I tried to order a skeleton online but the price was astronomical. I was told that I could get it much cheaper, the downside being that it would be missing two limbs. It really did cost me an arm and a leg.
So you bought at once and didn't make any bones about the price. YOu could have fought tooth and nail about the money or tried to jaw him down. Well, I'm just ribbing you about it.
".. so I don't agree with myself any more" And that is why I love the science youtubers the most: they update their views as they learn and aren't afraid to admit that they were wrong
This behavior only mirrors that of scientists in general. Science demands being able to say we were wrong, which makes it the most successful philosophy for finding knowledge in history.
@@ChemiCalChems said _"This behavior only mirrors that of scientists in general"_ I believe this was Job van der Zwan's point, only that we're commenting on a YT video, hence the specificity.
Journalism skills aside, I‘m really glad you‘re bringing an issue like this to the light. I knew a little bit about various organ harvesting scandals, but nothing on this level
Honestly it's a great book - really recommend it, you'd enjoy. The other chapter that I want to make into a video is about the blood farms in north India. That is gruesome horror movie stuff.
@Medlife Crisis Oh my freaking goddess. Will the proposed episode make me feel better or worse? The image that flashed in my mind could scarcely be worse, but it is mercifully blurry
I have a bone to pick with you about your exhaustive use of calcified puns. You have thoroughly picked them clean, and left me with only disjointed, fractured material, not worthy of a decent burial. The gristle and sinew if you will, with no meat or marrow.
Don't give up on investigative journalism, you are a genius with anything video. One of a handful of channels where I watch every video, start to end, undistracted.
I shared a flat with a medical student for three years and she had this amazingly detailed articulated skeleton in her room. We called him Twiggy and decorated him according to the seasons. Advent wreath and Christmas lights in winter, flower garlands and bunny ears headband for Easter - that was the only time I actually felt like decorating 😂
I like how everyone decides to name their skeletons for no reason. We had a full size display skeleton in our English classroom, and the teacher used to call him... Bob. Just Bob. Damn, I miss Bob...
A secretary where I used to work had a human skull on her desk. It wore her late father's police uniform cap. This was at Bell Labs. Most of the people who worked there tended to be a bit unusual. A lot of people were freaked out by it. I admired it then picked it up, turned it over, and peered into the foramen magnum to see if it was real. It wasn't. Truth be told, I was a little disappointed. It was a really good simulation, though. It felt like bone and had a nice heft to it.
@@williambplibs5239 I'm doing quite well. Thank you for asking. You guys really could have come up with a better name for foreign exchange trading. I'm old enough that, when I hear "forex," I automatically think of lambskin condoms. (Yes, I know it was spelled differently.)
I normally try to put a humerus joke here but $12 for a year of CuriosityStream and Nebula is honestly a great deal. Only a numbskull would miss out www.curiositystream.com/medlife
Completely unrelated to the fascinating and kind of horrifying subject of this video, I find it really interesting to hear how the way you speak changes in the recorded conversation compared with how you speak most of the time in your videos. I'm curious if you feel like one is your "real" dialect and the other one is something you have to "put on" or are they both "real"?
What do you think are the least number of body parts required for someone to live? Special technology is allowed. Arms and legs - Gone Top of skull - Gone Eyes - Gone Jaws - Gone Fruit and 2 veg - Gone Eggs and tubes - Gone Ribcage - Gone Appendix - Gone Kidneys - Gone - Dialysis Lungs and Heart - Gone - ECMO Stomach - Gone - IV Multivitamins in a hearty goo Spine and Spinal Cord - Possibly important. TBC pending Elon Musk Will heads in jars be possible like in Futurama? When?
Curiously enough, medschools in Germany actually have an abundance of donor corpses to the point they actually started charging donors for parts of the burial afterwards instead of covering all the cost as they used to.
I bought my anatomy set of real bones in the first year of medical school for about Rs 8000( £85 ). They are passed down from seniors to juniors with a slight increase in price every year. That guy was definitely trying to fool you !
I thought the same, however he did request a full articulated skeleton which is different from a full bone set.... Not 6 lakhs difference I don't think, but I don't know
My Dad was a GP and surgeon here in Australia and he had a disarticulated skeleton in a box at home. Some of my early memories are of playing with it with my brothers when we were kids back in the 1950s and 60s. My most enduring memory of it was my fascination with the web of thin bones inside the skull. Having a skeleton at home was a bit of an attraction for some of our friends after school. I have no idea what their parents thought about it. The box had a paper label inside the lid, which your pic at the 3:20 point reminded me about. We knew back then that it came from India. My Dad (born 1919) trained at Sydney University in the 1930s and 40s so I imagine the skeleton is from about that time.
I've just finished up my second year at manchester medical school and im pretty sure the skeletons we still use in the lab are the original Bengali ones, remember a tutor mentioning it last year
@@unclepodger i guess so, 2-3 million people (it might have been more than that considering freedom of press during that time) died so, they might have sell at least those which weren't given proper cremation.
@@unclepodger eh I wouldn't be surprised, it's much like the Brits to pull something like that. Probably coincidental though, like how the Brits started demanding more food from Ireland despite the great potato famine happening.
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Actually, there is a way to prove where they came from, or at least where they grew up, and that is to test the strontium levels in the bones, as they differs depending on where you grew up.
@Suman Kundu "beware of secularists" you say. Why should I be wary of people who care about truth and facts and are not afraid to go against religious dogma?
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 secularist is a regional lingo in india, the assumption here is that 'so called secular local government in west bengal is burying bodies covid 19 victims while oppsion party which is religious is raising a hue about it.
my local college has a real adult human skeleton in the art department. i asked why and the teacher said she found it in a skip when she was training at a university lol.
I absolutely love this channel. I have worked in the Cardiology Dept in Glasgow for 15 years and you are by far the funniest Cardiologist ever. I have also recommended your channel to my Cardiologist colleagues ❤️
Great work - I’ve a MA in history of medicine and have always wanted to do my PhD (eventually) on grave robbing/trade in human bones/bodies so I thoroughly enjoyed this
I just want to say the writing for this video is particularly good. You have a way with words and it was a pleasure to listen to, never mind the subject matter and educational value
0:25 What IS actually going on here? Empty beaker, a rather basic microscope, cheap VR headset, gaming laptop, everyone wears a stethoscope, only one wears a face mask and gloves, but no other PPE, and the crude molecule drawings on the flip chart in the background? And the well balanced diversity in the actors... "So let's all pretend we're doing some actual work here while being very including and sciency" and around comes the most cliché stock footage situation you could ever imagine.
Yeah the cheap VR headset was my favourite bit, the guy next to it also seems to be questioning all his life choices. I was going to put a joke it about that too but didn't want to get too distracted. Stock footage really is the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm a med-student, 5th year, my university maybe is lagging behind but in the cranial fossas there is no replacement for a real skull the synthetic ones were decent but not as useful as the human ones the university have stored since the 80s To clarify, my university is in Latvia and to the best of my knowledge, all carcasses are acquired withing the country
@Speaking Truth I've been only in contact with "fresh" cadavers 6 times during my year and a half of anatomy, Our final exam was 1 on 1 where the cadaver were mostly utilized for examination, we about 5 teachers in the room and people would queue to get to the dissection table (a sad fact but they were mostly elderly, alcoholics or IDU who no one cared for thus making the donation a more financially viable way of dealing with the body, I was lucky to have the chance of preparing one in our pathology department)
@Speaking Truth In anatomy, once a week aswell in the anatomical theatre, we mostly used models, bones, books(obviously), schemes, the new fangled 3d dissection table and human organs and limbs coated in some sort of embalming agent (felt rubbery almost, but the detail was outstanding and looked very fresh). Complete cadavers treated with formaldehyde on the other hand were a rare sight
My hometown (Kolkata) seems to have a rather interesting history in regards to medicine. It houses the oldest medical college in Asia, and now I learned that it was the centre of a bone trade. Ayy you visited the city during Durga Puja!
I am a 1st year student at calcutta national medical college!! non articulated bones set are only required in 1st year so the students pass it down from seniors to juniors every year price ranging from 10,000 INR to 19,000 INR. the same bone set is being used for many generations
Man now you're even going to exotic places to investigate something and then film yourself talking on site about what youve discovered?? You have literally become tom scott i dont know what to tell you.
@@israel963 With the amount of people Rohin has helped rescue on airplanes, it'd be funny if he added Scott Manley's "fly safe" to the end of his videos. 😄
When I studied medicine (in Denmark) in the first semester we were each loaned a small wooden box with a set of real human bones. They were from India, we were told, and quite old. They were also a bit small and often a bit brittle. But they were not purchased anymore and thus there were also many plastic skeleton sets.
I did my honours project at the medical school. Our lab was just across the way from the anatomy labs the med students had their practicals in. I would run into them leaving class in utter hysterics all the time. Intellectually, I know it was probably a defense mechanism, but it really made me reconsider my idea of donating my body to the medical school when I died.
LynxChan I can only hope I can bring joy woth my death 😉. Honestly, I'm good with sending myself off, if no other reason, my kids won't have to deal with those costs. Wake Forest Uni will cremate and ship when done, and that makes things easy.
There are so many details on a real skeleton! And so many bones and processes in the skull! This brings me right back to first year med school! Great video!
Great video, thanks Rohin! And by the way, I think you fared better as an untrained investigative journalist than I would as an untrained cardiologist, so don't be too tough on yourself :p Hope your wife is feeling better!
It's quite difficult to leave your body to medical science in the UK. I tried to do it with both my parents as per their wishes and the arrangements they'd made but there were a long list of dealbreakers that seemed to cover most of what a human would die of.
That seems odd. If you died of something strange, I'd have imagined that medical students would love to poke around in your bits when you've stopped using them.
@@jcortese3300 I think they're given to 1st year medical students who need to see what 'normal' human anatomy looks like. Neither of my parents died from anything exotic or unusual.
What a high quality video and amazingly informative. It's like I just watched a mini Panorama (with more puns)! Your channel really is going from strength to strength!
In Return of The Living Dead, someone jokes about a skeleton farm in India, less than a year later, the Us stopped getting skeletons from India. "How many people you know die with a perfect set of teeth?"
Lovely expository content on this, I hadn't heard much of what you talk about in the video and I do very well appreciate the recordings that provide insight; wonderful content :)
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Yes..It is completely obtainable here in India.. Being a graduate from one of the top medical colleges of Bengal I myself have studied from them.You can obtain it at low as 250 to 300 usd for bilateral set.They are generally passed on from seniors to juniors.Almost all colleges in India or atleast in bengal do study from them.Though I hardly doubt any foul play, these sets are generally exhumed from cemeteries, or harvested from unclaimed bodies which medical colleges tend to get plenty of.
Well, @@creshiell, in a developing country like india, with less than 1.3% of gdp spent on healthcare, having a highly sofisticated 3d printed skeletal set for all the 250 or odd students of an academic yr of a college which is among 7-8 prestined colleges in a city...and where most of the students, yet talented, but come from very poor background, maybe they are son of a farmer or a street vendor...yet irrespective of their status they study almost free of cost in these state institutes..there having artificial skeletal sets is out of questions.These real skeletons are the best shot you have got. And also the details, intricacies and variabilities of a real skeleton can be of no match for the artificial one. You may feel disgust...But if you learn more about the history of medical science,you will see it is far more cruel than than you have been thinking and yet medical science has profited from them and is saving lives. Creshiell, I know you may feel bad, but being a doctor you have to make hard choices, learn to capitalize on your emotions and see everything from the basis of risk-rewarded outcomes. I wouldn't have been too angry, if I were at your places, only if I could make sure that they are being used for a better cause and no bastard is absurdly profiting from them.. Yet you see...Patients treated by Indian doctors in US have lower death rates. medicaldialogues.in/patients-treated-by-indian-doctors-in-us-have-lower-death-rate-harvard-study
@@ramizahmed7456 all patients in America with minority doctors have better outcomes because for some reason white doctors hate poor, fat, and minority patients. I as a child would have died from a pneumonia if my mom hadn't been an RT and had just followed my pediatricians instructions to take me back home. Dunno why, it's just the way it is. Number two, the two choices aren't "don't dig up any graves" and "dig up every grave". The third choice is "ask first." I don't mind donating my mom's body but holy shit if I just show up and it's gone, EVERYONE, the yard keeper, his dog, the robbers, the medical students, everyone is catching hands.
This is really interesting, I always assumed the bones were donated especially after a biology class in highschool where we watched a documentary on medical school skeletons; I wonder why these practices were never mentioned.
Dissection at our medical school was approximately 4 hours at a time (less depending on your skill). So yea, you didn't eat a lot before lab because of the smell, so when you were done of course you were hungry, it was close to dinner time.
@@therabbithat usually less time, unless the lab techs/teacher wanted to use your cadaver as a demonstration for the rest of the class. cadaver dissection is sadly fairly useless when it comes to learning surgery as the preservative crosslinks all the tissues in the body.
Just curious, are healed fractures and other such issues something that disqualifies a skeleton from being used in med school? Or are they rather desirable features?
I'd imagine a healed fracture might be quite an interesting feature - but it's rare they're very obvious unless the bone healed in a significantly abnormal manner
Not sure about med school, but the anthropology department at the university I attended had several complete human skeletons in a wide array of conditions. I did a forensics course one semester, and every week we analyzed another group of bones of the same skeleton in small groups. (Each group was assigned a single skeleton.) At the end of the semester we presented to the rest of the class, making arguments for the deceased's sex, age, ancestral geographic origin, type of career (laborer or not), and if we felt it was applicable, cause of death. One group had an elderly male skeleton with severe arthritis and osteoporosis. My group had a middle aged female who had definitely experience a leg fracture in her younger years, and if I recall correctly, one of the carpals of her left hand was missing.
@@MedlifeCrisis does it depend on the bone broken? Some bones can't be properly cast because of various reasons and might not heal straight as a ruler (I once broke my collarbone,and i can feel it's slightly Nike logo shaped compared to the other) but I doubt it would be easy spotting the previous fracture in my fibia
Funnily enough, my University gives a skeleton set to groups of eight students when we study anatomy. We aren't allowed to remove the skeletons from University premises as they're actual human remains. Apparently having these old skeletons is cheaper than getting synthetic sets for students.
This is really interesting and you covered it with grave details... I used to think that colleges get the bones from the cadavers we dissect in anatomy and it’s passed down from seniors.....
I just studied art but we had a real human skeleton to study when we were doing anatomy, but my teacher said it was donated... Like it was a guy who put his body up for donation before he died. But here in Canada it's super easy to sign up, I'm signed up in fact. Like when you renew your health card they ask if you'd like to sign up to be a donor (either for organ donation or for medical research or both) I just said "yea use whatever you can for whatever you can, it's not like I'm gonna be using it once I'm dead!" And then you get asked again for clarification every time afterwards when you renew (it has your photo on it so you gotta get that shit updated every 5yrs). Like you can specify if you don't want certain body parts or tissues used, or for certain things, but ye. (Also btw the health card is what you need here to get our government paid healthcare. Also it's done on the provincial level so idk if all the shit I just said is only for Ontario or is a thing elsewhere too)
I was getting bored and yawning in the first part. But then you went undercover, and we saw you on the bus in India one the way to dig up some skeletons. "Yea, lets go Doc! Take me on a magic carpet ride!" You then gave us intrigue, drama, and no small amount of dry English humor. That's the way to turn a video around! :)
Wow! Your channel has had some great stuff - but I never expected proper investigative journalism! Makes me wonder why, if a random guy on his holidays with an iPhone can do this, the major newspapers can’t?
"any skeletons in his closet" and the MIB reference... Gosh Rohin, lmfao. #TheBest :D Edit: I'm sorry, I hadn't reached the Dhalsim part of the vid yet... LMFAO! ♥♥♥
I am a 2nd year medical student at AIIMS, New Delhi, India and the availability of Cadavers and Real bones here is astonishingly unlimited, but it's very much useful to us students.
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Viruses cannot move like what you think. Moving requires energy which they can't make, neither they have flagella or something like it. Actually viruses are kinda dead (inactive) unless they infect a cell (controversial). Bacteria can move at a speed of 2-200 micrometers per sec, i think you can now calculate how long they will take to move the length of your forearm!
@13:58 In the west, although not typically advertised the soul often seem to leave the body well before death, often shortly after middle school/junior high, sometimes remaining into early adulthood or in rare cases early thirties. Regardless of which, the harvesting of any deceased and especially non-deceased vessel will commonly highly frowned upon. But I try to feed my dog soul-less bones only, especially when i'm unsure of the vessels status..
I went through medical school using real human specimens to study anatomy, the university get them from morgues, they were unclaimed bodies, or people who willingly donated their bodies to science. And if you wanted to acquire human bones to study, you could contact senior students that already had them. A fully articulated skull was a very popular piece.
My anatomy tutor used to tell us at medical school it was the formaldehyde preservative that made you hungry in dissection rooms - and it was supposedly potent enough that it was an old fashioned treatment for anorexia (which didn't work). I never found any data to back it up, but I like the story enough that it's one of the only things I've retained from my 1st year anatomy classes!
"These are likely second hand skeletons" I'd imagine that most skeletons you see have already been used once
Mine hasn't been used before. I am it's first owner
No because you see am too lazy to use it for anything so it's mostly in mint condition
ahahaha
The molecules in your bones could have resided in someone else’s before
A more gruesome version of Hemingway's "six word tragedy": "Baby organs for transplant. Slightly used."
I tried to order a skeleton online but the price was astronomical.
I was told that I could get it much cheaper, the downside being that it would be missing two limbs.
It really did cost me an arm and a leg.
That was the greatest dad joke I have ever read. I just wanted you to know that.
Ba-dum tish! XD
Sean M What website?
So you bought at once and didn't make any bones about the price. YOu could have fought tooth and nail about the money or tried to jaw him down. Well, I'm just ribbing you about it.
🤣😂
".. so I don't agree with myself any more"
And that is why I love the science youtubers the most: they update their views as they learn and aren't afraid to admit that they were wrong
This behavior only mirrors that of scientists in general. Science demands being able to say we were wrong, which makes it the most successful philosophy for finding knowledge in history.
@@ChemiCalChems said _"This behavior only mirrors that of scientists in general"_
I believe this was Job van der Zwan's point, only that we're commenting on a YT video, hence the specificity.
Journalism skills aside, I‘m really glad you‘re bringing an issue like this to the light. I knew a little bit about various organ harvesting scandals, but nothing on this level
Honestly it's a great book - really recommend it, you'd enjoy. The other chapter that I want to make into a video is about the blood farms in north India. That is gruesome horror movie stuff.
@@MedlifeCrisis Jesus, that sounds horrifying
@@MedlifeCrisis Weren't you a bit nervous to knock on that door? You might have become a specimen yourself.
@Medlife Crisis
Oh my freaking goddess. Will the proposed episode make me feel better or worse? The image that flashed in my mind could scarcely be worse, but it is mercifully blurry
Oh hey it’s you
I have a bone to pick with you about your exhaustive use of calcified puns. You have thoroughly picked them clean, and left me with only disjointed, fractured material, not worthy of a decent burial. The gristle and sinew if you will, with no meat or marrow.
That was impressive!
This man/woman is a true skeleton
Don't give up on investigative journalism, you are a genius with anything video. One of a handful of channels where I watch every video, start to end, undistracted.
Indeed, this is quite good, though I believe he already has his hands full being a cardiologist.
I shared a flat with a medical student for three years and she had this amazingly detailed articulated skeleton in her room.
We called him Twiggy and decorated him according to the seasons.
Advent wreath and Christmas lights in winter, flower garlands and bunny ears headband for Easter - that was the only time I actually felt like decorating 😂
Kinda like this? twitter.com/MedCrisis/status/680125329126604800
@@MedlifeCrisis not nearly as elaborate 😂 though she did use him as a coat rack for her lab coat sometimes
@@paraboo8994 yup, my friends used to do that.
I like how everyone decides to name their skeletons for no reason. We had a full size display skeleton in our English classroom, and the teacher used to call him... Bob. Just Bob.
Damn, I miss Bob...
@@sasdagreat8052 my English teacher in grade school had a skeleton named Bobby and she claimed she killed him herself.
A secretary where I used to work had a human skull on her desk. It wore her late father's police uniform cap. This was at Bell Labs. Most of the people who worked there tended to be a bit unusual.
A lot of people were freaked out by it. I admired it then picked it up, turned it over, and peered into the foramen magnum to see if it was real. It wasn't. Truth be told, I was a little disappointed.
It was a really good simulation, though. It felt like bone and had a nice heft to it.
@@williambplibs5239 I'm doing quite well. Thank you for asking.
You guys really could have come up with a better name for foreign exchange trading. I'm old enough that, when I hear "forex," I automatically think of lambskin condoms. (Yes, I know it was spelled differently.)
2:38 "Corpses would never survive a trip to England" Sounds funnier than you probably intended
Oh, I'm certain he knew...
Maazin5 i don’t get it
@@ToriKo_ Hard to survive when you're already a corpse, eh?
Dead on arrival?
Bruh, I just saw this comment as soon as he said it
I normally try to put a humerus joke here but $12 for a year of CuriosityStream and Nebula is honestly a great deal. Only a numbskull would miss out www.curiositystream.com/medlife
Medlife Crisis I see what you’ve done there
You can’t fool us by appealing to our funny bone
Completely unrelated to the fascinating and kind of horrifying subject of this video, I find it really interesting to hear how the way you speak changes in the recorded conversation compared with how you speak most of the time in your videos. I'm curious if you feel like one is your "real" dialect and the other one is something you have to "put on" or are they both "real"?
LOL (laughter which is genuine - but will probably be deleted once the deluge of comments on this start rolling in)
What do you think are the least number of body parts required for someone to live? Special technology is allowed.
Arms and legs - Gone
Top of skull - Gone
Eyes - Gone
Jaws - Gone
Fruit and 2 veg - Gone
Eggs and tubes - Gone
Ribcage - Gone
Appendix - Gone
Kidneys - Gone - Dialysis
Lungs and Heart - Gone - ECMO
Stomach - Gone - IV Multivitamins in a hearty goo
Spine and Spinal Cord - Possibly important. TBC pending Elon Musk
Will heads in jars be possible like in Futurama? When?
Curiously enough, medschools in Germany actually have an abundance of donor corpses to the point they actually started charging donors for parts of the burial afterwards instead of covering all the cost as they used to.
Of course the Germans, being completely logical and slightly thrifty would have that issue.
That's one way to solve the problem.
These are the same people that used to charge people for train tickets to KZ Auschwitz, so no surprise there...
Then why isn't Germany the leading ethical exporter of human skeletons yet?
@@lekhakaananta5864 cause the bodies need to kept track of as it is guaranteed that at some point the families get to bury the ash
I bought my anatomy set of real bones in the first year of medical school for about Rs 8000( £85 ). They are passed down from seniors to juniors with a slight increase in price every year. That guy was definitely trying to fool you !
I thought the same, however he did request a full articulated skeleton which is different from a full bone set.... Not 6 lakhs difference I don't think, but I don't know
Yeah we do that too in our medical College! We gave about 13,000 rupees, much less than 6 lakhs
Divya Sharon Tom where in india?
@@existentialist1539 Kerala
7000 in our college
My Dad was a GP and surgeon here in Australia and he had a disarticulated skeleton in a box at home. Some of my early memories are of playing with it with my brothers when we were kids back in the 1950s and 60s. My most enduring memory of it was my fascination with the web of thin bones inside the skull. Having a skeleton at home was a bit of an attraction for some of our friends after school. I have no idea what their parents thought about it.
The box had a paper label inside the lid, which your pic at the 3:20 point reminded me about. We knew back then that it came from India. My Dad (born 1919) trained at Sydney University in the 1930s and 40s so I imagine the skeleton is from about that time.
its kinda disturbing to think that some bloke died in india just so some kids in australia can play with his empty skull lmao
@@JustScrapHD Ayy just make sure you take some shots out o’ me dome to keep the party going and I’m cool with it. I’m not using them anymore.
I've just finished up my second year at manchester medical school and im pretty sure the skeletons we still use in the lab are the original Bengali ones, remember a tutor mentioning it last year
Probs the Brits created the famine to garner more Bengali bodies for medical schools ;)
@@unclepodger i guess so, 2-3 million people (it might have been more than that considering freedom of press during that time) died so, they might have sell at least those which weren't given proper cremation.
@@unclepodger eh I wouldn't be surprised, it's much like the Brits to pull something like that.
Probably coincidental though, like how the Brits started demanding more food from Ireland despite the great potato famine happening.
Thanks for having me on Rohin. As always it's really interesting seeing you dig into my work.
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@@williambplibs5239 I'm the CEO of forex. Thank you.
Actually, there is a way to prove where they came from, or at least where they grew up, and that is to test the strontium levels in the bones, as they differs depending on where you grew up.
Judging by the numerous deaths in West Bengal due to COVID19 Young Brothers must be back in business.
we got 32000 to spare in the UK most are very old though, but cheap just ask Boris
@Suman Kundu "beware of secularists" you say. Why should I be wary of people who care about truth and facts and are not afraid to go against religious dogma?
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 secularist is a regional lingo in india, the assumption here is that 'so called secular local government in west bengal is burying bodies covid 19 victims while oppsion party which is religious is raising a hue about it.
@@balajisharma3448 crazy world
my local college has a real adult human skeleton in the art department. i asked why and the teacher said she found it in a skip when she was training at a university lol.
That is definitely her ex-husband
@@MedlifeCrisis she did a very good job of mounting and articulating it
@@jackalker6384 well she is an artist.
@@MedlifeCrisis Carole Baskin?
@@ql1couk Her husband's bones were eaten by the tigers, so no
I absolutely love this channel. I have worked in the Cardiology Dept in Glasgow for 15 years and you are by far the funniest Cardiologist ever. I have also recommended your channel to my Cardiologist colleagues ❤️
This would have been a perfect Caitlin Doughty colab!!!
...Bentham's head...
That what I thought !
Oh hell yes
... Bentham's head
Ohh man! You _already know_ I found this one fascinating! Great work man, this showed off some awesome journalistic skills.
I added some picture-swishing sound effects just because you do them!
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"Ethnically ambiguous face", puns, puns and more puns, alliteration , and sooo funny!
Born teacher, born to riff, born to Ted Talk!
Great work - I’ve a MA in history of medicine and have always wanted to do my PhD (eventually) on grave robbing/trade in human bones/bodies so I thoroughly enjoyed this
Only an Indian especially a Bengali would notice your t-shirt. The level of subtle details in your videos man. It's genius.
Bengali doctor here
I just want to say the writing for this video is particularly good. You have a way with words and it was a pleasure to listen to, never mind the subject matter and educational value
0:25 What IS actually going on here? Empty beaker, a rather basic microscope, cheap VR headset, gaming laptop, everyone wears a stethoscope, only one wears a face mask and gloves, but no other PPE, and the crude molecule drawings on the flip chart in the background? And the well balanced diversity in the actors... "So let's all pretend we're doing some actual work here while being very including and sciency" and around comes the most cliché stock footage situation you could ever imagine.
I love stock footage.
One day alien archaeologists will reconstruct our civilisation based on stock footage and it's going to be hilarious.
Best part to me is the random VR headset just sitting on the table.
Yeah the cheap VR headset was my favourite bit, the guy next to it also seems to be questioning all his life choices. I was going to put a joke it about that too but didn't want to get too distracted. Stock footage really is the gift that keeps on giving.
@@MedlifeCrisis hahaha
well, the title reminds me of vice, but im glad as hell the channel is still pure medlife crisis :)
That House MD Vicodin poster is just amazing!
I wonder if someone actually got Hugh Laurie to pose like that, or is it a photoshop of some sort?
I'm a med-student, 5th year, my university maybe is lagging behind but in the cranial fossas there is no replacement for a real skull the synthetic ones were decent but not as useful as the human ones the university have stored since the 80s
To clarify, my university is in Latvia and to the best of my knowledge, all carcasses are acquired withing the country
2th year here. It's pretty much same in Czech Republic.
I agree. The anatomy of the skull is just too complex for a synthetic skull to be up to par.
RSU?
@Speaking Truth I've been only in contact with "fresh" cadavers 6 times during my year and a half of anatomy, Our final exam was 1 on 1 where the cadaver were mostly utilized for examination, we about 5 teachers in the room and people would queue to get to the dissection table (a sad fact but they were mostly elderly, alcoholics or IDU who no one cared for thus making the donation a more financially viable way of dealing with the body, I was lucky to have the chance of preparing one in our pathology department)
@Speaking Truth In anatomy, once a week aswell in the anatomical theatre, we mostly used models, bones, books(obviously), schemes, the new fangled 3d dissection table and human organs and limbs coated in some sort of embalming agent (felt rubbery almost, but the detail was outstanding and looked very fresh). Complete cadavers treated with formaldehyde on the other hand were a rare sight
My hometown (Kolkata) seems to have a rather interesting history in regards to medicine. It houses the oldest medical college in Asia, and now I learned that it was the centre of a bone trade.
Ayy you visited the city during Durga Puja!
I'm there most years!
@Garret Phegley if you visit India don't stay anywhere except reputable hotels. You will live longer.
@@edwardelric717 not really
@Garret Phegley Stay either at the Grand Hotel or at ITC Royal Bengal or Taj Bengal. All other hotels are pretty dubious
Suvo mohaloya
This is my favourite video on RUclips. Thanks Rohin!
I am a 1st year student at calcutta national medical college!! non articulated bones set are only required in 1st year so the students pass it down from seniors to juniors every year price ranging from 10,000 INR to 19,000 INR. the same bone set is being used for many generations
Man now you're even going to exotic places to investigate something and then film yourself talking on site about what youve discovered??
You have literally become tom scott i dont know what to tell you.
ONE TAKE! ONE TAKE!!
MrBeastiemon IDK, if he said “Hullo!” he could definitely beat out Scott Manley 👌👍
@@israel963 With the amount of people Rohin has helped rescue on airplanes, it'd be funny if he added Scott Manley's "fly safe" to the end of his videos. 😄
When I studied medicine (in Denmark) in the first semester we were each loaned a small wooden box with a set of real human bones. They were from India, we were told, and quite old. They were also a bit small and often a bit brittle. But they were not purchased anymore and thus there were also many plastic skeleton sets.
I did my honours project at the medical school. Our lab was just across the way from the anatomy labs the med students had their practicals in. I would run into them leaving class in utter hysterics all the time. Intellectually, I know it was probably a defense mechanism, but it really made me reconsider my idea of donating my body to the medical school when I died.
LynxChan I can only hope I can bring joy woth my death 😉. Honestly, I'm good with sending myself off, if no other reason, my kids won't have to deal with those costs. Wake Forest Uni will cremate and ship when done, and that makes things easy.
True I was ok with all until I saw that
Then I’m mortified now
Although there is no use of me after my death but I’m scared 😅
Woah man, I'm really fucking impressed with this video!! I'm fascinated with thid topic but wasn't expecting a deep dive on location, well done sir!
There are so many details on a real skeleton! And so many bones and processes in the skull! This brings me right back to first year med school! Great video!
After you started speaking of Scott Carney's book I was waiting for the pun on "carne" = Latin for "flesh". Time to lift your game. 😅
True, missed opportunity!
Great video, thanks Rohin! And by the way, I think you fared better as an untrained investigative journalist than I would as an untrained cardiologist, so don't be too tough on yourself :p
Hope your wife is feeling better!
It's quite difficult to leave your body to medical science in the UK. I tried to do it with both my parents as per their wishes and the arrangements they'd made but there were a long list of dealbreakers that seemed to cover most of what a human would die of.
That seems odd. If you died of something strange, I'd have imagined that medical students would love to poke around in your bits when you've stopped using them.
@@jcortese3300 I think they're given to 1st year medical students who need to see what 'normal' human anatomy looks like. Neither of my parents died from anything exotic or unusual.
What a high quality video and amazingly informative. It's like I just watched a mini Panorama (with more puns)! Your channel really is going from strength to strength!
In Return of The Living Dead, someone jokes about a skeleton farm in India, less than a year later, the Us stopped getting skeletons from India. "How many people you know die with a perfect set of teeth?"
Lovely expository content on this, I hadn't heard much of what you talk about in the video and I do very well appreciate the recordings that provide insight; wonderful content :)
"What is this? Does your face have a pelvis?"
- Family Guy quote I vaguely remembered.
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Yes..It is completely obtainable here in India..
Being a graduate from one of the top medical colleges of Bengal I myself have studied from them.You can obtain it at low as 250 to 300 usd for bilateral set.They are generally passed on from seniors to juniors.Almost all colleges in India or atleast in bengal do study from them.Though I hardly doubt any foul play, these sets are generally exhumed from cemeteries, or harvested from unclaimed bodies which medical colleges tend to get plenty of.
Ramiz Ahmed foul play conceivably includes stealing them from graveyards.
Well just as Medlife himself said, They are dead either way..Atleast now they are dying for a nobler cause.😄
@@ramizahmed7456 if I try to visit my mom after she dies and her grave is dug up, everyone is catching hands
Well, @@creshiell, in a developing country like india, with less than 1.3% of gdp spent on healthcare, having a highly sofisticated 3d printed skeletal set for all the 250 or odd students of an academic yr of a college which is among 7-8 prestined colleges in a city...and where most of the students, yet talented, but come from very poor background, maybe they are son of a farmer or a street vendor...yet irrespective of their status they study almost free of cost in these state institutes..there having artificial skeletal sets is out of questions.These real skeletons are the best shot you have got. And also the details, intricacies and variabilities of a real skeleton can be of no match for the artificial one.
You may feel disgust...But if you learn more about the history of medical science,you will see it is far more cruel than than you have been thinking and yet medical science has profited from them and is saving lives.
Creshiell, I know you may feel bad, but being a doctor you have to make hard choices, learn to capitalize on your emotions and see everything from the basis of risk-rewarded outcomes.
I wouldn't have been too angry, if I were at your places, only if I could make sure that they are being used for a better cause and no bastard is absurdly profiting from them..
Yet you see...Patients treated by Indian doctors in US have lower death rates.
medicaldialogues.in/patients-treated-by-indian-doctors-in-us-have-lower-death-rate-harvard-study
@@ramizahmed7456 all patients in America with minority doctors have better outcomes because for some reason white doctors hate poor, fat, and minority patients. I as a child would have died from a pneumonia if my mom hadn't been an RT and had just followed my pediatricians instructions to take me back home. Dunno why, it's just the way it is.
Number two, the two choices aren't "don't dig up any graves" and "dig up every grave". The third choice is "ask first." I don't mind donating my mom's body but holy shit if I just show up and it's gone, EVERYONE, the yard keeper, his dog, the robbers, the medical students, everyone is catching hands.
This is really interesting, I always assumed the bones were donated especially after a biology class in highschool where we watched a documentary on medical school skeletons; I wonder why these practices were never mentioned.
"Any body for spare ribs?"
Not bad for a first time investigation. Feluda would be proud.👍
Dissection at our medical school was approximately 4 hours at a time (less depending on your skill). So yea, you didn't eat a lot before lab because of the smell, so when you were done of course you were hungry, it was close to dinner time.
Did skill make it take less time or more time?
@@therabbithat usually less time, unless the lab techs/teacher wanted to use your cadaver as a demonstration for the rest of the class. cadaver dissection is sadly fairly useless when it comes to learning surgery as the preservative crosslinks all the tissues in the body.
omfg watching more now, this is such a good video. good on you for having the courage to go through that and bringing this more to light
You and Caitlin Doughty of Ask a Mortician might need to do a collaboration. The Venn diagram-type overlap of style & content struck me.
Indeed
I bet some of them children’s skeletons are poor kids that’s been snatched and murdered, horrendous thought.
I think so too...😔😔
A church here in india killed older people and sold their bones
“Maybe they just starved to death,” she comforted them.
@@stillhere1425 mother Theresa
Just admit it already, this entire video was actually an elaborate setup for that joke at the end.
As a Bengali pre-health student, I find this so interesting! Keep it up, Dr. Francis 💝
i never realized that wasnt a full scale model...i thought it just was in the background
Wow doc. Certainly sends a shiver down the spine doesn't it?
The amount of skeleton-related puns in this video, is frankly impressive. I love the video!
It was humerus, but I just couldn't get most of them through my thick skull.
I bloody love this channel
Just curious, are healed fractures and other such issues something that disqualifies a skeleton from being used in med school? Or are they rather desirable features?
I'd imagine a healed fracture might be quite an interesting feature - but it's rare they're very obvious unless the bone healed in a significantly abnormal manner
Not sure about med school, but the anthropology department at the university I attended had several complete human skeletons in a wide array of conditions. I did a forensics course one semester, and every week we analyzed another group of bones of the same skeleton in small groups. (Each group was assigned a single skeleton.) At the end of the semester we presented to the rest of the class, making arguments for the deceased's sex, age, ancestral geographic origin, type of career (laborer or not), and if we felt it was applicable, cause of death. One group had an elderly male skeleton with severe arthritis and osteoporosis. My group had a middle aged female who had definitely experience a leg fracture in her younger years, and if I recall correctly, one of the carpals of her left hand was missing.
@@MedlifeCrisis does it depend on the bone broken? Some bones can't be properly cast because of various reasons and might not heal straight as a ruler (I once broke my collarbone,and i can feel it's slightly Nike logo shaped compared to the other) but I doubt it would be easy spotting the previous fracture in my fibia
@@MedlifeCrisis I've got ribs 2-7 on the left plated. I've fractured the plate on rib 7. Would make a great teaching specimen.
Fantastic topic! and a funny coincidence haha, was reading ‘The Red Market’ for the past couple of days and you posted this vid😮👌🏻
The idea of an articulate skeleton rather tickles my funny bone.
Yes... it has been through art school !!
ship of theseus is such a deep cut dude props to you my man
Funnily enough, my University gives a skeleton set to groups of eight students when we study anatomy. We aren't allowed to remove the skeletons from University premises as they're actual human remains. Apparently having these old skeletons is cheaper than getting synthetic sets for students.
Same. There were hanging articulated skeletons and then a big ass box o' bones. Like a lucky dip.
This is really interesting and you covered it with grave details... I used to think that colleges get the bones from the cadavers we dissect in anatomy and it’s passed down from seniors.....
I just studied art but we had a real human skeleton to study when we were doing anatomy, but my teacher said it was donated... Like it was a guy who put his body up for donation before he died.
But here in Canada it's super easy to sign up, I'm signed up in fact. Like when you renew your health card they ask if you'd like to sign up to be a donor (either for organ donation or for medical research or both) I just said "yea use whatever you can for whatever you can, it's not like I'm gonna be using it once I'm dead!" And then you get asked again for clarification every time afterwards when you renew (it has your photo on it so you gotta get that shit updated every 5yrs). Like you can specify if you don't want certain body parts or tissues used, or for certain things, but ye.
(Also btw the health card is what you need here to get our government paid healthcare. Also it's done on the provincial level so idk if all the shit I just said is only for Ontario or is a thing elsewhere too)
Can I say your editing skills are phenomenal
I was getting bored and yawning in the first part. But then you went undercover, and we saw you on the bus in India one the way to dig up some skeletons. "Yea, lets go Doc! Take me on a magic carpet ride!" You then gave us intrigue, drama, and no small amount of dry English humor. That's the way to turn a video around! :)
Whoa I didn't know you're from Kolkata.
Same here. The world is a small place
Love your videos
"Actually I don't agree with myself anymore" me five minutes after I do anything at all
This entire story is news to me, so thank you for bringing it to light for the many of us who just have never been made aware of this issue.
17:40 Is easily my favorite line from him ever.
I clicked on this expecting the usual, great quality Medlife Crisis video. I did NOT expect to be BLOWN AWAY by your best video, yet!!
Aye big up Richard Head
Wow! Your channel has had some great stuff - but I never expected proper investigative journalism! Makes me wonder why, if a random guy on his holidays with an iPhone can do this, the major newspapers can’t?
6,000 rupees? Not surprised at the price. I knew it would cost an arm and a leg.
I think u missed 2 zeroes
14:00 hahaha you absolutely *murdered* with the puns there
"any skeletons in his closet" and the MIB reference...
Gosh Rohin, lmfao. #TheBest :D
Edit: I'm sorry, I hadn't reached the Dhalsim part of the vid yet... LMFAO! ♥♥♥
Glad to hear from you. Hope you're doing ok.
3:17 my dad has one of them under his bed!!!
G Car I really hate to be the one to break this to you, but...
Jesus....I already love your videos....but I REALLY ADMIRED the word play in this video! ahahah good one! Keep up the awesome work!
"I guess I'm not just as hip"... Oh my oh my 😂😂😂
Love your videos mate.
What about skeleton of bone diseases? I think of, among others, the terrible diseases where mussels turns into bones?
I am a 2nd year medical student at AIIMS, New Delhi, India and the availability of Cadavers and Real bones here is astonishingly unlimited, but it's very much useful to us students.
"corpses would never survive a trip to england"
you don't say
Thanks for the top notch macabre journalism and sobering hilarity.
Being from Kolkata, this is hilarious. Because we had a Skeleton in my Biology lab in High school that was obviously real.
The puns make this video doubly worth it. Thanks bhai!
I've perviously craved sushi after a fish disection in biology
Thankyou for highlighting the defect in India.
Dear Dr. Frankie: How fast do viruses/bacteria move? For example - If someone comes in contact with covid-19 by the tip of their index finger, how long will it take to spread to say, their elbow? If this subject interests you/is interesting, please make a video for us on it. ♥ Thank you all for your work. ♥
Viruses cannot move like what you think. Moving requires energy which they can't make, neither they have flagella or something like it. Actually viruses are kinda dead (inactive) unless they infect a cell (controversial).
Bacteria can move at a speed of 2-200 micrometers per sec, i think you can now calculate how long they will take to move the length of your forearm!
Viruses will move wherever you put them
I never really thought of this before watching this documentary. This documentary is made so well.
15:22 Are those really human skulls? They look more like anthropometrically ambiguous Halloween decorations to me.
Frickin Hallowe'en props!
That's just what the plague does to patient's skulls.
Great video! Please do more about India 🧡
@13:58 In the west, although not typically advertised the soul often seem to leave the body well before death, often shortly after middle school/junior high, sometimes remaining into early adulthood or in rare cases early thirties. Regardless of which, the harvesting of any deceased and especially non-deceased vessel will commonly highly frowned upon. But I try to feed my dog soul-less bones only, especially when i'm unsure of the vessels status..
I went through medical school using real human specimens to study anatomy, the university get them from morgues, they were unclaimed bodies, or people who willingly donated their bodies to science. And if you wanted to acquire human bones to study, you could contact senior students that already had them. A fully articulated skull was a very popular piece.
I've a 5' 10" full human skeleton. Got it for free.
As of now, it has some flesh around it and is in working condition.
My anatomy tutor used to tell us at medical school it was the formaldehyde preservative that made you hungry in dissection rooms - and it was supposedly potent enough that it was an old fashioned treatment for anorexia (which didn't work). I never found any data to back it up, but I like the story enough that it's one of the only things I've retained from my 1st year anatomy classes!
Just noticed that he's wearing a Jagannath t-shirt lol
Your stirring history of "Dave" absolutely broke me. The look my husband gave me... Apparently he fears for my sanity.