Production time, I heard you're making beats; / But don't program the drums / Don't program the keys / Don't program the bass / Producer? Liar. / Doing that shit's like hiring a ghostwriter
@@nagidal1374This diss track is very old. I don't think that Eminem was producing during this time. If Eminem was, it wasn't to the extent that Evidence does. Evidence produces for lots of other artists. I don't think that Eminem does.
Just because somebody is not famous, doesn't mean he isn't legendary, EV is legend, you can feel getting high of his music. He gives that energy! Nobody even knows KRS-1 right now, he is a legend
who don't know krs-1 all the legends give respects to him it's only young people who don't research due to them being caught in the new hype. which 9/10 is less entertaining, artistic or talented 🤦🏿♂️.
@@imanmunam7955 and theres dude in Detroit that are genuine lunatics 'loyal' to d12 back then thatd make dialateds life v difficult - and DP were loved by LA and NY big names - and round the world already, still are- So I think em wanted to feel he got on top but also squashed a beef that went further than him.basically Ev beat Em on a technicality with this but Em that WB you dont mess wit in 2002
Difference between Eminem and Evidence is Eminem is mainstream and successful that's it, Eminem puts out records for a different type of rap fan, Evidence is still underground and still raw and appeals to a different type of Hip Hop fan. Respect them both.
I def respect both. Listen to both on steady rotation in my ride. But, to say only difference between them is that Em is mainstream, hell na. Ev is NOT on Em's level lyrically. Then again, not many are.
@@undergroundgame5425 soon as someone defends Eminem for being a better rapper .. they are a stan.. weird how thats a slang term Eminem coined.... why doesnt Evidence ever get mentioned in the GOAT conversation?
J Hoop not really. What the rihanna line? He reads dictionaries? Sweatpants? Best line from rap devil with substance was the line about the grammys the rest was eh. Good song, eh diss. Calling him old and saying hes not as good as he was aint gonna cut it. Meanwhile killshot actually actually responded to everything had insults that were a little harder hitting and cut a little deeper. Em just made it seem like he was brushing kells off and nullified everything he said and flexed on him. And this isn’t even getting into the wordplay. I mean rap devil literally used the same hook on a song on the binge ep. So yeah wack.
@@ianmoffet5080 highly disagree because yeah he had wordplay and flex but let drake do that to pusha T and people would be all like he is talking about is how much money he makes. don't get me wrong em one but on a technicality because mgk didn't respond and this diss is league's above.
that awkward moment when you like both Eminem and Evidence. I love shady records, and I also love dilated peoples. Both have their own taste in music and style of lyricism. Respect to both artists. from Japan.
You must be fore you listen, understand how classic this sound as an old school diss, this isn’t your new school, beats bumpin quality sounding night club jam.. this is old school rap at its finest. So please respect it when listening. Evidence is a rap pioneer as well.
Hahaha how do you know it's true Kim was a drug addict who repeatedly was dissed by Eminem in his music she would say anything as for kessia sounds like something a nobody would say for attention. But hey maybe it's true but it ain't the factual truth.
I remember when I first heard this joint btw its absolutely DOPE but I believe it all started with em getting mad at dilated for letting everlast dis him on eardrums pop remix on the platform btw a classic album em responded with a lil jab backpack mc and ev retaliated with this nasty uppercut trick or treat classic shit I tell ya ...yeah we all know how huge em is and his fandom reigns surpreme but I'll take ev the underdog for staying true to hip hop his whole career
First Everlasts verse on Dilated Peoples "Ear Drum Pop remix", then Eminems "I remember" then Everlasts "Whiteys Revenge" then Eminems "Quitter" feat. D12 then Evidence "Search for Bobby Fischer" ....!!!!
+Ted Bundy I can't tell if your dissin Ev for gettin at Em, but realize he obviously wouldve said that before Em's diss, you show love to people successful in your business, especially if they make music with lyrics you respect. He's probably cool with him now that they both got that shit off their respective chests.
@@DeathThaGoat This is response to the Quitter's line. Em mentioned Evidence really for no reason first. It was because Evidence was at the studio like bunch of other people when Everlast recorded his diss and nobody knew he was going to do that. There is a response to this but it's kinda tired apparently because there really wasn't any good reason for this to start.
Talking about hh huh? Em made the way i am, stan, till i collapse, sslp, mmlp, tes, relapse, mmlp2, nail in the coffin, the sauce and quitter ofc Ev ain't even tying em's boots
@@nishitbhaskar I've never really liked this track much but i'd take Ev over Em pretty easily. I can name ton's of quality albums Ev has rapped/produced on as well and the majority of it has aged significantly better imo. It's all personal taste though and I grew up on Underground Hip Hop and stopped caring much about Em by the MMLP while Ev is still dropping things I love to this Day. I'm clearly in the minority with this opinion but Ev has a wildly underrated catalogue as both a rapper and a producer.
Evidence is still killing it in the game. What is Eminem doing now? Em is putting out pop records. Stans, check out Dilated Peoples, Step Brothers and Ev's solo albums. He kills Eminem. Hands down. True Hip-Hop heads agree. Evidence never changed his lyrics to get air play for a major. Em did.
My name is. Mtv version compared to the album is totally different. Purple Hills instead of Purple Pills. Then after that he just conformed to the masses for money and spins instead of staying to his original craft. He's a dope lyricist. Just wish he didn't bend over for the mainstream. Evidence never did that and he's had lots of success. Go figure.
Well obviously there's an extent to what you can say on the radio. So there's nothin wrong with rewriting a few lyrics so you can get airplay. (I misunderstood what you meant by the comment as I thought u meant style/substance switch up like him after '96) NWA did it (e.g. Straight outta Compton) dre and snoop did it (e.g. The next episode) etc. PPL are always hating on Em for goin mainstream but what's wrong with wanting to be as successful as you can be? Plus he's got a daughter to feed and his underground shit (which is my favorite) wasn't puttin' enough (if any) money in his pocket. And he didn't even expect to blow up the way he did he just rolled with it. & Dre was the one molding Em into the ultimate rap/popstar crossover. And how you gonna say he didn't stay true to his craft when his most meaningful, most lyrically impressive, and most rawest music came after he got signed. He's the sickest lyricist alive. Hands down.
Stefen Young : There's ways in Hip Hop to be successful without jumping on the tit of the mainstream. A lot of rappers are doing the whole independent thing nowadays, which very few did 10-15 years ago. Ev was one of them. Yeah, Em had a kid when he blew up and all. But why record such a vulgar album than? Because he didn't give a fuck. Just wanted to create art and vent. He got a lil bit of a spot light from mtv and changed up his whole game afterwards. Em is dope, just wish he didn't hold back so much now and didn't choose the pop route. Go back to basics and write some rugged shit. Throw a curve ball. Why not? ....Ps. His most meaningful, lyrical, and rawest material was before he got signed with Dre. Listen to his album on Rawkus Records. The album he put out before the Slim Shady LP and EP. Come on son.
Yee I feel you dawg. After the eminem show I feel he lost a lot (if not all) of rawness and stop trying as hard. But about the mainstream tho...a lot of hiphop heads tend to associate modern mainstream with trash lyrics, simple flow, and no uniqueness. But is mainstream always bad? Biggie and pac were mainstream. Early jay was mainstream. Kendrick and cole are mainstream. I honestly feel there's nothin wrong with being mainstream as long as you don't sell out and sell your soul to the industry. So I guess the question is if Em sold out, the drugs caught up with him, or if he simply changed over time? I personally wanna believe the latter, but shieet it's probably all of the above. All in all, Em and Ev are both dope artists in their own right. Proof (or should I say "evidence"? Lol) that great hiphop can exist in both worlds. rip proof and bugz
Slim squashed the beef with Dilated after they dropped this track. He did it because he knew he had the potential to take an L with these guys. To date I think this is the only beef he has squashed. He absolutely had nothing on them cuz they were and still are an underground group who never used gimmicks or pressed up hard to make mainstream. 'Lose the haircut via George Michael' stop hating Ev ripped him a new ass and he is lucky they didn't give Rakaa more bars.
Jay Cas 'Shivers' Rakka would have destroyed Em... Shame this beef didn't develop cause it had the potential to be one of the greatest rap beefs of the 21st century. You have two heavy hitters, Dilated and D12... Instead we got fucking Nelly vs KRS.
Eminem hides from skilled lyricists. Bout he too popular to respond to give others fame. Bitch it ain't ever been about fame. Stop hiding behind them curtains of stardom and take your hits like a man.
John Cangieter lol he doesn’t hide from real lyricists he dissed the dilated people and Evidence on other songs first, Hit em up remix, Quitter, and Girls. He also beefed with Canibus and Cage both of them are real lyricists. Tell me when did he hide?
Had to replay this one after hearing that weak ass Eminem diss MGK dropped yesterday I just wanted to remind myself what a good Eminem diss song sounded like
Eminem sure knows how to rhyme but you cant take on someone like Evidence in the underground hip hop game, Ev knows his shit and you dont wanna fuck with this cat. This is the only beef I have never seen em respond to because he knows it strong. Evidence wont blow up because it keeps it real as hell. He wont change his style for nobody
"I heard you're making beats, but don't program the drums. Don't program the keys. Don't program the bass. Producer? Liar!!! Doing that shit is like hiring a ghost writer. You might as well, you little fake Chino XL. You're target practice. Strictly blast these empty shells. It's an upset. You lose the title. But, first lose your hair. You're biting George Michael". Those lyrics are spot on.
The funny though... cause that's like a rapper dissing a rapper who claims he from LA but is from Inglewood or Compton... it's kinda the same thing with Warren, MI and Detroit.... it's all the same shit... that never made sense to me...
what's interesting about it is em went back and forth with everlast for like a year and a half, then said publicly that he was "no longer interested in continuing the beef" after this song came out. sounds like an admission of defeat to me. the only thing i fault ev for in this is bleeping the word "daughter". and ftr, i like them both, too.
@@legendsflashback I think he did, Can-I-Bitch kind of destroyed him, Em still mentions Canibus in newer songs like Homicide: "The caterpillars coming to get the Canibus" so im not rly sure who won tbf
this is by far the best diss track thats been aimed at eminem and props for ev for trying.. it take serious balls to go at eminem and the track was pretty solid too.
Just here from Talib's EV interview. EV said he was proud of the diss track and said eminem's diss was weak. And also tells that proof told ev not to respond to em's next track cuz they wanted to kill the beef.
Em made rap god, platinum and diamond cd's, a movie, a marvel comic about him, 300+ awards, a guiness record, classic albums that everybody knows not just hiphop fans, and now has more money than a thousand evidences ;) He has a record Label plus he makes what music he wants. On the other hand we have evidence with a couple classic songs and respect only from hip hop listeners cause they are the only that know him. Cool.
Hypnostedon just like EV said ... "You ain't Hip Hop, ur Pop. Extra Popular to little boys and girls",... The Rap God song is trash!! Having a movie ain't necessary you don't need one. Just Look at Soulja boy & bebier has more money and fame does that make them greater than Any one???? The music awards are controlled by people who knows little to nothing about Real hiphop. So u aint saying anything valid!
Ok then how about Krs, Rakim, Redman, Tech9, De La Soul, Kool Keith, Dmx, Jay, Nas, Dre, Snoop, Fat Joe, and other top mc's put him In the top 5 of all time? Ev will never get mentioned in the top 50 ;)
Hypnostedon Hmmmm! I must admit You do have a strong point! But EV is super underground and EM got the exposure Because Dre put him on... Before that him and EV where the same status. He knew EM before the fame... EV will still beat EM bar for bar, and benzino is fucking Trash!!!
I'm just thinking. In The Eminem Show it's Em's beats but they does sound Heavily Dre influenced. So Ev who have been forever known as a legit producer and knows people (said he gathered actual info for this diss) says at the time he didn't program keys, drums, anything. I would assume there was still atleast at The Eminem Show time still going on a learning curve where Dre would be helping a lot for Em to get his vision into a beat. Show tricks and do things to show how this and that will sound better. Propably so since everyone knows the classic Em beat sound today, and it's also very hit or miss (also quite divided in taste) when The Em Show is like banger after another the whole cd with the Dre sound. I also don't want to hear points like who got credited for what since that doesn't really matter in the music indrusty. There is legit things in much smaller scale say where a quite a random guy makes lyrics for a song and then a known guy switches few orders of words really superficially re-writing couple parts and then his name is as The writer. You can dig up the guy who made 95% of the lyrics name but it usually won't be mentioned nearly everywhere and their name if put last (and still how will people know this guy really wrote the song). That's the business, I've seen that excat thing myself. So it can easily be inside Aftermath to be negotiated by as simple as Dre just being yeah I don't need no credits and that's that. Because it's really just better for the whole business if Eminem has the whole credit for producing because it will grow the legend. The record sounds so Dre that most people still think by default that he produced it.
"Evidence,say ma name outta self defence"🙌🏿 Been a DILATED fan since '99 and I never knew dude was this ruthless when provoked...whether you like EMINEM or not you gotta admit EVIDENCE KILLED HIM here.
@@agfromdai.e3806 THANK U SIR EMS FANS Won’t admit the cold hard unadulterated truth! The whole narrative Em ends careers which is not true in the slightest!
Nice one - but can anybody explain to me why its called "search for bobby fischer"? I know who Bobby Fischer is, but why is it a diss that Eminem should search for him?
Evidence fuckin had dirt to bury him with, Eminem couldn't step up to this, because he ain't got shit on Evidence. All eminems disses are too people he's known from the past, he called out Evidence cause he was getting reckless and bitchy over Everlast. Evidence murdered him cause in all truth Eminem shouldn't hate on Ev if knows a respectable MC when he sees it.
the best diss against eminem, though the only other person who had a good one was Canibus so not much to compare it with. Funnily enough they're the two he either ignored or dropped the silliest track against.
Hip-Hop History 101: 1) Everlast dissed Eminem on the B-side remix of "Ear Drum Pop" on Dialated People's "Platform" album. 2) Eminem shot back with "I remember" 3) Everlast ripped Em apart on "Whitey's Revenge". At the end he said he was done with this shit. 4) This caused Eminem to put out a D-12 b-side called "Quitter". Toward the end of the track, Em starts ranting off and starts dissing Dialated for some reason. (cause Evidence is white to, or cause it all started on their track, who knows)
Huge ass fan of Eminem. Own all of his albums and love his underground shit. But this is by far the best Eminem diss. He gets called out on so much shit, and it's hella accurate. To be honest, I'm not sure Em could top this. Would have loved to see this beef develop further, I believe the disses on both sides would be dope as fuck
The only thing EM could reply is "Fuck all these underground rappers nobody buys your records" I forgot the song, But I think if EM mentions EV name it will give him more exposure. EM is smart, but his reply makes him sound like a sell out to Real HIP HOP heads
It was in D12's song "quitter" that he dissed on everlast and then brought evidence and dilated into it also. Calling them a small underground backpacker group was his best diss lol. So this was Ev's response back and since then it was over between them
Indeed. In his verse on Purple Pills he says "I'll run upon you like Christopher Reeves" and in Rain Man he says "I won't stand for this and Christopher Reeves won't sit for this neither"
For a more clearer metaphor, this is basically EV's story of addidon.
Production time, I heard you're making beats; /
But don't program the drums /
Don't program the keys /
Don't program the bass /
Producer? Liar. /
Doing that shit's like hiring a ghostwriter
Idk if that’s true but regardless it was a nice line
@@nagidal1374This diss track is very old. I don't think that Eminem was producing during this time.
If Eminem was, it wasn't to the extent that Evidence does. Evidence produces for lots of other artists. I don't think that Eminem does.
Who else came here after seeing hiphopdx cover Evidence's interview where he speaks about this beef and says it was a huge mistake?
Here I Am
YA dude
Yuuup
Me no lie lol
✋I didn’t realize this beast existed.
Just because somebody is not famous, doesn't mean he isn't legendary, EV is legend, you can feel getting high of his music. He gives that energy! Nobody even knows KRS-1 right now, he is a legend
who don't know krs-1 all the legends give respects to him it's only young people who don't research due to them being caught in the new hype. which 9/10 is less entertaining, artistic or talented 🤦🏿♂️.
Bro literally everyone knows who KRS 1 is. Lol. It's just you.
9 years later, this comment still ain’t true, but Ev is good.
There’s a reason D12 called Ev for peace. This got to Em.
The way Ev said it, it sounded like they were doing him a favour because after the call, they still put out a diss and asked him not to respond.
@@imanmunam7955 and theres dude in Detroit that are genuine lunatics 'loyal' to d12 back then thatd make dialateds life v difficult - and DP were loved by LA and NY big names - and round the world already, still are- So I think em wanted to feel he got on top but also squashed a beef that went further than him.basically Ev beat Em on a technicality with this but Em that WB you dont mess wit in 2002
@@PatrickByrne-e5vEm fell off hard & clearly sold his soul tho. Dude straight up said that Donald Trump has made him cry before. 😂😂😂
lol cmon
Difference between Eminem and Evidence is Eminem is mainstream and successful that's it, Eminem puts out records for a different type of rap fan, Evidence is still underground and still raw and appeals to a different type of Hip Hop fan.
Respect them both.
I def respect both. Listen to both on steady rotation in my ride. But, to say only difference between them is that Em is mainstream, hell na. Ev is NOT on Em's level lyrically. Then again, not many are.
Dan E Respek them not Respect
gg
Lol.. difference is ev just killed em..
@@krastalongnoblept365 irish?
" You ain't Hip-Hop, you Pop, extra popular, to little girls, kids, and the Trench Coat Mafia "
It was a really nice line but Em used to be hip hop thats my only disagreement in that statement. He quickly became pop.
Evidence isnt popular at all.. hes annoying and corny lol js
SOUND GODS oooo shit we got a Stan over here
@@undergroundgame5425 soon as someone defends Eminem for being a better rapper .. they are a stan.. weird how thats a slang term Eminem coined.... why doesnt Evidence ever get mentioned in the GOAT conversation?
@@soundgods9875 have you noticed that only mainstream artists get talked about when discussing a GOAT? Eminem has been wack for a decade.
If you're an Eminem fan or not, admit it, it was nice!!
nice as fuck. i fuck with DP a little bit and I can't believe I never knew about this track
c2o0n1o7r I'm an Eminem fan but this was dope. Respect to both emcees; they both squashed their beef too
It wasn't nice it was cruel as fuck.
Shit is trash
Greg Allen obviously not otherwise em would have replied
This is better than MGK diss
Dennis Roy- Thats EV!
duh!
J Hoop lol no.. mgk is ass and rap devil just becomes so much worse after killshot
J Hoop not really. What the rihanna line? He reads dictionaries? Sweatpants? Best line from rap devil with substance was the line about the grammys the rest was eh. Good song, eh diss. Calling him old and saying hes not as good as he was aint gonna cut it. Meanwhile killshot actually actually responded to everything had insults that were a little harder hitting and cut a little deeper. Em just made it seem like he was brushing kells off and nullified everything he said and flexed on him. And this isn’t even getting into the wordplay. I mean rap devil literally used the same hook on a song on the binge ep. So yeah wack.
@@ianmoffet5080 highly disagree because yeah he had wordplay and flex but let drake do that to pusha T and people would be all like he is talking about is how much money he makes. don't get me wrong em one but on a technicality because mgk didn't respond and this diss is league's above.
The most underrated diss track ever
heard of round 2 ko
Nah, I'd say Joe Budden - Game Over dissin Game Or LL Cool J - The Ripper Strikes Back dissin Canibus.
Nah its
Jadakiss - Checkmate (50 diss)
@@AkramDeX Checkmate is good
officer down
that awkward moment when you like both Eminem and Evidence. I love shady records, and I also love dilated peoples. Both have their own taste in music and style of lyricism. Respect to both artists. from Japan.
People make mistakes, Em shouldn't have, "let off buckshot". This is what happens.
Evidence was the closest who came to putting a hole into Eminem's career. Best of the disses that tried to take on Em so far!
This joint is so fire & accurate.
Devin Winter Em is from Warren. Facts
Devin Winter Every pre-teen and non hip hop fan think em is the greatest. Facts
True-High'-Definition-Mode
@@Myke3362 woooooord
it's hard to earn this stuff
I been down with dilated since before i can remember, real hip hop, amazing live, ive met sll of them, solid human beings, go on Ev ✌🏻
You must be fore you listen, understand how classic this sound as an old school diss, this isn’t your new school, beats bumpin quality sounding night club jam.. this is old school rap at its finest. So please respect it when listening. Evidence is a rap pioneer as well.
Ev just mentioned Em's daughter in this diss track and his underground career lived to tell the tale. That alone is noteworthy.
You're a clown fam
@@AkramDeX You're a butthurt EMINEM Stan fam
Saying he's child's name didn't get Ja Rule silenced , the feds did .
He could have said something worse but he didn't.
This the best em diss out there he never responded either😅
@akera "Girls" was aimed at Limp Bizkit. Eminem had already squashed the beef with Everlast and Evidence by then.
@akera Not a response. He was just clarifying what he did on "Quitter".
Take notes kids, that's how a real emcee sounds. One long verse, no poppy hooks or choruses. No bullshit. And the turntables to finish em off
This is the best Eminem diss
This is dope but I think Cage - 4 Letter Word, K Rino - Fuck Eminem and Canibus - U Didn't Care are better...
Actually it's not, listen to Pacewon - Rap Music
Yeroen See this is rap music this is culture this is organized it has structure it has insights this is RAP MUSIC not to be mixed or deluded!
That's it.
Its in the top 10.
The way Eminem acts so awkward socially & never smiles or laughs makes me wonder if the line about the groupie is true.....
Hahaha how do you know it's true Kim was a drug addict who repeatedly was dissed by Eminem in his music she would say anything as for kessia sounds like something a nobody would say for attention. But hey maybe it's true but it ain't the factual truth.
@Kathryn Dorsey yeah eminem himself has said that
@Kathryn Dorsey I hope he isn't gay lol just saying
@Kathryn Dorsey nice pfp
Ev murdered Eminem here
I was an Em fan first, but EV killed it with this track.
I remember when I first heard this joint btw its absolutely DOPE but I believe it all started with em getting mad at dilated for letting everlast dis him on eardrums pop remix on the platform btw a classic album em responded with a lil jab backpack mc and ev retaliated with this nasty uppercut trick or treat classic shit I tell ya ...yeah we all know how huge em is and his fandom reigns surpreme but I'll take ev the underdog for staying true to hip hop his whole career
The only guy who ever Merked Eminem
Cage also destroyed Eminem
First Everlasts verse on Dilated Peoples "Ear Drum Pop remix", then Eminems "I remember" then Everlasts "Whiteys Revenge" then Eminems "Quitter" feat. D12 then Evidence "Search for Bobby Fischer" ....!!!!
and its over ladies and gentelmans, its overrr, go homeee:d
''I know the whole camp, from Paul Rosenberg on. I haven’t ever really got to chill with Eminem but if it did happen, I’d show respect.'' -Evidence
+Ted Bundy I can't tell if your dissin Ev for gettin at Em, but realize he obviously wouldve said that before Em's diss, you show love to people successful in your business, especially if they make music with lyrics you respect. He's probably cool with him now that they both got that shit off their respective chests.
Alchemist is Em personal DJ and EV best friend
U just posted half the interview.. where's the first part?? U r not telling the whole story.
Im a massive fan of Em, but Evidence murked his ass on this track. One of my favorite diss tracks.
Eh
Em responded on quitter check 3:44
@@DeathThaGoat It was barely a response he just dismissed him.
@@AlTarif it was a response
@@DeathThaGoat This is response to the Quitter's line. Em mentioned Evidence really for no reason first. It was because Evidence was at the studio like bunch of other people when Everlast recorded his diss and nobody knew he was going to do that. There is a response to this but it's kinda tired apparently because there really wasn't any good reason for this to start.
as a hardcore em fan i gotta say im impressed. evidence did his thing here
Evidence smoked Eminem fuck record sales this hip Hop.
Talking about hh huh?
Em made the way i am, stan, till i collapse, sslp, mmlp, tes, relapse, mmlp2, nail in the coffin, the sauce and quitter ofc
Ev ain't even tying em's boots
@@nishitbhaskar I've never really liked this track much but i'd take Ev over Em pretty easily. I can name ton's of quality albums Ev has rapped/produced on as well and the majority of it has aged significantly better imo. It's all personal taste though and I grew up on Underground Hip Hop and stopped caring much about Em by the MMLP while Ev is still dropping things I love to this Day. I'm clearly in the minority with this opinion but Ev has a wildly underrated catalogue as both a rapper and a producer.
@@hype88 name them
Evidence is still killing it in the game. What is Eminem doing now? Em is putting out pop records. Stans, check out Dilated Peoples, Step Brothers and Ev's solo albums. He kills Eminem. Hands down. True Hip-Hop heads agree. Evidence never changed his lyrics to get air play for a major. Em did.
When did Em ever switch up his style or lyrics for air play?
My name is. Mtv version compared to the album is totally different. Purple Hills instead of Purple Pills. Then after that he just conformed to the masses for money and spins instead of staying to his original craft. He's a dope lyricist. Just wish he didn't bend over for the mainstream. Evidence never did that and he's had lots of success. Go figure.
Well obviously there's an extent to what you can say on the radio. So there's nothin wrong with rewriting a few lyrics so you can get airplay. (I misunderstood what you meant by the comment as I thought u meant style/substance switch up like him after '96) NWA did it (e.g. Straight outta Compton) dre and snoop did it (e.g. The next episode) etc. PPL are always hating on Em for goin mainstream but what's wrong with wanting to be as successful as you can be? Plus he's got a daughter to feed and his underground shit (which is my favorite) wasn't puttin' enough (if any) money in his pocket. And he didn't even expect to blow up the way he did he just rolled with it. & Dre was the one molding Em into the ultimate rap/popstar crossover. And how you gonna say he didn't stay true to his craft when his most meaningful, most lyrically impressive, and most rawest music came after he got signed. He's the sickest lyricist alive. Hands down.
Stefen Young : There's ways in Hip Hop to be successful without jumping on the tit of the mainstream. A lot of rappers are doing the whole independent thing nowadays, which very few did 10-15 years ago. Ev was one of them. Yeah, Em had a kid when he blew up and all. But why record such a vulgar album than? Because he didn't give a fuck. Just wanted to create art and vent. He got a lil bit of a spot light from mtv and changed up his whole game afterwards. Em is dope, just wish he didn't hold back so much now and didn't choose the pop route. Go back to basics and write some rugged shit. Throw a curve ball. Why not? ....Ps. His most meaningful, lyrical, and rawest material was before he got signed with Dre. Listen to his album on Rawkus Records. The album he put out before the Slim Shady LP and EP. Come on son.
Yee I feel you dawg. After the eminem show I feel he lost a lot (if not all) of rawness and stop trying as hard.
But about the mainstream tho...a lot of hiphop heads tend to associate modern mainstream with trash lyrics, simple flow, and no uniqueness. But is mainstream always bad? Biggie and pac were mainstream. Early jay was mainstream. Kendrick and cole are mainstream. I honestly feel there's nothin wrong with being mainstream as long as you don't sell out and sell your soul to the industry. So I guess the question is if Em sold out, the drugs caught up with him, or if he simply changed over time? I personally wanna believe the latter, but shieet it's probably all of the above. All in all, Em and Ev are both dope artists in their own right. Proof (or should I say "evidence"? Lol) that great hiphop can exist in both worlds. rip proof and bugz
Slim squashed the beef with Dilated after they dropped this track. He did it because he knew he had the potential to take an L with these guys. To date I think this is the only beef he has squashed. He absolutely had nothing on them cuz they were and still are an underground group who never used gimmicks or pressed up hard to make mainstream. 'Lose the haircut via George Michael' stop hating Ev ripped him a new ass and he is lucky they didn't give Rakaa more bars.
Man, if Rakka gave him a verse.... that would've been the end of mainstream Hip-Hop period!
blond Caesar you bitin George Michael.
John Shaft still no response to Evidence or K-Rino.
Lose the hair Cut you biting George michael
Yell
John Shaft Eminem made 2 disses prior to this one quitter and girls but that was 3 years before this came out.
These were some badass lyrics, but can we also talk about how vicious Babu's scratching is at the end?
He killed it
My dude Ev killed Em with that "you might as well/ you little fake Chino XL".... #BodyBaggedEmWithOneLine
did anyone that Bobby Fischer was a world chess champion
Yes played against a Russian kat and won. Because he psyched him out with the type of moves.
Robert fisher is also a murderer still on the loose in America, he murdered his family and fled and was never found, not sure who he was referring to.
@@OGT4204 fisher doesn't equal fischer
@@coolstorybruh88 wrong,delusional comment
Em's whole diss was a bad Tupac impression LMAO. This is superior by far, sorry Em Stans.
OK Demetrious 🤣
That diss was more directed at everlast
No it was a good pac impression. It was better than this
And Pac had some bass in his voice.
WOW! Evidence bodied Eminem! Every syllable is true. :O
Ahhhh shit!! Ev murdered him, when was this released ?
around 01
+Michael Papamarkou AROUND 00
tou klase mia mpala
This was just a bait track. Imagine what Evidence would've done on part 2. Better yet, Imagine what Rakka would've done.
Jay Cas 'Shivers' Rakka would have destroyed Em... Shame this beef didn't develop cause it had the potential to be one of the greatest rap beefs of the 21st century. You have two heavy hitters, Dilated and D12... Instead we got fucking Nelly vs KRS.
chdreturns word and people went with Nelly instead. Smh.
Eminem hides from skilled lyricists. Bout he too popular to respond to give others fame. Bitch it ain't ever been about fame. Stop hiding behind them curtains of stardom and take your hits like a man.
John Cangieter lol he doesn’t hide from real lyricists he dissed the dilated people and Evidence on other songs first, Hit em up remix, Quitter, and Girls. He also beefed with Canibus and Cage both of them are real lyricists. Tell me when did he hide?
@@p.c.mlucas9897 when did he mention them?
This and Cage's "Illest 4 Letter Word" are the best Eminem disses. Everlast's "Whitey's Revenge" is up there too.
I'd put 'Fuck Eminem' by K Rino there instead of Everlast.
Had to replay this one after hearing that weak ass Eminem diss MGK dropped yesterday I just wanted to remind myself what a good Eminem diss song sounded like
Luc Dunton me too bodied eminem till he squashed the beef lol
I’m down with EVidence
Eminem sure knows how to rhyme but you cant take on someone like Evidence in the underground hip hop game, Ev knows his shit and you dont wanna fuck with this cat. This is the only beef I have never seen em respond to because he knows it strong. Evidence wont blow up because it keeps it real as hell. He wont change his style for nobody
But he did
"I heard you're making beats, but don't program the drums. Don't program the keys. Don't program the bass. Producer? Liar!!! Doing that shit is like hiring a ghost writer. You might as well, you little fake Chino XL. You're target practice. Strictly blast these empty shells. It's an upset. You lose the title. But, first lose your hair. You're biting George Michael". Those lyrics are spot on.
These lyrics are hard hitting but Em did produce though. The fake Chino XL is funny as fuck, because he came up sounding almost identical to Chino
@@llcooljjname one song they sound even remotely similar on
@@llcooljjChino's "here to save you all" came out around the same time as "infinite" and they sound nothing like each other
Totally forgot about this joint... Re connected after watching people's party.... EV slams Marshall on this one.. Another slept on track
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The line I never forgot was "you're from Warren"..lol..this and everlasts diss was gold
The funny though... cause that's like a rapper dissing a rapper who claims he from LA but is from Inglewood or Compton... it's kinda the same thing with Warren, MI and Detroit.... it's all the same shit... that never made sense to me...
@@whatsguud2630 true
Corny line lol Tupac is from NY
the fake chino xl line was on point. 😂😂😂😂😂
"You ain't hip hop, you pop, extra popular to little girls, kids, and the trench coat mafia". Oooooohh Ev>Em
god damn
coincidence!
"But first lose the haircut, you're biting George Michael" haha
lol em is way better than ev
Brendan M to bad no one even knows bout this guy today, I didn't even know till after reading on the em and Everlast beef
“ Go Sell Million Of Records You Still Don’t Own Ya Publishing”
what's interesting about it is em went back and forth with everlast for like a year and a half, then said publicly that he was "no longer interested in continuing the beef" after this song came out. sounds like an admission of defeat to me. the only thing i fault ev for in this is bleeping the word "daughter".
and ftr, i like them both, too.
This song is proof that Eminem isn't invincible when it comes to diss tracks. Evidence definitely got Em with this one.
There's also Canibus, Cage and K-Rino, who are also lyricists, who Eminem would've been scared of battling, same with Evidence and MC Juice.
Eminem already battled canibus
@@dinohermann1887 exactly
@@johnslone2477 and didn't win
@@legendsflashback I think he did, Can-I-Bitch kind of destroyed him, Em still mentions Canibus in newer songs like Homicide: "The caterpillars coming to get the Canibus" so im not rly sure who won tbf
Great diss track. Even though em would never admit it but im pretty sure deep inside he knew Ev tored his ass up on this track. Btw im a fan of both
this is by far the best diss track thats been aimed at eminem and props for ev for trying.. it take serious balls to go at eminem and the track was pretty solid too.
Just here from Talib's EV interview. EV said he was proud of the diss track and said eminem's diss was weak. And also tells that proof told ev not to respond to em's next track cuz they wanted to kill the beef.
Probably the best anyone has ever dissed Em. And this beef wasn't even that serious. Glad they're both cool with each other now.
This is the best eminem diss. More people should know about this.
Nah Everlast shit was vicious.
i’d say k rino, but this one was amazing
Canibus had way better diss
@@leftlon3 K-Rino did one of the worst diss track. Em gave respond on W.T.P, Friday Night Cypher, Groundhog Day and Gospel
@@ishaking6278 bull
Evidence from a lyrical standpoint murdered this beef
I'm an Em fan till I die and an Ev fan till I die
EM sold out! EV stayed Hip hop!
Em made rap god, platinum and diamond cd's, a movie, a marvel comic about him, 300+ awards, a guiness record, classic albums that everybody knows not just hiphop fans, and now has more money than a thousand evidences ;) He has a record Label plus he makes what music he wants. On the other hand we have evidence with a couple classic songs and respect only from hip hop listeners cause they are the only that know him. Cool.
Hypnostedon just like EV said ... "You ain't Hip Hop, ur Pop. Extra Popular to little boys and girls",... The Rap God song is trash!! Having a movie ain't necessary you don't need one. Just Look at Soulja boy & bebier has more money and fame does that make them greater than Any one????
The music awards are controlled by people who knows little to nothing about Real hiphop. So u aint saying anything valid!
Ok then how about Krs, Rakim, Redman, Tech9, De La Soul, Kool Keith, Dmx, Jay, Nas, Dre, Snoop, Fat Joe, and other top mc's put him In the top 5 of all time? Ev will never get mentioned in the top 50 ;)
Hypnostedon Hmmmm! I must admit You do have a strong point! But EV is super underground and EM got the exposure Because Dre put him on... Before that him and EV where the same status. He knew EM before the fame...
EV will still beat EM bar for bar, and benzino is fucking Trash!!!
Better than the game’s diss
DZK,K-Rino,Evidence and Esham have all dissed Eminem real hard
So did mgk and ja rule
And Daylyt
@@Trudon nooo
I'm just thinking. In The Eminem Show it's Em's beats but they does sound Heavily Dre influenced. So Ev who have been forever known as a legit producer and knows people (said he gathered actual info for this diss) says at the time he didn't program keys, drums, anything. I would assume there was still atleast at The Eminem Show time still going on a learning curve where Dre would be helping a lot for Em to get his vision into a beat. Show tricks and do things to show how this and that will sound better.
Propably so since everyone knows the classic Em beat sound today, and it's also very hit or miss (also quite divided in taste) when The Em Show is like banger after another the whole cd with the Dre sound. I also don't want to hear points like who got credited for what since that doesn't really matter in the music indrusty. There is legit things in much smaller scale say where a quite a random guy makes lyrics for a song and then a known guy switches few orders of words really superficially re-writing couple parts and then his name is as The writer. You can dig up the guy who made 95% of the lyrics name but it usually won't be mentioned nearly everywhere and their name if put last (and still how will people know this guy really wrote the song). That's the business, I've seen that excat thing myself. So it can easily be inside Aftermath to be negotiated by as simple as Dre just being yeah I don't need no credits and that's that. Because it's really just better for the whole business if Eminem has the whole credit for producing because it will grow the legend. The record sounds so Dre that most people still think by default that he produced it.
Here from crypts video.
"Evidence,say ma name outta self defence"🙌🏿
Been a DILATED fan since '99 and I never knew dude was this ruthless when provoked...whether you like EMINEM or not you gotta admit EVIDENCE KILLED HIM here.
He smoked Em
Sure! But it's your opinion. Better then mgk 4 sure.
@@peterhernandez7817 Evidence fucked him up
@@agfromdai.e3806 THANK U SIR EMS FANS Won’t admit the cold hard unadulterated truth! The whole narrative Em ends careers which is not true in the slightest!
That was really good..Ev is a legend
EV destroyed him so hard that EM squashed the beef :)
@@someguy3042 😂😂😂😂😂 target practice is real, face it.
You are crazy if you think this was anything harmful to em lmao.
Proof called Evidence to squash the beef...Case Closed!
Em lost this one
Yeah, you don't want to be in Dilated People's Shit List.... they are just too talented lyrically and production wise...
this production sucks ass.
@@FightKyokushin no you
I'd take dilated over d12 any day!
and now alchemist does eminems beats
lol u trippin i guess u forgot about 'chemical welfare' they are already working together
This is going to blow up in a few days.
Lord Quasimoto this is old haha
I think he wrote it because of a recent interview with Evidence mentioning this beef.
ARIF I saw that interview earlier today haha it’ll probably get a boost
ARIF underrated diss for sure 🔥
Nice one - but can anybody explain to me why its called "search for bobby fischer"? I know who Bobby Fischer is, but why is it a diss that Eminem should search for him?
Funny how Eminem didn't reply back.
Evidence fuckin had dirt to bury him with, Eminem couldn't step up to this, because he ain't got shit on Evidence. All eminems disses are too people he's known from the past, he called out Evidence cause he was getting reckless and bitchy over Everlast. Evidence murdered him cause in all truth Eminem shouldn't hate on Ev if knows a respectable MC when he sees it.
"Dilated, you violated, now you about to get annihilated".
glad Evidence smashed Em on here after Em needlessly attacked him on that whack Hit Em Up rip off
Tbh evidence and Eminem are both pretty good, respect to both
You have to admit the diss was fire 🔥
Evidence bodied him and he survived because of his name. He hoped it would go away and it did, but this diss track was on par with Everlast's.
Eminem really couldn’t hang with either of them...both of their disses talked truth and put him in his place
@@markchurch4070 - Indeed. Arguably made him go even deeper into addiction. Those inescapable truths hurt.
@@CoolHandLukeDuke I never thought about that...you’re probably right
E V did it. The hardest diss track em ever took.
Fuck the music, to each his own, but Ev is for real. Fans love him for what he does, not for who he plays
He said he saved the better disses for part 2. He never released it though
Man I love Eminem (around the time this came out), but this is such a nice track.
the best diss against eminem, though the only other person who had a good one was Canibus so not much to compare it with. Funnily enough they're the two he either ignored or dropped the silliest track against.
Damn K-Rino wasn't up there?
Pacewon would've torn em up if Em wasn't a pussy and had responded
Em is trash 🗑️
DILATED PEOPLES LEGEND!
Wtf how am I just now learning of this never knew they was beefin
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Never knew this existed until the hiphopdx interview lol. Good shit tho
This is dope ...
As a eminem fan this was dope
when this record came out i can tell it's old becuz evidence voice was deeper in the late 90's & early 2000's
I'm here from crypt
haha both doope, Ev's new album tho....honestly a instant classic
Hip-Hop History 101:
1) Everlast dissed Eminem on the B-side remix of "Ear Drum Pop" on Dialated People's "Platform" album.
2) Eminem shot back with "I remember"
3) Everlast ripped Em apart on "Whitey's Revenge". At the end he said he was done with this shit.
4) This caused Eminem to put out a D-12 b-side called "Quitter". Toward the end of the track, Em starts ranting off and starts dissing Dialated for some reason. (cause Evidence is white to, or cause it all started on their track, who knows)
Proof once said that he likes Dilated and that he encouraged Eminem to diss them so that they get more fame.
Sounds like some pretty good spin from Proof after the sting of this track hit 😂
Best diss song towards Eminem, full stop...
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Haha yea alc is EVs partner and is eminems dj
The best Em diss track never heard
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Huge ass fan of Eminem. Own all of his albums and love his underground shit. But this is by far the best Eminem diss. He gets called out on so much shit, and it's hella accurate. To be honest, I'm not sure Em could top this. Would have loved to see this beef develop further, I believe the disses on both sides would be dope as fuck
Evidence hit him with so many punchlines, shit was even better than a diss from Canibus
The only thing EM could reply is "Fuck all these underground rappers nobody buys your records" I forgot the song, But I think if EM mentions EV name it will give him more exposure. EM is smart, but his reply makes him sound like a sell out to Real HIP HOP heads
it were that girls diss at everlast where he went for dilated peoples calling em all backpackers he said they sent for him in a mag or something
It was in D12's song "quitter" that he dissed on everlast and then brought evidence and dilated into it also. Calling them a small underground backpacker group was his best diss lol. So this was Ev's response back and since then it was over between them
Brendan M You're on point, what has evidence got to do with it. Em is a bully
Indeed. In his verse on Purple Pills he says "I'll run upon you like Christopher Reeves"
and in Rain Man he says "I won't stand for this and Christopher Reeves won't sit for this neither"
Ev got em on this
The everlast lines on the ear drums pop remix that led to this 🔥
A fake Chino XL indeed.
Some of the nastiest post-90s production I've heard