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+OsamaDid 711 I had so much fun playing the tactical battles that for the first half of the campaign I just fought the bonus missions (and the random Cylon incursion) until all my fleets had battlestars. :P Now, I'm not sure what kind of trouble you were having, but I've got a few general tips for you.... ;) Strategic Stuff: - Like I said, you don't have to immediately tackle each campaign mission when it pops up. Wait until you are good and happy with your fleets size/strength until moving on. - You might say, "Well, that's all fine and good, sir, but the Cylons are all OVER my ass!" To this I say, you will want to keep at least 3 fleets in the Alpha sector. That's where the Cylons seem to spawn into. (You find out why, later!) Do your best to intercept new Cylon fleets as they appear. - Then have a fleet in each of the remaining sectors to deal with bonus missions (which have a time limit on them) that pop up. These will give you the fuel (money) and requisition points (basically experience points for your captains and buying blueprints) that you will need. If the officers in these fleets aren't getting enough experience, consider swapping them out with the ones in the Alpha sector. And don't be afraid of spending some reputation points to get them buffed up a couple of levels in order to have bigger ships in their fleets right away. - Once you get that setup, build 3 _more_ fleets and send them to the Alpha sector to shadow the fleets already there and build up their officer's experience. Then, park any fleets who's officer is maxed out in level in the space lanes that exit the Alpha sector. This will allow you to put your Daedelus mobile ship factory anywhere you want and leave it undefended. Keep in mind that you don't have to actually play out every battle! You will basically have a strong fleet with each "trainee" fleet, so when you encounter Cylons you will be able to see their fleet strength and be able to determine which fleet to use, the trainee or the badass one guarding them. ;) Then, save the game and do the Auto-resolve option when the stakes are below 20%. If you lose any ships, just reload the game and try again! Note: these hints are for newbs. Once you get good, you might like the challenge of playing the game as quickly as possible with your l33t 455 skillz. ;) Creep and save is the name of the game for new players! :) - Do _not_ go further in the campaign after you complete the mission that gives you access to battlestar blueprints! Again, the further you go, the bigger and badder the new Cylon fleets will be. KEEP THEM ON THE ROPES IN THE ALPHA SECTOR! Maybe even add a fourth fleet to the Alpha sector at some point. - Move the Daedelus shipyard to capital planets that give you bonuses that will help you. Generally, I keep it on planets that help Colonial FTL cooldown times or hurt Cylon times. Then, when you are ready to promote and officer or buy some blueprints, move to a capital that has those bonuses. - Officer skillz: If you want each officer to max out their special flagship abilities, make sure you don't put more than 3 points into the middle column. That's the one that gives your entire fleet a special bonus to one of their internal systems. You can only go to 11 (you start at level 1, of course, but with no skills), so that means you will only have 10 points to spend over their career. If you don't think the flagship skills are all that great, by all means put more points into the middle column. - Officer skillz 2: Later on, it will be hard to rapidly train new officers, so keep your eyes peeled for officers who specialize in CIC. One of their early skills lets them gain experience faster. Also, a later skill increases the amount of Tylium you get from Colonial capital planets. ;) - Early in the game, keep moving fleets with officers to planets with low stability (I can't remember the correct term right now. You'll know what I'm talking about in-game.) Once you get them maxed out, and as long as you keep the Cylons away, they will never fall low enough to break away from the quorum. Also, planets with high stability pay out more Tylium. :) - When I replace smaller ships in fleets, I send them to Ragnar to keep them out of the way but always there if you need to reinforce a fleet that needs it until a real replacement comes along. (By being built.) Group them into smaller "reserve" fleets or else it gets pretty messy trying to keep track of them around Ragnar. Tactical Stuff: - Ships have guns on different sides (top/bottom/front/back/sides). The turret view will show you what kind of weapons they are and how much damage the do per gun. Unfortunately, the game doesn't (as far as I can see) tell you how _many_ guns you have! So, you'll have to zoom in on each ship to see how many there are and determine the best way to maneuver each ship to inflict the most damage. For example, a banking turn will bring your weapons underneath to attack ships outside of the turn arc, along with the side weapons. - Some guns do better at longer range; some at shorter range. Look at the turret view to see. - If you fly in too tight of a formation, your ships might get hit by your own missiles if they are too close to the sides! That and you could run into your own ships in a pinch if you're not careful! - Speaking of ramming... (Bwahahahaha!) In rare instances, I _have_ used it as a viable tactic! If you've got a big ship and an enemy is about to slip by, just ram the sucker. If you're bigger, you'll survive. If you haven't taken too much damage. ;) But, don't use it as a primary tactic. Just in the desperate final minutes as a last resort. ;) Your ships are all fully repaired after the battle. :) - Once you get ships with the Flak ability, use it to screen your ships from incoming missiles and fighters. Do NOT get your own fighters near the flak! :P It won't hurt other ships, though. ;) - If you get the expansion, don't be afraid of using torpedoes. A well aimed/timed volley can do massive damage. Good for use against ships that are coming right at you or away from you. They are unguided so they don't handle ships that are turning or gaining height rapidly. - Generally, focus fire is great for taking out a single target. But, don't be afraid _not_ to use it! Your ships will know who to shoot at. ;) Focus fire increases the hit rate on one target while lowering it for others. _All_ of your guns will still shoot at whatever they want to, but will do more damage to the target that is being focused on. - Believe it or not, I used Manticore corvettes even late in the game! 1 per fleet. They make great scouts and it's fun to throw a nuke on one, zoom in close early in the fight and blast one of their biggest ships out of the stars (usually). Just keep a steady hand on the stick and stay cool and you just might make it back behind the protection of the rest of your fleet. ;) :P But, hey, if that one tiny ship takes out a big one all by itself, all the better! And their pretty good DRADIS scanner range makes them ideal for scouts. Once you can see the enemy ships, your big slow ships can start shooting them with missiles. :) OK. Didn't mean to bang out that much text. There's more than enough to get your started, but you'll figure it out as you go. It will click at some point. And you'll make up your own strategy to fit your playstyle! :)
After reading the quote at the start I can't get the image of a captain saying "Screw it, nuke the bastards, I'm getting sick of this," out of my head. I'm not the only one, surely?
Hi There Yes, and we are talking about thousands of kilometers in distance between them. It'll be usual solar radiation by the time it reaches ship which fired nuclear rocket.
@@ImperativeGames if memory serves me the in universe explanation is that there was a nuclear disarmament treaty to prevent apocalypse level orbital bombardment in the event of a war
@@ImperativeGames Nuke is rather expensive and delicate piece of equipment. Yeeting object at target as kinetic kill vehicle can be much more cost effective.
Older vessels: "we can't get hacked if we don't have any advanced technology!" What a beautiful ship though. For anyone wondering, the music used was the 'Colonial Theme' (personally, I think it should be called 'pride of the colonies' but whatever).
For context: the Janus is three times longer than a real life Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. Given this ship’s fearsome armament, that’s a terrifying thought.
it's Halcyon class the Marathon class replace it but was thrown away as it just wasn't durable enough and the upgraded Halcyon class surpassed them in every way. but they where around the same size as both where around 1 km long (the Halcyon is 1.2 km ) the later Autumn class ( 1.4 km) was based on the Halcyon upgrades which where still smaller then most of the large Battlestars
UNSC cruisers started with the Halcyon class, which was old, but insanely durable. Next came the Marathon class, which served for a while, but was discontinued after reverse-engineered covenant and forerunner tech rendered it obsolete. The autumn class is the most recent, based off of the pillar of autumn refit, but with a few upgrades of its own, such as shields, enhanced sensors and comms arrays, and more powerful reactors. Long story short, any of these 3 would destroy the Janus in a 1v1.
I'm assuming that this ship is even older than the Artemis. Yet somehow it looks "Newer" I always had the impression that the Artemis was the oldest Available Battlestar in the Fleet. This Janus class does somewhat resemble the Ranger class from the Fan-Site that introduced the Defender class Battlestar.
Although they are very similar, I feel the Ranger and the Janus are quite different tactically. Like he said in the video a Janus is meant to park in one place and slug it out, whereas a Ranger is (in my mind at least) closer to a skirmish torpedo boat. Janus work well with slow, bulky Jupiters, but Rangers pair better with faster ships like an Artemis or Minerva. My 2p.
@@ImperativeGames im pretty sure that this Ship class is just to dense to notice and just plows through a Basestar like its nothing...okay maybe its platings gets some scratches
We need a series set around the 1st cyclon war with ships like this. Whats better than one Battlestar in action? A whole bunch of em along with cruisers, destroyers and corvettes going toe to toe with the bucketheads.
Someone said this in the comments on another video: The ultimate "have nukes, will travel" escorts for the Daidalos shipyard. Can carry 3 nukes, and since it is in the fleet for Daidalos, zero replenishment cost. Since I typically have two cruisers in a fleet, that's six nukes right there - which cost nothing to restock afterwards. That is a *stupid* amount of firepower - and I love it. Don't screw with our shipyard/command center.
Every time you say First Cylon War you make me think of a Mod for Star Wars: Empire At War: Forces of Corruption. The mod is called "Battlestar Galactica: War of the Colonies". The mod's creators made up a storyline of what if Caprica Six had defected to the Colonies before the Attack that is seen in the Miniseries, and warns them and even helps them defend against the Comprimised CNP program, thus forcing a traditional war.
@@MarionetteDuAuguste the cylons basically built their fleet to glass the colonies not fight a war. If they knew a real fight was coming they might have built real warships and had more of a fight
She's a very colonial design: brute force and inelegant, yet highly effective. Redundant components and durability make up for the lack of sophistication.
Theres something older and more stoic to her. In the age of battlestars, of valient and dareing pilots and Courageous Carrier groups. There, in the background, skulking in the flanks, is the Janus, ready to remind the Toasters why Humans are better at void combat... Because the Janus? Shes a 3 mile long, nuclear armed ballistic sledehammer.
Any chance of that extended episode on the Lantian Atlantis class class city ships that you mentioned in the comments way back on the City ship episode? Would be awesome to get the full scope of the ship/city.
Any plans for Adamant class frigate rundown? - in the game this vessel proved to be universal, cost-effective and way more usefull then most of the battlestars including Artemis and Jupiter class.
Even later, but... The Minotaur is an absolute beast with how many guns it's got, but can be something of a glass cannon if unsupported. The Janus is more dependent on its missiles (which is a good thing, because it's about as fast as continental drift) but will tank just about anything. If you can get the Janus into gun range, it's pretty dangerous. Unfortunately, that's the Janus' biggest drawback: as well as being outpaced by a particularly ambitious tortoise, her fire control is pretty short-ranged. But, given the Janus costs about the same in fleet points as a Ranger or Minotaur, you could definitely do worse than putting one or two in a battlestar group. I tend to keep them with my Artemis', load one munition slot with PCMs, and just go toe-to-toe with any Cylon ships that get close. Against a full missile barrage, half-dozen heavy turrets, and a Battlestar's main battery, Cylons do not last long.
Its kind of weird, but the Janus actually has a kind of anemic gun complement compared to most ships. Its one optimal angle where all guns can fire is to the lower front, there its 2 heavy guns and 3 medium guns. For reference, a Berzerker gets 5 medium guns on each broadside while being much lighter and smaller, and almost a pure carrier. The Ranger for example, the other "missile boat" is also much smaller and lighter, even gets better missile slots (2 instead of 3, but they reload faster so overall DPS is higher), yet its almost covered in guns. 2 heavy turrets on the front, then 4 mediums each side and two more mediums on the underside. And dont get me started on actual gunships or Battlestars. Janus is really just a durable as fuck brick with lots of missiles.
Kirk Jacobson Wow thank you man, that link answered a lot of questions I had rattling around in my head since I saw BSG that Caperica just didn’t answer due to its burn off cancelation. Considering they come up with video games from time to time for BSG, I wonder if they will ever make another show, another prequel that isn’t like Caperica would be nice, maybe “Kobol”.
Corey Donaldson yeah it would help answer a lot of questions, like was the resurrection technology only used by the 13th tribe or by all of humanity. Were the lords of kobol immortal humans? What led to the division between the 12 and 13th tribe? These are answers we need to know! Just without thr a sty teenage mellow drama that was Caperica...
May not have been as quick or maneuverable as the Ranger, but I used it extensively in the final missions of Deadlock. 1 Jupiter, 2 Minervas, and 2 Janus backed up by Daedalus. Equip all of the Janus's missile slots with Nukes and destroy capital ships quickly after using the Jupiter's Raptor as a recon platform. Would assign the Daedalos fighter wings as defensive escorts. In the final mission, my Janus' annihilated the majority of Cylon base ships allowing for my Battlestars to move into gun range and annihilate Avalon.
The Jupiter Battlestar really was a step "Backward" and was clearly intended to be a Hybrid of the Artemis and the Janus. The Artemis is more "Advanced" Than the Jupiter in terms of Technology (But the Artemis is generally weaker and has inferior Armament. And any technological advantage was lost when Networked technology was abandoned making the Jupiter ultimately superior) The Mercury class would bring back several elements of the Artemis design not only in structure but in its computer technology as well.
I love these. Stick 6 of them to deidalus and have 18 nukes which you get for free. Use those 2 Viper squadrons from deidalus to get IFF Marks and then nuke them from orbit. 😈
Just imagine how much better humanity would have done if they'd had a museum fleet with Galactica composed of mothballed ships from the first Cylon War
My favorite fleet composition includes 2 of these, a battlestar, 2 minotaurs, and 2 adamants. And yes I can confirm cylons don't last too long against them
i've used these a few times in lieu of ranger missle cruisers... on 3 consecutive missions/ambush bouts I noticed a pattern by the cylons...several salvos of missles via nemesis/phobos shot simultaneous at my janus! had to 'borrow' a viper squadron to defend my janus since it was the slowest and least manueverable ship in that fleet; that same pattern is now played out against my manticores...frakkin annoying!
I don't have Deadlock, so perhaps this is a mistake on their part, but it's not "Yanus". It's clearly based on the two-faced god of doorways, beginnings and endings in the Greek pantheon, and in english at least, his name is pronounced "Janus", hard J.
I highly doubt that the WHOLE (except Jupiters) lineup of ships changed. Just put 1 or 2 Blood and Chrome designs in there and it looks more consistend.
@@scelonferdi Way I see it is that Blood and Chrome was an in universe movie set during the first cylon war and because they didn't have many first cylon war ships in working order they just used modern ships as stand ins hoping no one would notice (Our own hollywood did a lot of this in the 70's and 80's when making war movies)
@@firestorm165 Okay, but didn't most of these designs originate from blood and chrome? why shouldn't they be considered first war designs? THe movie came long before the game (but is also set much later in the conflict).
Have you ever considered any of the ships that have appeared in the Transformers franchise? I'm sure there's not quite as much to go on since the series doesn't focus on the ships, but are there any that have caught your eye at least? Also, great video as usual. I never fully watched the BG series but this was still pretty cool to know.
Twin torpedos and ECMs only please. Maximum power to weapons and say goodbye to Revenants, Arachnes, Talons and you’ll beat the stuffing out of basestars with a twin Janus alpha-strike.
Love the music featured in these episodes! Does anyone happen to know where one can watch the battlestar galactica shows? It's one of the cult classics ive yet to watch.
Was thinking of that same ship. It's nicely open to throw photon torpedoes into the superstructure and easily crippled with sustained fire to the very exposed engine. At least in The Old Republic online.
Johnson Delvetto I dunno the Ruthari love their railguns. Granted their projectiles consist of a container of superheated ionized plasma sandwiched between two super dense metallic slugs but still
There was a space fighter game on the PS2 I think, which was based on the original BSG and there is Beyond The Red Line, which is a mod for Freespace 2
I like the vid. Unfortunate, now that I've use the ship in the game, I don't like it much at all. My main tactic while playing BSG Deadlock is to form a wall of battle. Namely stacking ships vertically and horizontally. This takes advantage of battlestar's ability to defend them selves (and ships behind them) from incoming ordinance and pump out staggering amounts of fire. While other ships support 'ships of the wall' with missile barrages, additional fighters, etc. The Janus, can't do this. The ordinance is fine, but it has a slower firing rate compared to the Ranger CG. Also the Janus is slow, with limited firing arcs. Now the video did give me the idea of using the Janus as a mine layer, which I think I'll try (dropping a wall of EMP or proximity mines along the Cylon line of advance). But you might be able to do that with supporting Adamants. Mines are an interesting add on to the game that I have used in the early game. Not so much later as the flight deck space is available to have a Raptor flight buzzing around disarming them.
I hate it when sci fi shows/games/books call ships heavy cruisers. There is really no such thing. "Heavy cruisers" were a figment of the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty, which imposed limits on ship tonnage in the fleets of signatory navies. The Royal Navy needed a whole bunch of commerce protection cruisers for their empire while the US and Japan wanted fewer but more heavily armed cruisers. Britain did not want their fleet made obsolete by these larger and better armed potential adversaries. To settle the issue, a distinction was made between the 8" gun armed cruisers and 6" and smaller gunned types. Thus "heavy" and "light," The whole thing really only played out in the interwar period and the categories really ceased to have any meaning. Thus it is silly for sci-fi franchises to draw on this outmoded term. Guess it sounds cool.
Are you kidding? Just put some highly skilled computer system passers and a few AA guns on those and they can stand defiantly longer they should like flying middle fingers in space.
Specter5053 I was having the same trouble. Then on a hunch I tried out some Napoleonic naval tactics and started kicking toasters all over the place. In fact they worked so well I was astounded. Try some out for yourself. I recommend approaching the enemy in the line abreast formation with your units with forward facing guns in the center and have your adamants on the wings and then transition into line astern when you reach weapons range
Janus is too slow, and is sorely lacking in guns. 3 missile tubes are nice, but I'd prefer a variant with more guns...especially on top. I tend not to use them in my Deadlock battles. As far as looks go I think it's one of the coolest non battlestar designs.
Actually its Latin. And is a name of a roman god which fits with the whole greak/roman theology that the colonials had. He is the god of beginnings, gates, transitions, time, duality, doorways, passages, and endings.
I wish they would purge the actual TV show from canon. Just declare that it never happened. Any of it. Ever. And then made a new show that doesn't have such a fucking retarded ending, and that actually has likable characters. I really like the technology of this setting and the way the battles were animated, but the characters and overall story were grating and awful. Everyone was stupid assholes. And the "plan" was made up as they went along. Fucking dreadful.
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It has been released.
SharpOB holy crap its time to buy! !!
Any chance of you doing the remaining ships of the Colonial and Cylon fleets your briefing on the vessels are spot on
+OsamaDid 711 I had so much fun playing the tactical battles that for the first half of the campaign I just fought the bonus missions (and the random Cylon incursion) until all my fleets had battlestars. :P Now, I'm not sure what kind of trouble you were having, but I've got a few general tips for you.... ;)
Strategic Stuff:
- Like I said, you don't have to immediately tackle each campaign mission when it pops up. Wait until you are good and happy with your fleets size/strength until moving on.
- You might say, "Well, that's all fine and good, sir, but the Cylons are all OVER my ass!" To this I say, you will want to keep at least 3 fleets in the Alpha sector. That's where the Cylons seem to spawn into. (You find out why, later!) Do your best to intercept new Cylon fleets as they appear.
- Then have a fleet in each of the remaining sectors to deal with bonus missions (which have a time limit on them) that pop up. These will give you the fuel (money) and requisition points (basically experience points for your captains and buying blueprints) that you will need. If the officers in these fleets aren't getting enough experience, consider swapping them out with the ones in the Alpha sector. And don't be afraid of spending some reputation points to get them buffed up a couple of levels in order to have bigger ships in their fleets right away.
- Once you get that setup, build 3 _more_ fleets and send them to the Alpha sector to shadow the fleets already there and build up their officer's experience. Then, park any fleets who's officer is maxed out in level in the space lanes that exit the Alpha sector. This will allow you to put your Daedelus mobile ship factory anywhere you want and leave it undefended. Keep in mind that you don't have to actually play out every battle! You will basically have a strong fleet with each "trainee" fleet, so when you encounter Cylons you will be able to see their fleet strength and be able to determine which fleet to use, the trainee or the badass one guarding them. ;) Then, save the game and do the Auto-resolve option when the stakes are below 20%. If you lose any ships, just reload the game and try again! Note: these hints are for newbs. Once you get good, you might like the challenge of playing the game as quickly as possible with your l33t 455 skillz. ;) Creep and save is the name of the game for new players! :)
- Do _not_ go further in the campaign after you complete the mission that gives you access to battlestar blueprints! Again, the further you go, the bigger and badder the new Cylon fleets will be. KEEP THEM ON THE ROPES IN THE ALPHA SECTOR! Maybe even add a fourth fleet to the Alpha sector at some point.
- Move the Daedelus shipyard to capital planets that give you bonuses that will help you. Generally, I keep it on planets that help Colonial FTL cooldown times or hurt Cylon times. Then, when you are ready to promote and officer or buy some blueprints, move to a capital that has those bonuses.
- Officer skillz: If you want each officer to max out their special flagship abilities, make sure you don't put more than 3 points into the middle column. That's the one that gives your entire fleet a special bonus to one of their internal systems. You can only go to 11 (you start at level 1, of course, but with no skills), so that means you will only have 10 points to spend over their career. If you don't think the flagship skills are all that great, by all means put more points into the middle column.
- Officer skillz 2: Later on, it will be hard to rapidly train new officers, so keep your eyes peeled for officers who specialize in CIC. One of their early skills lets them gain experience faster. Also, a later skill increases the amount of Tylium you get from Colonial capital planets. ;)
- Early in the game, keep moving fleets with officers to planets with low stability (I can't remember the correct term right now. You'll know what I'm talking about in-game.) Once you get them maxed out, and as long as you keep the Cylons away, they will never fall low enough to break away from the quorum. Also, planets with high stability pay out more Tylium. :)
- When I replace smaller ships in fleets, I send them to Ragnar to keep them out of the way but always there if you need to reinforce a fleet that needs it until a real replacement comes along. (By being built.) Group them into smaller "reserve" fleets or else it gets pretty messy trying to keep track of them around Ragnar.
Tactical Stuff:
- Ships have guns on different sides (top/bottom/front/back/sides). The turret view will show you what kind of weapons they are and how much damage the do per gun. Unfortunately, the game doesn't (as far as I can see) tell you how _many_ guns you have! So, you'll have to zoom in on each ship to see how many there are and determine the best way to maneuver each ship to inflict the most damage. For example, a banking turn will bring your weapons underneath to attack ships outside of the turn arc, along with the side weapons.
- Some guns do better at longer range; some at shorter range. Look at the turret view to see.
- If you fly in too tight of a formation, your ships might get hit by your own missiles if they are too close to the sides! That and you could run into your own ships in a pinch if you're not careful!
- Speaking of ramming... (Bwahahahaha!) In rare instances, I _have_ used it as a viable tactic! If you've got a big ship and an enemy is about to slip by, just ram the sucker. If you're bigger, you'll survive. If you haven't taken too much damage. ;) But, don't use it as a primary tactic. Just in the desperate final minutes as a last resort. ;) Your ships are all fully repaired after the battle. :)
- Once you get ships with the Flak ability, use it to screen your ships from incoming missiles and fighters. Do NOT get your own fighters near the flak! :P It won't hurt other ships, though. ;)
- If you get the expansion, don't be afraid of using torpedoes. A well aimed/timed volley can do massive damage. Good for use against ships that are coming right at you or away from you. They are unguided so they don't handle ships that are turning or gaining height rapidly.
- Generally, focus fire is great for taking out a single target. But, don't be afraid _not_ to use it! Your ships will know who to shoot at. ;) Focus fire increases the hit rate on one target while lowering it for others. _All_ of your guns will still shoot at whatever they want to, but will do more damage to the target that is being focused on.
- Believe it or not, I used Manticore corvettes even late in the game! 1 per fleet. They make great scouts and it's fun to throw a nuke on one, zoom in close early in the fight and blast one of their biggest ships out of the stars (usually). Just keep a steady hand on the stick and stay cool and you just might make it back behind the protection of the rest of your fleet. ;) :P But, hey, if that one tiny ship takes out a big one all by itself, all the better! And their pretty good DRADIS scanner range makes them ideal for scouts. Once you can see the enemy ships, your big slow ships can start shooting them with missiles. :)
OK. Didn't mean to bang out that much text. There's more than enough to get your started, but you'll figure it out as you go. It will click at some point. And you'll make up your own strategy to fit your playstyle! :)
After reading the quote at the start I can't get the image of a captain saying "Screw it, nuke the bastards, I'm getting sick of this," out of my head. I'm not the only one, surely?
BTW, I don't get why some would *not* use nukes in space combat all the time.
Imperative Games radiation and particles moving at incredibly high speeds in all directions
Hi There Yes, and we are talking about thousands of kilometers in distance between them. It'll be usual solar radiation by the time it reaches ship which fired nuclear rocket.
@@ImperativeGames if memory serves me the in universe explanation is that there was a nuclear disarmament treaty to prevent apocalypse level orbital bombardment in the event of a war
@@ImperativeGames Nuke is rather expensive and delicate piece of equipment. Yeeting object at target as kinetic kill vehicle can be much more cost effective.
Older vessels: "we can't get hacked if we don't have any advanced technology!"
What a beautiful ship though. For anyone wondering, the music used was the 'Colonial Theme' (personally, I think it should be called 'pride of the colonies' but whatever).
For context: the Janus is three times longer than a real life Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. Given this ship’s fearsome armament, that’s a terrifying thought.
Cailus Griffin p-lease, the autumn class heavy cruiser is far larger.
it's Halcyon class the Marathon class replace it but was thrown away as it just wasn't durable enough and the upgraded Halcyon class surpassed them in every way. but they where around the same size as both where around 1 km long (the Halcyon is 1.2 km ) the later Autumn class ( 1.4 km) was based on the Halcyon upgrades which where still smaller then most of the large Battlestars
UNSC cruisers started with the Halcyon class, which was old, but insanely durable. Next came the Marathon class, which served for a while, but was discontinued after reverse-engineered covenant and forerunner tech rendered it obsolete. The autumn class is the most recent, based off of the pillar of autumn refit, but with a few upgrades of its own, such as shields, enhanced sensors and comms arrays, and more powerful reactors.
Long story short, any of these 3 would destroy the Janus in a 1v1.
to be fair a third of the ships length is dedicated to propulsion.
Kazmark_gl Most human ships in fiction be like
Turn decks 90 degrees and get MCRN Donnager.
Yeah that had occurred to me lol. :)
@@Spacedock and its also run by pure middlefinger xD
But *BIGGER*
I love the design of this ship, I dunno why but it reminds me of the donnager from the expanse, and it’s pretty bsg in design too
Probably due to it 4 seperated engines and the head have the top big stretch out part and the smaller prow
I'm assuming that this ship is even older than the Artemis. Yet somehow it looks "Newer" I always had the impression that the Artemis was the oldest Available Battlestar in the Fleet. This Janus class does somewhat resemble the Ranger class from the Fan-Site that introduced the Defender class Battlestar.
That opening quote though...
‘Well...I’m bored. Chuck a nuke out there so we can go home.’
One of my favorite Battlestar support ships. I've dropped rangers out of my fleets in favor of this ship often.
Although they are very similar, I feel the Ranger and the Janus are quite different tactically. Like he said in the video a Janus is meant to park in one place and slug it out, whereas a Ranger is (in my mind at least) closer to a skirmish torpedo boat. Janus work well with slow, bulky Jupiters, but Rangers pair better with faster ships like an Artemis or Minerva. My 2p.
The Janus is great if you play it right, the long reload time is the worst part.
Man, imagine if the Colonials had a few of these in the show. Cylons couldn't touch 'em then.
Yeah, imagine what if they had 5 of them! Lee Adama could have destroyed 5 Cylon ships more!
Imperative Games or he’d just break them, just like the stealth viper, pegasus, and numerous other stuff.
@@ImperativeGames im pretty sure that this Ship class is just to dense to notice and just plows through a Basestar like its nothing...okay maybe its platings gets some scratches
@@Knuspermonster "did we hit something?"
"I'm not sure, but let's go back around to make sure"
We need a series set around the 1st cyclon war with ships like this. Whats better than one Battlestar in action? A whole bunch of em along with cruisers, destroyers and corvettes going toe to toe with the bucketheads.
You know, it'd be very interesting to see a series based around the unification war and/or the first Cylon war...
#NetflixPlease
They try that would Blood and Chrome but when it was shown on TV it did not get good ratings which makes sense since everyone watches it on RUclips.
There was also Caprica, which showed us the origins of the Cylons and what life was like in the Colonies before the unification
weldonwin I can see why people didn't like Caprica, it was quite lore breaking. Still they had some great ideas there
Someone said this in the comments on another video:
The ultimate "have nukes, will travel" escorts for the Daidalos shipyard.
Can carry 3 nukes, and since it is in the fleet for Daidalos, zero replenishment cost.
Since I typically have two cruisers in a fleet, that's six nukes right there - which cost nothing to restock afterwards.
That is a *stupid* amount of firepower - and I love it. Don't screw with our shipyard/command center.
Every time you say First Cylon War you make me think of a Mod for Star Wars: Empire At War: Forces of Corruption. The mod is called "Battlestar Galactica: War of the Colonies". The mod's creators made up a storyline of what if Caprica Six had defected to the Colonies before the Attack that is seen in the Miniseries, and warns them and even helps them defend against the Comprimised CNP program, thus forcing a traditional war.
That seems like an awesome alt history! A full scale second cylon war would be awesome!
Why the frak did I not know about this
Jaron Ehlers given what we see of the Cylon fleet during that period of time, the colonials would’ve curb stomped them in a head to head fight
@@MarionetteDuAuguste the cylons basically built their fleet to glass the colonies not fight a war.
If they knew a real fight was coming they might have built real warships and had more of a fight
Joesolo13 I am aware of this
Found time for a study beak to watch this, loved it
I wish that they had one of those in the BSG Series in the Refugee Fleet
Komagaming They did have the defender, which was kinda the successor to the jannus
Exposed pipe, terribly cramped crew quarters, and poor temperature control. So, it would be similar to being stationed on a Nimitz-class carrier.
+Daniel Dunlap or an Orion class Pocket Battlestar AKA Flying class Assault Ship
I was thinking of a ww2 submarine
@Matthew Caughey Never deployed off of her. Only the Kitty Hawk and Nimitz.
@Matthew Caughey never served on it. My only underways were bored the USS Kitty hawk and Nimitz
The Yanus Class Heavy Cruiser is an awesome Colonial Ship !
She's a very colonial design: brute force and inelegant, yet highly effective. Redundant components and durability make up for the lack of sophistication.
Effectiveness is its own kind of elegance.
theuncalledfor ah yes, while the cylons are as direct as a boomerang, the colonials are as elegant as a Hammer
@@MarionetteDuAuguste I'd say the colonials are more falchion than hammer
I wish we could get this music during fights. I love that you can hear bits of the BSG TOS theme in it.
Alright, after viewing a bunch of these BSG Deadlock vids, I'm officially adding the game to my wishlist.
Love this one playing campaign. Oh you wanted missiles? I got ya missiles right here.
I need to play this. The game and your videos are outstanding.
Kick Ass Episode SpaceDock !
Another fantastic episode! Please keep them coming!
The design reminds of the MCRN Donnager.
Theres something older and more stoic to her. In the age of battlestars, of valient and dareing pilots and Courageous Carrier groups. There, in the background, skulking in the flanks, is the Janus, ready to remind the Toasters why Humans are better at void combat...
Because the Janus? Shes a 3 mile long, nuclear armed ballistic sledehammer.
Just asking could you maybe a few videos on the Vong and there tech or maybe more with the Chiss
Space Above and Beyond Hammerhead Star Fighter Would be great to see. It has a really cool look
Any chance of that extended episode on the Lantian Atlantis class class city ships that you mentioned in the comments way back on the City ship episode?
Would be awesome to get the full scope of the ship/city.
Outro music is Skirmish 3
Any plans for Adamant class frigate rundown? - in the game this vessel proved to be universal, cost-effective and way more usefull then most of the battlestars including Artemis and Jupiter class.
Frodo Dark got a lot of love for the adamant, they really punch above their weight
How does this vessel compare to a Minotaur?
Is there a site that shows the comparative values of all these vessels?
A bit late but..
Just open two tabs or remember
Even later, but...
The Minotaur is an absolute beast with how many guns it's got, but can be something of a glass cannon if unsupported. The Janus is more dependent on its missiles (which is a good thing, because it's about as fast as continental drift) but will tank just about anything.
If you can get the Janus into gun range, it's pretty dangerous. Unfortunately, that's the Janus' biggest drawback: as well as being outpaced by a particularly ambitious tortoise, her fire control is pretty short-ranged.
But, given the Janus costs about the same in fleet points as a Ranger or Minotaur, you could definitely do worse than putting one or two in a battlestar group. I tend to keep them with my Artemis', load one munition slot with PCMs, and just go toe-to-toe with any Cylon ships that get close. Against a full missile barrage, half-dozen heavy turrets, and a Battlestar's main battery, Cylons do not last long.
This is just the kind of ship I love, a Broadside for broadside brusier
weldonwin That's what the minotaur is for. This old girl is more of a jousting knight
The prow swivel guns need to be offset so when they fire port and starboard one isn't blocked by the other.
Prow on is a very narrow target profile though. It seems like their heaviest guns are always mounted on the prow.
The Janus looking almost like the Donager-class makes me want to see a Versus between said Donager-class and a Battlestar.
Na, I think it is a bit unfair. The Janus is twice as long, has more armor and more weapons. Also it has artifical gravity. But it would be fun to see
Its kind of weird, but the Janus actually has a kind of anemic gun complement compared to most ships. Its one optimal angle where all guns can fire is to the lower front, there its 2 heavy guns and 3 medium guns. For reference, a Berzerker gets 5 medium guns on each broadside while being much lighter and smaller, and almost a pure carrier. The Ranger for example, the other "missile boat" is also much smaller and lighter, even gets better missile slots (2 instead of 3, but they reload faster so overall DPS is higher), yet its almost covered in guns. 2 heavy turrets on the front, then 4 mediums each side and two more mediums on the underside.
And dont get me started on actual gunships or Battlestars. Janus is really just a durable as fuck brick with lots of missiles.
They ever explain how big the colonies territory was? I always thought it was just a single system but now I’m wondering...
The 12 colonies span 4 star systems, all within a single star cluster.
en.battlestarwikiclone.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Colonies_of_Kobol
Kirk Jacobson Wow thank you man, that link answered a lot of questions I had rattling around in my head since I saw BSG that Caperica just didn’t answer due to its burn off cancelation. Considering they come up with video games from time to time for BSG, I wonder if they will ever make another show, another prequel that isn’t like
Caperica would be nice, maybe “Kobol”.
+Broken Eyes A series about Kobol would be pretty interesting and awesome !
Corey Donaldson yeah it would help answer a lot of questions, like was the resurrection technology only used by the 13th tribe or by all of humanity. Were the lords of kobol immortal humans? What led to the division between the 12 and 13th tribe? These are answers we need to know! Just without thr a sty teenage mellow drama that was Caperica...
yeah after all we already know what their time on earth came to just look up terminator
I love me an oldie but goody.
Having no auxiliary craft seems like quite the oversight. How you going to land those marines or exchange personnel with another craft?
May not have been as quick or maneuverable as the Ranger, but I used it extensively in the final missions of Deadlock. 1 Jupiter, 2 Minervas, and 2 Janus backed up by Daedalus. Equip all of the Janus's missile slots with Nukes and destroy capital ships quickly after using the Jupiter's Raptor as a recon platform. Would assign the Daedalos fighter wings as defensive escorts. In the final mission, my Janus' annihilated the majority of Cylon base ships allowing for my Battlestars to move into gun range and annihilate Avalon.
The Jupiter Battlestar really was a step "Backward" and was clearly intended to be a Hybrid of the Artemis and the Janus. The Artemis is more "Advanced" Than the Jupiter in terms of Technology (But the Artemis is generally weaker and has inferior Armament. And any technological advantage was lost when Networked technology was abandoned making the Jupiter ultimately superior) The Mercury class would bring back several elements of the Artemis design not only in structure but in its computer technology as well.
I love these. Stick 6 of them to deidalus and have 18 nukes which you get for free. Use those 2 Viper squadrons from deidalus to get IFF Marks and then nuke them from orbit. 😈
The top down looks better than the side view.
Just imagine how much better humanity would have done if they'd had a museum fleet with Galactica composed of mothballed ships from the first Cylon War
Hey what about Ranger class cruiser
I bet a group of these bad boys and a few minotuars and maybe a few rangers and a Battlestar can do alot of damage
My favorite fleet composition includes 2 of these, a battlestar, 2 minotaurs, and 2 adamants.
And yes I can confirm cylons don't last too long against them
can you do a review of the the glorious heritage class heavy cruser from gene rodenberry's brilliant Andromeda Acendent
i've used these a few times in lieu of ranger missle cruisers... on 3 consecutive missions/ambush bouts I noticed a pattern by the cylons...several salvos of missles via nemesis/phobos shot simultaneous at my janus! had to 'borrow' a viper squadron to defend my janus since it was the slowest and least manueverable ship in that fleet; that same pattern is now played out against my manticores...frakkin annoying!
Keith Reh that's one of the reasons why I keep a couple of adamants on hand
It really looks like a Halo Thanatos class destroyer
Don't you mean Halberd-class? I'm pretty sure the Thanatos-class only exists in fanfiction, a link would be appreciated.
Would you be able to do a video on the Zakuul Dropship from swtor please
Can we see the adamant class next please?
Remind me of the halberd class destroyer
I don't have Deadlock, so perhaps this is a mistake on their part, but it's not "Yanus". It's clearly based on the two-faced god of doorways, beginnings and endings in the Greek pantheon, and in english at least, his name is pronounced "Janus", hard J.
Please do a video the Battlestar Pegasus
I love the new Battlestar Galactica Ship but your should Loki Type Heavy cruiser and Defender type or Catamaran type Escorts cruiser
Still wish they had used more pre-existing (Blood and Chrome) Ships for this game.
Blood and Chrome is about 3 to 5 years after this game so odds are the classes are not built yet or design.
I highly doubt that the WHOLE (except Jupiters) lineup of ships changed. Just put 1 or 2 Blood and Chrome designs in there and it looks more consistend.
@@scelonferdi Way I see it is that Blood and Chrome was an in universe movie set during the first cylon war and because they didn't have many first cylon war ships in working order they just used modern ships as stand ins hoping no one would notice (Our own hollywood did a lot of this in the 70's and 80's when making war movies)
@@firestorm165 Okay, but didn't most of these designs originate from blood and chrome? why shouldn't they be considered first war designs? THe movie came long before the game (but is also set much later in the conflict).
@@scelonferdi oh my apologies I was under the impression that you were talking about all the valkyrie battlestars in the background
more shout outs for the Shivan Lucifer from free space!
Every Great Leap Forward needs running jump.
Have you ever considered any of the ships that have appeared in the Transformers franchise? I'm sure there's not quite as much to go on since the series doesn't focus on the ships, but are there any that have caught your eye at least?
Also, great video as usual. I never fully watched the BG series but this was still pretty cool to know.
Hey, I was wondering if you could cover any ship from the Starcraft franchise
Twin torpedos and ECMs only please. Maximum power to weapons and say goodbye to Revenants, Arachnes, Talons and you’ll beat the stuffing out of basestars with a twin Janus alpha-strike.
Love the music featured in these episodes! Does anyone happen to know where one can watch the battlestar galactica shows? It's one of the cult classics ive yet to watch.
Mr BigCookie on hulu atm
Amazon Prime has at least the reimagined series (sadly none of the spin off content like Razor or Blood and Chrome)
Whats a good way to watch battlestar galatica
Hey spacedock could you talk about poor design choice of republic capital ships in swtor.
Jerry Blizzard there are some really really dumb designs there... which were you thinking of?
l0rf The valor class cruiser. It's a city in a bowl mounted on top of an engine pylon. If you want to cripple it just concentrate fire below the hull.
Was thinking of that same ship. It's nicely open to throw photon torpedoes into the superstructure and easily crippled with sustained fire to the very exposed engine. At least in The Old Republic online.
I want a Grażyna to this Janusz!
i just wish we could have access to all those other ships on bsg deadlock, sad :('
The twelve colonies of kobol the only people who consider yeeting metal in excessive amounts as a military strategy
Johnson Delvetto I dunno the Ruthari love their railguns. Granted their projectiles consist of a container of superheated ionized plasma sandwiched between two super dense metallic slugs but still
Why aren't there any Battlestar Galactica space Sims? Who wouldn't want to play as a hero Viper pilot, or Janus captain??
There was a space fighter game on the PS2 I think, which was based on the original BSG and there is Beyond The Red Line, which is a mod for Freespace 2
Sounds much like the Defiant class of Star trek.
I like the vid. Unfortunate, now that I've use the ship in the game, I don't like it much at all.
My main tactic while playing BSG Deadlock is to form a wall of battle. Namely stacking ships vertically and horizontally. This takes advantage of battlestar's ability to defend them selves (and ships behind them) from incoming ordinance and pump out staggering amounts of fire. While other ships support 'ships of the wall' with missile barrages, additional fighters, etc.
The Janus, can't do this. The ordinance is fine, but it has a slower firing rate compared to the Ranger CG. Also the Janus is slow, with limited firing arcs.
Now the video did give me the idea of using the Janus as a mine layer, which I think I'll try (dropping a wall of EMP or proximity mines along the Cylon line of advance). But you might be able to do that with supporting Adamants.
Mines are an interesting add on to the game that I have used in the early game. Not so much later as the flight deck space is available to have a Raptor flight buzzing around disarming them.
D Young I always have at least one of these (preferably two) above and behind my main force in case a revenant class shows its face.
I hate it when sci fi shows/games/books call ships heavy cruisers. There is really no such thing. "Heavy cruisers" were a figment of the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty, which imposed limits on ship tonnage in the fleets of signatory navies. The Royal Navy needed a whole bunch of commerce protection cruisers for their empire while the US and Japan wanted fewer but more heavily armed cruisers. Britain did not want their fleet made obsolete by these larger and better armed potential adversaries. To settle the issue, a distinction was made between the 8" gun armed cruisers and 6" and smaller gunned types. Thus "heavy" and "light,"
The whole thing really only played out in the interwar period and the categories really ceased to have any meaning. Thus it is silly for sci-fi franchises to draw on this outmoded term. Guess it sounds cool.
Are you kidding? Just put some highly skilled computer system passers and a few AA guns on those and they can stand defiantly longer they should like flying middle fingers in space.
Could you do Some strategy videos on this game? I just picked it up on the holiday sale and im gitting my ass kicked by the toasters.
Specter5053 I was having the same trouble. Then on a hunch I tried out some Napoleonic naval tactics and started kicking toasters all over the place.
In fact they worked so well I was astounded. Try some out for yourself. I recommend approaching the enemy in the line abreast formation with your units with forward facing guns in the center and have your adamants on the wings and then transition into line astern when you reach weapons range
@@firestorm165 correct, with a couple of layers too.
@@darrenlaker3204 you mean like having your Janus cruisers overhead and behind your main line raining hell down on strategic targets? Hell yes
@@firestorm165 yep, if they're all firing at your flak wall and Artemis
First after spacedock
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The colonials had some very impressive ships during this time.
I don't think he's pronouncing "Janus" correctly. It should be:
Jan (as in January) - us (as in anus)
No. It's a Greek name.
It's named after the god Janus, so should be pronounced Janus not Yannus
Definitely my favourite colonial vessel...sorry Battlestars. Something about her being a tough old girl.
Janus is too slow, and is sorely lacking in guns. 3 missile tubes are nice, but I'd prefer a variant with more guns...especially on top. I tend not to use them in my Deadlock battles. As far as looks go I think it's one of the coolest non battlestar designs.
Exposed pipeworks, cramped crew quarters, and poor environmental controls? So just like a modern warship then
It's Portuguese, the J is silent.
Actually its Latin. And is a name of a roman god which fits with the whole greak/roman theology that the colonials had. He is the god of beginnings, gates, transitions, time, duality, doorways, passages, and endings.
J is silent in Spanish not Portuguese, Also German and Norwegian I believe
I wish they would purge the actual TV show from canon. Just declare that it never happened. Any of it. Ever. And then made a new show that doesn't have such a fucking retarded ending, and that actually has likable characters. I really like the technology of this setting and the way the battles were animated, but the characters and overall story were grating and awful. Everyone was stupid assholes. And the "plan" was made up as they went along. Fucking dreadful.