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The biggest reason why is because they lack location based precision, like movement wise how much they are peeking, how wide they snap etc. Awesome video!
i agree with f0rest, something about those low clips didn't feel right for some reason. I really don't know exactly what is was but I know what he was talking about.
you dont even have to be good or play much to see that they arn't pros. Like just say you have spectated 20+ cs tournaments. Then you watch these clips, it just looks different and you know they are not pros even though they are doing nutty shit
It's the enemies that don't feel right , i mean lets's pe honest the guy on cache should have been killed like 10 times by a good player in second and last kill
Sluggish movement, delayed reactions, not optimal decisions on what to do, crosshair placement is slow and not very accurate, and the biggest giveaway are the enemies. On all the Low clips the enemies were completely uncoordinated mess, not doing anything together, making stupid moves, and being slow as well. Just look at the first guy, he has reaction time that is like double of a professional player, takes a lot of time to shoot once he knows an enemy is somewhere.
hey dude, about the profile picture you are using, I'm the one who drew it and its pretty obvious that you stole it. I don't really mind but could you please tell me why you chose exactly that? (my steam: steamcommunity.com/id/JudgingPeople/)
This really shows you that even if you do get some highlight frags, there is a huge difference in the way you move, have awareness, understanding of timings etc. between a pro or regular players
The movement of the mouse is just not as clean with the "low" clips. The pros minimise their unnecessary mouse movements so they can have the best chance of hitting the shot. Some of the "low" shots were good, the mouse movement was just not there.
Especially that spastic kid on Mirage, flicking around for easy static targets in front of him. He probably routinely gets single digit kill games, but then it just looks impressive when it works.
0:50 "Nice, I'm good at something!" While being argued as the best 1.6 player of all time against NEO and the GOAT at CS because of his still impressive skills at 31 while all the other 1.6 legends around him have fallen.
I get what f0rest means, you can definitely tell if they're pro or not. That first inferno clip I could instantly tell from how long he looked at the floor when he picked up the deagle, and the rest you can definitely just tell by how they aim and move that they're comfortable with their setup and they've played for ages.
Skins/knives can be a big problem here. Most pros have expensive skins and cool knives. Although that can also be used to throw the player off, for example some pros use default knives and some lows have dragon lores and shit. Most of them don't though.
His observation here was pretty solid said something along the lines of it being suspect because they guy didn’t whip out the knife to get in position when he SHOULDA known he was safe to do so. As a noob myself I never woulda noticed that.
usually in pro games if you just stand there and keep shooting you either gonna get one tapped or atleast flashed out of position, thats why pros usually reposition after a frag
This is the only vid you guys have done where i've got a 100% correct answers. Cool asf concept. I agree with f0rest though, the low clips something just looks off, like it isn't as smooth as it should be. Almost like you can see the player second guess themselves rather then be sure in there next move.
People don't seem to realize this, but movement is the key factor in determining whether someone is good or not; it's my main focus during Overwatch cases when I can't tell if the player is legit cheater/closet hacking or just a good player. There have been many times that I'd report someone on my team because their movement is clunky and they look like they barely know their way around a keyboard and the map they're on, yet they have insane aim and weirdly accurate gamesense (and those people usually end up getting game bans or VAC bans later on). It's something people fail to realize, even if they aren't good at Kz/bhopping, movement can be as simple as where they position themselves, how they react to a push, or even simpler, like how they pick up weapons and how they run/walk around the map. f0rest is 100% right on how to determine whether someone has put thousands of hours into the game and whether someone is only playing matchmaking and doesn't invest their time into learning every single aspect of the game.
Tbh it was fairly easy, you guys could pick better clips of maybe higher mm ranks (lem+) and mix them with pro highlights,maybe give a shout-out the the players and specify ranks.Other than that, good job!
I think the "odd" thing that just doesn't "feel right" about the low clips is the fact that the enemy team doesn't behave like professional players, which makes the shots seem unimpressive. If someone gets one kill on a guy that shoulder peeked and flashed etc. it's more impressive than mowing down a bunch of dipshits that wide peeked you and took 1 second+ to fire
movement is the key, crosshair placement and how you choose your angles … 5/6 for me as well.. made sure to make the call within few seconds every time to not get influenced by his call… i guess it comes from 1.5 and 1.6 and you look at same stuff … one thing i have to say… im not fast enough anymore to compete at that level as they are now… game sense is ok, crosshair placement and moving is fine (ish) but aiming and reflexes are not even close to be at needed level anymore… this getting old shit .. tho lack of gaming in past 10 years has made its toll mostly.
The first one is eazy because the enemy plays total bs, after the hs on long, no pro enemy would look into second mid, just right after that, would make no sense at all. Other are more difficult(except cache), probs to forest, very good judgement
Can i send u a clip where i made 4k with awp ventroom 3 noscopes. Just check it if u like then put it on next episode(hellraisers liked that post btw its a sick one)
It would be funny if you put in a clip from the one you are asking the questions as well and see if they recognize, it must not be a popular clip to give it away tho.
The last one seemed kinda obviously pro to me because of the skins that they had and were dropping but i guess on that tablet screen it would be near impossible to see.
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betway esports please bring dev1ce
how i can send some clips in your videos?
@@brianfury2637 The awp Low was also easy cuz what Pro awper has a Friberg sticker on his awp
It would have been funny if you showed him one of his own clips and he said it's a low.
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Problem is f0rest has the best movement in the game, that alone would give away its a pro.
MentalJack no he doesn't
he does, he might not be as good as he once was but he is one of the most talented players of all time and his movement is very good
Crispy Boy ^was
The biggest reason why is because they lack location based precision, like movement wise how much they are peeking, how wide they snap etc. Awesome video!
BananaGaming wow a bananagamings comment that has 2 likes.
U do have a point!
Pro's every movement looks tight and efficient. Those low clips feels like smurfs or something in that direction.
Ur not pro. Reminder
just watch the enemies instead, almost always tells ist.
How do you come up with these ideas? :p Good video!
For every 1 good idea, there are 10 bad ideas.
I knewed all the pro clips becuase i 24/7 watch pros play so it was ez 6/6
Cr8zie watch some English tutorials also if possible
this isn't really a new idea there are plenty of other videos out there of the same concept, this is just the first one (that I've seen) in cs:go
Yes, that’s what I’m talking about
i agree with f0rest, something about those low clips didn't feel right for some reason. I really don't know exactly what is was but I know what he was talking about.
you dont even have to be good or play much to see that they arn't pros. Like just say you have spectated 20+ cs tournaments. Then you watch these clips, it just looks different and you know they are not pros even though they are doing nutty shit
It's the enemies that don't feel right , i mean lets's pe honest the guy on cache should have been killed like 10 times by a good player in second and last kill
yep thats what i thought aswell its not only the guy whos fragging but also how the enemies are behaving that gives it away.
The low players peek really wide and don't care about being able to be seen from a different angle.
Yeah that too, but for me at least I could tell which one was pro because these clips were on betway few times already lol
The last one was k0nfig.
AHHAHAH yes, and I like that he said low :P
he is the only one using that m4 skin
fax
Konfig in North vs G2 old roster...
And this frag was also used in his episode on this channel :D
'Im good at something' xD
I don't get him, he is a fkn professional csgo player
Mago it was joke.
he love to roast himself and his team XD
Thinking the same way...there is just something in theis "low" clips that shows that they arent pro...
Sluggish movement, delayed reactions, not optimal decisions on what to do, crosshair placement is slow and not very accurate, and the biggest giveaway are the enemies. On all the Low clips the enemies were completely uncoordinated mess, not doing anything together, making stupid moves, and being slow as well. Just look at the first guy, he has reaction time that is like double of a professional player, takes a lot of time to shoot once he knows an enemy is somewhere.
hey dude, about the profile picture you are using, I'm the one who drew it and its pretty obvious that you stole it. I don't really mind but could you please tell me why you chose exactly that? (my steam: steamcommunity.com/id/JudgingPeople/)
its a beautiful picture by patrick, i would use it too
i think the way the enemies play, help us to figure it out !
Not having a knife gives it away
Thanks for putting my clip in the video! (The first clip)
But I don't agree with f0rest, I'm obviously a pro.
This really shows you that even if you do get some highlight frags, there is a huge difference in the way you move, have awareness, understanding of timings etc. between a pro or regular players
The movement of the mouse is just not as clean with the "low" clips. The pros minimise their unnecessary mouse movements so they can have the best chance of hitting the shot. Some of the "low" shots were good, the mouse movement was just not there.
Especially that spastic kid on Mirage, flicking around for easy static targets in front of him. He probably routinely gets single digit kill games, but then it just looks impressive when it works.
@@Frawt ohhhh someone is jealous
@@Metafux no,he's just telling the truth
i love you, mr. forest.
I didn't beat forest but I got beat by my dad
what the bloodiest fuck
same thing
It's too easy. Asides from player movement, the enemy movement gives it away
0:50
"Nice, I'm good at something!"
While being argued as the best 1.6 player of all time against NEO and the GOAT at CS because of his still impressive skills at 31 while all the other 1.6 legends around him have fallen.
First one was obvious because the fact that the guy bought a deagle
Were the low clips of Rob4 ????
I thought the train clip was flamie because I’m pretty sure he’s had a similar moment in that position? Or was it on Nuke? I can’t remember loll
5th one was really hard. Almost thought he was a pro. But I couldn't tell really. Forrest explains it really well
f0rest is a legend.
He was my idol in 1.6 days.
I really enjoy watching these videos keep up with the amazing ideas betway!
Aren't 2 of the "low" clips from Ahrora or LongBarrel ? Can't remember from whom exactly but i'm certain I've seen those before.
I get what f0rest means, you can definitely tell if they're pro or not. That first inferno clip I could instantly tell from how long he looked at the floor when he picked up the deagle, and the rest you can definitely just tell by how they aim and move that they're comfortable with their setup and they've played for ages.
Great title for the series, before watching the video I could immediately tell what it was about.
I instantly recognized all of the pro clips. Couldn't remember who they were, but I remember watching them live.
The first clip gave it to me by him looking at the deagle and pressing e instead of throwing your gun and walk over the deagle
Wait that was KennyS cus I'm the clip GuardiaN goes for the awp Kill like 3 times b4 knife
Yeah that wasnt it
u can tell by the movement or the player and the decisions of the enemies, like the way they peek one by one or push you for no reason
the clip of the low in mirage was given away to me by the fact that he had what looked like a souvenir awp with a friberg sticker
This is nice, would love this to become a series!
Damn I've never seen Guardian vs. KennyS clip on KennyS POV. It seems pretty different that I've seen it from Guardian's POV tens of times.
3:10 you gave away with knife. Which pro plays with default knife??
What music is this?
more of these plsss one of the bests interview
f0rest struggling to explain to mere mortals because he has transcended, he knows the way
from the title i thought it's an analysis of f0rest's play style if it is good or bad lol
the last clip i dont know why forest didnt look at the gun. it has konfigs name on it
4:00 its because these low clips are 32 tick from 64tick mm
Thanks Mr. Betway, how do we submit clips??
to @betwayesports on twitter
Wasn't the last clip Xist or something?
Skins/knives can be a big problem here. Most pros have expensive skins and cool knives. Although that can also be used to throw the player off, for example some pros use default knives and some lows have dragon lores and shit. Most of them don't though.
last was k0nfig vs ENvy (or g2)
EnVy I think, all I know is that happy was calling the push, so I guess EnVy
Knew it cause I remember it, thx for clarifying, though that should be a part of the series. 6/6 for me hehe
zankyou no terror lol
I got all of them correct except the GuardiaN kennyS thing and the awp master in cache.
His observation here was pretty solid said something along the lines of it being suspect because they guy didn’t whip out the knife to get in position when he SHOULDA known he was safe to do so. As a noob myself I never woulda noticed that.
usually in pro games if you just stand there and keep shooting you either gonna get one tapped or atleast flashed out of position, thats why pros usually reposition after a frag
This is the only vid you guys have done where i've got a 100% correct answers. Cool asf concept. I agree with f0rest though, the low clips something just looks off, like it isn't as smooth as it should be. Almost like you can see the player second guess themselves rather then be sure in there next move.
the one on mirage with the awp boom reminds me of faze hoppins clip
5/6 same answers as him, there was no way he woulda said pro to that last clip. Anyone know who the players was in that clip ?
Edit: konfig. nvm
Which pro was the last clip?
Great video. More of these please
So who was the player in the final clip? You never revealed it :(
k0nfig - we'll make sure to reveal it next time.
People don't seem to realize this, but movement is the key factor in determining whether someone is good or not; it's my main focus during Overwatch cases when I can't tell if the player is legit cheater/closet hacking or just a good player. There have been many times that I'd report someone on my team because their movement is clunky and they look like they barely know their way around a keyboard and the map they're on, yet they have insane aim and weirdly accurate gamesense (and those people usually end up getting game bans or VAC bans later on). It's something people fail to realize, even if they aren't good at Kz/bhopping, movement can be as simple as where they position themselves, how they react to a push, or even simpler, like how they pick up weapons and how they run/walk around the map. f0rest is 100% right on how to determine whether someone has put thousands of hours into the game and whether someone is only playing matchmaking and doesn't invest their time into learning every single aspect of the game.
The expensive skins in the last clip is what gave it away for me.
We want more of this series pleasee
Maybe link the videos that aren't from pros??
I finally got a 6/6. Maybe because these clips are easier than the clips they use in the more recent pro or low videos though
K0nfig on the last ? Should overlay or mention the pros names for it.
I got the same feeling as f0rest. I can't explain but I kinda can feel if it is a pro or a low.
Last frag is karrigan if i am not mistaken.... or Olof?
K0nfig vs EnvyUs
/watch?v=AjpKAiu-5B0
Tbh it was fairly easy, you guys could pick better clips of maybe higher mm ranks (lem+) and mix them with pro highlights,maybe give a shout-out the the players and specify ranks.Other than that, good job!
Cheers Solomon! Rob's going to remember the name of the community members next time and we may add graphics to indicate who the player was.
I wish we had names cuz i think everyone wants to know if they were in this
Fun fact ignore MM and use lvl 10 faceit players instead.
Can we get more of these
Last one was friberg or which one was the last?
K0nfig
yea that clip was guardina vs kennys from 2015
I think the "odd" thing that just doesn't "feel right" about the low clips is the fact that the enemy team doesn't behave like professional players, which makes the shots seem unimpressive. If someone gets one kill on a guy that shoulder peeked and flashed etc. it's more impressive than mowing down a bunch of dipshits that wide peeked you and took 1 second+ to fire
One of the reasons is the opponents skill level and positioning that gives away
Keep doing these. I like them
Its weird that the resolution is in 16:9 to me...
I got a 6/6 because i dont know the movement and spray control and position etc gives it away
this show could be called "pro or really good but not pro"
i really enjoyed this format. maybe you should show the name of the pro if it was a pro-clip.
great work!
You should get some videos from D0cC for this game :DD i mean, we all know hes pretty good and i'm curious what pros will think :D
I got all the pros right but only because I recognized the kills, i couldn't tell the lows were lows.
The fifth one the thing that gives it away especially is how his awp is not primed to take another shot and he is full peaking the corner
movement is the key, crosshair placement and how you choose your angles … 5/6 for me as well.. made sure to make the call within few seconds every time to not get influenced by his call… i guess it comes from 1.5 and 1.6 and you look at same stuff … one thing i have to say… im not fast enough anymore to compete at that level as they are now… game sense is ok, crosshair placement and moving is fine (ish) but aiming and reflexes are not even close to be at needed level anymore… this getting old shit .. tho lack of gaming in past 10 years has made its toll mostly.
0:50 im good at something then continue playing as a proffesional esport player lmao
I knew The one on inferno when he ran out of AK ammo I instantly said outloud “oh, that’s KennyS” 😂
clips being from old versions of maps is kinda a giveaway. I mean would you really get a clip from some old ass mm game?
Man f0rest looks so friendly
The first one is eazy because the enemy plays total bs, after the hs on long, no pro enemy would look into second mid, just right after that, would make no sense at all. Other are more difficult(except cache), probs to forest, very good judgement
We all have seen the second clip right? I mean I’ve seen it before and remember it being a pro at least
Wasn't last Karrigan?
6/6 the end had me worried tho lol
anyway i think its cool how pro players are noticeably different than other players
Can i send u a clip where i made 4k with awp ventroom 3 noscopes. Just check it if u like then put it on next episode(hellraisers liked that post btw its a sick one)
One time, I made a 1v5 clutch with the AWP, I made 2 no scopes, 2 quick scope and 1 normal kill, the defused the bomb, I was so happy :D
Lord Osirion and I did a 1v5 clutch but that one on cache wad my fav one
I got a 1v6 once.
SuperExcelGaming Impressive, once I won a 5vs1...
Once i clutched 1v9 ( 5 opponents and 4 russians in my team)
So an easier whose frag is that?
What do i need to write to get a heart from betway and likes ? 🤔
Perfect example of analyzing the gameplay i'm so impressed👌 f0rest is a legend👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I got all of them correct, idk something really gives it away after few seconds, idk what
the lack of knife skins gives it all away
Awesome stuff!
ayy got a 6 out of 6 but the last clip I was going to saw low but I saw the weapon skins and knew it had to be a pro
thank mr. betway
It would be funny if you put in a clip from the one you are asking the questions as well and see if they recognize, it must not be a popular clip to give it away tho.
honestly i was kinda 50-50 on the cache awper and tended to say its a pro, but on the last one i got it right that he was a pro. 5/6 for me too
wasn't the last clip Get_right? xd
The last one seemed kinda obviously pro to me because of the skins that they had and were dropping but i guess on that tablet screen it would be near impossible to see.
Video summary: I DON'T KNOW
just his ultra instinct 🎃
thank mr betway
I notice that most of the videos are from tournaments weeks ago, great content tho :>
Awesome concept
f0rest is right. You can actually kinda feel it intuitively on whether it's a pro or not