TEAM TALK: AFFORDABLE PERFORMANCE FOR 30K? (REALLY???)
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- TEAM TALK: AFFORDABLE PERFORMANCE FOR 30K? (REALLY???)
Affordable performance for 30K, does it exist? Can those two words be put in the same sentence? Well we've scoured the internet and tried to gather up all of the 17 foot fiberglass boats and well, it was a short search. Basscat, Charger and Nitro are the only ones left in the 17ft market. Who's gonna be #1 and who are these rigs made for? Let us know in the comments below.
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Basscat for sure if I'd have to pick. I think you're spot on with your assessment of the younger crowd getting into the bigger rigs rather than the entry level boats
I had a 17' 1979 Charger, bought it when I was 23 to get on the Mississippi. It was a great boat in 92' but I just grabbed a tin Alumacraft Bay 20 with a Yamaha 150 SHO, threw a Bob's hyd jack and some electronics, going to be splitting time up north and in the flats in florida. I have 50k in it and if I hit a log or an oyster bed so be it. Love the channel, spent a lot of nights in Lacrosse as a younger man, Good Times
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The Charger I'd go with. I'm just not a big Basscat guy and I sure as hell won't go with a Nitro. Great video Andy
You ain't catching us in a Nitro either
Sad day when Ranger discontinued the z175. Want a new Ranger but I’m not paying 60g for a 518
It’s called the bass cat Bobcat now. Way better option then the other 2
I agree to a certain extent but I also tournament fish out of a 17 foot boat. My boat has never kept me from cashing a check. If your a good fisherman boat really doesn't matter as long as it's reliable. Now with that being said there are great advantages to a bigger boat that we all know. But when it's a shallow water bite I can get my boat where others can't just one point.
i’m 50 years old and my first boat way way back was a ranger 330v with a 90hp mercury ....i thought i was on top of the world at 20 years old ..!!!!
Unless your a 50-60 yr old with deteriorating back issues. Gonna stay in big glass for the bettor ride; tournament fishing or not.
There is a reason you get behind those massive grand marquis’s, caddies going 5-10 mph’s under the speed limit. Their all older people. More likely than not they have their military service ball caps in the back window, vet plates, or a handicap place card.
Thank you for your service you have all the rights to go slow as you like.
Bunch of these men in our bass club who anyone can join. However, We have a tournament series that’s for 50+ boater only. Ox can be any 16+. Lots of vets. Love this group. Seen and lived it all; stories are endless.
Hard to beat the triton 179trx... 18'6" 115 pro XS. 93" beam.. $34k with cover. I've put a few videos out about thus one.. 50mph.. and rides great
Love your Go BIG or Go Home, glass bass boat theory... 🤣🍺🎣
Let’s not forget the 17 nitro likely comes standard with a 50 or maybe a 90. So a 150 would be an up charge, and the quality Rigging by the BPS staff.
Only rated for a 115
I died when you started swiping the imaginary credit card 😂😂😂
Currently run a 2014 Margay with a 150 Merc. Not only comes with the manual jack plate but a hot foot and blinker trim pretty much stock optioned. Great boat to start in and will absolutely get up and run good. Love the channel and shout out next ime you come to SC to visit!
Basscat for sure. If I'm going aluminum it would be xpress for sure. Alweld is a strong built great customizable boat that you can do for 30gs and last a lifetime.
Man, you sure know how to beat off a dead horse.
We get it. You're too good for a 17 foot boat. Especially if it's a Nitro.
Cool.👌
But for the people that they are intended for, they are decent option.
And almost every high school fishing team in the country will agree with me on that.
These boats get people on the water, in a new boat, with a warranty, for alot less money than a pro series boat costs. And if not for this class of boat, these people might not be able to do what they love, so I for one, am glad that they exist.
We wouldn't have an issue with Nitro at all if they made a quality rig....but they don't in our opinion.
I own a 2022 nitro z19 pro and it's a great boat for what you pay for it I think everything else is just way over priced I got mine for 54 thousand and I'm in California
Basscat gotta have the quality with ur boat no matter how big or how cheap it is.
My first bass boat was a 1985 champ super v 17.6 with a 2.4 200 merc 9 inch jack mazco 26 chopper modified by John Hesse performance propeller mpls.
17ft glass is going away for the same reasons more top trim trucks are available than base ones. Profit! I’m willing and to bet margins are way higher on the 19+ boats with big Mercs just like Platinum F150s and High Country Silverados over XL’s and SL’s. And all the features are an easy sell to most guys as they gotta outshine the next guy!
Keep up the good stuff, telling it like it is. 💯
Always!!!
I will never get rid of my 16 foot Jon boat. I got my 60 hp jet motor I fish to California Delta only and there’s places that only kayaks go that I’m fishing and I can literally fish all day for about $30 in fuel especially with today’s gas prices and it cost me almost nothing different to pull it behind my truck almost the same gas mileage and that really adds up nowadays so who cares if I’m getting blown by it’s only on my way back to the dock because they’re not fishing where I can fish!
same here! I fish the upper mississippi river only and I'll rip over a sand flat if I know whats on the other side of it
I wish I could like this comment 30 times
I love my 16' procraft 165 with a 90 horse opti. I've knocked gel off the hull, hit rocks, powered over beaverdams. I fished the big bass tour on sml 4 years in a row out of it and going back this october. I've had it in saltwater, run my trolling motor into boulders in the UP. I just love it because I can beat the crap out of it with minimal worries. It's totally fine in 3-4 footers. I can run it all weekend on 10-15 gallons of fuel. I can't remember the last time I put ethanol free in it though I overdose it with star every fill up. I know it's limitations and I want a bigger boat eventually to fish the opens. That said, I want to keep this boat till it breaks in half. It has provided me years of worry free fishing.
Andy, I’m a tin guy wanting to go big glass tiller, Yar Craft or Warrior, all the other manufacturers abandoned the high HP lineup. Ranger and Skeeter used to offer big HP tillers. Only problem I have with the Yar Craft is 200 HP max rating, the Warrior is 250 HP.
Warrior all day!
@@TeamMarineService even with Yar Craft being built by by Rick Pierce/Bass Cat???
You should have come looking in South Africa. Still quite a few 17ft bass boats built here and we are not scared to hang up to a 225HP on them ;-). From the top of my head. Ruffnek Maverick S, Brilliant Boats Terminator, Crackleback 500 and 530, Rebel 531 and 532 and probably a few I have missed. 17ft boats were the stable in bass fishing in South Africa until quite recently where the shift is now to 19ft although lots of 16 footers still around. Even my 16 ft has a 200 Carb Yamaha and gets 60mph at least (and then i get scared...) Speed (yes), Money (not so much), No brakes (you bet yah!!!)
Wow that's very interesting. Robert by chance if you get some free time could you form together a list of boat manufacturers there and some of the legendary models? We'd like to do an "around the world" episode. Thanks buddy...email: speedmoneynobrakes@gmail.com
@@TeamMarineService will do
I'm in my last 30's with 2 younger boys. I've been looking at the bass cat because it's the highest quality boat that will fit in to my small ass garage. New houses are making garages smaller and smaller. I know that bass cat won't keep up with the bigger boats, but should be in the 60's with the 150hp
Man I’d love this video for 18 foot boats in the 40,000 to 50,000 price range. I know with financing this is about the best price range for blue collar guys.
18ft vid coming soon
@@TeamMarineService eagerly awaiting the 18’ video!
I like this talk , hell I'm just a weekend fisherman , i had a 17.5 triton that i loved till i lost it in my divorce , that was awesome , but id definitely do the basscat with a 150 , id be perfectly happy with it . I didn't even know they offered one
As a 19 year old that now works a full time job I bought an aluminum vexus 2080 instead of an old fiberglass. I wanted something new that still gets decent performance and will last me a long time hopefully.
Here's our take on the Vexus tin rig...we had on in for lower unit repair that was rear ended by a truck while on the way to the ramp. Zero cracks in the transom. Must be built pretty decent. Should hold up for awhile
Fun infoViD to watch. It’s Interesting you are posting this on Friday. Same day outdoor Channel Aires Otte Defoe hunt for monster bass.
Guess what it’s in a 17’ boat! Sorry it’s not glass. It’s tin, but actually a truly shallow water bruiser rig he totally customized.
Jet motor, bucket seats,‘minimalist electronics, and specifically designed for super shallow beat down conditions, but 17’
They gave a specific tracker model number, Tracker Grizzly 1754 SC!
We've seen that build on his YT page
Would love to be a “walking billboard” when the ELITES come to town in August!😊🎣👍 TIA LOL
Got my 1st New Nitro in 1999 700LX 17’ 75hp Mercury $9995.95 now there 30K WOW.
What 17ft rig would you go with if you'd had to pick?
None I'd buy a bigger tin boat
I think the Margay is discontinued. The new 17' boat for Basscat is the Bobcat. Have you seen that?
I have a 2010 Polar Kraft tin rig. Nothing great, but I didn't pay 25 K for it! Liked the Bass Cat Bobcat till I saw the pricing on it today, lol. Locally priced at 50K with Merc 150. No thanks.
Basscat of the three. Well now you got to do a affordable tin performance for 30K? And how they rank against these three.
Basscat it ain't even a question lol
I’m looking at 18’ boats because of the affordability. Could you do the same for 18’ boats?
Yeah we could do that!
@@TeamMarineService thanks! I tournament fish off and on. I would love at least a 19ft boat but prices are so ridiculous I can’t so I’m looking at 18ft boats. I’m going to sell my 17 1/2 foot boat to my brother so he can take my nephews fishing (it’s so cheap so I don’t know if I would call selling it to him….lol)
I think there is a chance the 17 foot glass could come back. Electric motors being introduced to the market will be probably first be implemented on smaller boats and that will give them a chance. Not saying it is a for sure thing, but its possible.
2012 Basscat margay 150 pro xs loaded would run 68 consistently. We got 72 empty and little gas. Front deck was huge for a small boat.
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To compete with aluminum, Triton has the 179 trx with a 1200lb 18.5ft hull that starts at 32k. It comes with a 115hp and will do 50mph. Seems a better value than the 17fters and a great boat for a weekend warrior. Your opinions?
It's a solid option for a weekend warrior but we cannot get past the fact it's an 18.5 boat with a 115! And like we always say...ranger and Triton are just Nitro's at the end of the day
lol compete with tin? impossible!
Glass boats under 18ft don’t exist for the fresh water market. Plenty of small salt water glass boats. My buddy had a Ranger 330, 16ft 10”. We fished the Hudson River that’s a big nasty. Very Sea worthy boat. I’ve been in plenty big water and the 20 ft boats aren’t any better in the kind of waves that you can’t see over the next one. The price of boats is out of control and I’ve ran a 18ft 150hp for the last 40 years and never felt I didn’t win a tournament because my boat was to slow/small. I have won several that I wouldn’t have in a 20ft. I team fish with a friend with the full 80K rig. We took my 18ft old boat to an event to access an area we couldn’t get in with his boat and won a boat so there’s that.
reason i prefer aluminum...rendlake in southern illinois is about 10 minutes from where
i live ....the north end is nothing but stumps and old fence rows ....the flathead fisherman love to leave their gutter nails in the top of stumps where they fastened there rubber bungee cords for there flathead lines .....on a fiberglass boat , when you run up on top them stumps and have to gas it hard to get off.....it leaves some major ice pick looking gouges on your hull from the front to the back ..!!!!!....
Basscat is calling it the bobcat. Running 40k with a 150 just pulled it up. Definitely an interesting layout. Dont like that tank is only on one side but anything is better than nitro
I fish alone most of the time, so the tank being on opposite side of steering position would only help the ride, I think? I like the layout, but after being quoted 50K for one just last week, I will stick to my tin rig!
@@timroyall6513 wow 50k! Thats crazy i think tin is the way im gonna go next time around appreciate the info.
50k??? Whoa!!
@@chrisfutrellfishing7879 I know! Now that one did have upgraded trolling motor and electronics, but that is still huge money for a boat with 150 on it!
I comment often about my 2000 171 Champion for good reason.... I fish and cruise lake Ontario and the finger lakes of NY 99 percent of the time and that boat fishes no different than the biggin boats. It takes rough water sometimes better because it rides across the tops of the waves, costs wayyyyy less for fuel and upkeep, trailers easier and I can drop it in the Erie canal or smaller lakes because it doesn't even need a launch to get it wet. I rigged out my boat with all the goodies and I'm not even at 15k
I get why everyone wants big and fast but for us smart folk we prefer to be smart over fast 🤪
Andy I am 55 years old, I do not fish tournaments often, but I do have a need for speed.
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Awesome video. It is what it is
Excellent video as always.
If I had 30k to spend, I'd be looking for a nice used 21' gambler, stroker, bullet, with a newer 250 or 300.
Build quality is much better than any cookie cutter rig, and they would smoke every new 30k rig in speed and ride.
Bro..jordans job is clearly to piss you off and get you ryled up!..imo this topic is inline with guys needing to tow a 3k boat with a diesel pickup capable of towing 12k!Merica!
Nitro all day baby!!!
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Great stuff Andy. But you definitely have to loose the “performance” moniker in this group. I’d like to see a team talk on people looking to get their first tournament style rig. Say in the $30,000 area but with attention to motor reliability and build quality!? Just a thought.
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Let’s do 19 footers next I think that would be a good one
I'd imagine the margins are lower on these smaller boats. If I remember correctly Rick Pierce said that on a BTL episode a few years ago.
I’m looking at potentially a new 18 1/2 boat and used boats. I have found one with an Evinrude G2 with low hours. Would you recommend a new boat with a Merc (because that’s what the boats I am looking at have) or consider the G2
Go with the Merc
How about top new glass boat for 50k? Sorry if you've already done that I must have missed it🤙
You got it!
Any new update on your Gator Tax Factory walk-thru?
I personally took a lot of money away from those big boats guys in tournaments. In a 17 foot nitro 700 lx with a 115 merc. Fishing skills are far more important than boat size. Current boat is a 18 champion with a 150 optimax but don't fish tournaments anymore.
You must do one on 18.7' glass boats....that is literally the only size boat I'm interested in. I'm jonesing for the vid !
What about the bobcat. 150 pro xs 4 stroke 17 9 for 33k
In our opinion they just swapped out the Margay name with Bobcat and called it "all new"....in reality who wants to be hitting the lake in a Margay??? Haha
Entertaining as always.
All BassCat boat models are named after cat breeds...Puma, Cougar, Eyra, Margay,...etc
We suspect the cat name Margay didn't poll too well so they changed it to Bobcat. Lol
The world's quickest brain.. dropping facts that no one knew..
@@TeamMarineService using this reply to officially request you do a catch n cook!!
Florida's don't say gay bill killed the margay.. 😁
Hey could we do a good bad ugly on a stratos 21 ss extreme
Ranger rt198 best bang for buck in this price
Just priced a z17 pro xs 115 loaded with cover 34,500
Love the shows.
I think you should go take a trip down to richland mo and have a little walk through the charger factory before you say the bass cat is built better. I've been in both, and own neither. But that charger is the better boat imo. You get a lot more "options" for your money.
Can you do a review on the new BassCat Puma STS
I Asked for this 2 weeks ago
@@calebpayne7205 I'm really interested in the boat I'm looking for one but 95+ is a big commitment for a guy like me
@@chrisjackson6115 I'll answer any questions you have. I bought mine February 12th
Andy your a hoot
I know you don't drink but if you ever feel the urge come to NC and sip from a mason jar
it flowed like honey dew vine water
Nailed it 👍
Depends how old you wanna go for affordable lol. We got a 1972 Checkmate V-Mate II with a Johnson GT200 that'll run an easy 60MPH. All in, we paid $5500 lol.
The 17 foot glass boat is definitely dying especially when you can go buy 17’ 8 Express 115-150hp Yamaha and those are super heavy duty that actually do good and rougher water fully decked out for 26 grand. How can a glass Boat compete with that
I run a tin rig, not an Express. I really don't think you can buy one fully rigged for that amount. Their website shows cheapest boat with 115 goes for 29K. And then you start adding the goodies. Love to have one of them though.
@@timroyall6513 Yeah you just Gotta look around obviously you can’t get one right off the website but you can look around online and find a 2018 2019 that didn’t sell for some reason probably the color that you can’t change the stuff on but they’re fully decked out for around 26 grand I got mine 2017 X 17 pro brand new from the dealer for 25 grand with 115 hp motor
It's no longer a margay the new 17 foot 7 inch Basscat is a bobcat
Interesting, they still have it listed on their website as of yesterday
@@TeamMarineService the Margay was discontinued in 2021. It is not listed on their website today. It was replaced by the Bobcat. The Bobcat with a Merc 159XL, Maxxum 70 42" 24V, Helix 7 MDI - bow, Helix 7 MDI -dash, and a Fulton XLT jack, will set you back 40K.
@@paulludwikowski7967 we don't doubt that is was replaced but basscat.com/bass-cat-models/margay/ is still active.
@@TeamMarineService, it does list it on the chart at the bottom of the models page, but if you open each of the three boat line pages, it has been removed. The same scenario as the models that were upgraded in 2022 have not been updated on that chart.
Bass cat has a 17' on their website but it's called "bobcat" not margay.
We've seen the Bobcat on there.
basscat.com/bass-cat-models/margay/
Funny with 17 foot boat is there is no ride if you want speed. Can remember a 17 foot hydro sport back in the day with a 150 evinrude. It would blow the doors right off of you. I was running a 19 foot skeeter and it would walk it all day but once it came to some rough water and talking little it couldn't handle it and the larger boats would walk all over it. The crazy part is that's how we had to fish tournaments to make any money. Now if you don't look cool you suck at fishing tournament even tho they spent 80k plus. Andy you should do a video on how to get an affordable used boat that you can get into and show up the 80k boats when it comes to tournaments and it should be less then 15k. Like aways kick ass catch bass and burn gas.
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What the heck is an entry level weekend local tourney boat? I’d take any of these over the overpriced aluminum options. I guess I will start in my 2004 Reata 200 Optimax and get laughed at. At least it’s paid for. Boat market is frustrating.
Triton doesn’t make the 179 TrX anymore? I’d rather get an older 20 or 21 footer than these honestly
Triton's website lists the 179 TrX as 18'6"
Just seen the 179 TRX at the boat show last month in Houston, new for about $33,000 with a Mercury 115
i just bought a phoenix 618 pro for 27,000 its a 2012 my last boat was a 88 ranger so im happy asf do wish i had a four stroke though
I was wondering if I could pick your expert brain about boats for a few minutes. I am a new bass fisherman and I have a family that I want to take on my boat when not bass fishing. Can you give me some good choices that I could take out 4 or 5 people and still have the room to fish and it be a bass type boat. Thank you. I love the channel!
Blazer makes a 595, 19.5 ' no idea what they cost though
I'm not a rich man but I can afford it. Now, that being said, why would I buy a 60k, 70k, 80k and up boat just to go fishing? If it were my job sure ok maybe? When I can just grab a tin boat for waay cheaper and have less maintenance on it. I fish brackish water exclusively and some salt. I cannot for the life of me understand why these boat mfg's have priced their chit so high the product is no better than 3 years ago. I am looking at buying a boat that 3 yeats ago sold for 26k and now the same exact boat sells for 47k and up???? I might just wait for the boat market to crash and pick one up super cheap, it will crash......
i will stick with my little southfork custom aluminum with my yammy kitted 9.9 2 smoke ....🤓
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Welcome aboard buddy!!!
17'7" basscat is called the bobcat now.
Gotta think the old name Margay didn't end up polling too well. "Let's hit the lake in the Margay" just doesn't do it for us! Haha
The fact you need to pay at least 50k for a usable tournament bass boat is crazy. But as long as people keep buying them, nothing will change...
What do you consider a tournament bass boat??? Has to have potential for contingencies?
Zero truth to that statement. Plenty of decent 18-19 footers in that range, not to mention the used market.
@@MJ_Bass I agree. That’s what I have lol. I was more quoting him in the video and the new boat market
Not sure but I think the Margay is being killed for a new boat called a Bobcat. I just checked one at local dealer. 17 foot, single trailer, 150 Merc, 80 ultrex, 2 8 inch birds. Price quoted was , wait for it? $49.999.00! Payments as low as 388 per month for 180 months with 10 percent down. I love Bass Cats boats. But I can't afford that! Maybe with less equipment and smaller motor it could approach 30K ish. Locally for me, it would be hard to find a tin rig with 115 or 150 for 30 K! Boats have gone entirely berserk! And no, I don't see the 17 ft glass market coming back with these prices. Andy, any idea how many boats say, Ranger or Bass Cat make and sell in a year?
Basscat has some of the craziest prices now. Look at some of the 20 footers, 90+K and not even loaded up.
i should of bought that boat when i was 21 ... lol i could of got a 20 or 21 footer for around 35 to 40 way back when ... im now 32 and boats are 5 times the price ...
can you do a video on pro gator
for 30k i feel like the deep v tin boats are more popular and more bang for your buck...
What I would love to see is a 19 footer with a 150-175 available under 30k. Just boat motor guages and a trailer. I have all the tys all my boat but it is older and sreally starting to show it age.a 1996 nitro. but all the toys PP, trolling motors depth finders are all less thah 5years old. I just need a new platform.
A 2022 Bass Cat bobcat Lists at $39,995. And you don’t get much on it.
I learned something really important about this video, that I'll make sure to apply as soon as possible. *There is nothing on this planet that this guy loves more than listening to the sound of his own voice. This dude rambles so f^^king bad he forgets what he was talking about in the first place.
Guys like you that's why we do it yes sir!!
@@TeamMarineService That’s probably the most direct, to the point, no-nonsense answer you’ve given in a decades. Much more thought out, than the “wind-up monkey on meth” act, yes sir!
phoenix 518 might fit in this video.
Nobody ever caught a bass going 70 MPH….
Everyone wishes they could go 70mph tho! ;)
Triton doesn’t have a 17 footer?
Hey that margay will run 60 with 2 people weigh over 200lbs loaded livewell empty livewell full 52 one person weigh 270 it run 65 loaded most weight to back
I think a bass boat should start out no less than 19'.
I want my hat and shirt .
98’ Nitro 700LX with a 2.5 Merc…… $4500….. bass slayer kids
Margay has been replaced with the bob cat.
I'm not sure which brand you can buy without a engine but I think it's charger, I would buy it and put a 250 on there and give the finger to All the girls before I got up the river.
Why do they call there boats Nitro because they will blow up bang lol🤣
Haha nailed it Ernie
Dude BPS sells rigs with sealed hub$. And doesn't warranty third party companies for components like fkn sealed hubs that fail ..they sell shiny shit which when the shiny peels away like cheap veneer you are left with just shit
With this sorry economy, high prices, and high interest rates I think more people will buy these boats to get into the sport cheaper. You can fish small local/armature tournaments with these boats just fine. You just hve to accept there is going to be boats faster than you. You just have to catch more and bigger fish
At the same price a 19 foot tin ranger has way more value, and versatility than a 17 foot glass. They even ride better. The Margay had lots of problems getting it setup right. Many people had trouble getting it up on plane.
True. The little glass boats are just too heavy for the motors.