My theory is that Ruan Mei is going to create a new aeon to absorb the abundance but there is a massive flaw in that. because of the Hooh the Equilibrium. there is a theory that aeons comes in pairs. So if ruan mei create a new aeon when Yaoshi is absorbed the new aeon is just going to be another Yaoshi. Xianzhou will have to hunt the new aeon. And the cycle would go on. My crack theory is that they have to kill two aeons(a pair)
They could hunt the destruction and maybe when that does happen lan could also hunt oroboros or the swarm as well depends if they’re still alive but it just depends on
@@baddieb7276 Yes, the Hunt would just switch targets to another path and Hunt down the destruction instead. Theories suggest that Ruan Mei and the Alliance will use the remains to create a new Aeon to ascend and assimilate the Abundance using the Propagation's remains, similar to what happen with Order and Harmony. Something like Creation; a path that is conceptually wider than Abundance and Propogation. Just because a new Aeon is born doesn't mean that they have to make another immediately. Beauty is still missing, as is Voracity.
I saw a TikTok video about the Godslayer Protocol, Permanence/ Propagation/ Abundance are all connected . Long may have found the true meaning of life therefore he became the Vidyadhara. And left the Path Aeonless . Tayzzyronth split the path and therefore created the Propagation Yaoshi split the path AGAIN from Propagation. Propagation represents the continuous of one’s life Abundance represents the noble ambition to ensure the safety of the universe i.e. Immortality, Eternal Fruits , Medecine . So if Jingliu and Luocha some how figured out that the Propagation is the progenitor of the Abundance and Luocha carries a segment of the divine body of Tayzzyronth then they could in theory, weaken the Path to an extent that maybe “Immortality” doenst work anymore
Given my complete knowledge of every single piece of Jingliu lore there is (not joking), I have 3 things to point out. While I tried to make this short, this explains most of the Godslayer Protocol from 3 key points related to the video, so forgive me as it’s kinda long for a YT comment. Enjoy: First, Jingliu and Luocha are probably allying themselves with the Xianzhou not because they truly need their strength, but because it’s more convenient. The Xianzhou aims to restore the cycle of life and death by following Lan, but are caught in an endless paradox where they’re simply upholding the already existing cycle of life and death. Jingliu wants to truly end this cycle, but realized that she has to replace it with something else (as a simple war can’t end it), and that’s where Luocha and Ruan Mei come in: they’re not just gonna kill or replace Yaoshi, but Lan as well, to make a new cycle of life and death. Now, what is the Swarm disaster described as in the databank? A cycle of life and death, caused by mortal desire (more on this in point 2), that caused a war among Aeons. They don’t need the Xianzhou per se, as the Swarm (and other calamities) is fated to return and this will provide an opportunity to interact more easily with the Aeons (and change the cycle of life and death). They want the Xianzhou’s help because their goals are aligned, and it would be smoother for them to join forces rather than engage in a one-for-all war between Emanators and Aeons. The Xianzhou isn’t necessary to kill Yaoshi, but it’s more convenient if they join forces (rather than, for example, Jingliu and Luocha fighting Shuhu to get to Yaoshi, while Shuhu is also fighting the Xianzhou, and the Xianzhou wants to arrest Jingliu, and Phantylia inserts herself in the middle. Plus the IPC being interested and whatnot. A messy one-for-all. Plus Jingliu isn’t really an enemy of the Xianzhou despite her status, so they have no reason to fight each other). 2. Jingliu and Luocha technically don’t need the Xianzhou’s help in killing Yaoshi, like I said, as they don’t need brute force. This is for 2 reasons. Lingsha and Luocha have repeated the exact same line: the Abundance can’t be killed by brute force, not even by an Aeon, as long as mortals desire immortality. (So Kafka’s 2 known ways of killing an Aeon won’t work on Yaoshi, leaving the unknown 3rd… Jingliu’s revelation). This echoes the Swarm disaster being fated to return since it was born from mortal desire; Tayzzyronth was “killed”, but not actually, and will return regardless. The Abundance would be the same. Brute force isn’t a permanent solution, just as the Abundance is still a threat despite Jingliu literally destabilising their entire faction for 700 years, which brings me to the next point: if they need brute force, Jingliu already has plenty. She’s their biggest legend after all, and contextually found a way to overpower Emanators when she saved the Luofu and was exiled (but she still can’t remove Shuhu’s immortality, because she can’t rid the entire Path of Abundance with brute force). Besides, Luocha literally says Jingliu has long since obtained the power to split heaven and earth. What is Feixiao’s life goal? To split heaven and earth, aka retracing Jingliu’s steps when she was still the Sword Champion (trying to overpower the followers of Abundance alone, not seeing the bigger picture). Which is also why I assume that Shuhu will return during the trial and Jingliu will save us with her mythical might, which explains why Jingliu is so confident in her proposal, but enough about that. 3. As the cycle of life and death (and the fate of the various Paths governing these concepts) becomes important, I hope Jingliu’s remaining secrets will become a key in this. We’ve already had a lot of focus on Luocha’s coffin, but not that much on Jingliu’s “revelation” despite Jingliu being the stated leader of the plan, and Luocha literally saying it’s Jingliu’s “revelation” that will allow them to achieve what he calls impossible (killing Yaoshi). So what are Jingliu’s secrets? She received the gaze of an Aeon. She solved the mara when she obtained her “revelation”. Her body is frozen. She claims to have both obtained and become a metaphysical sword beyond all mortal means, which she also calls a stolen sliver of moonlight (celestial objects=Aeons). And she has yet to truly take off her blindfold, one among many details that suggest a transformation. So unless they wanna butcher her, these secrets will be a key part alongside the coffin in how they aim to kill Yaoshi, which would fit well as a big reveal when their arc begins with the trial (and Shuhu’s return, maybe). So what could this be? I believe she either stole part of an Aeon’s power or figured out how to become one herself, and that’s why her body is frozen. Her body is her sword and that halts the mara, but she has yet to fully remove it; because she has yet to fully transform. The terrible price she’s gonna pay, worse than eternal torment, is either self-sacrifice or becoming an Aeon to replace Lan. Her achievements may offer a clue about her final transformation: absolute zero, the absence of all energy. By becoming an Aeon of Death (or something) she can truly “kill” the Abundance by removing the very energy it’s sustained by, and then Luocha/Ruan Mei will create a new Aeon of Life (Abundance/Propagation/Permanence) that will fulfill the Yin/Yang trope in the cycle of life and death. This would “kill” both the Abundance and the Swarm permanently (hopefully it’s not just a repeat of absorbing one Aeon into the other or sealing them, as that’s a well-known possibility already, but a different and actual “death”). Bonus point: Jingliu becoming an Aeon of Death/Godslaying, governing the life and death of Aeons and mortals alike, would explain why Kafka wants the “power of the Hunt” against Nanook when Lan has already proven to be unable to kill Yaoshi (plus, Aeons can’t truly die… yet). And why Elio considered Blade’s swordsmanship (Jingliu’s) to be important. Jingliu’s remaining secrets are gonna be the key factor in this war among Aeons, both against Nanook and Yaoshi, to break cycles instead of endlessly repeating them. Or Jingliu isn’t gonna become an Aeon at all, and the ultimate godslayer technique is just using Tayzzyronth’s remains to seal Aeons forever, which would also work on Nanook - idk. But I have no good theories besides Jingliu replacing Lan as a true concept of “death” in the cycle of life and death, and I’d find it boring if they just plan to overwhelm an Aeon with brute force or use a pre-existing seal to seal them. We’ll see. That’s what I think, but there are other worthwhile theories, and smaller details I didn’t mention. For example, who did Jingliu receive the gaze of? Now that’s a long discussion, which ties heavily into the (current) plot holes of the story. She could even be pursuing something entirely different than becoming an Aeon, and might’ve been empowered by Terminus (the only Aeon that’s able to “kill” other Aeons, but that’s also a long discussion, also tied to HI3 lore so it’s even trickier). The above theory is my best and most coherent for Jingliu, including most of the mysteries of her lore while staying true to her progression, but doesn’t fully explain every detail in her own lore and only lays the outline for her allies’ roles in this. It’s not a bad theory if I say so myself, but it could definitely change, especially if the remaining reveals turn out to be completely different from what they seem. So we’ll see.
To the question of wich aeon gazed upon Jingliu, isn't the most obvious answer the rememberance ? Mara struck usually lose their memories of before being mara struck be she still has hers, ice seems to be linked the power of the rememberance and also that bit about being a metaphysical sword remind me of the servant of rememberance who are memetic entities with no physical bodies like black swan. We already know the rememberance has a bigger role in the wide univers, with that bit about collecting and preserving memories for the next univers, but I'm not too sure what killing yaoshi has to do with it.
i think the most logical plan they might heading toward is creating a half aeon or you could call it a fake or pseudo aeon, basically they want to create something that have the power infinitely close or on par with aeon level but not the full responsibility and restriction of aeonhood. There is a few benefit and reason why i think this going to be the case: - it much easier to create something near aeon then trying to create a full aeon or ascending yourself. this approach of going for a pseudo aeon would lower the difficulty significantly - Aeon r bound to their concept/path, they would have lost some form of free will or even their original personality or conscious which would derail the plan as there is no way they can control a full aeon, even if they create the weakest aeon possible - by not become a full aeon, it would be easier to control, execute the plan and even suppress if anything go wrong with the newly pseudo aeon - And within honkaiverse, from ggz and hi3 to hsr, there have been many examples of pseudo god (god=aeon, same type of being but different name within honkaiverse), few recent prime example i can list r Fake God Otto, Finality Kiana and in hsr, Sunday embryo of philosophy which is basically just few step away from full aeonhood => in conclusion, a pseudo aeon would likely be the best choice for the plan, lower difficulty, easier for control and higher chance of success
I feel like Ruan Mei will have some sort of contingency plan. You never know, space is bloody enormous and she may have found some other SAM units somewhere.
3:49 mortals can't really weaken an aeon though, because they don't even exist on the same plane as us. What they might be able to damage is merely one of the many vessels the aeon can possess. What I've come up with, however, is that they're trying to reawaken Tayzzyronth to assimilate Yaoshi like what Xipe did to Ena, and then drag Nanook and the legion and possibly Qlipoth into the battle to reseal Tayzzyronth once again, basically Swarm Disaster 2.0
It could have something to do with the Honkai as Sparkle recently appeared in the main story of Hi3 PArt 2 along with a memokeeper, so it is likey Ruan Mei got her hands on a herrscher core and is using it to build a weapon.
@@sanejingliufanThat's literally impossible, as nobody in current time is a Herrscher but Kiana. She has sealed away 99% of the Honkai into the moon alongside her, including Herrscher authorities. Only Kiana can grant Herrscher authorities as Finality, meaning you would need Kiana's permission to obtain a new active Herrscher core, which Kiana wouldn't just create and hand out to someone she doesn't know, especially someone like Ruan Mei
If this happens won't Lan cease to exist? Since their whole thing is to hunt down yaoshi and since yaoshi might die lan's whole goal of getting rid of yaoshi would be fulfilled
No. If Yaoshi dies Lan would just hunt something else: thats the whole point of the hunt. Lan was raised and “born” to hunt, doesnt matter what they are hunting. Aeons dont have values and favoritism, Lan quite literally cannot stop hunting just like how IX cant just “be happy”
@@frootsalad-nr8kb Thats just not true at all. If IX found the meaning of life, they’d still be depressed. If Yaoshi dies, Lan would continue to hunt. The aeons will follow their path until they die.
@@MostafaAhmed-bp7ce Lan ascended because he wants to rid the abundance, but that does not mean Lan will stop once he or someone else kills Yaoshi, because Lan literally cannot stop hunting. Aeons follow their path no matter what, Lan will always hunt. Read on your Aeon lore some more.
Thats an intersting possibility, I wonder if she just makes an emanator level being which she has done and forcibly cause them to ascend by taking in the leftover remnant of tayzyrronth then have that fight Yaoshi
I heard a theory that the other part Long, the Permanence, divided to could be Propagation, thus completing the puzzle that Long divided to Abundance anf Propagation. There were some arguments supporting this theory but it‘s quite long and it could have something to do with this.
They’ve been hinting at Luochas coffin being the thing to bring Yaoshi down from 1.1, like u said Luochas ult removes a buff from enemies but for a very specific enemy the “Deciple of Sanctus Medicus: Shape Shifter” gains a buff called draining hit where when it hits an enemy it drains their hp and gives it to itself someone clearly gifted by Yaoshu which Louchas ult (his coffin and vines) can remove
so, it'll be like in a lot of movies, a plan that looks great in theory, but in practice will be a disaster (refering to if ruan mei is actually trying to recreate an aeon that she "controls")
What would be interesting to see is if the involvement of Loucha is for alterior motives, maybe he is the one who wants to raise to an Aeon alone and Ruan Mei may want to help him to see if its possible
Of all the characters that'll be present for this story arc I believe Luocha is the least likely to become an aeon, same with Ruan Mei, I fully believe that the plan is to create another aeon that's more overwhelming than it can consume both the Propagation and Abundance path, since the definitions are super similar, they just need a catalyst to let them lean too much into each other's path, before a third party takes it all, Luocha is all but confirmed to be an emanator so I doubt he'd want to do anything other than rid himself of that power, but who knows
I don't know why this bothers me, but I feel like the Propogation just appears too often. The 1.5 attack on the train was Propogation, Ruan Mei was making Propogation's emanator, the thing in the Coffin is Propogation, etc... I don't know why exactly this bothers me though, cuz the path of Propogation is a lot more interesting to me than many of the other paths, but it feels very odd how much of the plot centers around it.
Then the hunt would continue, this time with propagation, considering that Tazzyronth's revival would have horrible reinforcements on the universe they'll probably be trying to get rid of both aeons due to how similar their paths were to begin with
9:20 "we don't know how they will control these aeons given the primum mobile exists" does it exist? they imply at the start of the game that the aeons can't not go against their path and if they did they would die... but how do they even know that? where did they get that information? which aeon died by going against their path? of the aeons that people know how they died, it wasn't by straying from their own path, and as for the ones that we don't know how they died... well i mean we don't know how they died, so even if they did die that way... again how do people have that information? i've been seriously wondering for a while how people know the primum mobile exists since there's never been an example showcasing it in either case. in fact there are cases that seemingly break the supposed strictness of it, with the trailblaze who apparently just acted like a normal human at all times, and the elation which can just pretend to be a normal human and not do anything directly or obviously elation related for a full year. is there just some lore i missed where they explain where or how they learned it? did an aeon explain it to someone, how would an aeon even know if they never seen another aeon deviate and they them selves never did? or are they just aware if they deviate they will die?
there is an example of going against the path, somewhat i guess: - When Qlipoth bonk Tayzzy with their hammer, smashing it body into many pieces and weakening Tayzzy connection to propagation, pieces of Tayzzy body actually trying to run away by instinct but those pieces quickly disintegrate. - Why did they disintegrate? coz if it was following propagation then those pieces would have recover into a new Tayzzy or multiply into more bug but instead, the pieces choose to run away, which is a form of survival and preservation not propagation
If I had to guess I would bet on the Genius Society coming to this conclusion. Maybe it was answered by Nous since THEY used to answer questions. There are also the followers of Terminus. That Aeon answers questions to its followers.
@@WitcherSoda i mean that's a lot of assuming when you already can't take what's out right said at face value due to unreliably narrators. the reason i think harping on getting a direct answer is so important is because from day one we had an answer on how we know about the two other ways aeons can die, because it happened to one. but this third method is weird, because not only do we have "missing" aeons, but every time there's speculation around a missing aeon, they literally never mention the third option, they either speculate another aeon killed them, they left the universe, or they just are hiding. its like, people know this is a thing, say its a thing, but don't know where that info came from, no one knows of an aeon it happened to, and they never think about it as an actual option that could happen to an aeon... its just all around weird, i don't buy the excuses.
crackpot theory: we know ruan mei wants to become an aeon and we know that Jingliu/Loucha want to kill abundance. What if during the process of killing Yaoshi with a piece of tazzy, Ruan Mei becomes the Aeon of creation, essentially filling Yaoshi’s roll in a way.
Best way to subdie an Aeon, absorb them a la Xipe eating Ena. Didn't Ruan Mei want to become an Aeon? And she's all about creating life. If she becomes a life creating Aeon, that could be broader than Abundance and she coukd absord Yaoshi
@@NecronHandlee propagation was more about endlessly replicating existing life. Ruan Mei wants to know the source, essence and meaning of life, and create various forms of life from nothing.
Why does everyone say Ruan Mei works with Jinglu? From the dialogue of the generals i think it seems that she's there to just take swarm's remains for herself. Not help with the protocol
would it be more easy to just help lan find yaoshi, why use the big bad bug. and in the end, lan will become a danger, forever attacking other for any reason.
Ruan mei will cooperate will the xianzhuo to bring down yaoshi of abundance, but her secretly alt motive is to become an aeon still , she might use the propagation to defeat/weakens yaoshi so she can consume it to become the new abundance aeon... all I'm saying is Ruan mei haven't given up her idea of becoming an aeon and she's probably only using the xianzhuo alliance.
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My theory is that Ruan Mei is going to create a new aeon to absorb the abundance but there is a massive flaw in that. because of the Hooh the Equilibrium. there is a theory that aeons comes in pairs. So if ruan mei create a new aeon when Yaoshi is absorbed the new aeon is just going to be another Yaoshi. Xianzhou will have to hunt the new aeon. And the cycle would go on. My crack theory is that they have to kill two aeons(a pair)
They could hunt the destruction and maybe when that does happen lan could also hunt oroboros or the swarm as well depends if they’re still alive but it just depends on
@@baddieb7276 Yes, the Hunt would just switch targets to another path and Hunt down the destruction instead. Theories suggest that Ruan Mei and the Alliance will use the remains to create a new Aeon to ascend and assimilate the Abundance using the Propagation's remains, similar to what happen with Order and Harmony. Something like Creation; a path that is conceptually wider than Abundance and Propogation. Just because a new Aeon is born doesn't mean that they have to make another immediately. Beauty is still missing, as is Voracity.
I feel like Lan would be ok with dying if it meant laoshi died too
probably Lan would cease to exist and the xianzhou alliance will follow the new aeon. on the other hand, galaxy ranger idk what will happen to them.
Propagation merging with the Abundance.
Ah yes... Immortal being that mulplies a lot. basically cockroaches.
It's alright, if they try to attack Super Earth they'll get stomped (despite the ridiculous casualties)
"we did it Patrick we saved the city" cities currently on fire
@@DRangerRed(everyone else killed)
I saw a TikTok video about the Godslayer Protocol, Permanence/ Propagation/ Abundance are all connected .
Long may have found the true meaning of life therefore he became the Vidyadhara. And left the Path Aeonless .
Tayzzyronth split the path and therefore created the Propagation
Yaoshi split the path AGAIN from Propagation.
Propagation represents the continuous of one’s life
Abundance represents the noble ambition to ensure the safety of the universe i.e. Immortality, Eternal Fruits , Medecine .
So if Jingliu and Luocha some how figured out that the Propagation is the progenitor of the Abundance and Luocha carries a segment of the divine body of Tayzzyronth then they could in theory, weaken the Path to an extent that maybe “Immortality” doenst work anymore
W video , i can't wait to see what unfolds later down the line in the story
Given my complete knowledge of every single piece of Jingliu lore there is (not joking), I have 3 things to point out. While I tried to make this short, this explains most of the Godslayer Protocol from 3 key points related to the video, so forgive me as it’s kinda long for a YT comment. Enjoy:
First, Jingliu and Luocha are probably allying themselves with the Xianzhou not because they truly need their strength, but because it’s more convenient. The Xianzhou aims to restore the cycle of life and death by following Lan, but are caught in an endless paradox where they’re simply upholding the already existing cycle of life and death. Jingliu wants to truly end this cycle, but realized that she has to replace it with something else (as a simple war can’t end it), and that’s where Luocha and Ruan Mei come in: they’re not just gonna kill or replace Yaoshi, but Lan as well, to make a new cycle of life and death.
Now, what is the Swarm disaster described as in the databank? A cycle of life and death, caused by mortal desire (more on this in point 2), that caused a war among Aeons. They don’t need the Xianzhou per se, as the Swarm (and other calamities) is fated to return and this will provide an opportunity to interact more easily with the Aeons (and change the cycle of life and death). They want the Xianzhou’s help because their goals are aligned, and it would be smoother for them to join forces rather than engage in a one-for-all war between Emanators and Aeons.
The Xianzhou isn’t necessary to kill Yaoshi, but it’s more convenient if they join forces (rather than, for example, Jingliu and Luocha fighting Shuhu to get to Yaoshi, while Shuhu is also fighting the Xianzhou, and the Xianzhou wants to arrest Jingliu, and Phantylia inserts herself in the middle. Plus the IPC being interested and whatnot. A messy one-for-all. Plus Jingliu isn’t really an enemy of the Xianzhou despite her status, so they have no reason to fight each other).
2. Jingliu and Luocha technically don’t need the Xianzhou’s help in killing Yaoshi, like I said, as they don’t need brute force. This is for 2 reasons. Lingsha and Luocha have repeated the exact same line: the Abundance can’t be killed by brute force, not even by an Aeon, as long as mortals desire immortality. (So Kafka’s 2 known ways of killing an Aeon won’t work on Yaoshi, leaving the unknown 3rd… Jingliu’s revelation). This echoes the Swarm disaster being fated to return since it was born from mortal desire; Tayzzyronth was “killed”, but not actually, and will return regardless. The Abundance would be the same.
Brute force isn’t a permanent solution, just as the Abundance is still a threat despite Jingliu literally destabilising their entire faction for 700 years, which brings me to the next point: if they need brute force, Jingliu already has plenty. She’s their biggest legend after all, and contextually found a way to overpower Emanators when she saved the Luofu and was exiled (but she still can’t remove Shuhu’s immortality, because she can’t rid the entire Path of Abundance with brute force).
Besides, Luocha literally says Jingliu has long since obtained the power to split heaven and earth. What is Feixiao’s life goal? To split heaven and earth, aka retracing Jingliu’s steps when she was still the Sword Champion (trying to overpower the followers of Abundance alone, not seeing the bigger picture). Which is also why I assume that Shuhu will return during the trial and Jingliu will save us with her mythical might, which explains why Jingliu is so confident in her proposal, but enough about that.
3. As the cycle of life and death (and the fate of the various Paths governing these concepts) becomes important, I hope Jingliu’s remaining secrets will become a key in this. We’ve already had a lot of focus on Luocha’s coffin, but not that much on Jingliu’s “revelation” despite Jingliu being the stated leader of the plan, and Luocha literally saying it’s Jingliu’s “revelation” that will allow them to achieve what he calls impossible (killing Yaoshi).
So what are Jingliu’s secrets? She received the gaze of an Aeon. She solved the mara when she obtained her “revelation”. Her body is frozen. She claims to have both obtained and become a metaphysical sword beyond all mortal means, which she also calls a stolen sliver of moonlight (celestial objects=Aeons). And she has yet to truly take off her blindfold, one among many details that suggest a transformation. So unless they wanna butcher her, these secrets will be a key part alongside the coffin in how they aim to kill Yaoshi, which would fit well as a big reveal when their arc begins with the trial (and Shuhu’s return, maybe).
So what could this be? I believe she either stole part of an Aeon’s power or figured out how to become one herself, and that’s why her body is frozen. Her body is her sword and that halts the mara, but she has yet to fully remove it; because she has yet to fully transform. The terrible price she’s gonna pay, worse than eternal torment, is either self-sacrifice or becoming an Aeon to replace Lan. Her achievements may offer a clue about her final transformation: absolute zero, the absence of all energy. By becoming an Aeon of Death (or something) she can truly “kill” the Abundance by removing the very energy it’s sustained by, and then Luocha/Ruan Mei will create a new Aeon of Life (Abundance/Propagation/Permanence) that will fulfill the Yin/Yang trope in the cycle of life and death. This would “kill” both the Abundance and the Swarm permanently (hopefully it’s not just a repeat of absorbing one Aeon into the other or sealing them, as that’s a well-known possibility already, but a different and actual “death”).
Bonus point: Jingliu becoming an Aeon of Death/Godslaying, governing the life and death of Aeons and mortals alike, would explain why Kafka wants the “power of the Hunt” against Nanook when Lan has already proven to be unable to kill Yaoshi (plus, Aeons can’t truly die… yet). And why Elio considered Blade’s swordsmanship (Jingliu’s) to be important. Jingliu’s remaining secrets are gonna be the key factor in this war among Aeons, both against Nanook and Yaoshi, to break cycles instead of endlessly repeating them. Or Jingliu isn’t gonna become an Aeon at all, and the ultimate godslayer technique is just using Tayzzyronth’s remains to seal Aeons forever, which would also work on Nanook - idk. But I have no good theories besides Jingliu replacing Lan as a true concept of “death” in the cycle of life and death, and I’d find it boring if they just plan to overwhelm an Aeon with brute force or use a pre-existing seal to seal them. We’ll see.
That’s what I think, but there are other worthwhile theories, and smaller details I didn’t mention. For example, who did Jingliu receive the gaze of? Now that’s a long discussion, which ties heavily into the (current) plot holes of the story. She could even be pursuing something entirely different than becoming an Aeon, and might’ve been empowered by Terminus (the only Aeon that’s able to “kill” other Aeons, but that’s also a long discussion, also tied to HI3 lore so it’s even trickier). The above theory is my best and most coherent for Jingliu, including most of the mysteries of her lore while staying true to her progression, but doesn’t fully explain every detail in her own lore and only lays the outline for her allies’ roles in this. It’s not a bad theory if I say so myself, but it could definitely change, especially if the remaining reveals turn out to be completely different from what they seem. So we’ll see.
god damn my guy wrote an essay on jingliu lore lmao
i just checked and its 1312 words wtf
To the question of wich aeon gazed upon Jingliu, isn't the most obvious answer the rememberance ? Mara struck usually lose their memories of before being mara struck be she still has hers, ice seems to be linked the power of the rememberance and also that bit about being a metaphysical sword remind me of the servant of rememberance who are memetic entities with no physical bodies like black swan.
We already know the rememberance has a bigger role in the wide univers, with that bit about collecting and preserving memories for the next univers, but I'm not too sure what killing yaoshi has to do with it.
@@TheDarkKillerGRI mean, he/she has all the knowledge about Jingliu, what did you expected?
This was truly a peak performance
Best thesis I ever read about Jingliu’s motive!
i think the most logical plan they might heading toward is creating a half aeon or you could call it a fake or pseudo aeon, basically they want to create something that have the power infinitely close or on par with aeon level but not the full responsibility and restriction of aeonhood. There is a few benefit and reason why i think this going to be the case:
- it much easier to create something near aeon then trying to create a full aeon or ascending yourself. this approach of going for a pseudo aeon would lower the difficulty significantly
- Aeon r bound to their concept/path, they would have lost some form of free will or even their original personality or conscious which would derail the plan as there is no way they can control a full aeon, even if they create the weakest aeon possible
- by not become a full aeon, it would be easier to control, execute the plan and even suppress if anything go wrong with the newly pseudo aeon
- And within honkaiverse, from ggz and hi3 to hsr, there have been many examples of pseudo god (god=aeon, same type of being but different name within honkaiverse), few recent prime example i can list r Fake God Otto, Finality Kiana and in hsr, Sunday embryo of philosophy which is basically just few step away from full aeonhood
=> in conclusion, a pseudo aeon would likely be the best choice for the plan, lower difficulty, easier for control and higher chance of success
Firefly will absolutely rage when she finds out the Sand King is back.
She is gonna set the lands ablaze
I feel like Ruan Mei will have some sort of contingency plan. You never know, space is bloody enormous and she may have found some other SAM units somewhere.
3:49 mortals can't really weaken an aeon though, because they don't even exist on the same plane as us. What they might be able to damage is merely one of the many vessels the aeon can possess. What I've come up with, however, is that they're trying to reawaken Tayzzyronth to assimilate Yaoshi like what Xipe did to Ena, and then drag Nanook and the legion and possibly Qlipoth into the battle to reseal Tayzzyronth once again, basically Swarm Disaster 2.0
It could have something to do with the Honkai as Sparkle recently appeared in the main story of Hi3 PArt 2 along with a memokeeper, so it is likey Ruan Mei got her hands on a herrscher core and is using it to build a weapon.
@@sanejingliufanThat's literally impossible, as nobody in current time is a Herrscher but Kiana. She has sealed away 99% of the Honkai into the moon alongside her, including Herrscher authorities. Only Kiana can grant Herrscher authorities as Finality, meaning you would need Kiana's permission to obtain a new active Herrscher core, which Kiana wouldn't just create and hand out to someone she doesn't know, especially someone like Ruan Mei
If this happens won't Lan cease to exist? Since their whole thing is to hunt down yaoshi and since yaoshi might die lan's whole goal of getting rid of yaoshi would be fulfilled
No. If Yaoshi dies Lan would just hunt something else: thats the whole point of the hunt. Lan was raised and “born” to hunt, doesnt matter what they are hunting. Aeons dont have values and favoritism, Lan quite literally cannot stop hunting just like how IX cant just “be happy”
@@verse2702 but I heard aeons would ceast to exist once their main goal has been completed so Lan would die if Yaoshi dies
@@frootsalad-nr8kb Thats just not true at all. If IX found the meaning of life, they’d still be depressed. If Yaoshi dies, Lan would continue to hunt. The aeons will follow their path until they die.
@verse2702 The path of the hunt exists to hunt the abundance, not to just hunt
@@MostafaAhmed-bp7ce Lan ascended because he wants to rid the abundance, but that does not mean Lan will stop once he or someone else kills Yaoshi, because Lan literally cannot stop hunting. Aeons follow their path no matter what, Lan will always hunt. Read on your Aeon lore some more.
What if Ruan Mei makes a new Aeon who could possibly take in the Plagues Author like Xipe absorbed The Order
Thats an intersting possibility, I wonder if she just makes an emanator level being which she has done and forcibly cause them to ascend by taking in the leftover remnant of tayzyrronth then have that fight Yaoshi
surely destroy is a better alternative then "unalive"
My vocabulary trial period ran out 😂
I heard a theory that the other part Long, the Permanence, divided to could be Propagation, thus completing the puzzle that Long divided to Abundance anf Propagation. There were some arguments supporting this theory but it‘s quite long and it could have something to do with this.
They’ve been hinting at Luochas coffin being the thing to bring Yaoshi down from 1.1, like u said Luochas ult removes a buff from enemies but for a very specific enemy the “Deciple of Sanctus Medicus: Shape Shifter” gains a buff called draining hit where when it hits an enemy it drains their hp and gives it to itself someone clearly gifted by Yaoshu which Louchas ult (his coffin and vines) can remove
so, it'll be like in a lot of movies, a plan that looks great in theory, but in practice will be a disaster (refering to if ruan mei is actually trying to recreate an aeon that she "controls")
I don’t think she’s creating an aeon to control but rather seeing how it comes to be and how it moves forward. Aeons are still a mystery to everyone.
What would be interesting to see is if the involvement of Loucha is for alterior motives, maybe he is the one who wants to raise to an Aeon alone and Ruan Mei may want to help him to see if its possible
Of all the characters that'll be present for this story arc I believe Luocha is the least likely to become an aeon, same with Ruan Mei, I fully believe that the plan is to create another aeon that's more overwhelming than it can consume both the Propagation and Abundance path, since the definitions are super similar, they just need a catalyst to let them lean too much into each other's path, before a third party takes it all, Luocha is all but confirmed to be an emanator so I doubt he'd want to do anything other than rid himself of that power, but who knows
i ve heard rumors ruan mei could become an aeon. no promises
I am still thinking who give coffin to Luocha in the first place and what deal Luocha make. It could be the key for Godslayer Protocol plan.
I don't know why this bothers me, but I feel like the Propogation just appears too often. The 1.5 attack on the train was Propogation, Ruan Mei was making Propogation's emanator, the thing in the Coffin is Propogation, etc... I don't know why exactly this bothers me though, cuz the path of Propogation is a lot more interesting to me than many of the other paths, but it feels very odd how much of the plot centers around it.
Since Propagation and Abundance are similar I think they might try to have the Propagation replace Abundance like how the Harmony replaced the Order.
What if their plan is to have the path of propagations absorbed the path of abundance.
Then the hunt would continue, this time with propagation, considering that Tazzyronth's revival would have horrible reinforcements on the universe they'll probably be trying to get rid of both aeons due to how similar their paths were to begin with
My first thoughts when I saw video name: Godslayer. Like god cosplayer, right? ... Right?.. ohh shit it's about jingliu
9:20 "we don't know how they will control these aeons given the primum mobile exists"
does it exist? they imply at the start of the game that the aeons can't not go against their path and if they did they would die... but how do they even know that? where did they get that information?
which aeon died by going against their path? of the aeons that people know how they died, it wasn't by straying from their own path, and as for the ones that we don't know how they died... well i mean we don't know how they died, so even if they did die that way... again how do people have that information?
i've been seriously wondering for a while how people know the primum mobile exists since there's never been an example showcasing it in either case. in fact there are cases that seemingly break the supposed strictness of it, with the trailblaze who apparently just acted like a normal human at all times, and the elation which can just pretend to be a normal human and not do anything directly or obviously elation related for a full year.
is there just some lore i missed where they explain where or how they learned it? did an aeon explain it to someone, how would an aeon even know if they never seen another aeon deviate and they them selves never did? or are they just aware if they deviate they will die?
Aeons are basically concepts, and a concept has to be itself, else it no longer is itself and therefore "dies".
there is an example of going against the path, somewhat i guess:
- When Qlipoth bonk Tayzzy with their hammer, smashing it body into many pieces and weakening Tayzzy connection to propagation, pieces of Tayzzy body actually trying to run away by instinct but those pieces quickly disintegrate.
- Why did they disintegrate? coz if it was following propagation then those pieces would have recover into a new Tayzzy or multiply into more bug but instead, the pieces choose to run away, which is a form of survival and preservation not propagation
If I had to guess I would bet on the Genius Society coming to this conclusion. Maybe it was answered by Nous since THEY used to answer questions.
There are also the followers of Terminus. That Aeon answers questions to its followers.
@@WitcherSoda i mean that's a lot of assuming when you already can't take what's out right said at face value due to unreliably narrators.
the reason i think harping on getting a direct answer is so important is because from day one we had an answer on how we know about the two other ways aeons can die, because it happened to one.
but this third method is weird, because not only do we have "missing" aeons, but every time there's speculation around a missing aeon, they literally never mention the third option, they either speculate another aeon killed them, they left the universe, or they just are hiding.
its like, people know this is a thing, say its a thing, but don't know where that info came from, no one knows of an aeon it happened to, and they never think about it as an actual option that could happen to an aeon... its just all around weird, i don't buy the excuses.
If Yaoshi disappears then i feel like Lan would also disappear...cuz Lan's entire purpose or reason is to hunt the abundance...
crackpot theory: we know ruan mei wants to become an aeon and we know that Jingliu/Loucha want to kill abundance. What if during the process of killing Yaoshi with a piece of tazzy, Ruan Mei becomes the Aeon of creation, essentially filling Yaoshi’s roll in a way.
Best way to subdie an Aeon, absorb them a la Xipe eating Ena. Didn't Ruan Mei want to become an Aeon? And she's all about creating life. If she becomes a life creating Aeon, that could be broader than Abundance and she coukd absord Yaoshi
Life creating... Sounds like propagation
@@NecronHandlee propagation was more about endlessly replicating existing life. Ruan Mei wants to know the source, essence and meaning of life, and create various forms of life from nothing.
Why does everyone say Ruan Mei works with Jinglu? From the dialogue of the generals i think it seems that she's there to just take swarm's remains for herself. Not help with the protocol
rewatch the scene at the end, the report to the generals does say that ruan mei was enlisted to "help" by the prisoners
would it be more easy to just help lan find yaoshi, why use the big bad bug.
and in the end, lan will become a danger, forever attacking other for any reason.
yeah, i doubt they can control an aeon by their own. imma guess, a place is gonna be wipe out if they try to control it.
Ruan mei will cooperate will the xianzhuo to bring down yaoshi of abundance, but her secretly alt motive is to become an aeon still , she might use the propagation to defeat/weakens yaoshi so she can consume it to become the new abundance aeon... all I'm saying is Ruan mei haven't given up her idea of becoming an aeon and she's probably only using the xianzhuo alliance.
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A aeon to userp the imaginary energy if it wrks then the trailblazer is a aeon