Exposing the Truth about Instant Leveling Conan Exiles
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Conan Exiles currently has a way for you to instantly level your thralls, but should you use this to level up your thralls? that's the question I'm going to answer in this video.
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Conan Exiles is an open-world survival game, in the brutal lands of Conan The Barbarian. You are an exile, one of thousands cast out to fend for themselves in a barbaric wasteland swept by terrible sandstorms and besieged on every side by Enemies. Here you must fight to survive, build and dominate.
Hungry, thirsty and alone, your very first battle is that against the harsh environment. Grow crops or Hunt animals for food. Harvest Resources to Craft Weapons and Tools. Build a shelter to survive. Ride across a vast world and explore alone, or band together with other players to build entire Settlements and Strongholds to withstand fierce invasions.
When strong enough, march forth into battle and wage war against your enemies as you fight to dominate the exiled lands. Sacrifice enemy Players on the Altars of the gods and shift the balance of power your way. Unleash your fury in savage, fast-paced Combat and execute bloody and bone-crushing attacks that will see heads rolling and limbs flying.
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I didn't bother guessing, because I understand the randomness of the thrall leveling system. I'm surprised this needed a video response.
Wak thanks for spending your time testing this. There will always be those who descent! Your videos are great.
Glad you like them!
So leveling one level at a time is like rolling one dice at a time, and Leveling them instantly is rolling all dice at the same time, Either way it is random and you roll the same amount of dice regardless
You have an influence on the leveling system. The differences in the end are not large. What you will want to do is invest in getting your Tome of Kurak leveled up because you're going to be re-rolling perks on your new companion to get them dialed in--or as much as you have patience for. Ultimately, they're going to vary some and you will lose thralls in assorted misadventures, particularly if you're on Siptah or in the Savage Wilds. What you really need is a large back bench of thralls of good quality. Quantity has a quality all its own.
Thank you for the video and insightful test. It occurred to me after watching your video that the small difference makes total sense! After looking at it from a math point of view, I don't understand why I was so fixated on the food growth buffs before.
Food only gives a small +14% chance to a single stat. To guarantee a growth at every level, you need a thrall that has a natural 86% growth in that stat to start with.
This means that thrall may get +15-20 or so even without the food buff... so the food gives you around +5 attribute points. An unnoticeable amount.
Maybe for a thrall with high HP/VIT stats this can make a difference, but for our berserker champions who get 35 HP/VIT... we are looking at a difference of 175 HP for all that extra work.
Another great demonstration of this point.
I'm afraid it still isn't enough. While said thrall would seemingly have 86+14=100% to level VIT (for example), in fact the other stats still have their 0-100% chances. So if it has +50 on each and +100 on VIT, its still just a 2 out of 5 chance :-P And thats only on the first roll, the second - said Wak - is even worse 😞
Edit: I may be wrong, I am hardly an expert on the matter.
@@petroandrasThey can level up multiple stats per level up. A 100% chance definitely counts as a guaranteed level up. I've leveled up enough thralls to know. My Dalinsia leveled up her vitality from 30 to 57 even though she only had an 80% base chance, meaning 94% total. On top of this, her strength went from 15 to 46. This is all before factoring in perks.
you arent counting the second rolls... they happen at half the rate of the stat that gained the point... so at 100% STR the second roll got a 50% chance of getting another +1 STR... in fact i would think that at 100% str it would average to about +30 STR once is all leveled up
first roll you get +0 or +1 ... IF you get +1 then there is a second roll to get another +1 at half the % of the first roll.
60% STR means you have a 40% chance of 0 and 60% of +1... if you hit that 60% then you have a 30% chance of another +1
100% STR means you have a 0% chance of +0 and 100% chance of +1... and then you have a 50% chance of another +1
food buffs help you reach that 100%
@@mrinanis You said it all. These percentages don't mean which is most likely to get the level up. It just means how likely they are to level those stats up. So if vitality has a 100% chance and strength an 80% chance, there's a 5/5 chance they will level up vitality and another 4/5 chance they will level up strength on top of it. These do not detract from each other. And to add to this, there's also duplicate level ups. They aren't affected by food buffs, but the likelihood is still very high if the base chance is high. That's how my Dalinsia got almost 30 level ups in her vit, from 30 to 57.
People just need to check their thrall stats before and after level 20 to see that the math ain't mathing. They will have the equivalent of 60 level ups if not more worth of stat increases. My T4 bearers all started with 0 in every stat and 15 in vitality. By the end, they had 18-35 in all stats and 50+ vitality.
That's literally like a hundred level ups worth. Not sure why people still think they only level up one stat one time for every one level up. They don't. They just roll the dice on every stat based off the percentages given, and roll it more than once in case they get a level up. I even had a Berserker going from 15 strength to 18 strength going from level 0 to level 1 once.
They really need to add a way the level your thrall without you doing it as an option. Leveling thralls take way too much TIME. Especially if you are solo or have multi bases. For me its overwhelming not in a good way.
Agreed. I always thought that at the very least non-following thralls should get exp for stuff they killed. It would certainly help when running purges.
And they’ve recently made changes with the stated intent to make thralls more disposable. That doesn’t add up with the grind it takes to level them.
@@namelessjedi2242 It also contradicts one of the most satisfying feelings in Conan, which is finding a really good thrall. Farming Berserkers for months or spotting a Dalinsia and getting godly luck on her RNG, then maxing them out ultra carefully to minmax their stats and be rewarded for your efforts and time with a really powerful thrall was one of the delights of this game. You legit felt bonded to those thralls.
Thralls are alive mod has training dummies they can use to raise whatever stat the training dummy gives (archery post, strength dummy etc) but of course it’s a mod.
oooh thank you @@k.t.1641
I hate to say it but not a fair test . The growth %s need to be identical for it to be fair E.g your thral A had a 90% hp growth and thrall B had a 65% +14 and its health was almost as good as thrall A it does look like you still get a boost just not as significantly as was hoped
This is true. At the end depends on the growth chance %. So if you want to level a thrall full HP, better catch a thrall with high growth %, if you have it like above 80% without giving him food, you could use waks way to instant level the thrall and almost wont matter.
But if you have a low growth % and still want to level him up in that attribute, better kill him or use it as shield cannon and find another one; or use food and use the old classic way level by level.
THanks for the video man. Big fan of Neebs Gaming and they got me back into Conan, nice to see you on there and to come across your videos with good info lol
When Leveling takes too long and on exiled lands. A little boost isn't going to hurt.
it is awesome , Wak , that you always look into what comments say and act on it and inform your viewers ! kudos to you ,friend ! p.s. : important info ! games Unreal Engine 4 will crash if you try trebuchet your way in by destroying chunks of base ! better to go way you have shown last time .
It's really the perks that make or break them anyways. Speed leveling thralls for purges and whatnot is better if you can because you spend more time doing the purge and less leveling thralls.
The most important thing in leveling a thrall is how the growth chance numbers randomly pan out on your stats when you thrall them. An archer with a high growth chance on strength and a mediocre growth change on agility isn't going to be a good archer. If the growth chance numbers suck you are better off in getting a new thrall than leveling that one. Those growth chance numbers are what really determine how well yours states turn out. If you get a berserker with only 45% for strength they are not going to be all that great. Because each level up they only a very limited chance to get a bonus point in strength and so your best bet is try again.
Exacto y también si un trall luchador grece más en agilidad que en fuerza. Entonces ponle un equipo de agilidad
Using this to level my purge thralls is much better, they don’t ever leave my purge base so works out well. Thx Wak 🤘🏻
Hi Wak, Are you sure about that food buff doesn’t impact chance for getting second attribute point? I always thought that if thrall has 100% vit chance then giving him 14% food bonus he still has 100% chance to get first point per level. But for second point chance is halved. So 114:2=57% not 50.
The whole issue is just that 14 is too small a number compared to the rest of the growth chances to influence things too much. So the QOL of instant leveling is much more worth it than those few extra attribute points. In any case I'd first insta-level 80 followers and then if I wanted to I'd start slow leveling replacements for those few extra attributes. An easier way to influence leveling is checking those growth chances at level 0 and picking thralls with the best ones. Assuming we can have an infinite supply of berserkers and dragoons since they always appear in their locations we can pick those with the highest strength/vitality and agility/vitality respectively. And the same for horses and camels, spam them and pick the best vitality/grit ones.
In the end the use you have for those thralls matters. If we're gonna be using them in purges where 1. it's better to have more worse thralls than fewer slightly better ones and 2. you're gonna be losing some here and there, then insta-leveling is infinitely better. If on the other hand you want one or two thralls to roam with, kit them out with the best possible gear and squeeze every little extra point of damage and survivability out of them then slow leveling is the way.
Ty man, but my buddy rents a server, so we max out xp gain every time to unlock everything and speed level thralls... btw, heres a fun tip for ya. If u find one of those sculptures that u can trade in for gold, keep the materials in your inventory and a crafting hammer to craft a treasure coffer. Then trade it in for gold, grab ur gold and dismantle it. Easy 5k gold coins.
There seem to be a lot of people here that doesn't understand that the perks aren't calculated in the total number shown, you have to do the math yourself. Perfect example is shown in this vid. Thrall A and B has same amount of HP, so does C compared to D, despite showing different total vit stat. It doesn't make sense until you do the math with the added perks.
Please note that this is aimed to people who commented saying that the test results doesn't mean anything due to the perks. He was doing the test only based on the base vit gained.
Looks like the real key factor is if the base chance + food buff pushes chance over 100%. A thrall with all 65% base is just as good instant leveling as slow, one with a 90% on a target stat will want slow leveled with food buff.
Exactly. If you can make one (or especially more than one) stat 100% or close to it, it is worth slow leveling. Like if you get a thrall with 90% vitality and 85% strength chances, it's worth feeding them steaks or exquisite stew for sure because they can level up multiple stats each time, meaning if you get multiple stats close to or at 100%, they will have guaranteed multiple level ups.
People can pretend 2-5 level ups don't matter, but we're not talking 2-5 level ups. We're talking 20-40 because duplicate and simultaneous level ups are a thing.
I tested this myself. Without factoring in perks, I leveled up two berserkers, both with an 85% vitality chance. One got fed steaks (99% vitality chance) the other got fed nothing.
The one who was fed steaks ended up with 900+ more base health despite equal base chances.
Anyone claiming 900 health, which is literally more than a third of the Berserker's base health, does not matter, is in sheer copium mode about having messed up their thrall's level ups.
And that's why I have a 5504 health Dalinsia Snowhunter with 46 strength who just yesterday absolutely curbstomped two enemy thralls (a Lian and a Berserker) in PvP. Because I bothered minmaxing instead of pretending it didn't matter.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Are you saying that from a single level up the thrall can gain a +2 to vitality and +2 to str?
Am I the only one who understands why he didn't use thralls with identical stat percentages? His intention was to show that the differences between higher percentage and lower percentage point games in relatively negligible. Unless you are taking the time and going through the tedious process of insuring your thralls have high growth chances, instant leveling them isn't going to make much difference when compared to slow leveling.
Obviously thralls with extremely high growth chances(86% or higher base + 14% food) will benefit from food, and would benefit from slow leveling. But how many people are actually taking the time to make sure their Dalinsia or Berzerker growth chances are extremely high? I know I sure wouldn't be, not unless I was using Admin commands to spawn them into the game. The growth chance is random every time you drop a thrall, so it seems like a massive pain in the butt to me.
The objections to this method of level are all dependent on getting best case scenarios with RNG thrall growth chances, which is rarely the case.
Thank you for presenting this argument so objectively and empirically.
I didn't know that instant leveling thralls was even as thing. Considering I play solo, I don't really give a rat's rectum about so much manipulation. Bring on the robo army of thralls.
Thanks for this. There been lots of talk on the server I play on about this. I have always insta levelled my thralls in the Mek dungeon since u have been able to and many players tell me its a bad idea. After having levelled many thralls the slow way and many they fast way I have noticed no discernible difference between the 2. Not going to waste my time doing it the slow way seeing as thralls so easy to get. I'm pleased someone finally agrees with me.
Does power-levelling via Mek-Dungeon work still in public servers? I have been seeing comments it was patched out?
For the people saying 'oh no, your thrall will be garbage', what content is there really where a min-maxxed thrall makes a huge difference? Conan has some of the easiest content out there. Even 'difficult' bosses like the Arena Champion can be defeated by simply stunlocking them between your thrall's attacks. I've played this game for a long time on PvP and PvE servers, private and official and I've never met content that I felt was so difficult to solo that I had to min-max. In fact, I do all content on Conan mostly in Expertise build (hate leaving loot behind), which once again is 100% an indicator that no one needs to care about min-maxxing.
In general, more thralls in the Purge scenario is better than fewer min-maxxed thralls. Why is this? Because there's a lot of interrupting/stunning. If you have more thralls, you have more chances to deal damage and mitigate damage by merit of interrupting the enemy's attacks. If you have fewer thralls, the enemy has a better chance of doing this to you. Thus, this method is 100% desirable and better than slow grinding thralls. Your 1 min-maxxed thrall will get murdered by the same Purge that would you'd easily defend with 3-5 fast-levelled thralls.
I didn't guess, but it was a very good explanation of the system. While knowing that your food choice level by level work had a minimal effect, I did not realize that it's nominal at best. Even after they fix it I doubt that I'll use the low regenerating, low durability and half stacking foods again. I also appreciate that you used one of your other runs at the castle that didn't feature in yesterday's video. As always, great content!
It really wasn't. The dice does not "land on an attribute", you get a dice roll in _each_ attribute, so 4 dice rolls for the 4 attributes. Over the 20 levels food ads 4-5 points on average. Secondary dice rolls are the same, but they only happen where the first dice roll was successful.
What may make a bigger difference is the percentages. I have noticed that the same thrall will have different percentages. I often decide what food to feed then based on these percentages. Also, I slow level simply because I enjoy doing it while exploring and completing challenges.
Thrall C had 56 vitality and a -5 from perks. If that perk was rerolled then they would have 61 and it’s now clear that grilled steak and slow leveling works. You are correct though that instant leveling doesn’t make trash thralls. They are just not maxed.
this x100
The people saying to slow level for better stats are 100% correct, but if you want to min-max for time efficiency instead of trying to make the strongest thrall possible (which, I mean, come on, these are cimmerian berserkers in the video, theyre far from the best so its a moot point anyway), instant leveling thralls saves time and leaves more room for gathering, pvp, etc.
I personally am the latter type - I like to maximize stats on my thralls, so I slow level them. That being said, the highest damage thrall is ALSO a fast-leveling thrall, so this process isn't so painful. If I was out there leveling Dalinsias and Berserkers, I would reconsider.
And? The other one only had 40 Vit. All that matters is the percentage roll you get when you spawn a thrall and some extra luck.
One of my friends completely leveled up in sorcery and we use the Elixir of Rebirth if we don’t like our thrall’s stats outcome. Saves us a lot of worry leveling them and time with feeding them. All we do now with leveling is feed them gruel and exotic feast. If they come out the way we want then YAY! If not, we just reroll their stats. It works for us 💯
Your test is faulty. Your first cimmerian bezerker had a 90% chance in vitality where your 79% with food. The first one had a 90% chance to get a point each lecel with a 45% of getting an additional point. Of you would have given him food he would have had 100% chance getting a point every level woth a 57% chance at getting an extra point. With your second thrall with the food her her xhance at getting a point is much smaller let alone the chance of getting a second point with only a 38% chance.
The only way this test really works is to do it with thralls with the same exta stats so use the playful pups
Your welcome to do that test and see that the system still only gives you a sense of control.
@wak4863 After levelling dozens of thralls I can confirm Sunglare is correct. Your test disregarded what base growth chance each thrall had and what the food used manipulated. Also the total attribute point gain is a false measure as anyone using food for a chance boost will use it to favour a higher chance stat. Agility and Grit mean nearly nothing for a Berserker you're training for strength or vitality because it already as an 80% or better change of growth in.
If you just go "whatever" you get "whatever" quality results (as demonstrated by your "results"). You have to pay attention to the system to get any value from it.
I have never received an answer or had a discussion on this topic. Because everyone has a different opinion. Because too many people rely on their tests with just any computer! It's nice to see that people are getting to grips with the mechanics and understanding of the game! That's how it is, the basic value and the growth opportunities are the program. If these values are not correct you need a new serf. That has always been the program! Everyone has to know for themselves. When 90% of people rely on some sort of calculator to feel secure. you can do it but I don't need it! Anyone who understands this no longer needs to be afraid that their companions will die. Sorry, that was a bit arrogant, but it really is true!
"Don't level your thralls" don't you just love it when viewers give you great ideas for videos!
Absolutely!
it really doesnt matter , u can use rebirth potion to change their stats/perks .
I totally understand and i believes this to be correct. Also ive leveled plenty of thralls to fight against other thralls continually in Gladiatorial Tournaments. Now , part from the info in this video - Thanx for the infoz i figured as much - ive had thralls face others thralls with less and more points and ehat ive noticed most of the time, unless there is a huge difference in vitality or attack damage is that it comes down to randomness even in fights between thralls ( same weapons ) the thrall that gets the combos in first, and are in the same categories ( Dalinsia vs Dalinsia, or even Dalinsia vs Berserker or even lian ) can still overcome the one with higher stats. Though having better stats i believe lends to more of a chance at times, though never definite. Love the info ❤in this video.
Getting through 50 thralls through instant levelling vs 10 slow thrall levelling will give the best average result as Perks are superior to anything else.. As it have been from the start, quantity of Thralls will always surpass quality.
Thanks for this video, I shared your first video on this matter in my discord and I'm sure to have people coming to me saying this won't work because..... @Wak I always appreciate your time you spend to test all of this out, you are amazing brother!
good job wak!
I made my own system for thrall leveling, first off, no thralls with under a 90% growth chance in either str, agl or vit. I built a pit in my base that I can drop rejects into, you place a trapdoor over top then just remove the door after placing them on top of it. At the bottom, there are spikes that will slowly bleed them out. (I know I can just delete them but I use the meat for blood and feeding my carnivore pets.) Next I take them to the aqueduct, where many female deer and baby horses spawn. If I recall correctly, its 1 foal for the first level, then hit your thrall to force feed them with a minimal damage weapon. (I use the predatory blade heavy strike.) Then 2 foals, 3 foals, then 1 foal and a small deer. Now just killing small deer and monitoring their level bar until level 10 is reached, then you move on to male deer, then wolves, then people, until you hit level 20. It takes some practice but it's the quickest way to isolate every level and make sure the thrall eats before each level. As a result I get the best of the best thralls and cast off the chaff, like hell week for the navy seals. After you've basically built your base and established your rhythm, what else do you have to do anyway? Start weeding out the weak links in your army. Some kind of a fighting pit or maybe a torture chamber or an executioner's block, gallows or something along those lines that funcom could add would be nice to speed up the efficiency of getting rid of the weak thralls would be a welcome addition. (Once again, I know you can just delete them, but you're throwing away valuable resources.) Finally, I guess I should say this is endgame stuff and is a waste of time early game, when you just need to get you wall manned and your based protected. Oh, and if your individually leveled thrall still comes out a disappointment, just hit them with the potion until you get the stats you want. Any suggestions or corrections anybody wants to add are welcome. I strive for an efficiently run operation and would like to see any comments on how my system could be refined.
The way I use to ensure they take dmg every level is I spec into corrupted authority 10 which splits dmg you take to thralls. So when they level I sit in front of a mob and take a hit making them take dmg and eat their food. Especially useful in PVE where you cannot dmg your own thralls.
Buddy sth that u forgot to mention is that different thralls have different potential number to increase their attribute. None of them have the same initial str or agility or vitality. So overall this matter plays a role in determining eventually their overall attributes points
Good to know. thx for the extra info wak.. i honestly figured it wouldnt matter but then again i don't really use anything but working thralls and do all the combat myself
Did you count the bonuses, because a true test would not have counted the bonuses as opposed to them leveling without bonuses. Another factor would be to test thralls with the same percentage chance. For example, one with a 75% chance in one category instant leveling, and one with 75% chance with slow leveling.
Even if will be big difference you can instant level guarding thralls.They not main followers so not big problem
Yeah so this info is only partly true. The way the stat growth check works is:
-Gain a level and roll the die for each stat.
-Each stat gains a level based on its growth chance
-a secondary roll is made on each stat that gained a point from the first roll
-the second rolls cut the growth chance in half.
I.e. if you have a 86% vit growth at base, and you feed vit food to thrall, first roll is a 100% chance and the second roll is 50%
All that said, it's totally worth it to power level most t4 thalls and abuse the hell outta this bug. The time vs. stats gained weighs heavily in favor of the power level bug
End of the day its a PvE private perspective scaled against a PvP official perspective. The smallest advantage means everything to PvP player and 10 pts can be the deciding factor between a "trash" thrall and "op" thrall. However i get how on a pve server so long as the thrall can handle a dungeon a few points lost over convince isnt a big deal.
the base chance matters... lets say i want max STR on a thrall: stats roll twice per lvl and once you are at or over 100% you have a +1 on that stat and then a 50% of getting another +1 (for the second roll the % is halved) like if it percentages were 90 40 30 30 and with food it goes to 104 40 30 30 then the first roll you will get a +1 in STR then it rolls again (since you got a point) and you have a 52% of getting another +1 in STR ideally you want the stat you want to have the highest percentage and the stats you dont want to have as low percentage as possible (and food makes this more doable) ... now w/o food (like with insta lvling) the only case you gonna have that guaranteed +1 STR is if they have natural 100% in STR.. with food (as in slow leveling) they can have as low as 86% and still get that +1 and possible +2 ... so yeah food matters cus you get that first point
if your thrall got something like 74 65 72 55 then slow level or insta level doesnt matter (tbh i wouldn't lvl it unless you need cannon fodder and in that case you are better off insta leveling it)
NOTE that even more impactful than the 14% extra chance are the perks ... if you can just feed +30 reroll pots to a single thrall looking for that triple max AGI/STR/HP then perks are moot. BUT if you cant spent 20-30 reroll pots in a single thrall then just go insta lvl them and check for the perks... those dont care if you insta or slow lvl and have a MUCH higher impact in the thrall's stats.
Quick level,then reroll them with the reroll potion till you get them where you want...level 10,15 and 20 give you a random bonus that you cant totally control...so why take your time when there is no guarantee?
I always give my thralls shredded roast for the grit to give them better armor points, unless they already have a high chance with grit I will give something else.
I don't even bother to give thralls food anymore except to heal with because I seemed to in most cases get better stats on my thralls not giving them food than I did giving them food.
😂 yesterday I watched your vid about how to instant level your thralls and thought, that's interesting. Today I see another vid by you titled don't instant level your thralls. 😅😂 Another Wak moment?
Easy fix, put food in the inventory before fast leveling, see if it makes a difference
Gona bet not 😅
Confused. Well for good explanation is important to select thralls with almost same grow chances , then add food to the needed subjects for that perc and hope you get also best posible rng on the level bonus. In me opinion you didnt adress the problem they told you about. Its good to slow level a good rng thrall rest is just not important. So what mekes thrall good? The name, then percent grow chance he got Rng for needed stat, then hope for good level bonus, like 10 +vit or str. Firespark made the calculations sometime ago. Yea you can still be left out with RNG, but you have best chance if you got good initial number and add food and slow level up to be sure thrall got the food buf.
I was getting so triggered reading the comments in the last video. I guess this is the video everyone needed, so thanks.
Nope, doesn't much matter. I do level some the grindy way but i plan on leveling my Purge base thralls using the Stygian base. Most of them are going to die anyway.
There are a whole lot of myths about this game. Remember the, "don't use foundations because they lag" nonsense? Even up to today there's servers that do not allow you to use foundations. Same with this trick.
This does work. I run a mod called Multichar and I have one character I use to test stuff and it does work. However, later when I tried it on a server I play on my thralls showed up. lol Not good. So both named thralls were killed. I have no idea what went wrong. Had them on stop but suddenly there they were. So while it works, it's pretty risky in my opinion.
Put them on passive so they don't teleport to you and try to attack the enemies
Noted. Thanks@@kuragueshinsuo
IT seems that it is not working any more, because when I get back, thrall is gone.
It's only 5 seconds until they take this very useful thing away anyways. Thralls are too expendable to give that much of a shit, I mean, fair enough for the immersion role players who want to pretend it matters, I guess.
so id say it all depends on the growth potential of the thrall if you have one that you can put at 100% in the desired stat with food then normal level it if not auto level seems fine
Instant level your thralls, timeliness is a thing, don't use up time leveling 5 dalincias to perfection when you can have 30 now.
I've leveled up hundreeds of thralls since many years and i agree, there is no knowledge, no science behind this justs random calculation depending on the thrall specs hardcoded in the game. You can have a little influence with the food that's it.
If you get a good thrall it's just because you got lucky, you don't need to learn anything to get good thralls.
But since we have sorcery and the potion to reset thralls, now we have a chance to change things. I usually make a bunch of potions and i make a "swallow the medicine" session until i get a good result. Sometime it can take up to 20 potions to have a decendt result as once again it's totally random.
yeah mine have been coming out fine, if i was worried about a specific one get best possible then sure maybe id take my time but most i dont care. and if you're on ewwa you can reroll them anyway
My thrall did not lvled up when i killed a boss, and i did exactly same thing you did
We always "love tap" (smack) our thralls each time they level to make them eat food
Ok, this is surprising! Thanks!
Levelling 4 random thralls with different attribute chances doesn't even start to make sense.
1. This is not how people play. Most people farm for thralls until they get a thrall, which with a proper food can have 100% chance of levelling the attribute they want.
2. Different percentages makes it worthless - you are comparing apples to oranges at this point.
All I’m saying is for my berserkers I’m mad if they get anything in agility
I tried last night, but the boss is kicking my ass. I got one shot 4 times in a row and lost my tester thralls. Going to try again with friends tonight!
You have to kick HIS ass.
Gotta love actual empirical evidence.
Nice I’m definitely trying this for my pets for sure
What about your attributes while leveling each thrawl level? Did you use well-trained? I seem to get better perks at 10, 15, and 20. Usually all positive. I am on console so I don't have access to all the info you do. At least not that I'm aware of.
All depends what you after - lv Up T4 end game thralls take lots of Xp / Time and using stronghold boss to instant lv. Up them to lv.20 is no way to max out thralls potential as they are loosing out on food up to 14% growth chance. Then if you want lv. Up 3-5 end game T4 warriors and 6-12 T4 endgame archers for - New Purge Trap using instant Lv.20 lv up its very tempting - so big timesaver ( afterwards use sorcery potion to re-roll Perks - to make them better) - you will not get max potential of them ...
Did you even watch the video?
So I think I understand the controversy. Rather than feeding them different foods between level ups, and fine tune what stats get a better chance EACH time it levels, the insta-level 20 is an all-in thing since the chances of a stat buff will be limited to just ONE attribute, rather than picking and choosing between levels.
So then, if you're getting bad results from instant leveling, what about using the "Elixir of Rebirth" potion to re-roll those stats? Just force feed them the proper food for the buff-chance you want (all-in-one) and have them drink the Elixir of Rebirth, and see what happiness. Assuming food buffs still work when using the elixir. The elixir isn't that expensive to make (you do have to get into sorcery) so you could do this repeatedly if the results aren't right.
Elixirs don't work on the core attributes, just the perks.
@@wak4863Oooh that's right.. what was i thinking? Isn't there an elixir/potion that resets thralls? I guess only for players.
havent played conan exiles (exept for loggins) for 2 weeks cuase eldenring has my interest for now some thing i never looked into is the thralls and thralls system very bothersome and the overview is kind of unexplained. u cleared it up kinda wanna see for myself now.
just one thing put thralls well inside ur base or near ur base otherwise they can still be killed.
Now im building an army and greater pets for level 20 just use elixir of rebirth on them
Any body else have those glitches where if you die from say falling off a mountain as soon as you die the game crashes and when you log back in your in some random ass spot. Like once I respawned in an underground cave full of scorpions and another time I respawned on top of a portal in a thick weird looking forest with a monster on the other end. It let me portal out and I was in supermeru.
I usually just level my thralls with level 2 purge, they get tons of level as long as they are set to follow. I only ever bothered using admin command to level them before the new purge system came out.
Can you please tell me the name of the armor your character is wearing, i would really like to know please, sir wak.
The more easy is to level the better it is really good tips I have tried it and I have a lot of thrall to level up so for me it’s a big win to can level in one time. it is not a easy trip I tried it yesterday and have been wrecked before I can climb but today i manage to do it and 2 thrall lvl20 in 20min so it’s not easy but it worth it the time win is so good so I can focus on other part of the game I have almost 20 thrall to level up so for me it is a big win thanks
I didn't even know you could cheat the levels on thralls, lol
the total number of points also differs depending on the skills that they end up with. if you reroll the skills with rebirth potions you can actually increase them quite a lot, so it's not just the leveling per se. it doesn't affect the initial stats written in white, but the final result is more important. if you get a thrall that already has 80ish%+ in vit or str and you absolutely want to focus on that one skill, then take it one lvl at a time. but the difference is too small. even a 100% chance isn't actually a 100% guarantee that he'll get that specific stat on each level up
Do you have any proof that 100% chance is not guaranteed? Just curious if it’s true.
I think 100% chance is a guaranteed point and half the time you get 2 points. So you'll get on average 30 extra points to that attribute at level 20.
I only play solo and I've leveled up plenty of thralls with admin commands. Even if it says 100% you won't always get a point in that skill. I haven't done any testing in the last several months, but I doubt that changed. I believe Firespark had an old video on this saying the exact same thing also
@@liviuursegr I have leveled up six thralls to 20 with 100% chances in Chapter 2/3, and they have never missed a single level up.
That's either ungodly luck, or they made 100% actually count for 100%. I think it's definitely 100%. How else do you explain my Dalinsia Snowhunter going from 30 vit to 57 vit and my Berserker going from 15 strength to 50 strength before including perks?
@@TheStraightestWhitest that would be great, if they fixed that. In chapter 3 I've only leveled up for casual play but I haven't done any deliberate testing
If you are able to push let’s say a bearer 3 thrall to/past 100% vit with steaks you will see a big difference in their hp leveling by hand and then re rolling perks with pots you will easily have 20k+ health before any following buff.. I don’t think it makes any sense to level by hand unless the food your feeding them gives 100% chance of success. The second chance of the attribute is rolled at half the growth chance so still gives a reason pushing past 100%
Pushing past a 100% is not worth it. The food can give you an average of 5.4 extra point (at high percentages), with the second roll only contributing 1.4 extra points. 90% -> 104% gives you 4.3 points (on average), 95% -> 109% gives you 2.9 points (on average) and 100% -> 114% will give you just the 1.4 points (on average). Not really worth it.
I'd just instant level then change the attributes with the potion
It's showing the latest instant leveling trick... That I watched yesterday, so the algorithm sucks 😂
Wak whats the best healing foods for thralls... Cause i dont see it being worth it using food to increase thier stats specifically. Id rather throw aome good food thats heals then well and let the rng take over 😂
I subbed today btw, you and fitespark are the only YT people I watch for conan
wak debunked the haters
He really didn't. He used thralls with different percentages and only used final level up tally to prove a ''point''.
But what if I'm leveling a strength/vitality thrall? What use would I have for agility/grit?
And obviously, 7-14% from food won't do much if one thrall has an 85% chance of leveling while the one I feed only has a 45% chance of leveling that stat. And yet this was how wak tested it.
What he should have done was taken 3x3 thrall with equal stats (let's say 90% strength or vitality), and then tested a slow level up with strength/vitality food against an instant one.
I guarantee you that you'd see a stat disparity of at least 5-10 points in just the preferred stat alone.
Depending on the thrall, 5-10 points can be the equivalent of 8% damage or 600 health. You really gonna claim 8% damage and/or 600 health doesn't make a difference? Because that sounds like copium from someone who doesn't want to put the work into actually minmaxing a thrall. Yes it's tedious, but I have literally been reported (unsuccessfully) for hacking because my Dalinsia Snowhunter has 5504 health and still deals 300 damage a hit due to 46 strength and 57 vitality, all because I leveled her up perfectly using exquisite stew and steaks to minmax both strength and vitality. Now she's butchering everyone else's thralls on the server with incredible ease. Two people have already lost their Arena Champion thrall sets because of it, LMAO!
I love it when people don't properly level up their thralls. Gives me free stuff.
I feel like I knew that because you said it in an older video because the food chance thing
I'm to pissed at Funcom on how they change the combat fighting the king scorpion was a bit easy before they change the combat and what makes it worse is I have wait until mid January for the fix to come also I play on console so no mod can help there
im certain there is more fckery behind the "scenes"
i have a thrall with growth stats 100/56/56/100. at lvl 20 the growth per level was 1,45/1,15/1,20/1,45 ...
Doesn't matter. Whatever bonus slowfed gives, does not equate the time necessary to level 20. You gave a method to where we could have level 20 zerkers every 15 minutes...my harden steel production in the furnace cant keep up to craft the epic armor for these guys now. I have had to resort to stealing weapons and shields from the dead to break them down to the components to supplement my H steel production.
I also use rebirths , works wonders.
Does the kurak dungeon no longer insta lvl thralls
Rebirth elixirs can have way more of an impact than level acquired stats
It's not either or. Using 126 rebirths on my Dalinsia, I got her to have 15 + 15 + 10 vitality. However, I also got her vitality at base from 30 to 57 using steaks, which was worth 1100 health in and of itself.
As a result, she has 5504 health. She'd have barely more than 4k if I had not leveled her up the way I did. Perks do matter more, but only with godly rolls, and they will never compensate for missing out on base level ups.
Just use elixir of rebirth on them until u get desired stats
most people makes the mistake to give grilled steak to a thrall that has already a 95 , 100 % grothchance in vitality, there is 0 , 1 points thralls can gain per level, plus 0 or 1 points that are totally random, so the max they can gain per levle is 2poins per attibute, and each attribute is separate from each other.
Unless they just changed that it in this chapter what you are saying is not true. If you have a 90% growth chance then you have 10% chance to get 0 points and 90% chance to get at least 1 point. If you get that point your chance gets halved so 45% for at least a second point (55% to stay at 1 point) and then half of that again so 22.5% to get a third point.
Giving a grilled steak to a 95% thrall would make it a 100% chance for the first point and then afaik a (95% + 14%)/2= 54.5% chance to get that second point and 27.25% to get a third. However in total that would on average just give you 3 more points then if you did not feed them for vitality in your example.
i have never seen a third point EVER, and i have leveled tons of thralls. when 95% plus i usually go for str , but all is RNG, i heard bout the halved values, but tbh, i had never have a confirmation on how those numbers were. however third point? i have never gotten points in one level to no atributes that i can confirm.
@@hanseluvpopitledoyalboton1436 I have seen it. One of my berserkers went from 15 to 18 strength going from level 0 to level 1.
thralls are pointless on point of em is to have an kill box and it doesn't matter if there good not not so people telling them to to insta lvl is a wast of time doing it lvl by lvl
So if you put food in their inventory before you insta level does that help make it so the points might do into that stat when they insta lvl? I have been putting a stack of food in their inventory to help them gain points in the stat i want when trying to insta lvl. Dunno if it's actually helping but i like to think it is 😅
Thralls have to eat each time before they level up to have the bonus added, if you're insta lvling to 20 the food would only count for the first level. You can see this because if you just leave a stack of food in their inventory and level them slower the food buff doesn't kick in if they don't eat between levels whether from you feeding them or them eating because they're missing health. If a thrall levels up without losing any health it won't need to auto eat and hence the bonus won't lock in
Any pet diet guide tips? 😭
Different growth chances, this is not conclusive.
Agreed.
are you sure the food bonus doesn't to all 20 level when you instant level them?
Yes the food bonus has a cooldown they will only benefit from the first level.
Good info now how do he tell his followers to stay put on ps5 dos any 1 know?
Conan is full of bugs, a lot more introduced with AoW chapter 3, so having the thrall levelling system not working will be no surprise.
I gave up watching half way because as u said at that part I don't think it makes a difference, only thing making a difference is the food because certain foods give better chances for specific stats, I don't believe there would be any difference besides that really. That and I'm on official servers so instantly leveling makes no difference for me
But you can do it on official servers.
2:02 I’m wearing that same shit on me😂