The Story of my osu! Injury (and why you shouldn't do what I did)
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Please drop a comment if you've ever injured yourself playing a game! Would love to compare stories.
Here's a longer follow up video that includes a lot of the details about the injury and my playstyle that I left out here - take a look if you're interested
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Here's a longer follow up video that includes a lot of the details about the injury and my playstyle that I left out here - take a look if you're interested
ruclips.net/video/qQqQup7HUwM/видео.html
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a wise man once said:
your hands are your everyday tools, remember to take breaks.
-ppy
i think i need to make this a startup disclaimer to be honest..
@@DeanHerbertMooCow that is a great idea
@@DeanHerbertMooCowdefinitely a good idea
@@DeanHerbertMooCowyep mr pepster
This is so funny because I wanted to beat you in rank when i was 4 digit. You inspired me to keep grinding but still I never managed to. I hope you get better :(
man that feels crazy, hearing that makes me feel super nostalgic
you got plenty of time to beat me now !!
if I ever recover and come back I'll try to catch back up - casually of course
Sometimes you just need to take a break when you feel stuff like that since if you force it and play more, not only will you play like absolute garbage but also destroy your hand completely. I think Cookiezi also has similar type of hand issues (or maybe even worse idk) but its interesting to see how both of yall handle it. Anyways great vid bro keep it up 👍
zdravo stevco
yeah true if i play and my hands are fatigued i just decide i won't be making any plays anyways and call it quits lmao
Something that no one seems to talk about is how dangerous hand and wrist pain is, and how to deal with it.
I'm a dental student, so I'm taught a lot of wrist exercices to avoid carpal tunnel, tendinitis, and injuries in general and I think the most valuable advice I can give to anyone is: If your wrist or hand starts hurting, STOP IMMEDIATLY AND CLOSE THE GAME. Muscles can be pushed to extremes, tendons cannot. Always do wrist exercices and warm up with maps that are not too crazy. Also, don't extend your sessions more than necessary.
Your hands are important, take care of them.
Currently at #4526
What are the wrist exercises? I do not grind too hard, but I want to be careful
@@coolbro_2963Search it in google. They're pretty helpful and you should do it at the start of your session and at the end of it too
my tap hand started hurting at #116k my 5 digit dreams were crushed
when you actually got a damage, it's no longer something that can be recovered with break
I can relate to this so much even though I'm playing on a different mode. I experienced almost the same by playing 3 years of osu!mania.
plus, when it comes to the later period of the game, it hurts your hands even more if your playstyle is not correct
I've been continuing the treatment journey ever since 2021 but it didn't go any better. (It's comfirmed to be permanent)
Health is way more important than anything in life, make sure to not exceed the limit, try not to be injured.
That's all I can say.
The video is great, hope you can get better soon
i remember you from robeats
@@flaregames709 shut your ass up
Good health to you too, sign
There are new treatments for bone and tendon damage that reached degenerative states (meaning the injury is self-sustaining and rest does not solve the issue) that seem to be effective.
Look into peptides and novel physiotherapy protocols employed by top level sport teams (a lot of the old physiotherapy wisdom that is still applied by most professionals is scientifically outdated and has been for a while).
Ofc if anyone decides to go the pharmaceutical route, don't buy grey market stuff online and seek help from doctors and trustworthy individuals
@@flaregames709 Ay same. He used to be a legend in Robeats and was one of the reasons I got into Rhythm games in general.
I had a similar thing happen to me. If you feel ANY PAIN. Take breaks. Trust me, you will regret not listening to this advice.
i already had a existing nerve condition and playing osu for 2 years has only made it so much worse, thank you for showing this side and warning others :)
health > any game at anytime, especially if its osu! You really have to look out, great message in the video :)
As someone who vigorously played mania for a few years (#6725), it is not worth the pain. It's good that you are bringing awareness to it, because had I known better my hands would be in a much better state. Your hands are NOT meant for osu, but for doing other things, more valuable things.
Man now im pretty happy that i stopped some years ago. I played till #9900 and something idk but quitted. Im playing guitar tho and both my hands are often used but i think osu is way more straining for ur joints
I'm lucky enough to where my years of playing osu! has not caused any damage to my hands yet (with proper techniques and resting, as well as stretching my hands before play a good 3/4's of the time) but it's always been a scary topic to think about. Thanks for sharing your story, Duhop, and I hope someday you can recover and maybe enjoy the game casually again :)
Got immense wrist pain back in 2015, since then it hasn't completely healed, though the only thing that has actually helped me since then is weightlifting. Treat your osu sessions the same way as a workout. Putting all this pressure on your hands as you gradually get better at the game requires enough rest between the sessions. What I would recommend is hitting the gym 2-3 times a week, gym days are osu rest days, and gym rest days are osu days, though whenever you feel like some inconvenient injury is lurking just fully quit the game for a week to let it heal completely
hi gianuba
Thanks for posting this Duhop, people definitely need to learn to pay closer attention to their own body. I hope that you get access to physical therapy again and that it helps you heal somewhat
Definitely still see a doctor. This problem will only get worse further in your life and even harder to fix. There are ways to fix the priblems permanently, even if its by surgery.
@@OP-qb1jiI have almost the exact same problem, and it doesn’t seem to worsen over time. Hurts when it is overused. If anything I think it gets better but only like 5% better every year. Either way, I don’t think I was being too late to stop, so I’m happy I still live a fairly normal life just like OP.
In my pen hand i felt like my thumb nerve get squeezed while playing osu, i've quit the game after that .
7 months after first quit, i'VE PLAYED FOR DAMN 3 DAYS AND IT'S BACK AND WORSE THEN EVER.
This video just made the decision to quit again till pain goes away. Ty for uploading this lad!
EDIT: PAIN went away after changing grip and avoiding the pen in that specific spot that was blocking the nerve.
this is honestly so sad and unfortunate, not being able to play a game you hold dear and love is just… sad and painful
stay safe and wishing you a recovery !
I really like your narration. This is a great vid!
This video was certainly a grim reminder that there are indeed real risks to not respecting your own limits and managing yourself
I had been so infatuated with improving and pushing my limits that I never really stopped and considered the risks that come from it. Thoughout the past year and a half of grinding occasionally the pain would persist for a few hours, sometimes days after a session. I feel like ive been incredibly lucky that every time that happened it would go away on its own after a week.
Nerves are one of the slowest at healing in the human body, I hope that with enough time you can eventually come back into the game you love.
I remember playing so much 3 years ago to the point I too damaged my wrist quite a bit that still sometimes have issues with till today, it made me struggle to draw and write which made me realize I have to stop playing the game, which thankfully I lost interest in soon enough few months later.
It is not worth injuring yourself because of a game, breaks are so important when you play a lot, no need to force yourself to play and it's no fun to play when you injure yourself in the process. This type of injury really makes you realize just how important it is and wrist injury is no joke. Safe recovery and take care of yourself :)
thank you so much for sharing, praying for your recovery. Don't give up🙏
One of my fingers has started going numb because of playing Osu, I can tell because I have a lot less sensation in it after my Osu sessions. I believe this may be a symptom of a pinched nerve, and I never took it seriously until I watched this video. I have other medical problems unrelated to my hands and arms, and I also live in Canada so I understand how frustrating the healthcare system can be. Thank you so much for sharing this, a lot of players push themselves too far because they want to improve and end up irreversibly injuring themselves. I will now take much more frequent breaks, and keep your story in mind when I’m playing. I wish you well in your recovery, and it makes me disappointed to hear the Canadian healthcare system has neglected you.
ik u didnt ask but my ring/pinky finger and down my arm a bit went numb and stayed that way for almost two months bc of osu and when i went to the dr they told me it was a pinched nerve so that is most likely it, after it went back to normal i started taking more breaks & it hasn't come back, so i'm glad to see that u are taking precaution
@@1273s No worries, it’s interesting to see others’ experiences with this. I’m happy to hear you could take care of your hand before it was too late, and are now taking proper precautions. I only play Osu about once a week, but my finger is still almost completely numb. I might quit for a longer amount of time, think it has something to do with my grip. I appreciate the support, good luck on your Osu journey :)
Great video. That's why I just stopped playing osu! standard and decided to focus on Catch The Beat Instead. I have now peaked at rank #502 and had much fun, without injuring my wrist. For some reason I just can't go into a longer session of standard without my wrist hurting, while CTB doesn't jurt, if ever just slightly.
This is good!
I tried to get into mania but it was just never very fun for me sadly, I'm glad you found another gamemode to enjoy that doesn't cause pain.
I'm not going through the exact same thing right now but I've started developing arthritis in my fingers and my left hand has been hurting a lot in random spots. The arthritis isn't that bad but the random pain in my left hand has made me get angry a few times lol. Thanks for making this video, I'll probably just take a break or quit soon
Wish you the best for the future hope you recover thanks for the video
thanks for the youtube recommendations I see that I'm not the only one who has gotten injuries playing osu. Mine was just osu!mania, which happened like twice. I'm lucky enough that my injuries wasn't as permanent as yours seem to be
thank you very much for this video ! its a great reminder that the human body is fragile, and that any repeated action without any break or stretch can cause injury. i hope that ur arm will get better soon !
really appreciate posting this awareness video man, more people should really be aware of this.
I had a similar situation like yours back in september 2021 although it wasn't as severe and I managed to recover and play the game normally now, but that period really fucked up my tapping, as in my middle finger feels really heavy and I can't tap without feeling a degree of discomfort.
I think my real fear of this happening to me is why my play count each month is consistently so much lower than the people around me. I used to play mania obsessively, then my wrists started hurting. Then when I didn’t quit, they started hurting worse. I ended up injuring my wrists so bad one day that when I went to class after a mania secession, I was struggling to hold a pencil and write… I went straight to a doctor who told me it was a stress caused injury and that I needed to give my wrists a break… I ended up mostly quitting mania and took a pretty serious break from standard as well. I fell in love with other video games, games that don’t put as much stress on my wrists, and after most of a year my wrists don’t hurt much anymore. They’re not fixed, I still can’t bend them a specific way or I get a lot of pain, but I happens, and I still play standard and mania sometimes, and I am very very slowly still getting better as a player…. But it makes me sad to see my progress stagnating because of a physical limit in my hands.
Im not sure where I’m really going with this except to say that I relate. The pain in my hands isn’t worth the fun I had. Warm up, do stretches, don’t force yourself straight into high bpm anything 5 minutes into your session. Protect your hands and wrists, you’ll regret it if you don’t.
just realized this has been happening to me with pjsk, but i saw this video early enough for the effects to not be irreversible, this actually saved me from a huge fuck up thank you
Thanks for this advice bro (: i started feeling pain in my hand this week. This video is a blessing. Just the same as you my aim got worse. But this happened only a few days ago.
I'm sorry to hear your story. I started playing Osu a year ago, but I had to stop it for a while because of the lots of concentration and stress during a map I literally forgot to breath sometimes and my body wouldn't move at all, it sticked like a rock and I got this pain in my shoulder . I came back a while ago, although I don't play it much, it's still good ur video popped up to warn me, so thanks for ur video. I hope the best for you!
I felt that my Hands and Wrist started to hurt after gaming sessions. I quickly decided to quit the game therefore and I havent been playing for 3 months now and I wont ever again. I quickly figured that a game isnt worth sacrificing my healt especially if it concerns your hands, imo your most important body tool. Havent had pain since I quit so I think I did the right thing quitting before i get constant/chronic illness. Glad that someone gives a warning out there and shows the risks of playing this game too much. Hope your hands will get as good as they can, greetings from Germany.
Osu is just such an addicting game that we sometimes forget about our health and wellbeing and what the long term consequences can be. After playing for over 6 years, I was finally able to have a whole month with 0 osu plays which was just last month. My wrists feel much better now and I am actually able to workout and do things without reoccurring sharp wrist pains. I consider myself lucky to be able stop before anything got too serious and I am sorry for how it ended for you. But thank you so much for making this video and warning others that the risks of playing too much osu are very real.
Project Diva/Taiko no Tatsujin player here, and I had this exact thing happen to me. Played PD almost every single day, peaking at 38th nationally on a select difficulty. After years of playing, I started feeling pain in my wrists along with tingling and numbness, and the pain's only gotten worse after a couple of years. I go to occupational therapy now, and it helps a little. Apparently I was predisposed to this kind of injury, and now I've ended up with Ulnar nerve entrapment (or Cubital Tunnel) lol. Thankfully, I know of other people who have had these problems fixed, through extensive therapy and/or surgery to release pressure on the compressed nerve. It's rough to see other people end up with similar issues from playing rhythm games. I really hope everything goes well for you! No one should have to go through this.
Honestly facts, good video. I dont play standard but I'm 9 months into my Osu!Mania/Quaver journey reaching 4 digit on quaver and 69k on mania, had pain in my right hand and had to take a 2 month break from the game since I just wasn't improving, and with history of hand/wrist injury from my earlier Minecraft pvp days its been rough. Good video to spread awareness about it though.
My whole right wrist still gets pain after years of not playing osu :((( always stay safe and take breaks!!! I would play until i physically couldn't anymore and it's just not worth it.
Thank you brother, I randomly found your video and it just happens I am in the exact situation you were in 3 years ago thank you for sharing, god bless I hope you recover and come back ❤️
There is a point of strain and a point of pain, you should never push too hard to the point where you are just in a lot of pain, some pains can be normal like soreness and those you NEED breaks for.
I have been playing Taiko for around 3 years now when I also say, every once in a while.. just take a break. It provides not only a physical refresh but also a mental refresh. It can be in the span of you play one day and stop playing next and so on, or you play a little while(like a month) then take a half a week or a weeks break. Everyone has their limits and everyone has different limits, but you must ALWAYS take care of your body and ALWAYS be careful, but not so careful that you just mentally skill block yourself. Play the game how you like, but just take care in doing so, take care of your body. I hope you get your physical therapy and have the opportunity to start healing, you got lots of potential waiting to be unleashed my guy👍
Appreciate the insight and hope more people see this. Also hope you get better
Thank you for sharing your experience. I do hope you will get better!
Awesome video man, I don't even play this game but I've had many injuries related to sports and pain makes you miserable especially when it prevents you from doing soemthing you love.
I've noticed throughout my years of playing osu, that i improve the most shortly after taking a break for a few weeks or months. i always wondered why, but i think i know the answer now.
it's because i also experience pain and slight loss of control of my right (aiming) hand after playing osu for a few weeks. i try to change my mouse grip but to little avail, so i get frustrated and stop playing for a while.
i guess i'm lucky that i do this, because it could be a symptom of what you described. i'll definitely remember this. thanks for the informative video
Nah, man, don't give up. Everything is gonna be great and you'll recover from this injury. Thank you so much for doing this video, man!
Im in my first year of kinesiology/physioteraphy and, although im no one to give advise yet, i tell you that the best doctor u could have is yourself.
Nerve pain can be increased by stiffness in the area (lack of streching and strength) and inflammation. Idk if you already do things like working out or having a healthy diet but that is the typical stuff. Due the length of the injury u may think the way to recover is to stop doing stuff and resting; which is not that good. U need to try to regain the range of motion/activation by pushing to the point it doesn't hurt. Maybe even slowly playing osu again may help as it could be a traumatism (basically rather than the nerve still being fucked up the brain still thinking the nerve is fucked so it sends pain to avoid usage) and the more u use it the more your brain realized it actually works well again
I actually need to take this advice otherwise I am going to have permenant damage in my wrist, hands and fingers. After only an hour I always get a tingling(and burning) sensation that I just push through because I am stubborn, If I lose control over my body it would be detrimental to me as I am only 14 years old. This video helped me realise that I really need to take a break . Thank you for the video and I wish you all the best.
I also got injured but only on the finger level, more specifically left hand’s middle finger. Got into too much DT, my left hand’s middle finger would still occassionally hurt if I strain it by extensively playing osu or carrying heavy items causing load on the middle finger. It has been like this for like 4, maybe 5, years now, and I’ve learnt to accept that it might not go away. I am fairly happy to be able to still live a mostly normal life. Follow our advice, stop when you’re in pain. Pain is NOT just a feeling. (Despite whatever other people say, your body’s tryin’ to tell you something!)
its nice you made a video on this, i had a very similar experience where my pain lasted about 2 years without really getting better. luckily in the past year ive noticed its almost entirely gone, and ive been able to enjoy the game again, so i hope with enough time you will begin to experience something similar
You know osu is like a sport, the thing you need to improve is your muscles in your arm. And like every sport, if you try too hard you’ll be wrong cuz your body needs to adapt slowly to protect yourself and never reach a dangerous point. In any sport this time is very important and this is why you need to be patient.
When it hurt, your brain is trying to say to you "hey stop it’s too much, don’t go further"
If you wanna improve healthy you need first of all to train the correct muscles (look at your arm when you are streaming, I doubt it’s just about the muscles in your fingers that are important) secondly, try hard until it hurt a little but not further, and finally be patient 🙂.
There's a person like you who fell into the same trap as you. Their name was Forest bhop (bunnyhop).
They played CSS (counter-strike source) bhop and the genre forced him to do insanely fast and precise mouse movements.
He kept iron willing himself through the pain and eventually it led him to getting RSI (repetitive strain injury).
He loved bunnyhop, that's why he kept going
He was a legend among all of the bhoppers; just like you are in the osu community.
But he had to put down the game because of the years of strain he put on his arms playing the game.
All I'm saying is, take care of your body folks. If you don't, it can lead to you losing the thing you love the most.
EDIT: Here's the story if you're interested ruclips.net/video/3Z4pIBBycAQ/видео.html
Thank you for reminding me that each time I play I will have limited results. After my injury I’ve become overwhelmed by the feeling that I want to get back to where I was fast. I’m going to take it easy from now on, thank you.
im a stream/speed player and my aim didnt improve at all in the last year but good thing i never planned on grinding it hard. We will wait you back in the osu community, doesnt matter how long it takes
I suffered the same injury (and I think that it's permanent too) as you. I never thought that THAT small pain that I felt everyday would eventually lead to my left hand's weakening.
I'm doing better now though, it's been a couple of years and I'm glad that I stopped playing that game. When I decided to stop though I tried to do some exercises for my wrist, it did helped easen the pain and I kept doing it until today. The only sad part is that when I try to do any strenuous, the pain comes back, even if it's just carrying a ladder or my toolbox hurts a bit.
And thankfully I started working out last year, not just to compensate for my hand but to better my lifestyle. From playing osu for hours everyday to finally going out to do calisthenics at a park and actually enjoying life.
I do miss the clicking part from time to time but I guess things will be as is now.
I also have repetitive strain injury from osu!mania sadly, which is also probably never going to go away, nothing helped me starting from stretches to checkups. Forced me to quit mania and later on standard too because I just couldn't grip my pen from the pain, now I play taiko and it's reasonable in terms of intensity but yeah, pain never really stops
I wish you the best of luck to get cured at some point, tho it's probably just as unlikely for you to get helped for it.
This is true for whatever you are doing, including work. When things seem to get worse the more you do it, it’s a sign you need a break.
2 years ago, I pushed myself too hard on a tournament, and gave up in the middle of a map. As I have been playing osu! with almost no breaks since 2014, I was used to being in a bit of pain. That day, however, was different. I remember I could not even flip a page of a book with my left hand without experiencing some very, very intense pain. It got a bit better after a few painful days. Now, I avoid high BPM maps and overall pp grind. I also very much agree with that 'base level pain' that never goes away even when doing absolutely nothing. So ye - these things should be taken seriously, because even something people casually joke about in the community can become very real.
The weird thing about injury is that it can be hard to fight against if you're unsure of what to do.
Personally I take frequent breaks, even inbetween singular beatmaps. Also stretches are good.
When I played with tablet, I often used my wrist to aim entirely and it started hurting even when trying to fc shorter maps, so before it got too bad I just decided to aim with mouse, and after I got used to it, it felt much much better (especially because i subconsciously use way more of my arm to aim). If you don't want to go all out transitioning into mouse or other input devices I can recommend trying for a larger tablet area and see if that helps anything.
It's harder to gauge the damage in the left for me because you'd have to kind of differentiate between genuine pain from strain, and just fatigue.
I ended up with rsi stuff too from playing too much osu! back in Oct-Nov 2020 and to this day (June 15th 2023) i still experience constant pain that never went or will go away
i feel this on a very very intense level. I was top 35 in Italy on osu-mania! playing almost 3/4 hours everyday at some point, I even grew my channel by a lot, lots of people coming in and checking me out, being supportive too, and the most ironic thing is that the game that cause my injury is sitting in my channel right now, as my best play ever...
been almost almost 3 years since i stopped playing, this game is far different from other games, so don't take what he's saying lightly since this game CAN very well suck your life off if you don't manage it.
I'm in your situation, i've been grinding SO much this month and in the past 3 days I haven't even set a 200pp play (my top is 369.) So I keep grinding out of frustration and im getting worse and worse. I just need to take a long break, thankfully I have no pain. Hope you someday get better
Yeah even if you aren't injuring yourself you're definitely at a point where you need to take a break in order to improve! Circle addiction is real but you can definitely overcome it with a bit of willpower. Btw, getting worse with no pain for a while is exactly how my injury started, you should not take that lightly.
That's true, a contender for #1 _index lost his HR skills to injury after playing speed, he already had it prior to Speed practice, but it did become worse
Can relate to this video so much. Made my account 2019 august and got to my peak rank 2020 august at 40k ish and loved playing 220-240 bpm stream map and started feeling pain with my my tapping arm.
Kept playing until it felt like every tap caused pain and haven’t touched the game since then. I found the reason for me may have been correlated to smoking and having low bone density after taking calcium and stretching the past two years my pain seems to have disappeared.
I found wearing arm sleeves and having elevation on the arm helps a lot as well. Don’t play osu anymore but can still play fps without pain mostly. Hope u recover bro
This is also the same reason for me that i stopped play osu
Is mostly will be addicted bc of clicking circles and no sign of stop playing bc we can be obsessed of something very indiring and excitement of setting new play or top plays
Thank you Dohop for the warning for all osu! players and community as a whole o7
Thank you This is exactly what I needed to hear
I feel you. I've been playing Geometry Dash for about 3 years and I've got 2 tendinitis on my right hand, which made me quit for a whole year basically.
An advice I got is to increase your playtime really slowly. You CAN play 5h a day if you start with 1 or 2 and increase really slowly. Your hand are full of muscle that just need to adapt to the effort you're asking them to do.
Recovery is not fun and not being able to play while in your peak is the worst feeling ever. But don't give up yet. And please y'all, be careful with hand injuries, it can be serious as hell. I got lucky my tendinitis are 80-90% possible to heal, that's not always the case.
I recently had a minor tendon injury to one knuckle from mania. The pain is pretty much gone now, so i still play once every 3 or 4 days. First a week break helped, and stretching my hands did seem to prevent further injury. I'll keep doing that. I'm very sorry that you've had a permanent injury, thanks for giving good advice. Have a blessed day.
I can't stress enough how heartbreaking the feeling is. I was a mania player once, i could ace a couple of 3 stars, it was when I was approaching top 20k and doing 4-5stars a lot that I started to feel a slowdown and weakness of my left hand. It saddened me so I quickly gave up mania (2020 September) and looked to standard because I was decent with it. I bought a tablet and same thing when I approached high 4 stars - stars, my finger couldn't stream properly anymore. My left index finger feels very weak. I took a break from osu entirely (2022 january) came back a month later without any improvement.
Not just osu, but typing with my left hand index finger is so hard and really a struggle. Sometimes I struggle to lift basic objects like plates.
I peaked mania (21k) and std (173k). I was embarrassed at first because I have this problem as a six digit but I accepted it because recently, the middle nerve on my right hand (yes my right hand has it also) hurt everytime I try to hold my phone. It subsided after an hour but it was traumatic.
If you are playing osu and reading this, please do know your limits. Not everyone can be a top player. I am not trying to discourage you, but please be careful.
I still play osu today but I am limited to 3-4 stars. My reading is improving but my tapping hand and stamina is not. Please do take care 🙂
My osu profile for those curious:
SuperCorn - (left this account out of shame)
Qwarks - made this to test how bad my skill is compared to a few years back to see my true rank (I mainly play on this account casually)
I play with middle finger and ring finger now, hard asf to stream :(
Yeah, I had a same problem dude. But my mindset just told me that I'm just that bad and now I didnt play osu that much (actually never was). My max session is 1 hour and then I just tired. I cant even find motivation to play more. Sad story for the both side, and for me, and for you. I wish you luck dude!
The first instance of osu where play less is actually better than play more
as an ex #300 global rank player, that also got an injury on my tapping hand from early 2016 to almost 2017, I can tell you it's the worst thing ever to have a very fast paced improvement and then be gone for a year. That cut off my career so much, and if I had just been a little bit smarter maybe I was able to get to #30 instead of #300 :)
Be careful! My thoughts are that if you wake up the next day, and osu! pain is still there, STOP IMMEDIATELY! and go to a doctor ASAP.
Thank you Duhop for making this video :D
I relate with you so much man. In 2020 I started my taiko/osu taiko grind since we were home all day because of the pandemic. Around early 2021 I strained my right wrist from my extensive hours of playing and took a break. I have gone from playing everyday to once or twice every month of taiko. I still do love the game very much but I do not play as often due to my injury
100% an important message that people need to hear. I played a long while ago (2012-2015, hit about 2400 global, top 100 US), and when I finished playing, I had full-blown RSI. The pain has decreased but has never gone away. I have DeQuervain's Tensynovitis and Cubital Tunnel Syndrome. I have to ice my hands most days after wrapping up work (I use my computer most days) and may someday need surgery to really fix the issues. I've got some muscle degradation in my left hand as well, and writing with my right hand (my pen hand) causes pain after a few lines.
back in 2021 when covid was at its peak, i’d play daily for hours on end. i noticed some pain but i didn’t think much of it until everyday activities became difficult. i found out that i developed rsi in my wrist area and since that day, even though the pain is gone, i’ve noticed a decrease in stability in my wrist. so please, if you’re experiencing discomfort, listen to your body and take a break.
literally my exact situation last year, I was playing for 6+ hours everyday and making good progress every time. But at some point i wasnt playing at my usual skill and my hand would be sore after a session of playing until it turned to pain even if i play osu for 10 mins. i tried to stretch b4 playing, changing my area and position( just like what you did) but to no avail. luckily i slowly stopped playing after i thought i had carpal tunnel( i had some symptoms) and stopped to focus on school. hearing your story im very fortunate to stop to take a break before it was too late. one year later and i started playing osu again while taking more precautions than last time.
i had a lot of problems with this too, thankfully i managed to recover. i hope someday you recover too or at least it doesnt go worse my friend.
I just wanna say thanks for the warning it really helped because just recently ive been having trouble with my arm feeling really tingly and a bit of wrist pain probably because of all the VSRG's that i play and me trying to improve my stamina but really though thanks for the warning it helped
Thanks dude, i am currently a little stressed in Osu! and i play worse lastly, i will take a break now but i also think i should use the Video khz recommended for Hand Exercises to prevent any Injures but i think that might not work fully anymore since i already have heavy Pain on both Hands. idk i just hope i can still play Osu! after the break cuz i finally started to see improvement and i wan't to get even better, yeah that needs to wait.
Hope You Get Better Soon Bro
i used to play a lot of osu!mania, never really worried about injuring myself as i peaked around 120pp or so, top 60k, plus i stretched for the flexibility, even so i just started to lose skill due to lacking talent for the game and having took a day break of not so intense osuing and so i just got discouraged from playing any more as i physically lacked the capability to get to where i was previously
either way i really hope you recover, and make sure to take care of yourself
I stopped playing religiously a couple years back because I started to get a sharp pain in the palm area of my thumb in the hand I hold my pen. I play hovering and I notice how bad my cursor shakes lol
I only ever achieved past the 50k mark but now I can't imagine what it's like being a 5 digit player again or even getting to the point where I left off
Thanks for sharing your experience! hope ur injury heals
Totally messed up my hand by playing too much osu! and although it goes away it still comes back if i play the game for more than an hour. There is a difference between stress and harm when it comes to your limits, know when to log off! Thanks for sharing this side of the game.
I play 4k and even though im not a competitive player i have a golden rule of no more than 3 hard songs back to back. Usually 2-3 chill songs in between depending on just how demanding the songs i just played we're
I started playing osu in Sept 2020. Around Dec 2020 my forearms started hurting. I played a lot less that month, but continued to play in the coming months. However, the forearm pain didnt go away and continued to get worse and worse until around Feb to March 2021 it was some of the worst pain Ive experienced in my life and it was there for basically every second I was awake. Sometimes I would just lie in bed miserably in pain and unwilling to get up.
I tried doing all of the hand and wrist exercises recommended to osu players and got a wrist brace, but they didnt help much.
Thankfully, around April to May, I found out a method of stretching that was able to relieve the tightness in my forearm muscles. To do the stretch, you face your palm up, put your other palm on top of it, and push the palm thats facing up down and in with your other palm. The most important part of the stretch is to resist the push with the palm facing up. I didnt know it at the time, but this stretch is basically a PNF stretch.
Now I'm finishing out my third year of playing osu, thankfully without any other chronic pain issues.
Osu is a really physically intensive and injurious game. It's unfortunate that our understanding of the arm, wrist, and hands isnt good enough to prevent and heal osu gaming injuries.
Hopefully, Ill never have to deal with nerve issues. Those seem extremely difficult to heal.
I find the best indicator of getting better is getting more comfortable with maps. It's not worth doing well on a map if it's uncomfortable doing it, because you won't be able to play that way consistently. You need to use a tapping and aim style that is comfortable, if you can't manage to play the map while doing that, it isn't worth playing.
basically, don't give up your hand health for a temporary unsustainable boost in ability
"get yourself some Canadian healthcare!" My new favorite insult.
Thank you so much for making this video, it means a lot to the osu community. I hope you recover really really soon!
God bless you. ❤
Heyo Duhop! I am sorry for the permanent injury to your hand- while I dont play Osu! I am a 3 digit in Beat Saber the other funny rhythm game that trades timing for physical movement. I can relate towards having pain and getting frustrated and pushing through. I know the mindset of "If I stop playing I wont be able to play the same again." So I havent ever really taken a break. Though I havent had anything permanent happen yet, I am worried though that sooner than later something could happen and I will end up not being able to play.
as a former beat saber player, please take care of your body, its a really physical game and neglecting it caused me to have shit rsi for a year from claw grip
@@anthipoison1951 As an Index player I dont worry about the injuries related to claw grip
yea, I once noticed I was starting to get the symptoms of a pinched nerve in my aiming hand, so I took a break, and when I came back, I would follow a random 5-8 minute hand stretch exercise video on youtube before my session, and maybe it was placebo, but I found that I improved more, as well as never having similar symptoms since
ive been playing osu for a few years with a pre existing diagnosis of carpal tunnel so i really do appreciate this video. thank you for spreading awareness about health concerns from osu as i know a few who had stopped playing because of it and of course i have to play with restrictions and take a slow pace with the game. good stuff man
much love man. pc rhythm games are plagued with youngsters going too hard on their game chasing improvement and paying the price for life with their hand health. i genuinely think there needs wayy more awareness about injury prevention and preserving hand health while also allowing for people to enjoy the game.
thanks for making this video and sharing your experience.
2013 boomer here. Ive never been great with steams / stamina. It took a lot of time and practice to get anywhere with finger control but eventually id say it turned into the skill i was best at. Around 2020-2021 i was experiencing the same downwards trend (hell probably before that even) but for me it was my tapping hand. I tried everything to stop it. switching to alt fully, pushing stamina more than usual, thinking that if i played stuff out of my comfort zone id develope my finger control and stamina and be better than before. I wouldn't necessarily say it's bad advice to play stuff slightly above your comfort zone but i made the mistake of ignoring hand health. I'd play for as long as i could get away with, with little breaks and stretches only when id remember them.
I ended up needing to quit due to pain from just a few sessions trying to grind stuff like "i love you more everytime you die", "just hold on", and "ice angel"
Initially it was just my finger locking more and more and my acc going, eventually it turned into constant aching at night and soon after just constant aching in general. It has improved since ive taken a break but i still have pains, pins and needles, and numbness that can be caused by something as little as straining to open a shaker cup thats stuck or putting too much weight on my hand.
For now I'll be playing casually at best with likely long breaks in between, if my pain improves there's still some unfinished scores I'd like to get.
Anyone who may find themselves in the same downward trend:
Take a break. Give it a few weeks, reset your mental and give your hand some time to rest.
I've seen a few videos to this topic and i gotta say i do notice that i have the same Symptomes. Just as you named some of the symptomes i noticed that i had them too an i still do to this day. I didnt completaly stop yet, i took a break before tho. I only play when i feel like i can handle it, i dont continue when i get th pain. What ive learned is that you really shouldnt overdo it, especially in osu. Ive never had a high rank anyway (peak 220K rn) but even with that injuries are still important to take care of.
The pain and symptomes have reflected on my gameplay a lot. Before the injury i managed to stream around 250 bps-ish but now i have difficulties with passing every burst. Please take care of yourself when you notice hand pain or any other pain, it is really important and might cost you giving up your favorite game :(
Thank you for the video, this will help so many people, im sure of it! Get well yeah :D
sorry for the first line i didnt notice i said it twice LMAO (bpm*)
Thank you for letting me know about this because I'm an osu!mania vibro main and if I didn't know of this then I probably would've gotten injured by now
since summer started ive been gaming way more and im starting to feel pain throughout my arms. this video helps me a lot! without it id probably keep straining myself but now i know to really be more careful
Tbh, i just play a day or two and then take breaks and it just works, the point is to have self control and know when to stop.
Once pain starts, you need to have a break until you recover or simple excersive enough to be able of handle it, there is many ways but be surw that thanks to this, this will make me a reminder to be not injure me in thw future even if i play mania
I’m addicted to osu! But I’ve stopped playing for PP about a year ago and it made the game more fun for me. I play how I want, when I want. If I don’t want to tap, I just play relax. If I wanna play low star maps, that’s what I will play (same with higher star maps), etc. I think getting too caught up in trying to gain PP is what hurts many people and so I decided I wouldn’t do that. Haven’t gained a single PP since I got my top play worth 300PP on DT marathon map.
for me it wasn't my hands, but my eyes. When I played, I wouldn't blink and I would play until my eyes were burning and as much as I tried to close my eyes during breaks, the only thing that helped me was taking breaks. I don't play much osu anymore except for the occasional hour once every few weeks.
I have carpal tunnel syndrome for 3-4 months now and I still feel the numbness and when I overwork may hands, there's a pain in my wrist. I stopped playing osu and other games that requires a keyboard. When you feel it's improving, don't go back until it's completely healed and play the game in moderation. I'm lucky myself that my hands can still function, I hope this won't get worse.
my mantra for this game is its a marathon, not a sprint, and that has helped me get through the urge to play more even though im in pain a lot
as a brit i know the pain of having to wait insane amounts of time for the most normal doctors appointments
bro i get your pain, I haven't played as long as you but I started spamming speed and then my index finger doesn't tap aswell after taking a break from the summer. it feels unstable but there's no pain but everything about my arm is fine. even now when I'm typing my index finger on my left hand does not type well cus it's so unstable
Literally took 'PLAY MORE' to a whole new level