If and when there's a next round it should be done after the current next round has time to settle in and be evaluated, i.e. lessons learned. Too much change too fast might create too much turmoil. Another personal opinion is that I suspect that media partners want to see how this next round plays out in order to establish value. And I suspect that the schools will want time to evaluate their new revenue streams. Not against expansion per se. Just think it's one step at at time.
I like the idea of Memphis becoming power 5 and becoming the best school in Tennessee. They're already better in recent years. Plus UCF could threaten the Florida schools fsu and Miami have been down for time now especially Miami. Cincinnati will probably never take over Ohio though but it should close the gap a little. And maybe byu can finally be competitive against Utah
@Ed Carman I hear you; however, UTSA is the 3rd largest university in the state of Texas, and is located in a top 10 city in the US in terms of population. It is a sleeping giant which will emerge of the National level soon.
This is a proper move for the big12. They are doing the right thing. I am a wvu fan and I hope the mountaineers stay in the big 12. This conference will become better than the acc or or pac 12.
1) the big 12 will go the way of the big east. It didn't matter how good wvu or Louisville were. its about money not records and no school in the big 12 is a financial draw 2) you're nuts if you'd rather play all these texas school. Our traditional rivals are in the ACC. BC syracuse pitt vt.
@@wizman243 the big twelve current tv contract may be worth more than the other conferences but it expires in 3 years and without UT they won't be able to command the same price. Also it is only more valuable to the schools because there are less schools in the big 12 than acc or pac12. In the future the big 12 will have to split less money between more members.
@@wizman243 The new Big12. We’ll have to wait and see. The current big12 I would say and only because of Oklahoma and Texas. Everyone else does not produce enough revenue and has not been in the playoffs. How it stacks up to the ACC, doesn’t compare.
Welcome to Power 5 conference Houston. Houston has more to gain than Big 12. Now, many Houston kids can play in Power 5 conference while staying close to home.
Being in a Power 5 adds more "legitimacy" to Houston's program and they can build a powerful program with a footprint right in Aggie and Longhorn recruiting territory. This can help the other conference schools recruit in the Houston metro area because they can sell recruits on having games in their hometown, which does matter. Also, if Houston raises the bar, the others will have to also do so in turn to compete - a win win across the board in my eyes
@Ed Carman Wrong. it is all presidents that gave "power 5" to Big 12 not individual conferences. Regardless TX-OU exit or new 4 team expansion, Big 12's Power 5 status would have remained until it collapses which almost happened if PAC12 had taken 2-4 teams from Big 12. SEC or any conferences don't have power to "not recognize". New Big 12 continue to be "Power 5". Unless all those presidents in current power 5 conference vote to strip "Power 5" status from Big 12. That won't happen. This is why BYU, UC, UCF and Houston are joining Big 12. Not because irate 8 schools.
What if Houston kids just one to get out of Houston; lots of people come and go. Some kids simply like a different scene. Houston or no other city owns recruits. As a TCU supporter, having UH adds upon the Horned Frogs' exposure in Houston and probably works in reverse for UH in the DFW. The bottom line is that you need to have a more compelling reason for a recruit to decide to attend your school than Homeboyism! Why are you characterizing the remaining 8 schools as "irate" when they just voted unanimously to invite your UH? UH fandom needs to calm down and be more humble because the bulk of the remaining Big12 schools will give UH all that it can handle.
I am not a big Houston fan but I don’t know how you couldn’t include them. It is a huge media and recruiting market you can’t ignore. The school money puts money into its programs and I believe it would have a net positive to the Big 12.
Houston is a huge media market. Except most fans in Houston are not UH fans. Many root for A&M or Texas, while other fans root for LSU. Houstonians will just not watch the Big XII Conference, because UH enters the conference. Several years ago, I attended a UT-UH game. There were more UT fans in the stands than UH fans.
Houston will eventually become a Big 12 title contender for two reasons: 1) fertile recruiting ground and 2) the amount of money Tillman Fertitta has and is willing to spend.
One Billionaire means little when universities have large endowments. TCU $1.68 billion, Baylor $1.39 billon, Kansas $1.81 billion, TX Tech $1.28 Houston is only like 1.01 billion. Original SEC schools Vandy is $6.92 billion & Georgia is $2.17 billion Here is the kicker is UT has $30.96 billion & TX A&M $13.59 = $45 billion you can see why SEC wanted all that money was a huge $$$ jump. Houston’s one Billionaire plays a very small role in my opinion. UT, A&M, & Ok is ginormous $$$ I mean Texas UT is just so rich we need the state to cut state funding to these schools. Texas citizens have subsidized UT into a metastasized bully. ESPN is to blame too. I mean they are intentionally sabotaging the Big XII to get out of their $1 billion dollar TV deal screwing the remaining 6 Big 12 schools to compensate for over bidding (outbidding NBC) for the SEC network. I mean the upgraded TV deal for Ok & UT are very small for ESPN to reneging on the other $800 million due to the other 6 schools.
This move makes too much sense to be stopped by Baylor, Gundy, or anybody else. In recruiting, there are tons of good 3- and 4-stars in Houston who will want to go to XII schools.
Gundy is all for adding Houston. He has made that very clear publicly, in a press conference. Check out the last six minutes of Gundy's press conference this week.
@@SJVA He's saying that now because it's a done deal. In the past, though, it was a different story. In the last round of what turned out to be non-expansion, Gundy outright said he did not want Houston anywhere near the conference. Don't get me wrong, I like Gundy. He's great for his program and for the conference as a whole. He's just looking out for his own.
@@SJVA Gundy knows they are screwed with Texas and OU leaving the Big 12. Recruits will bypass the likes of Oklahoma State to play for the worst teams in the SEC instead. Bringing Houston on board was a move that needed to happen but it's not gonna right the ship by itself.
@@jesses5463 So you believe that a mid-level 4* player who is used to winning 10 games a year in high school and going to the playoffs every year, maybe even win a 5A or 6A State Championship, would rather go play for Vanderbilt and get their teeth kicked and only win three games a year and get overlooked by NFL scouts rather than play for Oklahoma State in the BIG 12, play in conference championship games, have four reasonable chances of winning a Big 12 Conference Championship, then go to the 12 team CFB playoffs and make it to the final four teams, get seen on national television, try out for the NFL, and probably get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round... you believe that kid would rather LOSE, because he is losing in the SEC, instead of winning in the Big 12?!? That's what you believe?!? Because that's what you just said. My question to you is "How long have you been smoking meth"???
I think Memphis makes sense. Perfect fit geographically. Not so sold on Boise adds zip in recruiting or TV. Another FLA school like USF makes sense from a recruiting perspective.
Easy to get plane tickets for those games! I think Houston will want to take it to the Texas schools who wanted to keep them out of the conference every chance they get. 🍑🦵🏻
Yeah, UH has good rivalries with Memphis and Cinci. I can't wait to further develop that UCF rivalry in B12 play. I'm glad UCF and Cinci seem to be getting the invites but would definitely like it if we kept the band together and they also invited Memphis ASAP.
UH/Baylor/TCU/TECH helps create a strong Big12 Texas brand. I would consider SMU if they go to 16. If the overall brand is strong will help dent the SEC raids into the states... won't stop it, but for Texas recruits, being able to play schools close to friends/family is a selling point to some. UH program has declined under Dana, unfortunately. I would bring Herman back despite the hard feelings.
As much as I would like SMU (Old UH rival) I think it would make more sense for Tulane to get that invite. B12 could use a Louisiana and Georgia school in further expansion.
@@tedcarr701 yeah the Herman story is a weird one. It almost makes sense that the whole reason B12 didn’t expand in 2016 and UH lost some weak games is because UT was already in the process of hiring Herman. We all know UT has never wanted UH but the whole Herman thing fits. He didn’t even finish the season.
Texas is a big state. Tech, TCU and Baylor are all on the northern side. It would be like saying that Cal, Stanford and San Jose St. cover the Southern California market better than San Diego St. would.
Exactly. Expansion to 14 Teams in the short term. If OU & tu don't want to play in the Big XII with four new teams added they can write the checks and move on to the $EC. Once they make the jump bring on 2 more and rock it with 16 Teams. EMAW!!!
@@tmcc9867 Are you one of those delusional WVU fans thinking the ACC is going to bring them into the fold? Or are you a delusional KU fan who thinks the B1G desires you?
Why would it? The Big XII doesn’t even have a team in Mizzou. I’d rather see the championship game at a campus site than KC. That would make zero sense to most.
@@MrDavidfarris And? you have ku, kstate and Iowa state close by. Believe it or not most Kansans claim that stadium as part of Kansas. If you was from Kansas you would know that.
@@felipedominguez6121 Not from Kansas, I live in Tulsa. That aside, my point remains. Big XII has no business playing that game in KC. How people in Kansas regard it is moot, it isn’t in Kansas. I’d rather it be played in Wichita than in KC.
Yeah…let’s get the Market value up for Big 12……with Houston and Cinn. , BYU and UCF ….then add a few others as money is solidified! This will help us determine our value and gain some school loyalty! We surely have a more level playing field! Recruiting will remain competitive! LSU and OU have had less success over the last few years in Houston than you think! UT and A&M…seems to get mediocre results for their great recruiting. The number of transfers available is almost as large as freshmen! With 95 limit…the talent is leveling out thru numerous programs!
According to the voting members Presidents of the NCAA it is until further notice. Now would be a good time to win a playoff game or Natty to demonstrate its continuing viability as a P5. Because the board can meet and vote very quickly. And what the board has granted it can also take away.
The reason HOUSTON didn't get in in 2016 was The BIG-12's biggest requirement was to have a 🏟 seating 50,000. UofH 🏟 seats 40K. That's how TCU got in. This time, that Billionaire showed UofH got💰.
What does Boss T say about this process, funding? And dealing with the untrustworthy B12 Commissioner?… UofH has the name of the Houston area City and thus market is 4 th largest in country., easily!… the percentage needs to have additional clauses and bonuses above the others in conference.
Not going to happen. Prove you can compete and be a good member before making such demands. And remember, UH was the last invite considered this time. Wouldn’t take much to pass them by either. But I’m glad they did invite UH and I’m sure it’ll work out. But don’t act entitled, you’re about to be a P5 program for the very first time, don’t muck it up with crazy talk like that.
40% of the current schools ARE from Texas. The main reservation to adding Houston is the fact that Houston can now recruit in the other schools backyards. I'm sure they've determined that this also means the current schools can recruit a little more in Houston, so it's worth it.
I understand some of the resistence. e.g.....a 4 star recruit from Houston. "Hey kid, do you want to play in a Power 5 conference or are you going to settle for a Group of 5 school?"
It makes sense now. UT was the University that did not want additional Texas schools. There seems to be a low self esteem issue behind all that bravado. UT used to say "Don't mess with Texas!". Now they say "Horns down hurts my feelings.😥 It's disrespectful. Make them stop mommy! 😫 Make it a penalty." UT got woke in Austin. Crybabies. They threw a fit when the rest of the Big 12 invited TCU. Now we know why. TCU has been kicking their azz!! 🍑🦵🏻🏈 Bring it Houston!!💪🏻
The fear is that UH becomes the new UT. I don't care that much because I'm 1000 miles away, but if you're TCU, BU or TT I can see the worry. But you do what you've got to do.
@@aCycloneSteve there should never be another Texas in this conference again. And the Big 12 isn’t able to replace Oklahoma or Texas. I’m just glad we’re getting 4 schools that are fun and exciting that’ll be competitive and make the conference fun again
Look for Dana the Disaster to be getting the boot before long, I don't see WVU voting yes on Houston knowing Holderson will be their coach. He was given a top 10 team, and he ran it in the ground, then left. I will not watch Houston if he's on the sidelines
Houston and every other Big 12 team needs all the eyeballs and TV sets on them they can get so that the next Big 12 TV contract is as high as possible. If you don't like Dana Holgerson, turn the game on and go mow the lawn so your viewership shows up in the Nielson ratings. Help the Big 12 out.
Read my post, I said if Houston is on tv, with Holderson on the sideline, I won't watch. Love watching Big 12 games, won't watch that sorry excuse for a coach.
1. Ppl in Houston are still paranoid about covid as it's become very bad in Houston lately. 2. Fans are not excited about Dana Holgorsen or Clayton Tune and for good reason, they're both boring af. 3. Despite the 2 reasons above, they still had over 47,000 ppl in NRG which would have been a sellout at TDECU When Herman was here, fans showed how we can show up in support of our Cougars and that was with playing an AAC schedule. Moving up to the Big12 with more Texas rivals and brand names, expect those attendance numbers to skyrocket
@@DirtySouthScout KState fans showed up when we had Ron Prince even through we were "not excited" about him. Iowa State fans filled a Jack Trice for DECADES while their football team sucked hard. And trust me, the weather in Houston is ALWAYS better than in Ames. A huge chunk of those fans at NGR were Tech fans, not Houston fans. Dont pretend those 43K (announced attendance, not actual live bodies in the stadium) folks were Houston fans. Based on noise alone, it was close to 50/50. Bad attendance isnt a COVID thing. Announced attendance in 2019 for Huston home games averaged 26K. Thats pathetic when you have 46K students. Most Big12 schools have stadiums that are twice the size of the student body. Houston will be the ONLY school with a stadium SMALLER than the student body and you still cant fill it up.
All Houston does is create competition for recruiting! I don't care how you guys want to shine the shinola. Don't know why people want to create the old SWC.
Yesss... Houston creates competition... because... Houston is a potential powerhouse team that will be very appealing to many athletes.... which means... your conference will have a stronger team... and thus.... be a stronger conference... but apparently, what you really want is a team that will create little competition... so your little team can do better... in a weaker conference. As far as recreating the SWC, that's a bit of stretch without UT, A&M, Arkansas, SMU and Rice. But there is such a thing as "traditional rivalries"... and bringing in Houston will spark back up much more salient rivalries than Texas Tech vs. WVU or Baylor vs. Iowa State or TCU vs Kansas. Fess up, you want what's best for your little team's prospects, not for the league's.
Are you thinking they will go to where? KU to the B1G? WVU to ACC & OSU/KSU to PAC 12? Not impossible, but VERY unlikely. Are you thinking they will all go to the PAC 12?
K state and WVU are going nowhere. The acc doesn't want WVU they add no value same with k state to the PAC 12. Ku could maybe go to the big 10 but I think they'd rather have teams like Oregon, Washington, USC, or UCLA.
@@wvgolfnut1 That is an interesting theory. I could see why Kansas would think that they are most valuable, they are a basketball blue blood, but I'm not sure they're right. I could see why Baylor would think that they are the most valuable, they have good football, are the national champion in men's basketball and have a nation wide built in fan base. I'm not sure why WVU would be the most valuable team staying in the BIG XII. They have had some good football teams in the past. But so has OSU, KSU, TCU and even now my team is good, but I don't think I would have the gaul to say they're the most valuable. This sounds like your ego talking. I guess the thing that might clarify it is most valuable to whom? I think KU is the most valuable to the B1G, because they place value on AAU. (That would make ISU second most valuable to B1G) I could see WVU being most valuable to the ACC IF they want to add a local team and not expand into a new market. I suspect WVU would be one of the least valuable teams to the PAC 12.
WVU fans are starting to sound like Texas and Missouri fans. If the ACC wanted you, it would have happened a long time ago. It's Morgantown. Nobody but people from WV give a shit about it.
Big talk, no let’s see it. There are still some very strong teams in this league. So you’ll have the chance to prove it. Anyway, welcome glad you’re here! OSU 52-UH 14
@@MrDavidfarris david, Im a Nebraska fan...I was just kidding bout bama's level..but houston does have a shot to be good, recruiting and tv market wise.
I’d love to have them back also, but it isn’t happening. They’re happy where they are. They’d like to be better on the field that’s true. But cashing those $56 million checks is habit forming, and not happening in this league anytime soon. I’d venture to say if there were a chance of the Cornhuskers returning OU wouldn’t leave. The love/hate between those two schools is legendary. The Sooners would’ve waited with baited breath for that because those two are awesome for each other, they make greatness together and did for decades!
These are the right 4 schools to add. Memphis and Boise St are also worthy on the next round.
There won't be a next round.
As long as USF doesn’t get in I’m happy
If and when there's a next round it should be done after the current next round has time to settle in and be evaluated, i.e. lessons learned. Too much change too fast might create too much turmoil. Another personal opinion is that I suspect that media partners want to see how this next round plays out in order to establish value. And I suspect that the schools will want time to evaluate their new revenue streams. Not against expansion per se. Just think it's one step at at time.
Memphis is not even close to P5 worthy. Boise St football only maybe
Boise St. brings absolutely nothing to the Big 12.
As a WVU fan I wanted Memphis over Houston originally.. now I can see that Houston was the right school to add
As a Texan, I would like Memphis and UTSA added on the next round.
Nah man, Memphis is trashy. No Memphis, ever. They can stay in the AAC forever. Its where they belong.
I like the idea of Memphis becoming power 5 and becoming the best school in Tennessee. They're already better in recent years. Plus UCF could threaten the Florida schools fsu and Miami have been down for time now especially Miami. Cincinnati will probably never take over Ohio though but it should close the gap a little. And maybe byu can finally be competitive against Utah
Memphis is 5-0 in football Vs. Houston in last 5 meetings. We are great rivals and would BOTH be quality members.
@Ed Carman I hear you; however, UTSA is the 3rd largest university in the state of Texas, and is located in a top 10 city in the US in terms of population. It is a sleeping giant which will emerge of the National level soon.
This is a proper move for the big12. They are doing the right thing. I am a wvu fan and I hope the mountaineers stay in the big 12. This conference will become better than the acc or or pac 12.
1) the big 12 will go the way of the big east. It didn't matter how good wvu or Louisville were. its about money not records and no school in the big 12 is a financial draw
2) you're nuts if you'd rather play all these texas school. Our traditional rivals are in the ACC. BC syracuse pitt vt.
It already is better than the ACC and Pac 12.
@@wizman243 the big twelve current tv contract may be worth more than the other conferences but it expires in 3 years and without UT they won't be able to command the same price. Also it is only more valuable to the schools because there are less schools in the big 12 than acc or pac12. In the future the big 12 will have to split less money between more members.
@@NA.NA.. Your past friends don't want to share their $$ with WVU
@@wizman243 The new Big12. We’ll have to wait and see. The current big12 I would say and only because of Oklahoma and Texas. Everyone else does not produce enough revenue and has not been in the playoffs. How it stacks up to the ACC, doesn’t compare.
Great to see your subscriber count growing like crazy John. Keep up the good work!! 👍🏻😊
Excited for Houston!
Welcome to Power 5 conference Houston. Houston has more to gain than Big 12. Now, many Houston kids can play in Power 5 conference while staying close to home.
Being in a Power 5 adds more "legitimacy" to Houston's program and they can build a powerful program with a footprint right in Aggie and Longhorn recruiting territory. This can help the other conference schools recruit in the Houston metro area because they can sell recruits on having games in their hometown, which does matter. Also, if Houston raises the bar, the others will have to also do so in turn to compete - a win win across the board in my eyes
@Ed Carman Wrong. it is all presidents that gave "power 5" to Big 12 not individual conferences. Regardless TX-OU exit or new 4 team expansion, Big 12's Power 5 status would have remained until it collapses which almost happened if PAC12 had taken 2-4 teams from Big 12. SEC or any conferences don't have power to "not recognize". New Big 12 continue to be "Power 5". Unless all those presidents in current power 5 conference vote to strip "Power 5" status from Big 12. That won't happen. This is why BYU, UC, UCF and Houston are joining Big 12. Not because irate 8 schools.
What if Houston kids just one to get out of Houston; lots of people come and go. Some kids simply like a different scene. Houston or no other city owns recruits. As a TCU supporter, having UH adds upon the Horned Frogs' exposure in Houston and probably works in reverse for UH in the DFW.
The bottom line is that you need to have a more compelling reason for a recruit to decide to attend your school than Homeboyism!
Why are you characterizing the remaining 8 schools as "irate" when they just voted unanimously to invite your UH? UH fandom needs to calm down and be more humble because the bulk of the remaining Big12 schools will give UH all that it can handle.
As a TCU fan, I welcome Houston and won't miss UTerus, other than the consistent beating of them _in all sports._
I won’t miss the TU arrogant shorthorns either! They are like KU & think there’re so much better & aren’t
@@bige2012 They are though.
I am not a big Houston fan but I don’t know how you couldn’t include them. It is a huge media and recruiting market you can’t ignore. The school money puts money into its programs and I believe it would have a net positive to the Big 12.
Houston is a huge media market. Except most fans in Houston are not UH fans. Many root for A&M or Texas, while other fans root for LSU. Houstonians will just not watch the Big XII Conference, because UH enters the conference.
Several years ago, I attended a UT-UH game. There were more UT fans in the stands than UH fans.
Houston will eventually become a Big 12 title contender for two reasons: 1) fertile recruiting ground and 2) the amount of money Tillman Fertitta has and is willing to spend.
Houston won SWC titles before the Big XII was created. That was while the SWC had Texas and A&M. They'll be good again soon.
yea perhaps- but it took OkState years & they have T Boon $$. Houston isn’t going to steal any better recruits from Texas HS than they already get.
One Billionaire means little when universities have large endowments. TCU $1.68 billion, Baylor $1.39 billon, Kansas $1.81 billion, TX Tech $1.28
Houston is only like 1.01 billion.
Original SEC schools Vandy is $6.92 billion & Georgia is $2.17 billion
Here is the kicker is
UT has $30.96 billion & TX A&M $13.59 = $45 billion you can see why SEC wanted all that money was a huge $$$ jump.
Houston’s one Billionaire plays a very small role in my opinion. UT, A&M, & Ok is ginormous $$$ I mean Texas UT is just so rich we need the state to cut state funding to these schools. Texas citizens have subsidized UT into a metastasized bully. ESPN is to blame too. I mean they are intentionally sabotaging the Big XII to get out of their $1 billion dollar TV deal screwing the remaining 6 Big 12 schools to compensate for over bidding (outbidding NBC) for the SEC network. I mean the upgraded TV deal for Ok & UT are very small for ESPN to reneging on the other $800 million due to the other 6 schools.
It's cute how Houston thinks they're the only school with a billionaire booster. LMFAO!
@@Arianespace007 TCU's endowment far exceeds what is "reported". I mean, they're a private school for the top 1%....same with Baylor, Rice, and SMU.
This move makes too much sense to be stopped by Baylor, Gundy, or anybody else. In recruiting, there are tons of good 3- and 4-stars in Houston who will want to go to XII schools.
Gundy is all for adding Houston. He has made that very clear publicly, in a press conference. Check out the last six minutes of Gundy's press conference this week.
@@SJVA He's saying that now because it's a done deal. In the past, though, it was a different story. In the last round of what turned out to be non-expansion, Gundy outright said he did not want Houston anywhere near the conference. Don't get me wrong, I like Gundy. He's great for his program and for the conference as a whole. He's just looking out for his own.
@@mikeholley5662 Good
@@SJVA Gundy knows they are screwed with Texas and OU leaving the Big 12. Recruits will bypass the likes of Oklahoma State to play for the worst teams in the SEC instead. Bringing Houston on board was a move that needed to happen but it's not gonna right the ship by itself.
@@jesses5463 So you believe that a mid-level 4* player who is used to winning 10 games a year in high school and going to the playoffs every year, maybe even win a 5A or 6A State Championship, would rather go play for Vanderbilt and get their teeth kicked and only win three games a year and get overlooked by NFL scouts rather than play for Oklahoma State in the BIG 12, play in conference championship games, have four reasonable chances of winning a Big 12 Conference Championship, then go to the 12 team CFB playoffs and make it to the final four teams, get seen on national television, try out for the NFL, and probably get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round... you believe that kid would rather LOSE, because he is losing in the SEC, instead of winning in the Big 12?!? That's what you believe?!? Because that's what you just said. My question to you is "How long have you been smoking meth"???
I think Memphis makes sense. Perfect fit geographically.
Not so sold on Boise adds zip in recruiting or TV.
Another FLA school like USF makes sense from a recruiting perspective.
Seriously! Boise St brings nothing.
UCF wants Houston as a rival. Dibbs
Easy to get plane tickets for those games! I think Houston will want to take it to the Texas schools who wanted to keep them out of the conference every chance they get.
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Memphis and houston have a rivalry not ucf
UCF and Memphis is a better rivalry. Hopefully Memphis comes on wave 2
Yeah, UH has good rivalries with Memphis and Cinci. I can't wait to further develop that UCF rivalry in B12 play. I'm glad UCF and Cinci seem to be getting the invites but would definitely like it if we kept the band together and they also invited Memphis ASAP.
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UH/Baylor/TCU/TECH helps create a strong Big12 Texas brand. I would consider SMU if they go to 16. If the overall brand is strong will help dent the SEC raids into the states... won't stop it, but for Texas recruits, being able to play schools close to friends/family is a selling point to some. UH program has declined under Dana, unfortunately. I would bring Herman back despite the hard feelings.
Unfortunately, SMU adds zero value to the Big 12.
As much as I would like SMU (Old UH rival) I think it would make more sense for Tulane to get that invite. B12 could use a Louisiana and Georgia school in further expansion.
@@TheTexasJuan I'd rather see Tulane over SMU, green wave has a much better program.
Tom Herman screwed Tilman Fertitta over. Herman is persona non grata in Houston
@@tedcarr701 yeah the Herman story is a weird one. It almost makes sense that the whole reason B12 didn’t expand in 2016 and UH lost some weak games is because UT was already in the process of hiring Herman. We all know UT has never wanted UH but the whole Herman thing fits. He didn’t even finish the season.
Texas is a big state. Tech, TCU and Baylor are all on the northern side. It would be like saying that Cal, Stanford and San Jose St. cover the Southern California market better than San Diego St. would.
Memphis would be great
Welcome to the BIG 12 Houston!! 💪🏻🏈
Exactly. Expansion to 14 Teams in the short term. If OU & tu don't want to play in the Big XII with four new teams added they can write the checks and move on to the $EC. Once they make the jump bring on 2 more and rock it with 16 Teams. EMAW!!!
@@OldSgtsMaj52 Agreed
Memphis needs to be added
They will soon. Teams aren't done leaving the b12
@@tmcc9867 Are you one of those delusional WVU fans thinking the ACC is going to bring them into the fold? Or are you a delusional KU fan who thinks the B1G desires you?
Should the big 12 Championship move back to KC?
No. Playing in Jerry's world is a draw to kids
Why would it? The Big XII doesn’t even have a team in Mizzou. I’d rather see the championship game at a campus site than KC. That would make zero sense to most.
@@MrDavidfarris And? you have ku, kstate and Iowa state close by. Believe it or not most Kansans claim that stadium as part of Kansas. If you was from Kansas you would know that.
@@felipedominguez6121 Not from Kansas, I live in Tulsa. That aside, my point remains. Big XII has no business playing that game in KC. How people in Kansas regard it is moot, it isn’t in Kansas. I’d rather it be played in Wichita than in KC.
Yeah…let’s get the Market value up for Big 12……with Houston and Cinn. , BYU and UCF ….then add a few others as money is solidified!
This will help us determine our value and gain some school loyalty! We surely have a more level playing field! Recruiting will remain competitive!
LSU and OU have had less success over the last few years in Houston than you think! UT and A&M…seems to get mediocre results for their great recruiting.
The number of transfers available is almost as large as freshmen! With 95 limit…the talent is leveling out thru numerous programs!
Former UH student here that thinks SMU needs to be back playing with former Southwest Conference teams. SMU needs to be in the Big 12.
Million dollar question. With UH UCF Cincinnati and BYU is the b12 still a power 5?
According to the voting members Presidents of the NCAA it is until further notice. Now would be a good time to win a playoff game or Natty to demonstrate its continuing viability as a P5. Because the board can meet and vote very quickly. And what the board has granted it can also take away.
Joseph does an outstanding job covering UH. Go Coogs!
Will bog 12 go down to group of 5?
Boise can join in agreeing to get rid of the blue turf
The reason HOUSTON didn't get in in 2016 was The BIG-12's biggest requirement was to have a 🏟 seating 50,000. UofH 🏟 seats 40K. That's how TCU got in. This time, that Billionaire showed UofH got💰.
TCU can't do 50k unless they do standing room only. I believe official seating capacity is around 44-45k.
What are the odds ut and ou stay
Zero
Houston: who have beaten the mighty juggernauts like Prairie View, Grambling, UConn and Rice over the past few years. Give me a break.
Luck doing Bowlshitsby's job.
Next move after the dust settles should be the removal of ol’ Bob!
Houston is now the university UT wishes it was.
What does Boss T say about this process, funding? And dealing with the untrustworthy B12 Commissioner?… UofH has the name of the Houston area City and thus market is 4 th largest in country., easily!… the percentage needs to have additional clauses and bonuses above the others in conference.
Not going to happen. Prove you can compete and be a good member before making such demands. And remember, UH was the last invite considered this time. Wouldn’t take much to pass them by either. But I’m glad they did invite UH and I’m sure it’ll work out. But don’t act entitled, you’re about to be a P5 program for the very first time, don’t muck it up with crazy talk like that.
BIG XVI
The Big 12 needs Texas schools. Why would the other Texas schools not want Houston? It benefits everyone for recruiting purposes
40% of the current schools ARE from Texas. The main reservation to adding Houston is the fact that Houston can now recruit in the other schools backyards. I'm sure they've determined that this also means the current schools can recruit a little more in Houston, so it's worth it.
I understand some of the resistence. e.g.....a 4 star recruit from Houston. "Hey kid, do you want to play in a Power 5 conference or are you going to settle for a Group of 5 school?"
It makes sense now. UT was the University that did not want additional Texas schools. There seems to be a low self esteem issue behind all that bravado. UT used to say "Don't mess with Texas!". Now they say "Horns down hurts my feelings.😥 It's disrespectful. Make them stop mommy! 😫 Make it a penalty." UT got woke in Austin. Crybabies. They threw a fit when the rest of the Big 12 invited TCU. Now we know why. TCU has been kicking their azz!! 🍑🦵🏻🏈 Bring it Houston!!💪🏻
The fear is that UH becomes the new UT. I don't care that much because I'm 1000 miles away, but if you're TCU, BU or TT I can see the worry. But you do what you've got to do.
@@aCycloneSteve there should never be another Texas in this conference again. And the Big 12 isn’t able to replace Oklahoma or Texas. I’m just glad we’re getting 4 schools that are fun and exciting that’ll be competitive and make the conference fun again
Look for Dana the Disaster to be getting the boot before long, I don't see WVU voting yes on Houston knowing Holderson will be their coach. He was given a top 10 team, and he ran it in the ground, then left. I will not watch Houston if he's on the sidelines
They would never cut off their nose out of spite. They would lose all credibility as a school if they were that petty.
Houston and every other Big 12 team needs all the eyeballs and TV sets on them they can get so that the next Big 12 TV contract is as high as possible. If you don't like Dana Holgerson, turn the game on and go mow the lawn so your viewership shows up in the Nielson ratings. Help the Big 12 out.
You mean Dana did to Houston what he did to WVU? Big shocker there.
The vote Friday or whenever is essentially a done deal. These sort of things get pre-sold and pre-approved in the light of public scrutiny.
Read my post, I said if Houston is on tv, with Holderson on the sideline, I won't watch. Love watching Big 12 games, won't watch that sorry excuse for a coach.
Fans
Dont
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They didnt show up against Tech and you can see NRG from campus.
1. Ppl in Houston are still paranoid about covid as it's become very bad in Houston lately.
2. Fans are not excited about Dana Holgorsen or Clayton Tune and for good reason, they're both boring af.
3. Despite the 2 reasons above, they still had over 47,000 ppl in NRG which would have been a sellout at TDECU
When Herman was here, fans showed how we can show up in support of our Cougars and that was with playing an AAC schedule. Moving up to the Big12 with more Texas rivals and brand names, expect those attendance numbers to skyrocket
@@DirtySouthScout KState fans showed up when we had Ron Prince even through we were "not excited" about him. Iowa State fans filled a Jack Trice for DECADES while their football team sucked hard. And trust me, the weather in Houston is ALWAYS better than in Ames.
A huge chunk of those fans at NGR were Tech fans, not Houston fans. Dont pretend those 43K (announced attendance, not actual live bodies in the stadium) folks were Houston fans. Based on noise alone, it was close to 50/50.
Bad attendance isnt a COVID thing. Announced attendance in 2019 for Huston home games averaged 26K. Thats pathetic when you have 46K students. Most Big12 schools have stadiums that are twice the size of the student body. Houston will be the ONLY school with a stadium SMALLER than the student body and you still cant fill it up.
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😂 Hard accomplishment to achieve in John's videos!
@@SJVA damn 🤣
Houston will beat Rice....
lmao i hope so
Obviously they avoided saying “Cougs House!” In front of Bowlsby
🤣😂 It's going to be funny when they say it in front of BYU fans!
Cougs is Washington State. Coogs is Houston.
Sleeping Giant!!
Memphis would be a better fit, rather than Houston. Build a bridge to WVU.
WVU Kansas, OK state and Kansas State will be leaving after the grant of rights ends.
@@wvgolfnut1 are they going to form their own conference?
Thats pretty close to the dumbest statement Ive seen recently
From what I've read, Memphis may have some work to do in terms of academics and facilities. All achievable but will take time and money
@@wvgolfnut1 and where are they going? lol keep dreaming. Make the B12 a viable conference. Stand on your own for once!
All Houston does is create competition for recruiting! I don't care how you guys want to shine the shinola. Don't know why people want to create the old SWC.
Yesss... Houston creates competition... because... Houston is a potential powerhouse team that will be very appealing to many athletes.... which means... your conference will have a stronger team... and thus.... be a stronger conference... but apparently, what you really want is a team that will create little competition... so your little team can do better... in a weaker conference. As far as recreating the SWC, that's a bit of stretch without UT, A&M, Arkansas, SMU and Rice. But there is such a thing as "traditional rivalries"... and bringing in Houston will spark back up much more salient rivalries than Texas Tech vs. WVU or Baylor vs. Iowa State or TCU vs Kansas. Fess up, you want what's best for your little team's prospects, not for the league's.
UCF can sleep. SMU
WVU, Kansas, OK state and Kansas State will be leaving after the grant of rights ends. Look for another round of expansion in 2025
Are you thinking they will go to where?
KU to the B1G? WVU to ACC & OSU/KSU to PAC 12?
Not impossible, but VERY unlikely.
Are you thinking they will all go to the PAC 12?
K state and WVU are going nowhere. The acc doesn't want WVU they add no value same with k state to the PAC 12. Ku could maybe go to the big 10 but I think they'd rather have teams like Oregon, Washington, USC, or UCLA.
WVU is the most valuable team that's staying in the big 12
@@wvgolfnut1 That is an interesting theory.
I could see why Kansas would think that they are most valuable, they are a basketball blue blood, but I'm not sure they're right.
I could see why Baylor would think that they are the most valuable, they have good football, are the national champion in men's basketball and have a nation wide built in fan base.
I'm not sure why WVU would be the most valuable team staying in the BIG XII. They have had some good football teams in the past. But so has OSU, KSU, TCU and even now my team is good, but I don't think I would have the gaul to say they're the most valuable.
This sounds like your ego talking.
I guess the thing that might clarify it is most valuable to whom? I think KU is the most valuable to the B1G, because they place value on AAU. (That would make ISU second most valuable to B1G)
I could see WVU being most valuable to the ACC IF they want to add a local team and not expand into a new market.
I suspect WVU would be one of the least valuable teams to the PAC 12.
WVU fans are starting to sound like Texas and Missouri fans. If the ACC wanted you, it would have happened a long time ago. It's Morgantown. Nobody but people from WV give a shit about it.
houston will become the bama of the big 12
Big talk, no let’s see it. There are still some very strong teams in this league. So you’ll have the chance to prove it. Anyway, welcome glad you’re here!
OSU 52-UH 14
@@MrDavidfarris david, Im a Nebraska fan...I was just kidding bout bama's level..but houston does have a shot to be good, recruiting and tv market wise.
Ugh
The little 8 are desperate.
@@machtschnell7452 And?
Do Not want Houston Nebraska instead
Nebraska would be a better team than they are now after a few years of recruiting in Big 12 country. Love to have them back.
I’d love to have them back also, but it isn’t happening. They’re happy where they are. They’d like to be better on the field that’s true. But cashing those $56 million checks is habit forming, and not happening in this league anytime soon. I’d venture to say if there were a chance of the Cornhuskers returning OU wouldn’t leave. The love/hate between those two schools is legendary. The Sooners would’ve waited with baited breath for that because those two are awesome for each other, they make greatness together and did for decades!
@@MrDavidfarris Agreed, no way Nebraska comes back. That's why they will keep losing. And cashing checks.
Some really strange comments, Nebraska leave the BIG 10, yeah let’s take a 25 million pay cut.
Houston is going to have to change their name since there will be 2 Cougars now. How about the Houston Oilers? throw it back
How about BYU changing to SAINTS!