Admirals Vs Commanders ISN’T CLOSE
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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Listen Sabo fans I love the guy Don’t come for me 😂
I'll come for you becuz I dislike Sabo
😂 sabo might be yonko level tho
3:20 Yes we are that's why Don Kreig is relative to Mihawk
@@LAWISTHEGOATfraud like you
Sabo is him trust he beats green bull ong
Remember people. JACK is a Yonko commander.
You act like Jack is weak Lol
Jack is strong
@@nobleemling7385 Sure, he is physically strong. But he as zero utility. I don’t even know how he would touch an opponent like Doflamingo who could just fly around him.
@@gmoney9469 kaidos words doffy is weak jack is strong
@@williebo510 Still haven’t explained how he’d defeat Doffy lmao
The fact this video needs to exist is why the One Piece community has some of the worst power scaling. Oda can't spell it out any clearer. The admirals are part of the top tiers period
*Shakky:* "Rayleigh and Kizaru are 100x stronger than you."
*Luffy:* "We're 100x stronger than before, Kizaru!"
*Oda:* "There, now my readers will know that Admirals and Yonkos are on the same strength tier! Nobody could possibly misinterpret such an obvious statement!"
*One Piece Fans:* "LOL luffy one-shot no-diffed Kizaru, sadmiral sisters cope harder 🤡🤣"
You’re right the community’s scaling is wrong just like this video
@@whosaidiwantedahandle Wait Didn't Shakky only said about Rayleigh??she didn't say anything about Kizaru
@@whosaidiwantedahandle You just proved that Yonkos are superior to Admirals cause Shakky was referring to old retired Rayleigh and never mentioned Kizaru, but even if it was prime Ray he's still weaker than any of the og Yonkos. You're just too biased for your own good.
they were, but then werent but now are back again, oda wrote a jumbled mess and presentend all the yonko commanders as big threats with crazy fights and feats we never seen before and wiped it out in a second. so its frustrating that hes circling back that admirals are again the most feared force in one piece
And this is why using postions is makes no sense in terms of scaling based off feats and narrative. The first commanders and second commanders are all varying in strength.
Zoro, Beckman, and Shiryu (maybe) are the strongest first commanders. But Bepo, Kat, and Marco are also first commanders. Using someone's position in a crew as a means of saying how strong they are just makes 0 sense
Fr bepo is on another level of hes own 🗿👍
Bepo is not on a yonko crew. Law is not a yonko. Bepo is not a yonko commander. Why did you even bring him up like what?
The fact you put shiryu above kuzan and King is crazy
@gamernate5244 Kuzan ain't a first Commander (he washes Shiryu) and I completely forgot about King tbh (he washes Shiryu)
Admirals vs Yonko commanders might be the dumbest debate in the one piece community.
When someone tell me that admirals = YC, I just let him be and do not engage in this debate. Because I know this guy doesn't even try to read and understand the manga and all the narrative implied.
So I cannot waste my time on this topic.
It's crazy to me how heavily downplayed the admirals are.
Fujitora fought Sabo while just clashing with him and he still overpowered him a few times.
Akainu fought against the Whitebeard commanders.
Gb fought and fodderised King and Queen
Fought off the rev commanders basically by himself while Fujitora was chilling trying to help the civilians while contemplating whether to let the revs destroy Marijoa.
Kuzan no diffed Blackbeards crew.
Blackbeard and his crew ran from Akainu who we know is stronger than Kuzan.
It's crazy that people come up with so many silly arguments to try and downplay the admirals.
Ben Beckman didn't do shit to Kizaru.
Kizaru fought off Old Rayleigh with minimal effort.
Took a named Acoc from Luffy's presumed second strongest attack and is still conscious while mentally conflicted.
A superior attack to the one that he used against Kaido and incompacitated him when it was a no named attack
The list goes on.
They’re not downplayed they haven’t done anything
-Fujitora did 0 damage to Sabo and it wasn’t just Fuji he was fighting an entire group of Marines that’s why he had a few marks but takes literally nothing from Fuji’s Raging Tiger. We saw ppl weaker than Sabo even before he ate the mera mera take no damage against Admirals soon as their fruit was mostly mooted. Green Bull had scuff marks before he faced Fuji while Morley was clean showing that Morley got the better of this restricted GB. And if you say I’m coping by saying Sabo took damage from fodder and that makes him look weak then scroll back to the end of MF where your boy Aokiji had multiple scuff marks from fodder. It’s not from Jozu bc he was drawn clean after the Jozu interaction. So while it makes little sense evidently in OP even high tiers can take minor damage from too much fodder. This was emphasized with Izo who although isn’t at the level of an Admiral is still relatively powerful being able to do a double knock out 1v2 against CP0 members who shitted on a flying six member and Apoo
-Akainu vs WB’s crew is one of the biggest lies in the community. Reread those chapter he literally fought them for half a chapter before other Marines join in. Can’t easily judge Marco since his wounds inconsistently come and go but Vista we see got out of the war pretty much clean. Akainu K.O.ed one fodder Commander after Marco and Vista were wasting time on fodder. Akainu I will admit obviously beats any Commander 1v1 maybe excluding Shanks depending on what their role is but Marco+Vista long term would own Akainu
-I agree an Admiral beats anyone on Kaido/Big Mom’s crew 1v1 and Karasu/Morley but King and Queen would have won if they were at full strength and by a comfortable margin
-Green Bull did not fight the Revs solo that’s agenda talking. We saw both of them fighting and Fujitora can’t openly happen the Revs. It’s obvious what happened is he helps them after they’re success on the low and GB sees and gets pissed. This part of the story has nothing to do with powerscaling it’s a character moment. Whether or not it was written in the narrative is “Revolutionary Army succeeded they’re a problem” the Gorosei literally tell us that
-Aokiji only defeated the lower tier underlings of Blackbeard. We don’t know who his top 3 are which might include Aokiji but Shiryu, Lafeet, and Van Augur haven’t taken a big L yet and you’re forgetting this was a year before the timeskip was over. Since Aokiji is a legit member of Blackbeard’s crew the cover story showing the right hand men objectively puts Shiryu over Aokiji, sorry dude I don’t make the rules
-Blackbeard ran from Akainu pre time skip 🤦🏻♂️ post time skip Dragon is running from Blackbeard
-Kizaru hasn’t done anything to Benn either? Benn wasn’t allowed to attack him they were there to stop the war not continue it. And you’re ignoring that Benn points his gun at him again in film red and he freezes. Oda is the executive producer and script reviewer of film red the feats are canon
-Kizaru literally said he can’t bring Rayleigh in before they even fought and after the fight takes a temper tantrum capturing 500 pirates to vent lmao Rayleigh was not getting tired that’s bullshit the Anime threw in. In the Manga he only sweats when he’s worried about the SHs and when he takes breathes in one panel it’s not exhaustion it’s because he’s trying hard to get past Kizaru. Literally the same way Snake Man was huffing against Kizaru. Pay attention to what Rayleigh says, I wish I could do more but I’m getting old. Meaning in his prime he’d be able to get past Kizaru asap and help them but now he can only do one at a time. Kizaru responds with you’re already holding back an Admiral and you want to do more you’re making me look bad. Rayleigh doesn’t perceive him as a threat only a distraction
-2nd strongest attack is headcanon Kizaru got bodied mid dif like I told you Admiral stans would happen when you got excited over early stages of the fight. Luffy wasn’t even using his strongest Haki bc if he had been it wouldn’t have physically touched Kizaru. If Luffy had been doing that he wouldn’t have needed Gear 5th and Kizaru would look “weak” unless Kizaru has an awakening to use but he doesn’t want to reveal it here. You guys pretend Kizaru was somehow at a disadvantage when it Luffy who was handicapped by Kizaru constantly running away running out his time limit, taking so much damage from the barriers that he felt like he was gonna die not even mentioning Kizaru’s kick, and taking his lasers for Vega Punk. We can’t even say for sure if Luffy used King’s coating that lightning could have just been regular armament
@@KurokamiNajimi God damn bro how long did that take you to write because it was an absolute waste of time.
You saying Shuryu in an art piece showing all of the Blackbeard pirates means he's superior to Kuzan because it shows him being closer to Blackbeard than Kuzan?
Is that the criteria for showing how powerful a character is?
If so that's kind of dumb don't you think?
I will admit Old Rayleigh is strong don't get me wrong but agenda aside Old Rayleigh knew he would not beat Kizaru in a prolonged fight. At best he can only stall Kizaru while the Strawhats try to escape, saying otherwise is cope because Sabody was literally to show off that the Admirals are not people to mess with.
If Old Rayleigh is as strong as you claim then why could he not defeat Kizaru who is so much 'weaker' than he is?
Saying that he is sweating because he can't get past Kizaru is head cannon.
Saying that prime Rayleigh would beat Kizaru is also head cannon because we can't say for sure how powerful Prime Rayleigh is.
You make the claim that Fujitora did nothing to Sabo but don't mention that Sabo did absolutely nothing to Fujitora either and even admitting that the Navy admiral should not be as weak as he was showing himself to be.
Fujitora even joked saying that he needs people to go easy on him.
If Fujitora wanted to capture or kill Sabo ,he could of done so anytime he wished but decided not to because he is not a bad person.
Acting like Sabo fighting off Fodder marines is so impressive.
You also say that GB got marks while Morley did not wow what a great argument there.
You claim Morley got the best of Gb?
Truly wonderful amazing that a rev commander doing his best to beat GB pierced his hand and that means he got the the best of his opponent.
That makes a lot of sense!
Meanwhile Gb is suppressed and complaining that he can't do anything as they are in the holy land of Marijoa and wants nothing more than to go all out to beat the commanders.
Vista and Marco did nothing to Akainu stop talking shit.
They would not beat him in the long run that's stupid.
King and Queen at full health would beat GB by a large margin.
Pure delusion as nothing would suggest that GB would even sweat against those two.
Ben Beckman did not do shit against Kizaru, Kizaru was trolling like he always does lol.
Kizaru hesitated for a moment?
Wow who knew that hesitating for a second makes you fodder now.
I guess when Ben hesitated to shoot Kizaru after warning him not to fire at the strawhats which Kizaru ignored that makes him fodder as well?
Nothing suggest that Beckman could stop Kizaru even if he wanted to.
You want to argue that Marco is strong because in the data books it said that he fought evenly with the Admirals at the marineford war?
Well in the data books it says Akainu is the strongest Marine in the navy's history which includes Prime Garp and Prime Sengoku who was portrayed as being the only people that Roger had fun fighting against.
Kuzan fought against Blackbeard crew pre time skip you said?
So that despite Blackbeard having the Darkness and Whitebeard's df he was begging Kuzan to spare himself and his crew is invalid.
Are you stupid?
Genuine question because you are cherry picking details.
I can cherry pick details as well.
When did I claim that Admirals could not be hurt by ordinary weapons?
Of course they can still be hurt by fodder.
Shanks lost his arm to a sea beast.
Whitebeard got stabbed by that one person who got tricked by Akainu and bled from it.
Sabo got pierced by an attack that King Cobra survived and he is fodder.
Dragon did not run away from the Blackbeard pirates because of Blackbeard what are you on about?
He ran because had he stayed the whole Navy including the admirals would have hunted him down and killed him.
You're right the second strongest attack from Luffy ,claiming it as such is head cannon but just look at the attack.
The admirals are downplayed.
Old Rayleigh is wanked like crazy when he admitted he would have lost to Blackbeard.
The same Blackbeard who lost to Kuzan ,ran from Akainu and got scared from Sulong Bepo(goat).
It has been shown time and time again that mental conflict weakens a character greatly.
Kuzan was getting fodderised by Garp who speed blitzed him multiple times when he was in mental conflict.
When he was no longer mentally conflicted he fought Garp and overpowered him
Shiryu the guy you claim to be potentially stronger than Kuzan took a hakiless attack from Garp and was on his ass unable to get up 🤣.
While Kuzan traded blows with Garp who coated his fists with Haki and beat him while still holding back as he did not use his df awakening.
Again I ask are you an idiot? because your arguments make no sense?
The barrier did more damage than Kizaru's kick?
The barrier almost killed Luffy?
The same barrier that Bonny survived?
Kizaru literally kicked Luffy out of Gear 4 causing him to transform into Gear 5.
Sure it does not show that Luffy is using Haki
But neither does it show Kizaru using Haki.
You saying Kizaru got mid diffed even though before he got distracted trying to shoot Vegapunk and missing on purpose making a joke and eating an attack straight to the head.
Don't forget Kizaru is down incompacitated not unconscious.
Would Luffy really use Arnament Haki against Kizaru in that moment when his friends are in danger?
You could make the argument when he first fought Kizaru greeting him with a kick.
Also you can touch your opponent with Advanced Conquers what are you talking about?
Old Rayleigh did not perceive Kizaru as a threat?
Another delusional claim with no evidence to back it up.
Kizaru saying that Old Rayleigh is making him look bad?
He literally says that without changing his expression.
@@errormessage1611 Do you not realize the irony of your first sentence lmao
@@KurokamiNajimi I do I did it on purpose lol
I respect you writing your arguments but I do still think your an idiot.
@KurokamiNajimi At least you 2 had fun making them, right? I enjoyed reading them lol
Even Green Bull said it would be embarrassing to lose to 2 commanders. Akainu is soloing every YC in the verse (minus beckman, kuzan, and mihawk of course)
Bro is not beating Oden or Prime Ray, and he'd be having an extreme diff fight with Kuzan.
@@narayasuiryoku1397 I don't know if Oden or Prime Ray were technically called YCs in their time. But yeah, I forgot about Kuzan
idk if he loses to beckman, but I agree with mihawk
@@arongebremedhin9764 By solo I meant at the same time. Beckman would be strong enough in a team battle to push the odds in their favor
Also Akainu is 100% beating Prime Ray and Oden in a 1v1
@@whosaidiwantedahandle oden mid-diff, rayleigh high-diff
Facts from what we’ve seen a commander can tangle with a admiral but as soon as a commander falters just a bit it’s over
"B-But Marco kicked Kizaru" 🤓
😂😂💀
Can you tell me what kizaru did to Marco who would put him above except the moment Marco had literally handcuff on
Jozu made aoikiji bleed but he got frozen after that so doesnt mean that much.
@@lowky5698 Kizaru was toying with Marco. It's hard to defeat him fast because of Marco's ultra regenerative fruit.
Big Meme was hold off by Marco for almost the same time he fought Kizaru and no one puts Big Meme on Marco level because of that.
Zoro vs Pica was much longer than Kizaru vs Marc yet it wasn't anything more than a low-mid diff fight.
Kizaru has better feats and portrayal than Marco regardless.
@@szarixon2798 you are telling arguments that literally doesn’t disprove at all Marco being on the same level ( you saying kizaru is toying with Marco is clearly not a fact at all and it was actually proofed that it was just kizaru personality as all since when figthing with some like luffy he has literally the same attitude. The only feat that kizaru has over are speed related one but even for that Marco was able to react to his speed at marineford you can’t admit it but yes there is absolutely no feat at all who could put kizaru way above Marco
Sabo didnt die to imu, so hes admiral level 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂you get it
Atleast he could move 😂
Wappol =admiral confirmed
Fr like I just don’t get this logic😭😭
Commander level is the most crazy thing in this fandom. I just view it as filler that can range from trash to right below the Admirals. And then you have Mihawk and… ugh. But people still comparing Admirals to commanders are crazy.
Kizaru must handcuff marco but even tho kizaru handcuffed marco you still think admirals are stronger than yc1 yes admirals are stronger than yonko commanders but alot of you guys interpret the debat it's mainly admiral vs yc1 and if kizaru has to handcuff marco then tell to me a world when kaido has to handcuff marvo to win😂 i know for a fact you saw marineford in anime if yes then go read marineflrd in manga those who watched marineford in anime your opinions we don't care about them since they are biaised as in marineford the toei added multiple things to favorise admirals like the fact akainu pushed marco which doesn't exist in the manga marco people continuously use the argument that garp pushed marco to say that admirals are stronger than yc1 even tho marco pushed aokiji and kizaru😂
People be watching marine poece over here don't forget one piece is a manga of pirates but you guys act like it's a manga of marines even tho it's a manga of pirates
When shilliew kill garp with his strategy oh shilliew is a fraude he did a strategy to get garp so shilliew is much weaker than garp oh but when kizaru did the same thing to marco no one talks😂
Shilliew is the second of blackbeard crew and was officially stated in a sbs he was the strongest of the ten captains of blackbeard and aokiji is one of them😂 but of course pro admirals will ignore that
@@Ectooooo bro what are you yapping about bro
Untill now the admirals are much superrerer than the yc by a great margent
if they want to discount greenbulls performance against kaidos commanders (which was still good but the yonko fans love to move goalposts) then literally look back to marineford where akainu stood up against whitebeards whole fleet and crocodile and was completely fine afterwards, if commanders were so close to admirals then marco and crocodile shouldve beaten that guy mid diff, op community is too funny man admirals are clear of any commanders not named kuzan or mihawk 😂😂😂😂
You realize he fought them for half a chapter right
You do realise that akainu didn't do shit to those yc also 😂
@@parmar__12Then why does one of them was lying on the floor burning?And yes,Oda in SBS 59 stated that Wb commanders are relative to each other
@@argentus9825 maybe because akainu cheap shotted him from behind ?
Because i sure don know Marco had no problems with his flames
@@parmar__12 So,Akainu attacking Curiel from behind is headcanon.And Marco have resistance to flame/heat based abilities and insane defense
B-But Jozu punched aiokiji 🥺
He lost a limb and got mid diffed, but I'll give it to him, he punched aokiji.
@@michaeldavis6993
neg diffed*
Sabo isn’t just a commander.Being the right hand to Luffy’s dad is already a crazy feat
It's crazy portrayal for sure, but idk if that counts at a feat?? I mean it is an achievement but actually idk but I still agree lmao
after reading 1098 spoilers,dragon is not that guy
@@Bon-Kaizer son of the strongest marine in history and father of a yonko is not that guy
@@Bon-Kaizer I agree
@@hueyfreeman2687 nothing you mentioned had anything to do with dragon specifically,just nepotism
Boi is back
I missed you to 🙏❤️
@@SuperiorI.Q❤
That line about the navy being stronger than before just seems like hype. Also don’t forget that includes the SSG too. Seraphims & new Pacifistas.
Based off that, i think Green Bull & Fujitora can be significantly weaker than the previous admirals.
That said, outside the ones you mentioned, I think King, Marco, Zoro & Sanji are the only commanders that can’t be low diffed by an admiral. Maybe Jinbe if near water.
Shanks other commanders are still an unknown.
Katakuri should be in question mark section for the fact that Oda districted him with germa when Aokiji invaded
If Katakuri goes in ? Theb so will king,marco and Ace
@@epokrandomv.2648 Kata is stronger than crocodile but croc is above him, makes no sense
@yungchameau I doubt that, current crocodile is featless, but the fact that his bounty is almost 2 billion is reason enough to suspect he is stronger than katakuri.
@epokrandomv.2648 Not ace, bro his bounty is 550 million, he has no haki and I'll refrain from going any further, but not ace.
He got punched by oven
Thanks so much dude!!!! Fantastic video🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
You’re my goat man 🙏
@@SuperiorI.Q Nah it's all you brother😭🙏🏿
Just take note that blackbeard’s crew, though may not up to par with admirals such as shiryu, they like to play dirty to get the job done
Don't forget the balance of three great powers. Gorosei and WG created the Shichibukai + Marine Admirals to take on 1 single yonko crew. The gorosei feared the scenario where they had to take on more than 1 yonko crew at the same time. Shichibukai was not abolished because they werent strong enough for the balance, but because they were not loyal. Also, not forgetting that just because they were admirals doesnt mean they can't climb to yonko level power scale, which is what will probably happen to Akainu EOS.
Awesome video man
❤️❤️🙏🙏
Was waiting for this vid fr
SOSAAA
@@SuperiorI.Q Who do these bitches love?? 🗣️🗣️
In your universe admirals are only going all out against each other. crazy
I knew I wasn't crazy for saying Kizaru stomps all the commanders.
Bro Benn Beckmen don't stand a chance in 1v1 against an admiral. He maybe did stall Kizaru for a second, but literally moments later Kizaru still attacks Law's submarine. It's best depicted in the mamga, where we see suprised pikachu face of Benn
Haven’t even seen the video
Already know it’s gonna be goated
🙏🙏🔥🔥❤️❤️
Prime Rayleigh is so overrated it’s noting. he sniffed Roger’s feet for one second and now everyone thinks he is near Roger’s level. Admirals are so underrated in the OP verse. Admirals>Raymid
Does Rayleigh need a full on screen fight to make y’all think he’s him? 😭oda made it loud and clear at his old age
@@SuperiorI.Q YES CAUSE HES MID😭
Kizaru himself stated he can’t defeat Rayleigh without reinforcement! And Garp said do you think we can take on 2 legends at the same time? Comparing Rayleigh to Whitebeard! Comparing those Overrated fodder admirals to prime Rayleigh is beyond delusional and disrespectful
@@Khaled68335 you mean Midleigh who was panting like a dog yh wizard was fine
He was mid diffing
any admirals past or current would beat the living shit outta rayleigh,rayleigh is a beast ,but admirals man,they're just on another level@@SuperiorI.Q
The only "Not close" video that doesn't end in high-extreme diff fight...
GB is a serious character and then all of the GB haters will say “wHaT aRe YoU tAlKiNg AbOuT?, gB wAs ScArEd By ShAnKs” so? Akainu was scared by shanks and akainu is always serious, so yeah all of the admirals are all serious
Its pretty simple admirals = yonkos>commanders excluding aokiji n mihawk n the only admirals u could argue to be below a top tier commander like rayleigh(who is currently the strongest commander imo excluding mihawk n aokiji) is fujitora n greenbull due to them not having enough to go off of but besides them the three og admirals r clear of any commanders
No one can beat 3 commanders leve😢
for me the old yonkos>admiral>commanders but new yonkos 3/4 of them are yonkos=admiral>commanders
Day one of asking for a fight between SuperiorIQ and Restless Gambler
Power outage had a three day streak 😔
RIP
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LMAO bro don’t let the streak end TECHINALLY THIS IS the 4th day you asked 😭🤣edit this rn
@@SuperiorI.Qwould be fire😉
I’ve always viewed admirals as baseline stronger than average number 1 commander and about and relative to but weaker than a yonko which makes them like commander level + even tho I acknowledge titles don’t necessarily equate to power
I don't even like admirals like that but you have to be a bit delusional to think end-game threats can lose to a King or a Marco. Another scene of portrayal which can be used for the side of the admirals was in Marine Ford, how many of the WB commanders were fighting for their lives to fend off Akainu from killing Luffy. IMO admirals are 85-90% the power of Yonkou, whereas commanders are around 65-70% the power of admirals.
Admirals aren't end game threat it's holy knights and 5 elders and imu
@@parmar__12 I'm not saying Imu and the Holy Knight aren't end game threats but let's be real, we're in the final saga and you really think the strawhats aren't going to come across more admirals? I'm not saying they'll be the final end game threats but they're still one of them.
@@yamikamisama9166 they're cool but I'll just rephrase dragon here
" the real battle begins when holy knights make the move "
@@parmar__12 Yeah, but those words can also be interpreted as their fight (the Revolutionary army) begins when the holy knights make their move.
@@yamikamisama9166 he says real battle not their
Marines aren't threat to them
I think only a small (anime only) minority thinks admirals>=commanders most ppl agree admirals>commanders
W vid dad luv u have a goof day akainu stay standing on business
Admirals = Rayleigh and Oden victims
If 1 yonko + 3 commander vs 1 fleat admiral + 3 admiral. Who would win?
bro the marines literally low dif
If it’s Sengoku and the og admirals they take it if it’s akainu and the new admirals they still take it no matter what yonko crew
Literally 1 admirals is enough for 3 commander , and here you saying 3 admirals vs 3 commander 💀
Greenbull would be struggling at least a bit if he fought healthy king and queen.
They were extremely beat up, and having them as comparison isn't fair.
Prime Ray is an admiral victim lil bro
Cap
@@SuperiorI.Q Rayleigh had a 3 day extreme diff fight vs whitebeards 15 year old orphan commanders lil bro
@@ReyesThaRula saying lil bro doesn't make your comment better
Actually, it's just weird af
@@ReyesThaRula3 days extreme battle 😂
(We'll immediately discard Aramaki and Fujitoro since they're not even close to the level first commanders).
Admirals≈First yonko commanders.
Admirals were never the equal of the Yonko.
New admirals only have 2 types of haki at the basic level, and old admirals only have one advanced type of haki.
New admirals can fight with very weakened commanders who cannot use their abilities and strength (Literally this is their maximum).
Sabo is not even close to King or Katakuri level (Mero Mero fruit is very powerful, but the fruit does not determine your victory).
In all his battles, Marco could not injure anyone, but could only delay them.
Kuzan is weaker than Old Garp (Admiral fanboys can't admit it).
And judging by the battle, Kuzan caught speedblitz 3 times.
The same thing will happen with Katakuri, because Luffy couldn't even touch Katakuri before learning advanced observation haki, so Kuzan will be catching speedblitzes again.
Kizaru has shown himself to be the strongest admiral at the moment, while Akainu still can't hit his target (Kizaru was lucky that in the Egghead arc Luffy Haki power was limited).
Admirals are the greatest force in the naval patrol, but that doesn't mean they are very strong.
And being an admiral doesn't give you much power in the case of Aramaki and Fujitoro.
you can agree dragon is above the yonko from past to present equal to pirate king and sabo equal to the yonko when he comes back even more stronger with conqueror's haki and devil fruit awakening
😭idk if I can agree on the equal to pirate king
wlll very soon when he come back@@SuperiorI.Q
With this video in context; Luffy post WholeCake was admiral level. He could move around Kaido but he got one tapped. Ironic isn't it. It's the sane situation; the yonko commander cannot injure a yonko but he can have a fight. So odd
Okay, I'm by no means saying that Sanji beats Sabo, but against Garcia Sanji got the "Lady buff" and still got smacked, So Sabo being able to run away at all even with the help of Cobra Is at least an observation haki feat or something, because there is no way ge got out of a building with a guy that can look at you and you'll be on the floor
Franky was able to move in Saturns range. I dont see you upscaling Franky. We dont know enough to scale it for sabo.
@sharkguy2340 I'm pretty sure Saturn has to look at you for you not to move because Franky could not move after he saves luffy, so upscaling Franky off of that wouldn't even make sense
Idk man if Sanji got his by that arrow I'm sure he'd be in really bad shape too, just like Sabo was. I think for Saturn's ability to work, you have to make eye contact with him, we didnt see Sabo make any eye contact so that's probably why it didn't work on him. Regardless, Sabo was barely holding on to dear life after getting hit by that arrow just once
Oda on his way to put admirals in a situation where they can't use their full power for the 546th time: 😈😈😈😈😈
Or maybe that's just an excuse
@@parmar__12 it's consistently shown in almost every battle they have that something whether it be orders or their own mind holds them back
@@TheDockent-u3f back in their mind 😭
You use this as a handicap for them but when it comes to their opponent like WB and garp who had holes in their stomach and we're constantly told in story through multiple characters that those wounds had significantly weaken them ,yet you admiral fans gas those encounters like admirals did anything there
Garp was blitzing aokiji's ass before his stab and even after that and WB was spanking Akainu whole In death bed
@@parmar__12 Lack of conviction is a much worse nerf in one piece, and we are quite literally shown that Aokiji actively was worried to hurt Garp and Garp himself said Aokiji was wavering. Anime filler made Akainu look abundantly worse than the manga. Had BB not arrived WB would have eventually died from the wounds Akainu gave him while Akainu was walking like nothing happened a week later
@@TheDockent-u3f WB would have died even if he had not fought akainu he was already past his limit he came here to die
And lack of conviction doesn't make you a punching bag lol
He showed nothing that could actually do against garp
“B-but Ben beckman scared kizaru” 🤓🤡
No wonder the comment doesn't have any like 😅
the fact that blackbeard ran away from akainu doesnt mean anything,blackbeard has been shown to avoid fights which were avoidable and the fight was avoidable
People say Greenbull isn’t impressive for taking out an injured King and Queen but choose to ignore hé tanked a conquerors coated attack from Yamato who previously was able to keep up with g4 snakeman Luffy just to body all of the scabbards which scale only slightly below the all stars at once while not even trying
So you’re praising him for getting blizted and kissing the floor where he himself says ow that’s some Haki you got there? And as if anyone expects the vast majority of characters to be able to take Admirals out in a couple basic moves? Lmao I can’t with Admiral stans this is a different new level of cognitive dissonance
You act like acoc attack by base yamato was going to murder someone 😂
Admittedly, the Admirals stand out slightly above the Yonko Conmanders. But I don't think by much.
We simply have to take into account that several... especially vice-captains are approximately at the level of their captains (viz Shanks/Beckman, Roger/Rayleigh or Luffy/Zorro).
And finally the same when we compare Shanks and Mihawk.
Anyway, if the Admirals were significantly outnumbered by the Yonko Conmanders. So the whole balance of 3 great powers would make no sense.
- Rayleigh, Beckman they are definitely admiral+ level.
- Sabo, Crocodile and even Zorro = Admirals level.
- Marco, King and Katakuri =< Admirals.
- And the rest < Admirals for now.
And that says something, don't you think? ...when you look at it as a whole.
I rather think that people overrate Admirals terribly. And that's only thanks to their very strong OP DF powers. But as Kaido said. Only Haki matters. And if you want to tell me that strong Haki users cannot succeed against them. Then Haki didn't even have to be created.
The whole three balance system doesn't make sense when you look at Warlord system. Let's be honest, who outside Mihawk is stronger as Warlord than Commanders?
I would say that Cracker alone is stronger than every one of them individually (Weevil's power is unknown. Also, Hancock and Crocodile pre-TS) except Mihawk.
Emperors and WG isn't balanced as well.
Whole three power balance system is made by WG itself.
Not counting Admirals, and Fleet Admiral, Elders who probably came up with this also know about this.
So you have Holy Knights, Elders, Imu, and Navy vs. Emperors. Which isn't balanced by any means. Especially when Kaido alone was sure that JUST NAVY has power to restrain them after removing Shichibukai system.
Roger put Sengoku (Admiral at that time) on same level as Garp, him stated and confirmed to be one of two rivals of Roger. (Road to Laugh Tale confirmed this. Not sure which vol though).
That's why imo:
Emperors >/= Admirals > Commanders.
Aramaki statement that Admiral can't lose against just Commanders is cocky but that comes from person who is considered a top-tier.
Chinjao and even Oda himself confirmed (When he talked about Bullet character) that to become strongest, Bullet would need to kill Admirals and Emperors.
Admirals were always compared to Emperors.
And the only moment where we haven't seen Admiral holding back at story (At Marineford, Sengoku stated they can't allow Marineford being destroyed, At Mariejois it was stated Fujitora and Aramaki can't go all out, Mental Nerfs of Kuzan and Borsalino etc.) is Aramaki vs King/Queen where he probably used enough power to just beat both of them quickly.
Compared to Emperors who were always said to be fighting without thinking
(Jinbei saying Newgate can fight as he wants as his Crew knows how destructive he is, Linlin simply not caring when she is mad, Kaido being Kaido etc.) It's clear that Admirals are closer to Emperors.
@@kfc-employee1380 That's your opinion.
But it is true that the Warlords system works inconsistently, especially with regard to the strength of individual members.
Anyway, the 3 great powers system has its justification and even the Warlords "organization" grouping. In principle, they can be considered an extension of the hand... for the Marine (WG) in the OP World.
The Marines operate over a huge area and must spread their force as evenly as possible. And that's why Warlords was created. It is basically a support org for them not only because of the other pirate crews coming to the New World, but also because of a certain counterweight against the Emperors.
It is true that Marines can compete with Emperors with their strength, especially if we include WG (CP0 - 9, Knights and Gorosei). Anyway, the Emperors have too much influence for the Marines to risk a direct confrontation with even one. We saw it well, with Paramount War... where Whitebeard went up against Marine. And they did quite well.
In addition, I repeat 1 - 3th once more. 1th Yonko commanders should be able to face Admirals with dignity. I'm not saying that they will beat them, but we have seen several cases where the 1st Yonko commanders against the Admirals did extremely well, see Rayleigh, Benn Beckman, Zoro, Mihawk, Marco, and finally even a Sanji.
I still think that even on the example of Amaraki and Shanks we can see the significant difference between Emperors and Admirals. The only thing that Admirals some extent it justifies them ...that we haven't seen them fight in full yet.
And also so far I have not seen even a single admiral (except Garp) have a very strong Haki, which for example, such Emperors have and can determine their strength on the basis viz Sky Splitting, Advanced conqueror's clash and so on...
My stance is that if you are a high Commander level fighter you can be effective against top tiers(in this case Admirals) to at least some degree. But not extremely. The difficulty is based on the matchup as well as how effective the Commander is. But then you have certain characters that I believe have genuenely seperated themselves from even the top tier Commanders as being able to be extremely effective against top tiers. People like Zoro, Law, Yamato and maybe a few others. These guys can put in very good work, but can't win in a 1v1 just yet. Like Zoro, who I believe is just one big step away from being able to go 1v1 with the Admirals and Yonko. Again based on the matchup.
Zoro learnt a lot back in Dressrosa and saw Luffy and Fujitora's encounter.After Fuji san kisses the sky , Zoro will search for his devil fruit and get it for himself.Every time he gets lost he can always float with zero gravity and see the right trail.
Marcos gotta be on par with the Admirals. Its stated he fought equally with the admirals. Big Mom says she doesn't have any spares for Marco. Marco also clashes with her. The Gorosei say Marco and the Whitebeard remnants can maybe put down Blackbeard(ofc he loses but just like Rayleigh against BB, it shows how he's viewed and his portrayal). BB only becomes a yonko after beating Marco + crew. He was 2v1ing King and Queen. He takes a punch from Garp, which keep in mind look at what Garp did to shiryu with one hit. Sure he doesn't do notable dmg to the ppl he fought, but he doesn't take any dmg too. He has the feats and portrayal to put him on that Admiral lvl
Marco wouldn't be admiral level. Akainu alone, by himself, took on Marco plus every single other Whitebeard commanders and they still couldn't take him down
@@rdrummer2 Akainu had backup, and Akainu didn't take anyone down too. We don't see Akainu directly 1vAll
That's why GB negged both king and queen (filler doesn't count cope) while Marco could barely stall them for 5 mins
@@Potto999 lol what backup did Akainu have? They were all taking on Akainu while he was actively going after Luffy and Jinbe. He was just mowing them down by himself, was he not?
@@tsumooger Negged a weakened King and Queen lol. Are we gonna ignore Marco blocking an attack from Mr. Highest Ap in the verse? Are we gonna forget Marco keeping up with Mr. Fastest in the verse?
10:30
Actually, that's a mistranslation. It was just mentioned that Navy became stronger, not that they are stronger than ever before.
Huh? Can you read
@@Naldinho456can you?
Read the comment properly he said it panel shown is mistranslated which isnt uncommon
Offical media doesnt mean its guaranteed to be a vaild translation
Admirals versus yonko commanders isn’t close
Unless we’re talking about mihawk kuzan & beckman 🗿
disagree
Edit: nvm he changed it
You mean Yonko commanders right?
Im sorry but bro Old Rayleigh is not relative to any admiral whatsoever every single admiral that actually trys would no diff him completely 💀💀 get him past Marco or Queen before disrespecting admirals by even comparing that King victim to any Admiral 😂😂
Prime Ray can only beat Fujitora due to Fuji not showing more of his power but Greenbull and above definitely slams him 😂, and also the world doesn't know Rayleigh is weak 😂 even himself knows his reputation and authority carries him not his power 🗣️🗣️💯💯 and people just glaze him for being a pirate king Right hand man when Yonkos can usually no-mid diff their vice captains easily and overall considering all aspects Roger can high diff Gear 5 Luffy in my opinion so Roger would mid diff Prime Ray in terms of narrative, portrayal, statements, feats,
Sabo gets negged diffed by any admiral if no people are around there's no argument for him rn
This what happens when ppl don’t read the story properly and just powerscale
@@SuperiorI.QI read the show and powerscale if it's just everything you said about Old Ray or things can be said about Prime Ray can all be proven wrong and debated of why every admiral besides Fuji can beat him and in his old age even some YC can beat him imo this old characters are humans they will obviously get weaker they aren't Big Mom or Kaido💀😭🙏
Facts
So da I mean superiorIQ are you gonna make a video on chapter 1096.
I never even read the chapter ngl to you 😭🙏gonna read it today tho with the official translation
@@SuperiorI.QI sure hope you didn't see the spoilers
Greenbull just didnt wanna fight 2 strongest yonko crews at the same time and Fujitora could solo Dresrossa if he wanted and later he meg diffed Jack of the Beast Pirates. Same thing Greenbull did to Queen and King. Yss they were injured, but outcome would be the same anyways. Kuzan shows with just Van Augr on the Whole Cake and kidnaps pudding while Cracker and Katakuri are there. Power level if bounties dtermined strenght: YC up to 2 mil, ADMIRAL 3-4 mil, YONKO 4+ mil
Tbf we haven't seen much of ben beckmann so would be interesting to see what he can do and Rayleigh is hella strong
Admirals haven't shown much feats either. Only admiral that defeated yonko commander till now is greenbull and they were exhausted too. It is just doesn't make sense to compare them to yonko after so many years,they haven't done sh1t. Only exception is akainu.
Superior I wanna do a live debate with RUclipsr zero it should take place on your discord
Ppl are undermining Sabo, Sabo is the strongest current right hand man other than benn beckman, they are the top 2. We also know that Sabo trains, I have Sabo >= fuji rn. Sabo is luffy and aces brother he’s him. Eos Sabo will be bare minimum high admiral level.
I was thinking about making a video on this welp time for a new Idea 😭
The second you said old rayleigh is someone you'd look to for a comparison to admirals I knew this video was dead
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This only applies to beast and big mom commanders when it comes to admiral fodderization commanders
Doffy and maybe Katakuri will at least end up at the question mark before the series is over
YC1 level
Obviously they're not 'commander level' as it isnt a thing.
Admiral level=greenbull, fujitora, aokiji, akainu, kizaru (at marineford)
From feats, the rev commanders are around this level.
Rayleigh is at this level, ben beckman is at this level.
Sabo is above this level.
Current kizaru is above this level.
Actual top tiers are above admiral level, such as (in no particular order):
Akainu
Kuzan
Shanks
Mihawk
Blackbeard
Old garp
Old sengoku
Medicated Oldbeard
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8:15 thats not a valid argument, BB only takes fights when he has an advantage. man literally ran away from rayleigh. even if blackbeard beats akainu , akainu would probably kill off most of his crew. BB has more to lose regardless if he wins or loses. theres 0 reasson or gain for him to take that fight. BB never said he couldnt beat akainu he said hed RATHER NOT FIGHT HIM, magellan also caught BB off guard which is basically BB weakness as WB said. bb always fucks around at the start of the fight it literally hapened IN EVERY FIGHT WE SEE BB IN, but when he gets serious magelan is reported on deaths door, luffy/ace beat down, scared shanks pre fruit, folded law etc.
Him running away from rayleigh means rayleigh is him. Plus he didn’t have his entire crew with him and the ones he did have were already froze.Blackbeard at that time said he ain’t ready for Akainu with his entire crew plus 2 fruits. He literally faught law with a couple of crew members.
@@SuperiorI.Q invalid argument. BB only left marinefort UNTIL AFTER SHANKS CAME. He had 0 problems fighting sengoku/garp prior. Whether you think BB wins or loses to akainu dont change the fact that it is a close fight. He set up an ambush for the worst gen trio so regardless if his entire crew is not there he still had and thought he had the advantage.
@@neos5432 don’t really care if it’s a close fight the fact of the matter is he ran away from a solo admiral with his entire crew. Blackbeard runs up on ppl all day without no particular advantages besides his crew fighting with him. He’s simply not ready for Akainu. To assume Blackbesrd would take on Akainu at that moment if he had a so called “plan or something” is just head canon
@@SuperiorI.Q thats the title of your video but if you want to go there then the point still stands BB ducked cause he had everything to lose, why you ignoring the fact he didnt duck GARP/sengoku who we know garp took aokiji to high diff (aokiji is akainus rival). So is akainu stronger than both garp/sengoku or what? You not making sense.
@@SuperiorI.Q its funny you will die on that hill but forget that AOKIJI (akainus rival) had to use hostages against that same pre skip BB and in the end had to join under bb as his henchman.
Admirals are not Yonko level obviously. But they are stronger than commanders. I would put them somewhere in between, Commander are as far from Admirals as Admirals from Yonko.
Ppl here definitely underestimate & downplay Marco, like he literally proved he can do good enough to hang with an Admiral especially with the mythical df abilities to give them a hard time. There’s also statements to back this up & his portrayal is high for a commander. Sabo gets put higher for less feats & assumptions while Marco who actually went toe to toe with Kizaru for a bit, had run ins with the others & was able to handle Akainu’s raged magma punch isn’t? Lol. It’s also pretty obvious Marco’s main roles in these arcs have been to support allies, there has not been a scenario where we see his full potential & him going all out on someone. In Wano he was only stalling King/Queen & showed some attacks he didn’t at MF so who’s to say he doesn’t have even more than just a few basic named attacks if every time we see him he’s pullin out new moves. Marco got the feats & portrayal to back it up unlike most ppl on this list but gets put in the same low bracket as those other guys, yea right
Crocodile can Probably win High Dif against Ryokugyu.
Because his DF is an extreme counter. Aramaki df is useless but he definitly has advanced Armament and Observation. The difference between Admirals and even the stronger commanders is if you take away an admirals devil fruit. They are still commander Level. If you take away Crocodiles fruit, as far as we know he is borderline fodder, but his mastery over his fruit and onowledgeof basic haki make him formidible. So it evens out to high dif
I’ve always thought that crocodile could take out aramaki, I feel like that’s gonna be a future fight but idk I just wanna see crocodile do something he’s one of my favourite characters, same with doffy but I feel like he won’t get reintroduced into the story for a while
Drop op🙏😭
I think it’s a debate for shure cause Ben in my opinion is comparable to admirals and zoro I believe is close to that level 2 but then we have katakuri who isn’t even close to that level yet and king who is very matchup dependent but I still think he isn’t a match for admirals
And I believe to say a yonko commander can’t give a admiral or even a yonko a mid to high diff fight is wild but yeah all this is mainly matchup dependent
@@razorrrsixx and i believe you should stop reading one piece
@@clydebecker2664 pfff you just have a basic opinion if you really think abt it op fights are mainly abt matchups the same way luffy couldn’t beat mr1 in alabasta and zoro couldn’t beat crocodile neither they where character made for that matchup
The narrative for the Admirals is them getting mid diffed by Sabo and Luffy’s crew in like 20 minute fights. Only Luffy has extreme dif fights. If they can win mid dif then ppl like Warco can win extreme dif excluding Akainu he beats them all except maybe Shanks’ top men if I’m correct about Red Hair Pirates being the final opponents
2:36 Thanks God Rayleigh protected poor Kizaru from the strawhats 🙏😌🍑💨 I cant even imagine how would end career of my favourite admiral after facing mighty Аcoc 3.0 Usopp
All you gotta know is ace is a commander Akainu is an admiral
Akainu no diffed him
okay, how would you rank these, yonkos, admirals, commanders, warlords
yonko > admirals > commander = warlords (warlords weirdly range from yonko to low commander lvl)
Some Yonkos are stronger than some Admirals, Some Admirals are Stronger than some Yonkos. If I had to choose, I’d say the Yonkos have an edge. Commanders are capable fighters but for the most part they cannot pose a threat to Admirals or Yonkos in a 1v1. There are exceptions like Mihawk, Kuzan, and Rayleigh. Warlords are all over the place but I’d say they are low commander level except for a few outliers. There’s a lot more nuance than what I stated but that’s generally how I feel about them.
If King and Queen were fully healthy, then Greenbull would’ve beaten them at high difficulty…Even if you dropped Jimbe against an unhealthy K%Q he would’ve low diffed them the same way GB did… they were on their last straw
Idk about the whole Jimbei part ngl to you but I don’t know what suggest that king and queen can challenge a admiral
@@SuperiorI.Q
Tell me how Greenbull, Kizaru, Fujitora can harm King at all. King slaughters them in a 1v1.
I could've included Akainu with them as well but it'd be a harsh truth for his fanboys.
@@Dracule18 King got clapped by Zoro who has less AP than any of those characters you listed. Besides, Kizaru's lasers and Greenbull's fruit are both dura neg.
@@szarixon2798
Zoro's AP>Fraudbull, Fujitora, Oneshotaru, Kuzan, Wankainu.
None of these 5 have conquerors haki, the only thing that can harm a lunarian.
@@Dracule18 What are you smoking to think that Akainu doesn't have conqueror's?
Crocodile beats an admiral cause when mihawk will fight zoro he will be fighting sanji 🗣️🗣️
Yes indeed, & Brook will be fighting Moria. Jinbe will fight Doflamingo or Weevil.
Sanji fans wants more from zoro's narrative
Lol you people are leaches
The only commanders that can actually somewhat even fight the admirals should just be the wb commanders considering they can actually react and clash with the admrials but they still do just lose to the admirals.
This also doesnt include guys like mihawk and Rayleigh as they can just fight admirals. Zoro and sanji as well fighting admrials is debatable. Using greenbull beating up on king and queen isnt a great argument considering they were heavily injured.
Its also clear the admrials have levels of strength and can get stronger over time witch is why akainu goes from struggling with sick beard to being the goat of the navy
Sengoku and Garp vs Shiki sounds awfully similar to Kid and Law vs Big Mom
We gotta leave greenbull alone. A healthy king and queen would’ve extreme diff’d greenbull im sure. Non-canonically zoro was going hard with fujitora. But let’s be real, we have commanders like Beckmann that are more powerful in theory than a lot of captains. Each matchup is a one on one, unpopular opinion, buggy washes zoro lowdiff simply because of the match up
Am not sure if akainu ever solo the commanders. If i remember correctly when coby stop him it does indicated that akainu had half of the remaining marines bavking him
Only Ben Beckman is a commander that's able to beat an admiral
Mihawk
@@azafu8942 forgot but he's self explanatory
The admiral slander is so fucking stupid. And the fact that it stems from Kizaru not having the will to kill his friends in a series where will is the greatest source of power is just so annoying. Dude literally went out of his way to miss a bunch of shots on Vegapunk but people think he fought Luffy with any other intent than to dodge the guy for a sec lol. Not to mention that the attack that got Kizaru got Kaido in his hybrid form and did the same damage. But naaaaah admirals weak.
Mihawk stomps on any admiral.
Only fujitora gets high diffed by him
@@tsumoogerMihawk ***** on any Admiral sry.
@@tsumoogeryea most of them gets mid diff by him
Bro the fact you need to make a vidéo about this is sad 😭
Ma man zoro took a combined attack from two yonkos and kizaru couldn't handle a normal acoc attack smh
Ben the databook beckman ain’t doing shi-🤡
I’m joking guys
All that brother has is databooks to his name 😭😭
Sabo fought fugitora and was shown bleeding and hurt fugitora walked away unscaved. i don't know why people think sabo is so good.
When you said they never showed an Admiral going full power then, Then doesn't that mean AKAINU WAS HOLDING BACK AGAINST CANCER BEARD??????
So Whitebeard went to a war where only him could take 6 people in the war😂 that answer y’all questions plus Ace wasn’t even the war
The commanders are cool, but theyre not beating admirals. I can see one like Ben Beckman give an admiral a good fight, but imo, he won't win. The only "commander" I see beating an admiral would be Mihawk because i see him as an equal or slightly above Shanks. Besides that, ain't no way any commander is beating any admirals
I mean hell, in Marineford, Akainu took on all the Whitebeard commanders and the entire crew on his own and they couldn't beat him. So where does this whole "commanders beating admirals come from"?, I have no idea
And before any of you bring up acoc, first of all, we don't know which admirals have it and who doesn't. Just because you're an admiral doesn't mean you can't have conqueror's haki, otherwise Sengoku shouldn't have it.
W video overall
Thank u
I been saying Ace is fodder with that mid devil fruit
U shut ur dirty mouth😡
Zoro could take an admiral ,hes haki right now is well-polished that could cut greenbull into halves,i tell you conquerors haki would play a big thing ,when you fight againt them.
Lmao. Commanders vs Admirals. What's Blackbeard's tenth Titanic Captain supposed to do against Aokiji?
I don't understand the plot...
1) Marco get toe to toe with Kizaru for a brief period whil losing constantly to Akainu.
2) Green Bull took down two commanders yet they are wounded and injured heavily tho.
3) Kizaru was scared of Benn Beckman and there may be a particular reason or so.
4) Regarding Rayleigh vs Kizaru, I clearly blame Ray's old age.
1) Just because Marco had a brief dual with Kizaru doesn't mean he's on par with his power. If any admiral were to be serious they'd wipe out the commanders except Zoro, Benn and Rayleigh. (Not saying Zoro can beat any admiral, I'm implying that he would give some challenge to one) Kizaru decimates Marco mid diff. Akainu low diffs.
2) Greenbull wiped out King and Queen who were heavily injured, and he would surely beat both even if they were healed anyway, however it'd be 3x more difficult. Greenbull wins Extreme diff.
3) I don't get where you got this "Kizaru was scared of Benn Beckman". Could you give me a source? I'm forgetful. Beckman is a formidable foe and the fandom is divided on who wins.
4) Old Rayleigh is pretty overrated imho. His stamina and lower physical stats are what hold him back.
@@Jestiii Kizaru cancelled his charged attack because of Beckman's presence at Marineford... He was being sarcastic? Hell no... That was a crucial point and a Marine Admiral wouldn't pull off a half joke... Plus Kizaru being sarcastic is always for showing his dominance but in Beckman's case he was surely petrified...
@@calypso1145 Breh no. Kizaru's always sarcastic even when situations get tense. This is one piece, not your average Shounen manga. Even In Egghead he's not serious at all, it's his characteristic. Just like how Bonney is a glutton, it's their nature. However I acknowledge that Beckman could've damaged Kizaru had he shot him in marineford.
@@Jestiii He's always sarcastic but usually, he still fought with that nature but in Beckman's case, he didn't even gave out an attack... He even cancelled out his concentrated beam...
@@calypso1145 That's because Beckmann is a feared pirate. Shooting the concentrated beam even when he is telling you not to do so, with a death threat, is stupid. It still doesn't change the fact that Kizaru is high 24/7
So the man base the power of admiral on the word of a pre-time skip luffy and dochingjao both who got foderrized by an admiral and who didn’t even have a chance to go against a yonko crew. Aokiji having better portrayal than shiliew make sense since he for the story it’s extremely better to see a aokiji vs garp than a shiliew vs garp. And even with the man who actually make the biggest damage on garp was still shiliew. Using Blackbeard words to put admirals over is also kind of stupid tbh the man is literally afraid by anyone who is a top tier. And didn’t want to figth Rayleigh even after two years as a yonko. He also didn’t want to figth aokiji he literally doesn’t take any figth which he hasn’t plan before. Every top commandant like zoro,king ,Marco and even katakuri has way to either counter an admiral attack (Marco fruit, future sigth katakuri, zoro endurance and lunarian ) and even hurt him with zoro acozc , power devil fruit and haki for the others. By the way if you don’t want to put shiliew over aokiji bc of narrative of him being an end opponent for zoro tell me the reason why you fricking putting mihawk on shanks level bc off narrative every portrayal wouldn’t even put him over that same commander level you trashing
Yonko commanders are weird, u have mid characters in there like jozu, marco and you know the rest
Then you have mihawk who can low diff admirals and is stronger than the current fleet admiral
I need one feat from kizaru against Marco that actually put him above him ? The man wasn’t able to defeat until he was caught off guard and with handcuff on
Just read the story and you can get your answer
@@SuperiorI.Q nigga if you don’t have an argument pls remain silent it embarrassing
@@SuperiorI.Q okay i will give you another chance show me one feat from aokiji actually overpowered jozu without him being distracted(stayed by aokiji by the way)
@@lowky5698akainu took on all the whitebeard commanders at the same time and got past them who were trying to protect Luffy fairly easily. That same akainu took 10 days to beat aokiji (extreme diff fight). Here's your answer
@@lowky5698marco can never push luffy in g5 like kizaru did he will be low diffed by snakeman who was easily defeated by kizaru.. akainu was equally fighting Wb who is definitely stronger than marco and all admirals are relative to him... marco was defeated in the war against Blackbeard but bb is afraid of akainu and aokiji also solo'd half his crew and bb was afraid to fight him too.. aokiji also defeated garp.. admirals are the counter parts of yonko they are relative to each other otherwise kaido and big mom wouldn't have wanted to team up to go against them since according to your logic commanders can fight admirals so kaido alone could have defeated the navy..
yonko ~ admirals> commanders