RARE! Rockwell 690A Turbo Commander Take-Off - GREAT Garrett TPE331 Turboprop Sound!
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- RARE visitor in Bern: Rockwell 690A Turbo Commander - N690CL. The aircraft was built in 1974. Great sound of those Garrett TPE331 turboprop engines!
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I fly the straight 690A/B -5/-10’s models for AirAttack.
Unbelievable airplane.
Kick the pants off an equivalent powered King Air.
I love it still to this day after flying them for 7 years already..
What you see here on the wings are what's called the Javelin aux tanks. They add 100gal in total (50gal per side) to the 384gal already in the wings, increasing total capacity to 484gals. This makes this plane a great long range performer. Burning about 58gal/hr up high, it has an endurance off more than 8+hrs. At a speed of around 270-280kts (if it has -10 engines), this plane can go more than 2000nm direct. That's enough to cross the Atlantic from W Ireland to New Foundland direct.
The later Jetprop models (840, 900, 980, 1000) had that capacity inside the wing with no need for aux tanks. They have greater wingspan to fit the fuel.
When I first "went to school" on the Turbo Commander (December 1997), the instructors addressed the issue of these "slipper aux. tanks". They told the class because of the "extra drag", they added extra range "only at high altitudes" [mid- to upper 20's] and if you "slowed your cruise airspeeds by 20-30 knots."
I always loved flying the AC690, but standing on the ramp hearing one arrive sent chills up my spine with that noise!
I was in the back of the aircraft this day!
We were based in Bern for a couple of days doing survey flight's.
Very cool! It was a great pleasure to see this beautiful Turbo Commander at Bern. It was a very rare sight. Hope you come soon again :)
The Garrett Moan! Love it. Very loud in person. The TPE331 gave a performance advantage to the aircraft that could make best use of the residual thrust from the engine, mostly, the Mitsubishi MU-2, but all got a boost.
Thanks! I love it too especially the Garett sounds :)
I love watching Turbo-Commanders fly. It is one of my bucket-list planes to fly in along with the Dehaviland Mosquito.
It's worth noting that the engineers got the idea for the "Javelin Aux. / slipper wing tanks" from the similar setup used on the Dehavilland Mosquitoe "Mossie".
I flew Metro's with the TPE331-10 engines for a year. Great a/c, great performer. Same speeds as the Commander. No auto-pilot. All stick flying. Great fun...
My favorite plane. We had one and also flew in Hoover’s Shrike to pick up his P-51 in Reno, that had blown an engine. Great job!
My hs p/t job I worked for a very small fbo at sky acres in ny. A customer rescued a Commander out of the desert and we had the task of getting it airworthy again. The day I saw that bird fly home was the day that ignited my passion for aviation. I'll never forget that Commander.
My dad flew a 690 as his main aircraft for years
I flew with him many times. We flew from Venezuela to Miami a few times. Stopping in Dominican or Haiti for refueling.
My dads experience and excellent built aircraft
Always felt safe . Good old days...
Here in Australia the shrike was used as a geophysical survey aircraft by several companies back in the 90's and early 2000's. Until recently there was a decommissioned one sitting outside the hanger of one of the survey companies based here but I think it's gone now, i remember back in my early days in the industry the older guys would all say they are the best aircraft for the job, although now Cessna 208 grand caravans and Pacific Aerospace PAC750's are generally the aircraft that's used mostly.
Cool. I love twin turbos! Just wish it was filmed from the other direction coming towards the 📷!
Thanks for watching Jon!
Really nice catch, the Turbo Commander is one of the aircraft I always look forward to seeing in Nelson. Great sound as well!
***** Thank you. Turbo Commander are extremely rare here. I was very enthusiastic to catch this good old aircraft.
TheHDAviation look i have a new video of turbo commander
A really nice catch Matthias! Looks like he had a bit of a cross-wind on the take-off there, worked the rudder pedals hard! Just a superb machine!
Yep noticed that. Either that or the pilot had a double bass drum set up in the cockpit...
I haven't seen one of these for Years Matthias. Hard to believe it's 41 Years old !! Great catch....nice one...Cheers....Steve.~.
Back in the 80s in Firebaugh California, my boss Dick Telles of Telles Ranch had Turbo Commander living in the small town you could hear him land at night. I can still hear those turbo props when the pilots would put the plane in reverse trust to slow down the plane!
Thank you for sharing that nostalgic memory! The Turbo Commander is indeed a remarkable aircraft with its distinctive turbo prop engines. The ability to use reverse thrust to slow down the plane is quite impressive. It's amazing how certain sounds can bring back such vivid memories. Thank you for watching and reminiscing with us! 😊
Yes I Also got to see another turbo commander at the Reno Air Race around that same time. It was piloted by Bob Hoover, yes the Air Commander its very impressive doing loops and rolls and even did a landing with both engines off!
Tango India Tango Sierra Airplane...what a class design, it will never age. Simply Sensational !
Thanks
It gives me the Chills
Thank you for your comment! The Rockwell 690 Turbo Commander is indeed a unique and powerful aircraft. 😊
Excellent camera work and sound, cool to see the control check at 1:00! Liked:)
***** Thank you very much!
You got a lot of the small planes in your videos. That is so Nice!! I needed to Search thousand times to find a channel like This!!! So great!!!
Thank you for your kind comment! Much appreciated!!
You're welcome.
Wonderful aircraft!
Looked like some crosswinds there
Nope. Look at the sock early in the video...
Friend of our family had one of these. He was very successful in the lumber and home construction industry. He went bust in 2008 and had to sell the plane. Some shady looking characters bought the plane, no financing. We later heard it ended up in AZ and the entire interior was gutted, and all the avionics were all upgraded. It's last known flight plan was south.....
i love this plane sooo much
Thanks for watching! :)
I rode in the back of one of these! Great bird.
Sounds great!
The only prop aircraft which was certified to carry the american president! Great catch though!
King air?
Incorrect. The original Aero Commander 520 *piston* twin was the first *civilian* aircraft approved for presidential use. The Turbo Commander turboprop was a Rockwell product, and came many years later.
Music to My ears
That's a strange looking plane, haven't seen it in real yet. Great footage, well done Matthias! :D
wow! Rare indeed and you got a very good video of it. Love it:)
Wow, all over the place on takeoff, but having flown in one of these before it seems common in this type.
black zebra - I guess the guy flying me wasn’t too expert either because I remember it wandering down the runway
Never seen one with aux tanks, cool catch
Thank you!
I flew a 690A with "stock" -5 engines for almost 3 years (550 hours in type). Want me to tell you several things the pilot did wrong? (or can you spot them?)
I noticed what I think was over controlling the rudder, but I would like to know what he needed to improve on. I am not a pilot but I am a skydiver.
@@hubriswonk , not really - the Turbo Commanders' nosewheel steering is controlled through the first few degrees of "brake pedal movement" on each rudder pedal. In the takeoff roll as you transition from "nosewheel steering" to full rudder authority, it's normal to see a lot of rudder movements. What I was asking in my first question above was referring to doing a "power check on both engines" prior to break release WITHOUT the nosewheel centered - this puts tremendous "sideloads" on the nosewheel tire, rim, and nosegear assembly - the weakest link in the aircraft's landing gear. I also think he "over-controlled" with the rudder about 5 seconds prior to rotation, but not knowing the winds at the time, that could have been a reaction to a sudden gust of crosswind.
super cool vide , nice catch , very decent Turbo Commander :)
Looks like it has some competition with the Britten Norman Islander
Great video!!
Nice catch :)
Looks like a no flap take off.
Ted Smith designed great flying planes . All the Commanders were good.
And Aerostars!
Great video, liked!
its so cute!!
Thanks
Very similar to the sound of the Dash 8-100/200/300 ATR 42-300/320 72-200/201/202/210/212 Xian MA60.....
I have never seen another 690 with the leading edge fuel tanks. This must be an aftermarket item.
Thanks for pointing out! It was an extremely rare visit!
Very nice shimmer!
I was a linemen. garrett engines were the only one's my ear's feared.
Hey was it my eye's or did he just take off without Flaps ? it seemed like an awfully long roll out didn't it ?
I think you are right
Or maybe not ruclips.net/video/uCdDp7AVibg/видео.html
Her is a landing with flaps ruclips.net/video/CaavclyKgFE/видео.html
Old Post...but Commander 690s do not use flaps on takeoff. I fly one here in the US. There is no aerodynamic benefit to takeoff flaps so they designed it to not use them for takeoff.
@@davidwright2867 So flaps add drag, but no lift? Or, flaps add lift and drag, but don't shorten the T/O roll, or reduce T/O speed? Aerodynamically, I'm struggling to understand that design.
Looks like it's fully loaded.
La panza de este avión casi roza el suelo, creo que nunca podría aterrizar en pistas de grava o sin pavimento.
Love the sound takeoff was a joke...Don't think he had enough speed yet...
I feel this airplane would have been even better, if they used Pratt and Whitney.
MUSIC TO MY EARS
It is so wonderful. Thanks for watching.
Such a nervous takeoff.
Okay 😉✈️ Thank you for watching!
Fantastic... ;-)
Jorge Hoffmann Thanks!
Are these very good? Are they economical? Cost per hour?
I'm glad that I'm not flying with THAT mope!!
Turbo prop Commander
Great video. To me it looked like that pilot used zero degrees of flaps for take off. Now I've never flown a commander but I do have over 20k of flight time in all sorts of aircraft. So just wondering if it's a commander thing or what. If he had like ten thousand feet of runway that would make a difference as well, but it didn't look as if he did.
Any clarification?
Standard take off configuration is no flaps. At max gross you'll be airborne a little over 3,000 feet.
10 degrees of Flaps probably would have helped! Did you see him rotate abruptly and then settle back down? He lowered the nose and again it wanted to settle back toward mother earth. Probably rotated too soon given the upcoming treeline in view, and Bern density altitude. The hill looks close, although the telephoto lens on the camera no doubt distorts the relative distance.
Also, that planes fuelage sits extremely close to the ground surface
RARE ! what was rare ?
He seemed to be in somewhat of a hurry, quick taxi and takeoff
But why she takes off without flaps?
Let me begin with pilot technique, very sloppy in the take-off roll, he needs to get some Twin Commander simulator time at best. The slipper tanks are made by Javelin and were an STC, but no longer available, they increase fuel from 389 gallons to 474 for the 690B, but considering drag and weight consideration, not really worth the effort. RVSM will get you to FL310 in the 980 with the Dash 10's at 300 knots, but you want the improved 6.2 pressurization. Range numbers for the 980 are 1550 NM..474 gallons of Jet-A..
The twin commander range are renowned for the difficulty in ground control below 40 knots, the rudder is not connected to the nose wheel, you steer using the top portion of the peddles which operates the hydraulic movement of the nose wheel until around 40 knots where you have sufficient airflow for positive rudder control, difficult to master, sim time will not help even if you could find a sim, which is a very big if, as sims were not programmed for realistic ground movement. They are a great aircraft though! especially when the steering method is mastered, comes with real time practice.
Stephen, you are a fuckwit
In my opinon Wayne Elliot is correct.
Having been a mechanic for many years, flown and also written lots of STCs for the Aero Commander series 500B, 500S, 680 and 690 I must say ground handling at slow speeds is a knack and takes time to learn. I takes anticipation as well as finesse on rudder toe controls. That is for a plane with everything tight on the nose gear. These planes are getting old and parts are difficult to get. The hydraulic cylinder attached to the nose gear is actually attached to a slip collar called the "steering collar". It rides in a precise groove around the nose gear casting. This in turn has the scissor links attached to it which then go down to turn the nose wheel yoke when the cylinder applies pressure in either direction. This simply means there are a lot of places for slop to rear it's ugly head and make the ground handling even worse.
I do not think any two Aero or Turbo Commanders handle exactly alike. I could go into this deeper but i'm getting tired of running my fingers.
Awful lot of rudder input on that T.O. roll. Didn't seem like much of a crosswind. Are those planes that 'squirrely' on the ground?
It has two propellers and in the tube behind the propeller inside the tube are the two turbines where you where I’m circling with my mouse corssir.
omg zero flaps take off
cheating death,....one day at a time
♬♩... nice sound!
mmbmbmbmb True! I love too. I was very enthusiastic about this rare visitor at Bern.
*****
You are a master in catching rarities. This one definitely found a spot in my playlist of "trains, planes, ships & church-bells" ... like so many others of your fabulous 'offerings', Matthias!
Great weekend!
Karin
I have been in one in Venezuela.
WOW I hope you enjoyed it.
***** Yeah, it was pretty neat.
Flaps?
Rare ? It happened only once, of course it is rare.
I have never seen one here in Scotland. How was the holiday in Ireland Matthias?
***** N690CL is based at Newcastle at the moment doing some flights to Scotland :) Thank you, it was very nice! Hope you will have a great stay too!
***** I have not been to our local airport for some time now, it looks like the size of aircraft that would service the islands.
Looked like a student pilot taking off...heavy rudder use while on runway.
Cross wind conditions and the propellors are not contra rotating, obvious!
Ineke Mateman Counter-rotating, the props aren't on the same axis.
Nice.''''''
Trevor Ledgeway Thank you!
Great fun but horribly noisy. That engine ruined my ears despite being as careful as humanly possible
Basically a direct competitor to a Britten Norman Islander BN2T/DEF4000
Is a Turboprop!!!
Yup a Turbo Commander.
Min Vater hät de Turbocommander g'floge.... während Jahre. Ich bin so'z'säge i dem Flüger uufgwachse.
Rips. 24 seconds to lift off
😮
Lol its not rare if seen plenty of those loud ones
masso172 Cool. Would have loved to see more of those. It is extremely rare though in Bern.
***** I guess your right, I worked in Texas and we would get these all the time.. I personally love their sound its loud and has sort of a humm, I love it. They're also called island hoppers :)
That thing struggled to get airborne!
Airport?
Uhm
A driver..not a pilot. No finesse. Like the clogger the stomped the rudder off that airliner in New York. Should be driving a clutched D8 CAT.
Actually where i have worked being called a driver is a compliment. Mind you our idea of a windy day is when the steady state is 40 kts
Bad take off , heavy load .
The TPE331 is actually made by Honeywell but ok
Garrett, the original makers of the 331, merged with Signal, who then merged with Allied to form AlliedSignal.
Then, AlliedSignal merged with the old Honeywell company, before renaming ITSELF as Honeywell.
As a consequence, what was originally a Garrett creation is now a "Honeywell" product.
What about the 8 or 9 something! They were the best of commanders? Right
840 .....960 something like that. Not enough sholder room?
Eww! Slipper tanks!
The sound is creepy
Garrett TPE331 :)
Rare? There are dozens of these where i live
Thanks for watching. They are very rare here.
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I hope you enjoyed the video.
Pilot's technique seemed a bit odd.
Very nice acft.
MU2.....MANS AIRPLANE
That was a terrible take off and lifted off the ground way to soon. Had an engine died then it would have been all over.
you're an idiot
Watch again. He rotated and immediately pushed the nose down to stay in ground effect gaining speed. Very common procedure
que mulher chata velho
Je suis pilote et j aime pas du tout cette aéronefs
shaky takeoff.
WOW!
That was about the worst takeover technique I'VE EVER SEEN!
Rudder swinging all over the place!
Mu2s eat Kingairs. Biggest Badest ...long range ...short field....real one piece thick lady step door. Whay woman likes to climb down a kingair swinging bridge compared to a one higheel step. But you must understand how the rudder works and most KA drivers think their for steering on the ground or
Resting their feet. Tri sick el babies. GODSPEED BOB HOOVER.