@rar23424 I just got to act 3 and you reminded me that I knocked those guys out and never went back for them lol hope they made it out alive by themselves!
It's actually pretty simple to do, me and a friend killed Ethel before she made it to her lair without any cheese strategies or anything on honor mode.
then they all wanna act surprised when come Act 3 they find he’s left a note explaining how he’s left the party to find artifacts himself, or to explode somewhere in solitude. Got my dad to play BG3 and he told me about Gale’s note, and I asked him how he, a clear psychopath, could’ve raised such a well-adjusted human being as myself and he just laughed at me😭😂
Lol, Gale at that point was like a pet goldfish…who I neglected
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Seriously! All he needs are *three* items. And don't tell me you're using every single magical item you pick up. There's a stupid hat that, if you're playing a bard, is totally useless for anything other than making you look like an idiot while you run around the Sword Coast. If you can't use the items for their magical purpose, the only use for them is to sell for gold. And since you don't get a score based on your gold, you know what the main purpose of gold is in BG3? PAYING FOR YOUR WIZARD TO LEARN SPELLS!!! Feed Gale, you crybabies and stop whinging on about your loot.
It actually kind of pisses me off. Like, it's made pretty damned obvious what he's about to do and we have no option to even attempt to stop him? Then we have to watch her poor brother stare down into the lava that burned her to death right in front of him. Because we were forced to stand there and watch. I'd rather try and fail than not be allowed to act, you know?
Uh. I guess my game glitched? Cause I saved her and spoke to her afterwards. I interrupted the cutscene by sneak attacking Nere with Astarion, there wasn't a lot of time but it is do-able.
@@BigDaddyPaladinthat’s amazing for three reasons: (1) Meerna doesn’t have a voice actor credit on IMDB (2) There is no record of her dialogue anywhere on Google or RUclips, and (3) according to the Baldur’s Gate 3 wiki, she is deemed impossible to save and there is no mention of hidden or glitched dialogue.
When Ethel said "Sutton farm, check if you like" regarding the brothers I really expect them to be there as a pair of dung beetles or something. Ethel after all does have a very twisted sense of humor. 🤣
I actually saved Smythin in my first run: I unlocked the gates which led to the spider pit, they rushed up, and I convinced them to attack the goblins with Speak to Animals and a successful Persuade roll. The spiders then tore through the nearby goblins, including the ones about to kick him into the pit. They ignored Smythin, and when I got near he thanked me for saving him.
I saved Smithy accidentally on my first playthrough! I had a spider pet, and in early patches, goblins would always run away from spiders. So I ran to Smithy, and the goblins who throw him in the pit ran away my spider. Make sure I save Smithy every run now 😁
The goblin failed their role to push him and then they all stood there awkwardly till I killed the leaders and all goblins attacked me Dude wouldn't speak to me tho, me thinks it be the trauma
I wondered why the Goblins were no longer scared of spiders 😒 didn’t realise it was a patch/error thing, I just assumed they were scared of spiders because of Mintharas spiders
Killing Auntie Ethel is way easier if you just let Shadowheart use 'Silence on her as soon as you open the door. She will turn her self invisible but unable to do anything else. Use a spell to be able to see her and perhaps let Lae'zel cut her down. I know it's not a lot of fun but it works.
@@RedAngelXV faerie fire isn't a bad spell but I wouldn't recomend it there. It has a saving throw and if ethel pass it, then you still can't see her. While a water bottle works 100% of the time (if you know where she is.)
@@isaz2425 guess I just have good rng then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ **ive never had any major problems with it revealing hidden enemies, if anything ive accidentally revealed my own invisible party members lol
6mo later, but I learned that you don't want to let the goblin out if you freed the spiders and they're still alive. The spiders don't care that he doesn't serve the Absolute and kill him on-sight.
You can also help auntie Ethel when she asks for it when first meeting her with the brothers. If you trigger nonlethal and knock them out you can then tell Mayrina that is what you did when meeting her with Ethel. No bodies of brothers appear and Ethel doesn’t make a seemingly deceitful comment about them going home.
Some of those NPC's are "designed" to die. Meaning that even if you do manage to save them in game, any dialogue options that may mention them still consider them as dead. Guess they're there for dramatic effect. But some can be saved indeed. Smythin can be saved and gives an inspiration point, though never saw him later. Trapped goblin is an easy save after you've cleared the place. Corliss - well, she's a cultist so who cares. Meerna will be considered dead even if you do save her. Abdurak was never in danger there, unless player decided to attack him. Mayrina's brothers can be saved with easy talk, right when you meet them - just say that you've got own business to deal with when they mention that they've got to find her, don't offer help and that's it. They do run off but they will not die and according to story they've returned to their farm after not finding anything. Masked people can be saved - at least some of them - by simply dealing with the hag. In both cases. Some have gone too far of course and are vegetables, but those which count will be fine. If you get into fight with them, simply knock them out and don't kill them. Then deal with the hag and done.
about mayrinas brothers: you can just side with ethel when they confront her and just knock them out when fight starts. when you first talk with mayrina you can even tell her you ko'ed them. same goes for masked victims - knock them out, and after ethel fight you can take off their masks and they wont die.
The Spiders in the Goblin Camp will eat Brakkal if you set them free first. You'll still get his dialog, but it was funny to go to the trouble of releasing him just to look over and hear him start screaming as the big spider takes him down.
saving the hag masked victims, you can knock them out in normal play, but don't loot the masks (that kills them), you can loot everything else if you choose but leave the masks- after a long rests they are free.
You can remove the masks, but only after defeating auntie Ethel (the long rest is still needed to talk with them). But as you said, if you remove the masks before killing the hag, they will die aswel
For Corliss, there's a way to get into the top level of the monastery without triggering the cutscene. Near the waypoint there's some vines you can climb and a wall you can break to get there. You can attack the githyanki from up there too which should let you save her. With the Mask of Regret, you can also still save her even if the hag goes into the hideout. You just need to switch to non-lethal damage and knock them out.
You can also try to "sneak past" using the masks in the previous room and the Protection from Good and Evil spell, but the "Enemy" Masks will be summoned to the Hag's side in the final fight, so your best bet is to knock um unconscious with non lethal dmg. The Whispering Mask also let you pass the poisonous gas without needing to use Disarm Trap, so still might be worth trying for some people.
Easily did this without sneaking too. I don't often sneak as a Barbarian but when was running around up there near the Lathander Puzzle and that ivy vine that goes down to the door, the fight will start, no cutscene. Unfortunately a few times I've done this Corliss didn't run so I had to get either Lae'zel or my Barbarian down there.
I used to be able to save Meerna if I attacked Nere before the cutscene, but now it is not possible, Larian did some changes in their updates making impossible to be able to save her. Every time players find ways to change the rules Larian correct it later, many "cheats" that I used before I cannot use it anymore. My friend who plays evil runs said to me that it was easier kill everyone in the grove and still have Karlach and Wyll in his team than now!
You can save Mayrina's brothers by knocking them out "protecting" Ethel, and then killing Ethel before short or long resting or teleporting anywhere else.
I killed Nere by casting Hold Person and shooting him at range to never trigger the cutscene. But she disappeared anyway and they treated her as if Nere killed her.
I killed all the dwarves except the two near the boat landing, then when I freed Nere he attacked me instead of activating the cut-scene, so Meerna survived (I was flagged as an enemy of the guards so make sure you get seen killing some of the dwarves)
You can also save the rothe from the duergar herdmaster. Select the “leave” option from the triggered conversation, cast “speak with animal” then attack the rubble. This will trigger a conversation with one of the rothe, and you can use a speech check to either convince the rothe to submit to the duergar or to attack the duergar. The latter option will cause the duergar to turn hostile, but the rothe will now be marked as allies. After the battle, the rothe will clear the rubble if asked. It always makes me feel good to fight alongside the rothe as they get revenge on the duergar.
You don’t have to prevent Ethel from going down to save the masked victims. You can just turn on Non Lethal mode during the combat, don’t loot their masks, kill Ethel, then loot their masks, Long Rest and you can interact with them and get the cut scene. The Halfling one with the hammer will go on a revenge path and leave while the others stay and you can also save the petrified dwarf in the main entrance if you throw Basilisk Oil on him (still wait for Ethel to be dead first though)
I saved Smythin in the goblin camp, literally did a run just to save him for fun. Made a ranger with crow summon, used fly that casts blind upon landing then used arrow of many targets to kill all the guards around him. Then I knocked him out and put him in a box and carried it out of the goblin camp and released him outside the door, where when he came too he ran right back inside. Following him he went straight back to the spot where you save him, was two hours into this so I gave him a push and let the spiders have him.
I once accidentally saved Corliss by approaching the place where she and her halflings are with the githyanki from the side of the balcony above them. The place seems far enough to not trigger the cutscene.
All you have to do to save Meena is press the attack button (button on the bottom left on a PC) before Nere yeets her into the lava. It will interrupt the cutscene and say "Are you sure you want to attack". Answer yes and the fight begins before she is killed. If Nere hasn't tossed her in the lava yet I count that as a save, whether or not she disappears then.
This is exactly the way I did it, super easy but you miss out on being able to side with the druegar and have to fight all of them. if I'm not mistaken
Sadly it doesn't stop the cutscene and further dialogue talking about her death. So it's still definitely her dying, even if you don't see her in the cutscene going into the lava. It's fun to imagine you saved her but that's just not the truth. Sorry 😔
“I was hoping to save them to see if they had unique dialogue thanking me” Meanwhile, me, a civilized Tav: I learned to save them to see if I could harvest them for XP.”
Now saving Alfira if you play as Durge is complicated... There is even a way to save alfira and the other bard, but you would softlock that durge personal quest if you do... (and would miss a lot of long rest cutscenes and interactions too, so it will screw over your save, but hey you can save them, read an article about that)
You can simply stun the Hag victims at first encouter as I did. Unmasking them at that point kills them, but if you will stun them, then kill Hag, then go back - you can safely unmask them. After long rest you can talk to them
Meerna; Precasting a sphere of silence before blowing the rubble also prevents a cutscene. Meerna is uninteractable. Disappears if attacked to knock out
meerna is hardcoded cutscene, looking through the dialog trees for Welso (in the decompiled game files), she always dies, there is no other dialog route.
1. Go to the back, through the old forge. 2. Stack boxes until you can see the back entrance where Nere is trapped. 3. Use a teleportation spell for yourself and a companion. 4. Open the back door or knock it down. 5. Paralyze Nere with magic and kill him easily and take the head. Note 1: If you do this without paralyzing Nere or outside an area of darkness or smoke, Meerna will have low morale with you and will run away in fear and disappear, but will not count as dead. Note 2: Leaving Nere unconscious does not complete any mission. Note 3: Opening the entrance after you kill Nere or not does not provoke a fight with the duegar. Note 4: Doing this bugs the gnome quests and they no longer complete, as the scenes do not develop and most of them no longer talk to you. If you want to free them you will need to kill all the Duegar present.
with brakkal the goblin the the cage, i've always been able to disarm and open his cage by just sneaking where the gobbos can't see me. they don't even get angry when brakkal jumps out and runs right past them. holding shift shows you the gobbos' field of view, so just sneak where they can't see you (usually right next to brakkal's cage door)
Meerna is one of the few scripted deaths. Even of you save her, which I did, by basically select the "attack" button on the corner of the screen once the cinematic starts, and killing Nere, the NPCs act as she died and she remains there, can't be talked with or interact with in any way.
i saved smythin a few days back.. the way i did it.. was stay hidden whilst directly looking at the goblins that normally would push him. i put the thing that stops time on. and used gale with magic missile and wyll with the scorching magic ability that is similar to magic missile but instead is fire based. and when i saved the guy. he thanked my character then ran off. the only one i am curious about if you can save him is kanon. as you say nothing in the game is impossible.
Hmm......... I have an idea, but no idea if it will work. It's kind of convoluted. 1. break Nere free, without triggering the cutscene (can do it as a transformed druid too) 2. create an oily surface AROUND him, but not beneath him. 3. put some crates on top of the surface, and some explosive barrels on top of them (enough of them to 1-shot Nere) 4. move Meerna away, and keep 1 character with her 5. set the oil on fire with another character 6. switch back to your character, that's next to Meerna and see what happens The idea is to 1-shot Nere, but delay the explosion, so you can be with Meerna when he dies, and also make it seem like "an accident", rather than you being directly responsible for it.
This the kind of stuff I like to do in a game of this type. It's about problem solving and puzzle figuring. Anyone can zerg through a game, which is unfortunately the predominant playstyle for one too many games. I like to search all chests, move all moveable items and dig in places for possibilities of what might be there. Disappointed when there's nothing? No. It's the fun of exploring.
Funny you need to interrupt neres cutscene. My most common (kinda) softlock is that nere doesnt walk out, thus not triggering the cutscene. And if i attack him without the cutscene more people turn hostile than i want to.
I remember for Meerna I was trying to do the fight with the drow and found out that I could one shot him with ranged attacks. Doing so will save her but it dose require luck and precision. If you get too close it triggers the cutscene and she dies.
You can save the masks by simply knocking them unconscious on your way to Ethel. There's an option in common skills to trigger non-lethal attacks. I do this every time because ultimately it doesn't really make the fight any harder - you just have to make sure to last hit them with melee.
You also can save the halfling victim when you talk with her while she has the mask and there is a check in dialog. After that the dialog option "because of your help i managed" will trigger after you rid of the hag.
I tried so hard to save the gnome that gets pushed in lava no matter what she dies. If you manage to "save" her she just disappeared and her brother cries about her being dead
3:13 little info, been there yesterday after i got Loviatar's blessing , but i decided to not let him run away wich was not that easy, since he tries to speedhack away once he gets damaged from the player, however, when you gathered the "wood woad shield" you get access to the binding spell on it, and if it is your first attack, he can not run away, wich gives you a window to actually kill him, wich is the only way to get loviatars scourge if you happend to steal the ritual weapons before taking a beating since in that case, loviatars scourge as his only remaining weapon does not appear in his shop menu. however, killing him removes the permanent "loviatar's blessing" so be carefull with your timing based choices there. 17.12.24 - tactician
You can save Merrna. Just tske your group up to the ruins on your left. Get one down and attack one of the dwarfs near the door. Clear the room. Then come down and blow the ruble, nere will be already hostile without a cutscene.
There is a way to save her (Meerna). You need to click on the attack button during the dialogue (bottom left corner of the screen) and attack him before he kills her.
Also did save Mayrina's brothers in my Durge playthrough, because I wanted to maxout Shadowheart approval, and that is the option that she approves of...
Apparently as a Bard if you never interact with Ethel until the brothers are talking to her, you can pass an insight check and then call her out on lying and imply that she is in some form of disguise and she will vanish away leaving the brothers behind
for me, for meerna, i speedily click through the dialogue and enter the options to fight with or against him and the audio isnt caught up so when you do engage in battle meerna is still there....somehow.
I saved Meerna by attacking the Duergar before clearing the cave-in. But while she lived, the other Deep Gnomes would just act as if she was tossed into the lava anyway. This was probably in patch 4 or something though, so it might be different now
you can actually save the hag mask victims if she gets into the hidden staircase; once you get passed the door, you just need to knock them out using the non-lethal toggle, but leave the masks in place (i.e. don't loot them). when you come back, they're awake and free of the masks. It's worked on my last three playthroughs
Im fairly certain that I managed to save Meena in my Durge playthrough I killed all the Duergar before blowing up the rock wall. The gnomes didnt say anything different than if the duergar were all still alive, but when you blow the rocks up Nere walks out and as hes attempting to kill them, you can interupt and stop them.
I snuck past the masked victims under Ethel's house and if you do, she summons all four of them in the fight making it even harder. If you refuse to kill them in the fight and take care of Ethel, they'll be free and give you the same dialogues as before like in your video.
I actually saved the first encounter you did, way waaay easier, you can get close to githyanki from the balcony up top and hit with the ranged spell, or you can open gates from within the monastery which will also let them get away
I saved Smythin on my second playthrough because I was just running through the goblin camp killing everything. So I just walked up to them and pushed them off and saved him.
@@PedroViniciusRC what did you actually do? After you blow the blockage Meerna appears outside, if you put sanctuary on her before you talk to Nere she does not get pushed into the lava. She does not respond to you after this though because she is meant to have died.
I never knew Smythin existed until this video. :o I've been in the spider pits to hang out, but I've never even noticed his corpse. Or I'm so used to looting bodies it didn't register with me he was an NPC beyond a function to just lay there XD I enjoy freeing Brakkal. I do that every time I go through the goblin camp. He's just so sassy haha! I absolutely love that some of the NPCs that seem unsaveable are saveable. They even gave them dialogue, which makes is so fulfilling to find a way
Smythin! My first playthrough i played a tree hippie ultra pacifist druid, and thus did my absolute best to ensure as few people died as possible (lots of nonlethal damage and talking my way out of situations). And I've always hated goblins. I quicksaved when I first saw them because I knew they were going to try and kill him. I did what you did, except i wildshaped into a cat and lead the gobs into a dark corner where me and my homies brutalized them. Saved Brakkal too. No innocent people died frivolously in that playthough unless it was scripted (Meerna, etc.)
I don't think you can really call Brakkal innocent. He admits to being a true follower of Maglubiyet and wants the goblins to go back to their old ways. Maglubiyet being a very bad dude and the old ways being kill people and take all their stuff.
5:04 I did this by attacking Nere before the cutscene triggers, but Meerna automatically disappears. I've done it several times, but as soon as the fight starts, she just disappears. Apparently, she can't be saved.
i was able to save meerna but it glitched out the quest with siding with the mercs and not being able to proceed with the quest. also killed nere with meerna still alive but everyone thinks she dead
Lol, I just sprinted to Smythin and attacked the Goblins. It aggroed Rogzlin and everyone else, but after I killed everyone, Smythin was still there cowering and just thanked me as well.
I did save smythin my first play through. I was sad with how little it seemed to matter, every playthrough since then he has died and i have no idea how i saved him the first time
You can also try to "sneak past" the Masked Hag victims by using the masks in the previous room and the Protection from Good and Evil spell, but the "Enemy" Masks will be summoned to the Hag's side in the final fight if you do it this way, so your best bet is to knock um unconscious with non lethal dmg. The Whispering Mask also let you pass the poisonous gas without needing to use Disarm Trap, so still might be worth trying for some people.
10 things you didn't try yet in Underdark: ruclips.net/video/d1AzXu2fMyU/видео.html
Meerna is a clear case of “When the DM says no” :P
The fact that Larian had a cut scene (saving the hag victims) that less than 1% of players would ever run across is mad.
You can just knock them out and come back after killing the hag to get the same cutscene.
@rar23424 I just got to act 3 and you reminded me that I knocked those guys out and never went back for them lol hope they made it out alive by themselves!
It's actually pretty simple to do, me and a friend killed Ethel before she made it to her lair without any cheese strategies or anything on honor mode.
UNFORTUNATELY nothing ever comes of it for the rest of the game even at the end when there's letters from all the people you helped
@@MercurialDecreeThats untrue one of the victims shows up as part of the anti-hag group in act 3.
Please feed Gale an item, I’m begging you 😂🤣
Remember kids: always feed your pet wizard, lest he explode! 😂
then they all wanna act surprised when come Act 3 they find he’s left a note explaining how he’s left the party to find artifacts himself, or to explode somewhere in solitude.
Got my dad to play BG3 and he told me about Gale’s note, and I asked him how he, a clear psychopath, could’ve raised such a well-adjusted human being as myself and he just laughed at me😭😂
Yes, thank you!
Lol, Gale at that point was like a pet goldfish…who I neglected
Seriously! All he needs are *three* items. And don't tell me you're using every single magical item you pick up. There's a stupid hat that, if you're playing a bard, is totally useless for anything other than making you look like an idiot while you run around the Sword Coast. If you can't use the items for their magical purpose, the only use for them is to sell for gold. And since you don't get a score based on your gold, you know what the main purpose of gold is in BG3? PAYING FOR YOUR WIZARD TO LEARN SPELLS!!! Feed Gale, you crybabies and stop whinging on about your loot.
You cannot save Meerna by attacking Nere at any point before the cut scene, she just disappears.
I think i remember saving her by triggering the stop! option before nere push her.
@@ombretv2323no you didn’t, she simply is not savable, no matter how many clickbait videos claim you can.
It actually kind of pisses me off. Like, it's made pretty damned obvious what he's about to do and we have no option to even attempt to stop him? Then we have to watch her poor brother stare down into the lava that burned her to death right in front of him. Because we were forced to stand there and watch. I'd rather try and fail than not be allowed to act, you know?
Uh. I guess my game glitched? Cause I saved her and spoke to her afterwards. I interrupted the cutscene by sneak attacking Nere with Astarion, there wasn't a lot of time but it is do-able.
@@BigDaddyPaladinthat’s amazing for three reasons: (1) Meerna doesn’t have a voice actor credit on IMDB (2) There is no record of her dialogue anywhere on Google or RUclips, and (3) according to the Baldur’s Gate 3 wiki, she is deemed impossible to save and there is no mention of hidden or glitched dialogue.
You can actually encounter the Mask of Regret later in Act 3 as part of Mayrina's Anti-Hag group.
When Ethel said "Sutton farm, check if you like" regarding the brothers I really expect them to be there as a pair of dung beetles or something. Ethel after all does have a very twisted sense of humor. 🤣
They are lol they show their as sheep or something like that but you wouldn’t know it’s them unless you animal speech
I actually saved Smythin in my first run: I unlocked the gates which led to the spider pit, they rushed up, and I convinced them to attack the goblins with Speak to Animals and a successful Persuade roll. The spiders then tore through the nearby goblins, including the ones about to kick him into the pit. They ignored Smythin, and when I got near he thanked me for saving him.
Same!
I saved Smithy accidentally on my first playthrough! I had a spider pet, and in early patches, goblins would always run away from spiders. So I ran to Smithy, and the goblins who throw him in the pit ran away my spider. Make sure I save Smithy every run now 😁
All non-hostile npcs would run from pets. Not just goblins.
The goblin failed their role to push him and then they all stood there awkwardly till I killed the leaders and all goblins attacked me
Dude wouldn't speak to me tho, me thinks it be the trauma
I wondered why the Goblins were no longer scared of spiders 😒 didn’t realise it was a patch/error thing, I just assumed they were scared of spiders because of Mintharas spiders
I saved him by going around to the side where Minthara is and just throwing an invis potion at him from atop the wall.
Killing Auntie Ethel is way easier if you just let Shadowheart use 'Silence on her as soon as you open the door. She will turn her self invisible but unable to do anything else. Use a spell to be able to see her and perhaps let Lae'zel cut her down.
I know it's not a lot of fun but it works.
The easiest way to be able to see her is either to use a damaging aoe (like cloud of daggers) or throw a bottle of water
She can't get away because she uses a spell to unlock the door behind the fire pit.
@@isaz2425or fairie fire, that also gives your attacks advantage on her☺️
@@RedAngelXV faerie fire isn't a bad spell but I wouldn't recomend it there. It has a saving throw and if ethel pass it, then you still can't see her.
While a water bottle works 100% of the time (if you know where she is.)
@@isaz2425 guess I just have good rng then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ **ive never had any major problems with it revealing hidden enemies, if anything ive accidentally revealed my own invisible party members lol
The second guy that gets kicked into the spider pit survived because I turned him invisible 😂
i didn't know the goblin in the cage could die, I didn't interact with him until i had already killed all the other goblins.
6mo later, but I learned that you don't want to let the goblin out if you freed the spiders and they're still alive. The spiders don't care that he doesn't serve the Absolute and kill him on-sight.
"Saved By a Thread" must be the one inspiration that almost no one got.
You can also help auntie Ethel when she asks for it when first meeting her with the brothers. If you trigger nonlethal and knock them out you can then tell Mayrina that is what you did when meeting her with Ethel. No bodies of brothers appear and Ethel doesn’t make a seemingly deceitful comment about them going home.
Aren't they polymorphed into sheep and you find them in Act 3? Or was that a false rumor?
Some of those NPC's are "designed" to die. Meaning that even if you do manage to save them in game, any dialogue options that may mention them still consider them as dead. Guess they're there for dramatic effect.
But some can be saved indeed. Smythin can be saved and gives an inspiration point, though never saw him later. Trapped goblin is an easy save after you've cleared the place. Corliss - well, she's a cultist so who cares. Meerna will be considered dead even if you do save her. Abdurak was never in danger there, unless player decided to attack him. Mayrina's brothers can be saved with easy talk, right when you meet them - just say that you've got own business to deal with when they mention that they've got to find her, don't offer help and that's it. They do run off but they will not die and according to story they've returned to their farm after not finding anything.
Masked people can be saved - at least some of them - by simply dealing with the hag. In both cases. Some have gone too far of course and are vegetables, but those which count will be fine. If you get into fight with them, simply knock them out and don't kill them. Then deal with the hag and done.
I've had deep dramatic cut scenes about wyll's dead father, while he was standing right next to me with ! over his own head. silly stuff
about mayrinas brothers: you can just side with ethel when they confront her and just knock them out when fight starts. when you first talk with mayrina you can even tell her you ko'ed them.
same goes for masked victims - knock them out, and after ethel fight you can take off their masks and they wont die.
The Spiders in the Goblin Camp will eat Brakkal if you set them free first. You'll still get his dialog, but it was funny to go to the trouble of releasing him just to look over and hear him start screaming as the big spider takes him down.
One of Mayrina's brothers split from the other and went a different direction in my last playthrough xD
I also found only one body in the swamp.
saving the hag masked victims, you can knock them out in normal play, but don't loot the masks (that kills them), you can loot everything else if you choose but leave the masks- after a long rests they are free.
You can remove the masks, but only after defeating auntie Ethel (the long rest is still needed to talk with them). But as you said, if you remove the masks before killing the hag, they will die aswel
Meerna's death is weird since your PC just stands there with their arms crossed and looks bored while that poor woman gets murdered mere feet away.
For Corliss, there's a way to get into the top level of the monastery without triggering the cutscene. Near the waypoint there's some vines you can climb and a wall you can break to get there. You can attack the githyanki from up there too which should let you save her.
With the Mask of Regret, you can also still save her even if the hag goes into the hideout. You just need to switch to non-lethal damage and knock them out.
I stealthed my way through here with the entire party, because I didn't want to trigger a fight. Took me several tries.
You can also try to "sneak past" using the masks in the previous room and the Protection from Good and Evil spell, but the "Enemy" Masks will be summoned to the Hag's side in the final fight, so your best bet is to knock um unconscious with non lethal dmg. The Whispering Mask also let you pass the poisonous gas without needing to use Disarm Trap, so still might be worth trying for some people.
Easily did this without sneaking too. I don't often sneak as a Barbarian but when was running around up there near the Lathander Puzzle and that ivy vine that goes down to the door, the fight will start, no cutscene. Unfortunately a few times I've done this Corliss didn't run so I had to get either Lae'zel or my Barbarian down there.
I saved meerna by saying stop to nere before he pushes her in the lava
Helping you fills MY heart with joy!
I used to be able to save Meerna if I attacked Nere before the cutscene, but now it is not possible, Larian did some changes in their updates making impossible to be able to save her. Every time players find ways to change the rules Larian correct it later, many "cheats" that I used before I cannot use it anymore.
My friend who plays evil runs said to me that it was easier kill everyone in the grove and still have Karlach and Wyll in his team than now!
It used to be possible to recruit headless Karlach, but no longer :(
You can save Mayrina's brothers by knocking them out "protecting" Ethel, and then killing Ethel before short or long resting or teleporting anywhere else.
0:29 lmao now you sound like me on shooter games, mostly with halo back in the day and trying to keep the marines alive
I killed Nere by casting Hold Person and shooting him at range to never trigger the cutscene. But she disappeared anyway and they treated her as if Nere killed her.
I killed all the dwarves except the two near the boat landing, then when I freed Nere he attacked me instead of activating the cut-scene, so Meerna survived (I was flagged as an enemy of the guards so make sure you get seen killing some of the dwarves)
You can also save the rothe from the duergar herdmaster. Select the “leave” option from the triggered conversation, cast “speak with animal” then attack the rubble. This will trigger a conversation with one of the rothe, and you can use a speech check to either convince the rothe to submit to the duergar or to attack the duergar. The latter option will cause the duergar to turn hostile, but the rothe will now be marked as allies. After the battle, the rothe will clear the rubble if asked. It always makes me feel good to fight alongside the rothe as they get revenge on the duergar.
You don’t have to prevent Ethel from going down to save the masked victims. You can just turn on Non Lethal mode during the combat, don’t loot their masks, kill Ethel, then loot their masks, Long Rest and you can interact with them and get the cut scene. The Halfling one with the hammer will go on a revenge path and leave while the others stay and you can also save the petrified dwarf in the main entrance if you throw Basilisk Oil on him (still wait for Ethel to be dead first though)
I saved Smythin in the goblin camp, literally did a run just to save him for fun. Made a ranger with crow summon, used fly that casts blind upon landing then used arrow of many targets to kill all the guards around him. Then I knocked him out and put him in a box and carried it out of the goblin camp and released him outside the door, where when he came too he ran right back inside. Following him he went straight back to the spot where you save him, was two hours into this so I gave him a push and let the spiders have him.
bg3 is about doing the impossible, make me feel very happy accomplishng it
I once accidentally saved Corliss by approaching the place where she and her halflings are with the githyanki from the side of the balcony above them. The place seems far enough to not trigger the cutscene.
Me too! I did this as well! Up there is the perfect spot to avoid the cutscene.
that cat trick was smart, i just sniped them with a crossbow and fought them before they aggroed the boss.
All you have to do to save Meena is press the attack button (button on the bottom left on a PC) before Nere yeets her into the lava. It will interrupt the cutscene and say "Are you sure you want to attack". Answer yes and the fight begins before she is killed. If Nere hasn't tossed her in the lava yet I count that as a save, whether or not she disappears then.
This is exactly the way I did it, super easy but you miss out on being able to side with the druegar and have to fight all of them. if I'm not mistaken
Sadly it doesn't stop the cutscene and further dialogue talking about her death. So it's still definitely her dying, even if you don't see her in the cutscene going into the lava.
It's fun to imagine you saved her but that's just not the truth. Sorry 😔
You really think you're the only genius who tried this ? It doesn't work
“I was hoping to save them to see if they had unique dialogue thanking me”
Meanwhile, me, a civilized Tav: I learned to save them to see if I could harvest them for XP.”
Now saving Alfira if you play as Durge is complicated... There is even a way to save alfira and the other bard, but you would softlock that durge personal quest if you do... (and would miss a lot of long rest cutscenes and interactions too, so it will screw over your save, but hey you can save them, read an article about that)
You can simply stun the Hag victims at first encouter as I did. Unmasking them at that point kills them, but if you will stun them, then kill Hag, then go back - you can safely unmask them. After long rest you can talk to them
Or didn’t kill them or even didn’t attack them at all while fighting with her.
Sadly only one of the Masks has anything useful to say to you, and also turns up again in Act 3.
I think we need to show my mans the attack option in the dialogue/ cut-scene and the non-lethal damage toggle!
Meerna; Precasting a sphere of silence before blowing the rubble also prevents a cutscene. Meerna is uninteractable. Disappears if attacked to knock out
meerna is hardcoded cutscene, looking through the dialog trees for Welso (in the decompiled game files), she always dies, there is no other dialog route.
1. Go to the back, through the old forge.
2. Stack boxes until you can see the back entrance where Nere is trapped.
3. Use a teleportation spell for yourself and a companion.
4. Open the back door or knock it down.
5. Paralyze Nere with magic and kill him easily and take the head.
Note 1: If you do this without paralyzing Nere or outside an area of darkness or smoke, Meerna will have low morale with you and will run away in fear and disappear, but will not count as dead.
Note 2: Leaving Nere unconscious does not complete any mission.
Note 3: Opening the entrance after you kill Nere or not does not provoke a fight with the duegar.
Note 4: Doing this bugs the gnome quests and they no longer complete, as the scenes do not develop and most of them no longer talk to you. If you want to free them you will need to kill all the Duegar present.
locking the hag out of the lair is pretty funny
I couldn't get the arcane lock to work on the stairs, she poofed away.
with brakkal the goblin the the cage, i've always been able to disarm and open his cage by just sneaking where the gobbos can't see me. they don't even get angry when brakkal jumps out and runs right past them. holding shift shows you the gobbos' field of view, so just sneak where they can't see you (usually right next to brakkal's cage door)
I mean ... two of these you could've hit the crossed swords button during the cutscene and fight to prevent them from being killed
Meerna is one of the few scripted deaths. Even of you save her, which I did, by basically select the "attack" button on the corner of the screen once the cinematic starts, and killing Nere, the NPCs act as she died and she remains there, can't be talked with or interact with in any way.
i saved smythin a few days back.. the way i did it.. was stay hidden whilst directly looking at the goblins that normally would push him. i put the thing that stops time on. and used gale with magic missile and wyll with the scorching magic ability that is similar to magic missile but instead is fire based. and when i saved the guy. he thanked my character then ran off. the only one i am curious about if you can save him is kanon. as you say nothing in the game is impossible.
Hmm......... I have an idea, but no idea if it will work. It's kind of convoluted.
1. break Nere free, without triggering the cutscene (can do it as a transformed druid too)
2. create an oily surface AROUND him, but not beneath him.
3. put some crates on top of the surface, and some explosive barrels on top of them (enough of them to 1-shot Nere)
4. move Meerna away, and keep 1 character with her
5. set the oil on fire with another character
6. switch back to your character, that's next to Meerna and see what happens
The idea is to 1-shot Nere, but delay the explosion, so you can be with Meerna when he dies, and also make it seem like "an accident", rather than you being directly responsible for it.
Even if you go that route with brothers, you do find them dead deeper in swamp near her house.
This the kind of stuff I like to do in a game of this type. It's about problem solving and puzzle figuring. Anyone can zerg through a game, which is unfortunately the predominant playstyle for one too many games. I like to search all chests, move all moveable items and dig in places for possibilities of what might be there. Disappointed when there's nothing? No. It's the fun of exploring.
Once, I freed Brakkal after freeing the giant spiders. He thanked me for freeing him and then was instantly killed by the spiders.
I have one shot Neer before he even passed the doorway. You can't save her.
I actually managed saving Corliss by attacking the gith from above, but she sped off too quick to do anything
Funny you need to interrupt neres cutscene. My most common (kinda) softlock is that nere doesnt walk out, thus not triggering the cutscene. And if i attack him without the cutscene more people turn hostile than i want to.
Tryed to block the hag´s hidden stairs but somehow she still got through.
I remember for Meerna I was trying to do the fight with the drow and found out that I could one shot him with ranged attacks. Doing so will save her but it dose require luck and precision. If you get too close it triggers the cutscene and she dies.
You can save the masks by simply knocking them unconscious on your way to Ethel. There's an option in common skills to trigger non-lethal attacks. I do this every time because ultimately it doesn't really make the fight any harder - you just have to make sure to last hit them with melee.
You also can save the halfling victim when you talk with her while she has the mask and there is a check in dialog. After that the dialog option "because of your help i managed" will trigger after you rid of the hag.
I 'saved' corliss, only to hae the cutscene trigger after she had escaped, and somehow manage to still catch a bolt.
I saved smythin by accident by starting combat before he was pushed off. I was stealthed on the upper area
I'm the legend that saved this poor man from falling into the spider nest. But he died in the fight I triggered 😂
that second one where the guy falls. could you maybe put a spider web where he would land? since it prevents fall damage
I tried so hard to save the gnome that gets pushed in lava no matter what she dies. If you manage to "save" her she just disappeared and her brother cries about her being dead
The one in the goblin camp is saveable. When you want trigger a big fight. You can also talk after that with him.😂
3:13 little info, been there yesterday after i got Loviatar's blessing , but i decided to not let him run away wich was not that easy, since he tries to speedhack away once he gets damaged from the player, however, when you gathered the "wood woad shield" you get access to the binding spell on it, and if it is your first attack, he can not run away, wich gives you a window to actually kill him, wich is the only way to get loviatars scourge if you happend to steal the ritual weapons before taking a beating since in that case, loviatars scourge as his only remaining weapon does not appear in his shop menu. however, killing him removes the permanent "loviatar's blessing" so be carefull with your timing based choices there. 17.12.24 - tactician
You can save Merrna. Just tske your group up to the ruins on your left. Get one down and attack one of the dwarfs near the door. Clear the room. Then come down and blow the ruble, nere will be already hostile without a cutscene.
There is a way to save her (Meerna). You need to click on the attack button during the dialogue (bottom left corner of the screen) and attack him before he kills her.
@GAMOTALK
Pickpocketing the victims of the hag even after I killed her, kills them too
Also did save Mayrina's brothers in my Durge playthrough, because I wanted to maxout Shadowheart approval, and that is the option that she approves of...
I knocked out her Mayrina's brothers and got the option to say, I fought your brothers but knocked them out and she just started crying again.
Apparently as a Bard if you never interact with Ethel until the brothers are talking to her, you can pass an insight check and then call her out on lying and imply that she is in some form of disguise and she will vanish away leaving the brothers behind
I saved smythin by accident a few times it gives you an inspiration lol
1:48 i just attacked the goblins from affar first thing as soon as i understood the situation
for me, for meerna, i speedily click through the dialogue and enter the options to fight with or against him and the audio isnt caught up so when you do engage in battle meerna is still there....somehow.
1:37 I just did this the other day and shoved the goblin off. The npc sat there as in ally in combat and never did anything. Vanished after the fight.
I saved Brakkal on my first playthrough.... every playthrough since, he aggros as soon as I free him.
I save Mayrina's brothers without even knowing knowing they would die. Cool
I saved Smithy on my first playthrough... for like 3 turn... I made too much noise and the whole camps started to attack us!
I saved Meerna by attacking the Duergar before clearing the cave-in. But while she lived, the other Deep Gnomes would just act as if she was tossed into the lava anyway. This was probably in patch 4 or something though, so it might be different now
you can actually save the hag mask victims if she gets into the hidden staircase; once you get passed the door, you just need to knock them out using the non-lethal toggle, but leave the masks in place (i.e. don't loot them). when you come back, they're awake and free of the masks. It's worked on my last three playthroughs
Im fairly certain that I managed to save Meena in my Durge playthrough
I killed all the Duergar before blowing up the rock wall. The gnomes didnt say anything different than if the duergar were all still alive, but when you blow the rocks up Nere walks out and as hes attempting to kill them, you can interupt and stop them.
I snuck past the masked victims under Ethel's house and if you do, she summons all four of them in the fight making it even harder. If you refuse to kill them in the fight and take care of Ethel, they'll be free and give you the same dialogues as before like in your video.
I actually saved the first encounter you did, way waaay easier, you can get close to githyanki from the balcony up top and hit with the ranged spell, or you can open gates from within the monastery which will also let them get away
What happens when you use gas cloud on Meerna? Does Nere kick the gas cloud? How about invisibility? How about sleep or hold person on Nere?
I save the number 5 on my second run that was an hard fight to keep him alive just for a "thanks"
What about the petrified drows near the beholder (Spectator) in the Underdark?
I saved Smythin on my second playthrough because I was just running through the goblin camp killing everything. So I just walked up to them and pushed them off and saved him.
Mayrinas brothers were probably just hidden by the illusion
I saved Meerna by putting sanctuary on her before Nere got close to her.
I’ll have to try that.
Didn't work for me...
@@PedroViniciusRC what did you actually do? After you blow the blockage Meerna appears outside, if you put sanctuary on her before you talk to Nere she does not get pushed into the lava. She does not respond to you after this though because she is meant to have died.
here's one I want to know the poor lady trapped on the Nautilloid who you turn into a mindflayer, can you release her and save her?
I thought smithy wasnt savable because i remember trying and he got pushed anyways even though the goblin didnt push him
I never knew Smythin existed until this video. :o I've been in the spider pits to hang out, but I've never even noticed his corpse. Or I'm so used to looting bodies it didn't register with me he was an NPC beyond a function to just lay there XD I enjoy freeing Brakkal. I do that every time I go through the goblin camp. He's just so sassy haha! I absolutely love that some of the NPCs that seem unsaveable are saveable. They even gave them dialogue, which makes is so fulfilling to find a way
Smythin! My first playthrough i played a tree hippie ultra pacifist druid, and thus did my absolute best to ensure as few people died as possible (lots of nonlethal damage and talking my way out of situations). And I've always hated goblins. I quicksaved when I first saw them because I knew they were going to try and kill him. I did what you did, except i wildshaped into a cat and lead the gobs into a dark corner where me and my homies brutalized them. Saved Brakkal too. No innocent people died frivolously in that playthough unless it was scripted (Meerna, etc.)
I don't think you can really call Brakkal innocent. He admits to being a true follower of Maglubiyet and wants the goblins to go back to their old ways. Maglubiyet being a very bad dude and the old ways being kill people and take all their stuff.
5:04 I did this by attacking Nere before the cutscene triggers, but Meerna automatically disappears. I've done it several times, but as soon as the fight starts, she just disappears. Apparently, she can't be saved.
i was able to save meerna but it glitched out the quest with siding with the mercs and not being able to proceed with the quest.
also killed nere with meerna still alive but everyone thinks she dead
Lol, I just sprinted to Smythin and attacked the Goblins. It aggroed Rogzlin and everyone else, but after I killed everyone, Smythin was still there cowering and just thanked me as well.
I did save smythin my first play through. I was sad with how little it seemed to matter, every playthrough since then he has died and i have no idea how i saved him the first time
You can also try to "sneak past" the Masked Hag victims by using the masks in the previous room and the Protection from Good and Evil spell, but the "Enemy" Masks will be summoned to the Hag's side in the final fight if you do it this way, so your best bet is to knock um unconscious with non lethal dmg. The Whispering Mask also let you pass the poisonous gas without needing to use Disarm Trap, so still might be worth trying for some people.
6:46 how is it possible? i attack once, and the combat start, with all the redcaps also