Science of SCOOP - Difference with SWING

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
  • What is the SCOOP in skateboarding? Let's scientifically analyze it by using 3D models.
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    -- Table of Contents --
    00:00 Intro
    00:31 Scoop and Swing in Shove-it
    01:15 What is Swing?
    02:56 What is Scoop in BS spin?
    04:51 What is Scoop in FS spin?
    05:44 Science of keeping board under body
    08:25 Mechanism of human body in Scooping
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Комментарии • 44

  • @Kallum
    @Kallum 6 месяцев назад +5

    A few years ago i discovered twisting my ankle while swinging my leg backward is the key to getting treflips (relatively) effortlessly, this is literally what i explain to anyone who asks how i do treflips. Very fun to watch someone else actually explaining this thoroughly

  • @buttbuttwhat1
    @buttbuttwhat1 6 месяцев назад +7

    This is amazing. I don’t think people appreciate how much science and math are happening in skateboarding. A video on wallies would be cool!

  • @keapaishere
    @keapaishere 6 месяцев назад +24

    Imagine your in science class and the teacher says “today we will learn about momentum” does anyone skate in here “?

  • @Resonance66
    @Resonance66 6 месяцев назад +1

    A big thing I never noticed till I started weight lifting is how crucial it is to keep a good form/posture when executing tricks. This alone has helped me land things ive never been able to do for years, shoulder alignment is a big thing to pay attention too

  • @mstunameow
    @mstunameow 6 месяцев назад +3

    This is a very good one, especially the parts about scooping frontside and how you have to adjust yr perception of what popping straight down will do

  • @NativeAmericanSwag
    @NativeAmericanSwag 6 месяцев назад +1

    I'm learning more here then in college, thank you!

  • @brandonvanasten9913
    @brandonvanasten9913 5 месяцев назад

    Helpful. Wish you showed the clips in goofy footing too. But still helpful for sure. Thanks

  • @theyard6958
    @theyard6958 5 месяцев назад

    Just found your channel. Just subscribed! Amazing explanation and examples. Thank you.

  • @mRSasha-dv3mb
    @mRSasha-dv3mb 6 месяцев назад +1

    This video has some great insight into how the board moves when you pop it different ways. Ive been trying to figure out how to do fs 360 pop shuvits and i realized that i havent been scooping the board ive just swiped it harder.

  • @feintxdd
    @feintxdd 5 месяцев назад

    Very very useful content. Some amazing tips and i think a big issue i have rn is that i've been practising "still" for ages until i get that thing down and then start doing it moving, which then takes just as much time to relearn lol.

  • @fyjypko4207
    @fyjypko4207 6 месяцев назад

    Your tutorials helped me a lot more than any other. You dont just say what you need to do exactly, you also explain why and how and the blender graphics really help my mind wrap around what i should be doing and what im doing wrong. I can easily compare myself to the graphics if im doing something really different. Dont stop i love your vids

  • @DazHagen
    @DazHagen 6 месяцев назад +4

    thanks for sharing, really enjoy the content. I have been wondering for a while how the scoop works in a treflip. since I can do pop-shovits very well and also kickflips, heelflips, backside and frontside 180s.. I keep struggling with the flip rotation in a treflip, but can rotate 360 degrees every try.. i think your information will help a lot. keep up the good work

  • @alexkiddforlife
    @alexkiddforlife 6 месяцев назад

    wait what why is this channel
    so good?! I hope it reaches lots of people! most helpful and thoughtful approach ive seen ever on skate tricks
    usually people just mimic what they heard about when they try to teach a trick even if it was exactly how they learned it (cant blame them, its really hard to track back the learning, its a skill!). its refreshing to see someone taking their time to really put some work thinking and demonstrating these.
    so inspiring!!!

  • @leeentertainmentchannel247
    @leeentertainmentchannel247 5 месяцев назад

    Thats a great analysis. Ima try it this week domo arigato

  • @zonertube
    @zonertube 6 месяцев назад +8

    Bro, can u make a video why the board moving far forward/back after the scoop? Most people including you throw the board forward about 50cm after doing a 360 shove/flip , but some pro's like nyjah can land 360 flip at the same spot when he scoop it

    • @amdg01007
      @amdg01007 5 месяцев назад

      If you pop the scoop backwards you don’t need to apply pressure or flick as much in the front, and vise versa.
      Hope that helps

    • @amdg01007
      @amdg01007 5 месяцев назад

      That’s why you don’t Nyjah do tre to blunt, nose grind, overcrook, prob cuz he’s most skilled doing them where the back foot is responsible for more of the control

    • @amdg01007
      @amdg01007 5 месяцев назад

      Also notice with noille center of gravity is more forward but not as much as it’s more backwards when ur in normal stance; because which direction ur moving in matters as well and requires less force hint nollie needs less. So since a tre is back foot heavy because two thirds of its motion are created by the back foot, naturally we push them forward usually to compensate and most people aren’t very skilled so they overdo it/ can’t do it backwards.
      But one should master all of possible

  • @doctorworm3735
    @doctorworm3735 6 месяцев назад

    2:23 i was not landing any tricks until i discovered that the back foot also helps lift my body. That is why i was just kicking the front of my board but not popping. I thought i just had to kick my board harder to make it pop. My foot hurts

  • @barisharslan6115
    @barisharslan6115 6 месяцев назад +1

    great video. still working on getting backside pop shuvs consistent. but this helps a lot thinking about the toes rotating to do the scoop. and especially the tip you gave of scooping at the very last moment when only your toe is making contact with the board, that makes so much sense.

  • @Rhakka1
    @Rhakka1 6 месяцев назад

    I have been looking for awhile for this very topic! Thank you!

  • @Zombie__Homegirl
    @Zombie__Homegirl 6 месяцев назад +1

    Most valuable skate video 2023. Now go get that pop😂I’m trying so hard to regain that. The more you try/practice. The more muscle memory kicks in. Then you find your flick;)-And flick it
    Whip it
    Don’t break it 😂but a little . You know your human like this☑️🎊😆💚🕯️❤merry Xmas-Ya’llzies🎅🏽

  • @rotisseriechickenlover-jb4cc
    @rotisseriechickenlover-jb4cc 6 месяцев назад

    awesome video man

  • @emiliocalise4699
    @emiliocalise4699 6 месяцев назад

    Best videos❤

  • @fuckmyego
    @fuckmyego 6 месяцев назад +2

    you could make an entire video on just how to keep it under you.

  • @Faerondal
    @Faerondal 2 месяца назад

    Youre the man

  • @haroldcampos9661
    @haroldcampos9661 6 месяцев назад +1

    I’ve been trying to get front shuv-its casually lately, and for me I just pretend that I’m going for a front 180 and go from there. You know how hardflips you have to pretend you’re going for a frontside flip? Just like that. Also the swing motion you describe reminds me of like a scissor kick. I guess maybe something like an inward heel?
    Also the knee does move forward but you have to think of it from a neutral position. To me the knee moves in 8 directions, but really 16. (Well, the foot does which is ultimately the goal.) When you ollie you don’t bend the knee inwards and fold your ankle like the puppet maybe could, but it does shoot directly out and upwards. And then the foot comes after, think big ass ollie. You’re using the whole leg. If you wear a hinged knee brace you could still do tricks but it’s not the same. It’s all like a compound movement and moving your knee is natural. But it has a middle point and it’s not leg straight. Leg straight is one stretch away from hyperextension. Remember your ligaments is built to stabilize you, but it’s never JUST the hinge motion. You do have some range and power below the knee, and could even work on it (like quads).
    One thing I’ve been doing lately for tricks is like a double squat I don’t know if you’ve experienced this.

    • @haroldcampos9661
      @haroldcampos9661 6 месяцев назад

      Also I say 16 movements because if you keep your knee bent and move your whole leg from the hip, there’s your 16 (knee) movements. You can still place your foot in the same directions. I watched p.rod explain varial heels and that informed my ideas a bit. For the front foot, he says ‘lead with the knee’… and I found it useful later when trying to analyze my own mobility and form a basic concept of ergonomic knee movement as it applies to my skating. He’s not using his knee to get his foot to the point where you flick the board, but using that specific knee movement as a compound movement to get a fs rotation going without a scoop. (This is probably closer to what you call a swing movement.)
      Also the movement you are doing with the back leg is not in this second area, because you are twisting the leg (still from the hip) but like if you are going to sit indian style (crosslegged) or as if going to do butterflies (the stretch movement used for flexors) or any movement like that. This kind of movement is totally normal for the knee too. And I consider it primary and then comes the more stable knee movement. The knee doesn’t really go anywhere so I feel crazy explaining the foot and saying ‘knee’, but I am very much fixated on why the knee lol.
      Also you can combine the movements to make many compound movements, by following the same line of thinking.
      Also there's an old video with ben dregros and he explains how his pop is more of a slap motion. his foot and tail never touch the ground at the same time, only the tail as he gives it a quick slap with the tip of his toe as he's extending his body for the jump. I think it's interesting and I can't say if the claims apply to my ollies, but he seems to prove it with footage. I wonder what you think about this? Also from watching your tre flip videos and seeing you scoop it sideways I determind that I could pop it sideways (for the pop shuvit) but mostly by scraping on the tail during that moment instead of letting it flip. That's obviously a pop with more contact, which I feel also helps me stay balanced after swinging my leg after the pop and scrape. I usually catch these with no flips and no slip-outs. So I know there's a place and time for a full contact pop. But there might be a 'slap' type of pop out there. Sometimes from random videos I glean weird stuff. Like the knee moving out to allow you to bend your ankle enough for the ollie, to get a good contact patch on the front foot. I found a video linked to a reddit post (99% of New Skaters Get This WRONG About OLLIES!), and someone explains this. And I was like, "damn, yeah".
      The type of things I wish I could see you explain one day are like fs reverts, and power kickflips, like to practice flip out of slides. A buddy explained to me once how to bs revert and he said "just throw your hip all the way into it". I didn't own bag of suck, someone I knew did, but I remember someone in that video does a fs revert in a line very cleanly. But the trick eludes me, and I can't explain it. There's also an easy version where you pivot on the front truck, that's not what I mean at all.

    • @haroldcampos9661
      @haroldcampos9661 6 месяцев назад

      Two more tips I use that I'd like to share with you from my own notes (I do a lot of ollie'ing right now),
      I noticed sometimes one can pop really close to the concave, away from the edge of the tail. you can see it in yuto's 'yuto show' part and the 'one line' video showing attempts, the nosegrind nollie flip out, the camera is really close to the tail. seems like a very straight pop and natural stance. It's like the anti-scoop stance. This just works when the situation calls for a straight pop. I use it a lot now. (I wouldn't wanna talk too much about his techniques because whatever he's doing is working and he's in his prime and I wouldn't wanna jinx it if he were to read my dumb analysis, haha)
      Another tip that helps me overall is the one in this video... 'Should you look at your board or the obstacle when you ollie?' I just went back to find where I picked up that techique as I couldn't remember. Couldn't recommend that clip more. Ollied up a drop today using this and it felt so good! And kickflip down the same drop last week. A good mechanism for how to look down at that griptape is so valuable. If I rode up to a drop focused on my griptape the whole time I would say 'f this' and bail.
      Almost got some frontside reverts also, on fresh blacktop, but still impossible for me on the sidewalk.

  • @ItzPoisonZ
    @ItzPoisonZ 6 месяцев назад

    Laser flip science next?

  • @seniknine
    @seniknine 6 месяцев назад

    Thia video was like something Simon Phoenix was watching when they thawed him out.

  • @fyzel4248
    @fyzel4248 6 месяцев назад

    pls do how to looking when doing trick !!!!!

  • @forwork2601
    @forwork2601 6 месяцев назад

    I don’t understand the scoop. If you are regular and use your back foot to scoop, wouldn’t the board turn more like a pressure flip. Like how does the board turn in a kickflip manner when you’re pushing your back foot the other way

    • @whythetrick
      @whythetrick  6 месяцев назад

      Please refer to this.
      How do Treflips REALLY work?
      ruclips.net/video/gOC7PpTMYug/видео.html

  • @prackprackprack4169
    @prackprackprack4169 6 месяцев назад

    Why is a frontside impossible so rare and difficult to achieve? Not a front foot impossible, but a wrapped frontside 360 board spin, performed entirely with the back foot

  • @garrettlemieux4620
    @garrettlemieux4620 6 месяцев назад

    How does this relate to hardflips

  • @S1E2SportQuattro
    @S1E2SportQuattro 6 месяцев назад

    This guy sounds like goosiest

  • @sonnyrico
    @sonnyrico 5 месяцев назад

    Sounds like ai talking, couldn't watch the rest because of that

    • @whythetrick
      @whythetrick  5 месяцев назад +1

      Haha I’ll take it as a compliment.