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Gerrymandering: How politicians rig elections
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2015
- Most Americans think elections are rigged, and they're right. Vox editor-in-chief Ezra Klein explains how gerrymandering works, and how to fix it. Thank you so much for watching and subscribing - you just took us over 200,000 subscribers! This is one of our favorites and it's as true today as when we released it over a year ago when only about 1,000 subscribers saw it. Enjoy!
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Why isn't anyone stopping this? It's literally cheating
For real
Ritalin Popper becuse it's the politicians job to make and change the rules. if the rule is beneficial to the politician but hurtful to the populous it generally goes unchanged. also, most eligible voters are uneducated or uninvolved
welcome to the USA
because no one can, it requires that politicians actively work against their own best interests, who in their right mind would do that?
HobbyAlchemist Democracy should in theory put the power in the hands of the people, not the politicians. If the US worked only the way you described, we'd basically would have a disguised dictatorship, politicians ruling the country to their liking.
But luckily it isn't that way. Voters want to have it different, so politicians will either stop doing it or get thrown out of the government. New politicians who don't support this will get elected. All that's missing right now is enough awareness. Though how an american can look on a map and think "this is fine" is beyond me.
The thing is, even if district maps were drawn by independent parties, I'm sure politicians would find a way to "encourage" them to draw the district maps in their favor. The only real way to eliminate this problem would be to abolish the district system entirely somehow.
J1mb0 Better yet have data driven models drawn by computers. Make the data free and open, to make it transparent and repeatable.
Though many Americans would object to this, I think the best way is just making the percentage of voters for a particular party directly translate to the percentage of delegates elected (and voters that voted for that party can vote on which candidate they want elected in their party).
@@organicproduce8675 Republicans would complain about cities running the whole state in this case. I fell like they should just evenly divide states up. Take the total population, divide by how many districts then start on one side of the state and keep adding zip codes until you reach that magic number that would be 1 district. IDK but what they have now has to change
@@organicproduce8675 This is why MMP works better, you get the location representation and also proportional representation.
lets just gerrymander equally
Now if we can just get away from First Past The Post up here in Canada. :(
We do that in that in the US too. :(
I'm Canadian and I'm offended by being called a polite hat.........sorry
The assumption that Canada has a better electoral system is mistaken. Many a Canadian party with a minority of popular vote has formed the government with our first past the post system. We are also in need of electoral reform that ensures more democratic outcomes. With proportional representation, for instance, we'd have circa half a dozen greens in parliament now, except just the one.
Deciding leadership strictly by popular vote has its own inherent dangers in that, without some checks and balances, a representative voice for other platform voters can suffer unfairly to the point of societal rupture. But it certainly looks like some adjustments needs to be made to the US Electoral College to provide a fairer election - and purging the country of egregious electoral suppression in some areas would seem like a critically priority for any democracy-loving citizenry to address.
It is because in Canada, its a multi-party system with first past the post, and political parties do not distribute their votes well enough.
One party may get more votes overall nationally, but their votes are inefficiently distributed in areas where they area already heavily in the majority. Its not that the electoral boundaries are unfair, but that the geographic distribution of votes is not well spread by the parties themselves.
A prime example is the Conservative votes in Alberta, which sometimes are so overwhelmingly high, that Coinservative MP's in Alberta win their ridings by sometimes 70-80% of the vote when they only needed more than the second highest number. An example was Conservative MP Martin Shields in Bow River Alberta, who won 46,279 votes....and the 2nd highest was Liberal with only 3,173. Meaning that Martin Shields only needed 3,174 votes to win, but he got 43,105 MORE votes than he needed to win, so basically those 43,105 surplus votes didn't really matter.
But in say Nova Scotia which is also largely Liberal dominated, most of their Liberal MP's only won their seats by 40% of the vote, while the other parties split the rest of it. So the Liberal vote was far more efficient. Liberal MP, Andy Fillmore won only 42.74% of the votes in Halifax. He got 21,905 while the conservative got 20,347. He won by only 1558 more votes than his main competition.
This also translates to how the Bloc Quebercois in Canada can rake in such large numbers of potential seats with only focusing on one province.
Larry Lessig wants to solve this problem. You should check him out!
+SixFingeredAmish We actually interviewed Lessig last year, while he was running his Mayday PAC! ruclips.net/video/UnOn60YtcGo/видео.html Andrew Prokop has been covering his current presidential campaign over at vox.com: www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9295143/lawrence-lessig-president-announcement
+Vox Thanks! I just watched and read those 2 links. Should I be eagerly awaiting a Lawrence Lessig: The Vox Conversation?
+SixFingeredAmish Too bad he won't be in the debates because he's no longer on the national polls leading up to the debates, and therefore is censored...
Larry Lessig wants to solve all the problems
I didn't even realise he was still in the race?
I'm consistently blown away by the quality of your videos. Please make some longer ones! (Maybe some deeper analysis of current issues?)
I'm so confused how Box doesn't have more people watching them. Your content is amazing, they way you spread information like that with in 2-4 minute video is crazy.
Vox* xD I'm sorry
+Jasmin Zhong Now they do
NORTH CAROLINA COME ON AND RAISE UP!
District 2 representin'!
+NemRaps Take your shirt off, twist it 'round yo head, spin it like a gerrymander'd state to favour one party over another in an attempt to dismantle democracy and the constitution.
just subbed yesterday, cant wait for more awesome content 😊
You guys are doing good work with your explainer videos. Keep up the good work! :)
Wow! A great video and very good synthesis in just < 3 minutes. Be blessed!
Canada's voting system is still fucked so don't feel too bad.
Robin sparkles!!! haha
+Mona Macallin ruclips.net/video/mCAiBmA_bK8/видео.html
Never new the full video existed 😂 thanks
2018 and you’ve got 5 million! Congrats on such quick growth!
Everyone should appreciate Robin Sparkles more.
+Alin Marginean ruclips.net/video/IY_bhVSGKEg/видео.html
Vox Thanks, I needed that. I'm still in the denial phase over it being over. Damn it, Patrice!
Can I just say that I want to give a shout out to the graphics department of Vox. Y'all always put out excellent looking videos, seriously on point.
LOL, "wear a nice polite country as a hat" (Canada)! You've got a new subscriber Vox! Cheers~
As a fellow videomaker, I love what your doing! Would you be hiring Canadians for your video department? Perhaps working remotly?
Very informative, great stuff
Robin sparkles!!
There's another thing Canada is good at - animation.
What does animation have to do with anything??
Thanks for all the awesome videos Vox
That was the most extreme case of deja vu, until I saw the description.
+MoptoppMusic Same!
I am bewildered and offended by what is happening in the US.
Keep up the great videos!
I never imagined wearing Canada as a hat. Someone go make that please.
So what are we doing to fix this? What could I do as an American citizen to fix this?
Move to Canada.
Flintstoned That doesn't really answer the question, nor is it a good joke.
***** I suppose you can write a letter to your representative, but since they benefit from this system, I expect it would go straight into the garbage can. Massive nationwide protests may do the trick, but I doubt it. Armed revolution if you're feeling ballsy.
(Or just move to Canada.)
+Jv Jones There is 2 fixes, firstly politicians control the re-redistricting process. In most states, state legislatures do so. In some states governors do so.
You could vote in state elections and thus give your preferred party control of the redistricting process. Much more fair, but unrealistic, is passing federal laws that make the redistricting process done, by independent commissions. But this obviously has the problem of how do you control biases within the commissioners. Further one could argue that at least currently the redistricting process is controlled by elected officials.
The reality in america is minorities tend to be clustered in major urban centers. Whites are more dispersed throughout a state. Rural whites tend to vote GOP. This makes GOP efforts to redistrict very effective. They simply need to concede the large cities, and thus can greatly exaggerate the districts that have a majority of likely GOP voters. DNC politicians would have difficulty doing this. IIRC the only rule is districts have to continuous, eg. a single district can not be split. In 2015 This greatly advantages the GOP, for many reasons too numerous to go over here, likely DNC voters have coalesced in big cities, while rural white voters are spread out over vast areas. This makes it easier to cut out areas with a majority GOP.
The best example is South Carolina. The GOP who controls the state legislature drew the districts in a way where 1 district is almost guaranteed to be held by a DNC candidate (jim clyburn), and the other 6 of the 7 districts of south carolina will likely be GOP controlled. This is called packing. There is 2 gerrymandering strategies, packing and diffusion. Packing = putting all of the voters unlikely to vote for you in as few districts as possible, try to make the opposing party's candidate win by as wide a margin as possible. Eg. Jim Clyburn beat the GOP candidate with 72.5% of the vote (obviously elections are won with more than 50% of the vote, so in effect this is an inefficient win by the DNC. Diffusion means trying to lower the percentage of voters unlikely to vote for you in as many districts as possible. Ideally you aim for something safe like 45%, so that your victories are efficient, there is always the danger of you losing, if you dont diffuse enough, or winning inefficiently if you diffuse too much.
Obviously the GOP likes the current system, but although they would never admit it, people like Clyburn, probably dont mind it. He gets a guaranteed seat in congress.
And to be clear, the reason we need redistricting is 2 reasons.
1. Different communities have different often competing needs. Eg. the military wants to build some weapon systems. congressman need to advocate for their district to be the area the factory is built in. This brings jobs and economic prosperity to their area. It lowers welfare outlays and crime, and increases tax revenue, improves schools and property values.
2. the US population changes and moves. Every 10 years the US conducts a census, and based on the total population of a state assigns it the number of congressional seats/votes it gets based on its population compared to the rest of the country. This number changes, thus sometimes districts need to be eliminated or created.
We need to switch to the shortest split line (or the closest we can get to that keeping counties together). Math has no bias unless you're Einstein or someone.
well the problem with that is communities of interest and representation
Here in Canada we don't vote directly for the Prime Minister at all.
That's true, but it's not the point of the video tho.
Vox has taught me so much, I love it
Bernie Sanders 2016!
+Davisx3m Feel the Bern
+Davisx3m He's like "oh, manna will rain from heaven and feed everyone and the government will pay for everything!" like lol no
#BERNITDOWN
+Spongeboob Bernie is an independent
Spongebob Bernie is an independent.
we need to do this now
I saw this video before.
its good to get a refresh
+abdi ali Oh I remember you from the test tube videos
Me too! I've seen both of you on TestTube!, and I think Abdi on Secular Talk, too, maybe?
David Sposito
Yep. I like secular talk aswell.
I'm at any educational videos.
I wasn't subscribed but I saw it already now a second time
Everyone gangsta with gerrymandering until the other party does it
The "Appreciating Robin Sparkes!" gave me a chuckle
Its also a very timely repost as we here in canada are having an election in just under a month from now. However, while we might be free of gerrymandering (for the most part) our electoral system still has plenty of issues that are often addressed by candidates, namely the 'first-past-the-post' system. Regardless of how our district are drawn up, if the candidate you vote for doesnt win in your riding by getting the most number of votes, your vote is thrown away, and with a 3 and in most places 4 parties to choose form the winner rarely actually gets a majority of the votes. This is how we end up with a so called 'majority' government despite the fact that most citizens (who voted) didnt vote for the said party.
Educational, thank you! Interesting to hear, it's nothing like this in Sweden!
Why do I have a déjà vu feeling that I've seen this video before its original post date..
Wow, this was filmed at 200k subscribers, now 11 million!!
Vox, In A Nutshell, and Big Think are my favorite channels
Is this a reupload?
Canada is a shirt not a hat Jesus
this video was a whole mess, the music had me dying loll
what song was at the end?
*Oh! Democracy is one hell of a practical joke.*
Do slaves voted themselves out of slavery? Ha, ha, ha XD
What is a better system then?
+Finding_Xeno Democracy isnt really in existence yet, not how it should be. America is known as a controlled capitalist run country, dressed-up as a democratic society. A Resource-based society where economy is based on the health and itelligence of the population, not gold. Maximum two kids per person. That'd work.
_"Democracy isnt really in existence yet, not how it should be."_ Sorry, but democracy is the problem. If democracy was worth something slaves would vote themselves out of slavery. You only need a big group of people to force others to make immoral and unjust laws into everyone's reality.
_"America is known as a controlled capitalist run country, dressed-up as a democratic society."_ Sorry, but capitalism is what is keeping the world economy a float, while the democratically elected governments destroy it piece by piece. You really do not know how economy works. And I know for sure that you ignore how the money in you wallet works.
_"A Resource-based society where economy is based on the health and itelligence of the population, not gold."_ You sure sound like one of those fascist crazy people, burtlangoustine1. You should thank intelligence isn't money, coz you sure will be poor.
_"Maximum two kids per person."_ And now you'll need a big group of people to force everyone into making this aberrant fascist wet dream of yours a reality. Democratically. You sure are one hell of a facist nut job, burtlangoustine1. What is next? Obligatory castration to those who oppose you?
burtlangoustine1 just think before commenting, I beg you to do so.
A year ago you guys only had 200,000 subscribers?
Joe and his team are great! keep up the great work!
Independent Commission? In Malaysia, such commission is also pretty much control by government party too, since the commissioner are appointed by the King 'under the advice of prime minister'.
And I heard that in Canada, prime minister is very powerful include directly appoint the EC commissioners?
So how independent is that?
Look at it as you want to, in the US, state divisions very often very clearly favour the party making the decisions; there is no correlation to be found between the ruling party in Canada and the benefits/disadvantages of new distributions for each party.
So we can say that either the commissions are truly not biased, or are so bad at pushing their agenda that it doesn't matter.
Or get rid of constiuencies altogether. It made sense to have your own representative in the 18th and 19th centuries, but today we have the internet and all issues are national issues. Imagine how much better we would be if we had a Party-List Proportional Voting system... That means each party gives a list of their 535 candidates, and you vote for parties. If one party gets 35% of the vote, then the top 35% of candidates on their list get sworn into office, etc. That way if a third party gets 5% of the national vote, they get to fill 5% of Congress instead of 0%. Diversity of ideas is more important than diversity of geography.
"Now there is 3.2 million of you, so we thought maybe we should reupload this for you guys."
thumbs up for that himym reference
strange how this only has 73,000 views
The video Trump and Hillary don't want you to see.
who? sorry, im from africa and im starving i dont know famous people im just a young kid that is hungry. donate .06$ to me?
Vox should do a video on how the Canadian Prime minister wants to change the Canadian voting system from first past the post to preferential voting.
In America you get to choose your leaders....
Politicians: UNO REVERSE CARD
Citizens: I’m in trouble
Welcome to the under 301 club. May I interest you in a menu?
+Naveen Kumaar I'd like one "first" please, thanks sir.
''301 views'' is removed and you will never see it again.
This old video underated.. need to bump it up! I guess no progress have been made to address this?
Too bad there's no LA office; I think I could make a good addition to the team.
If you have other older videos not many have seen do reupload them!
How is allowing random chance to decide elections, through arbitrary district lines, any better?
The name's pronounced with a hard "G" even though the term's pronounced with a soft G. And there's some interesting research showing that non-partisan commissions who emphasize keeping communities together and creating compact districts fare similarly poor on measures of partisan fairness. And yes, there's Iowa, but they have a computer program for it, and that works in Iowa because you have homogenous, square counties with small populations (except Polk) and no VRA issues. Sorry for nitpicking-it's a good video and I love Vox, but I'm a poli sci nerd who's easily nerd sniped.
Is this a deja vu or is this video is a repost?
Lol how I met your mother reference XDDD
Vox is awesome
My favourite part is the start, see how I write favourite? Hehe.
The under 301 club is nice lol!
''301 views'' is removed and you will never see it again.
Canada's member of parliament system is really terrible too
As a Canadian, I am so sorry your political system is so messed up. Also, I was watching this to study for my political science midterm, gerrymandering is now very clear to me 😂
i'm not seeing a position as Joss Fong's intern...
Why don't all the votes just get counted up in the database. Seriously why are there districts that only represent possibly 51%
Just allow only 4 lines when drawing a district. Problem solved (to a happy medium of fair and politics)
Or even just enact laws that force lines to be drawn in such a way that each area contains almost the exact same number of people.
Or just representative democracy ...
Robin Sparkles would look like Jem if she had pink hair.
LOL he talks about them wanting all 200,000 subs to have a chance to see it... we're now 3 years past the reupload, the sub counter is closing in on FIVE MILLION and the video has less than 200,000 views. D'Oh! Something went horribly wrong with the people subbing to Vox ;-)
The problem is there is no "non-partisan" anymore. It doesn't exist.
I LOVE CANADA!!! Happy to be a Canadian!!
Bernie Sanders for 2K16!
tell us how
Here we go again
Why talk about anything when we're allowing cheating?
Canadians are also better at pronouncing Poutine... It's pronounced like the words "Puts In" Say puts-in fast and there you have it.
This will NOT be the gerrymandering video i share. It does not really explain how the districts are drawn up. The music is distracting. The comments about how great Canada is compared to the USA will make this vid offensive to some, thus reducing your receptive audience. The creative metaphors about the shapes of the districts does not make anything clearer.
why not just have a better voting system that can't be corrupted by gerrymandering?
Now 3 million
now there is like 3.8 million subs........
Fortunately, the extraordinarily egregious political practice of hyperpartisan gerrymandering is explicitly forbidden in Canada.
As a Canadian though, our elections are far from perfect. Our First-Past-the-Post system is outdated to a ridiculous degree, and our Senate should be abolished- nay, must be abolished.
In America, politicians choose you
vox is awesome
As a tuque!
We -Canada- aren't your hat your our pants
“Independent commissions”
I like how this video is trying to educate us about america but then slaps it down and praises canada after braging about how polite canadians are.
But that's only the house. Senate and presidency is much much different.
In what world is 8 million=200k
I accuse you, Trump of Gerrymandering!
why is Canada so good at everything
Ugh I wish I live in the United States to work on Vox :
I don't like being called a hat.