Despite it's inaccuracies I must say that after watching the film he really did become my favourite dinosaur in the franchise, mainly because his behavior was so animalistic and honestly quite innocent. Making his death that more tragic and unnecessary. Also I am a huge fan of Acrocanthosaurus, so him looking very similar to one kind of makes me love him even more. Great vid btw.
The Dominion Giga makes me mad... It's just a quintupling down on the "World" trend of anthropomorphising the dinosaurs and moving further away from what made the first two "Park" films so great with the depictions of the animals. Dinosaurs weren't villainous or heroic, they were just animals. And before anyone mentions the raptors from JP1 and 2 being the villains; Those creatures were specifically designed in the book to be a mystery. Grant's interaction with the baby raptor in the book is more one of confusion over what species it actually is, that maybe it's not really velociraptor. The movies didn't have this, I guess to make the tension build easier to understand.
@@IndigoProphecy They were based on Deinonychus but Chrichton recognized that Velociraptor was a more iconic name. The main reason the raptors in the books are the way they are is because a big theme of the books is that these dinosaurs aren't 'proper' dinosaurs at all; There is dinosaur DNA in them, yes, but none of them are 100% the dinosaurs they represent. They are new creations made by people playing god.
In my opinion they should have made the giga the hybrid of the movie. It could be part acro and part giga, so they could also have introduced both dinos in a previous movie/series/shortfilm. Also i dont like the jwe giga, simply because of the eyes, they dont seem like a predators, or any animals eyes.
The Jurassic Franchise gets more and more frustrating with each movie. The first movie was super accurate for its time, and as movies went on they stopped trying to be accurate just to be scary, and they fail even at that.
Hey dude, I saw you play ‘Path of Titans’ which is considerably good between dinosaur games but I really recommend you ‘The Isle’. It has two games in it: ‘The Isle Legacy’ which is like ‘Path of Titans’ with a worst map and less dinosaurs but a lot more of realism in every way, and ‘The Isle Evrima’ which is for me the best dinosaur game ever made. It would be so fun to see you playing. Anyways, nice videos, love your content, and… have a nice one!
I actually do play it! Or, did play it anyway. My PC is down as we speak, but when I get it working again I plan on making some form of content on the game!
I have no idea where the “armoured theropod” meme came from and I hate it, especially because it has been used by creationists to argue that all the predatory theropods were actually herbivorous (on the basis predators rarely have elaborate armour schemes….except these theropods didn’t either). The worst part about the JWD Giga is that it doesn’t even have any actual slicing teeth, and it doesn’t have any of the neck adaptations the actual animal had for a sabretooth cat-like, largely neck-driven bite that would kill very quickly (the idea Giganotosaurus hunted by biting prey and then waiting forever for the prey to die is based on false ideas about how predators that bleed out their prey actually hunt and kill). Giganotosaurus actually gets systematically UNDERestimated in just about every bit of media it shows up in because its killing technique is either just plain ignored or badly misconstrued in a way that makes it look “inferior”. The Tyrannosaurus fans clamouring about bite force and making out bite force to be the only thing that can make a bite dangerous doesn’t help.
5:03 JP/W dinosaurs should start off with a naturalistic template and then add some creative liberties. JP1 dinosaurs actually looked good compared to actual 90s designs; actually considered a bit ahead of its time for showing dinosaurs walking with tails as balance, higher metabolisms, the idea that dinosaurs (at least theropods) are more like birds to the masses mainstream. Sure JP1 wasn’t 100% accurate. The raptors for example are actually based on deinonychus, which prior to the novel was considered a velociraptor subspecies. They were too large, but probably inspired by utahraptor. But for the early 90s, they were pretty accurate
They could have just switched giganotosaurus to acrocanthosaurus in the script and i wouldnt notice + kinda funny how the jw giga is more accurate to the one from biosyn (which is a 100% genome)
I always thought that fin on the back was really weird, but the JWE2 one has WAY too big of a head and doesn’t look like a JP dino, Wouldn’t you agree?
In a way sure. Personally, I think it has a healthy mix of basis off of the real animal, while keeping the Jurassic style with a few creative liberties taken here and there. Though, I do understand how it’s very striking compared to other designs
For a model that came out in 2018, it's pretty accurate. The portrait of Giganotosaurus had an update a couple of years ago that changed its proportions a bit, so the JWE model is no longer that accurate in that regard, but otherwise it's quite solid. The JWD model, instead, has always been hardly recognisable as Giganotosaurus. It's very "Jurassic", but not the best possible model.
@@DinoGuy8 Keep in mind we have a much larger sample size for Tyrannosaurus and that the Giga holotype (around 9 tons) is still around the weight of most adult Rex specimens.
@@DinoGuy8 Giganotasaurus had a boxy carnosaur like shull because the back of skucll in the notched triangle type skull is way to longer and thin in generation and the missing skull material is form the middle of the skull not the rear end. Giga was likely at least 12.5-13 meters and at least 8.5-9 metric tons it was a very robust and thickly built animal and its neck and arms was very robust and thickly built with most of the head having some sort ofhead gear so the head vruests are likely. It is my faviote large therapod dinosaur and its really cool.
One thing I'm surprised you didn't bring up regarding Dominion's Giga is the length of its arms. While granted no forelimb material has been recovered from _Giganotosaurus_ itself, based on what we see in relatives like _Acrocanthosaurus_ and _Meraxes_ the arms were most likely proportionally shorter than what we see in the movie design.
I will add that the whole crocodiles don't have/need lips due to them spending most of their lives in a body of water is not exactly true. Some crocodilians can spend a large period of time out of water without any harm to their mouths. I've seen this argument for against lips for therapods, but never received anything else regarding this to be a good argument, plus if it exactly supports the argument for no lips. I’m on the pro-lipless team regarding the lips of large to medium non-abelisaurid theropods. Overall, I agree that there are inaccuracies in JW’s Giganotosaurus. Still, I am skeptical on the recent paper in favor of lips, as it compares dinosaurs to varanid lizards, which is just a callback to retro-thinking that claimed that dinosaurs were “cold-blooded, sluggish lizards,” which isn’t true. In fact, non-avian dinosaurs were more closely related to birds, crocodiles, pterosaurs, and, to some extent, turtles, than they were to lizards and snakes, which belonged to their own group called the Lepidosauria.
Generally speaking, lips are the norm in terrestrial tetrapods. Even if you ignore the semi-aquatic bit. Having exposed teeth is rare. Especially in terrestrial creatures. The closest you get are tusks, and functionally those are different from teeth as they are constantly growing and don’t share the same risk that teeth do. Now, the paper in question points a few factors out. The main thing being the preservation of theropod teeth. Assuming they would have been exposed (and assuming drying out is not an issue) then you would see a LOT of damage caused by constant exposure to the elements of the environment. Because that was not found, and instead a well preserved tooth was observed at a microscopic level, then the conclusion of oral tissue can be drawn. Now, of course another way to reach a conclusion is by looking at the closest relatives of non avian dinosaurs. And that’s, of course, archosaurs. Given dinosaurs belonged to that group. The only archosaurs that live today, are birds (which are also dinosaurs) and Crocodilians. A comparison can’t be drawn to birds on account of them not possessing teeth, and therefore wouldn’t even have oral tissue. And Crocodilians are tricky because they are an oddity in the reptile world, having exposed teeth that is basically an adaption brought on by a few different reasons. 1) they rely on their environment in order to preserve the teeth. (I note you saying they can go an extended period of time, but that’s null as they do eventually return to the water, for that’s what they’re adapted for and where they conduct the majority of their hunts.) and 2) the teeth are formed in such a way to be interlocking and allow them to better grasp prey in their ambush style of predation. Most theropod dinosaurs would not have been like this. And so, you need to look at other reptiles. For dinosaurs are still reptiles. And as fate would have it, lips are the norm. Also there are attainment points, and the jaws possess a series of openings for blood vessels to reach the lips. It’s a very silly debate, and one I wish could be put to rest. But at the end of the day, lips make sense.
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"We need to make it look evil. Sharp and spikey."
The only evil i see is that they removed the gigachad chin
Despite it's inaccuracies I must say that after watching the film he really did become my favourite dinosaur in the franchise, mainly because his behavior was so animalistic and honestly quite innocent. Making his death that more tragic and unnecessary.
Also I am a huge fan of Acrocanthosaurus, so him looking very similar to one kind of makes me love him even more.
Great vid btw.
Honestly the Jurassic world Giganotosaurus looks like it's starving to death
The Dominion Giga makes me mad... It's just a quintupling down on the "World" trend of anthropomorphising the dinosaurs and moving further away from what made the first two "Park" films so great with the depictions of the animals. Dinosaurs weren't villainous or heroic, they were just animals.
And before anyone mentions the raptors from JP1 and 2 being the villains; Those creatures were specifically designed in the book to be a mystery. Grant's interaction with the baby raptor in the book is more one of confusion over what species it actually is, that maybe it's not really velociraptor. The movies didn't have this, I guess to make the tension build easier to understand.
I mean they were modeled after utahraptors but name isn't as catchy.
@@IndigoProphecy utahraptor was found after the movie
@@IndigoProphecy the book Michael Crichton used as a source listed deinonychus as a species of velociraptor, thats why I beleive
@@IndigoProphecy They were based on Deinonychus but Chrichton recognized that Velociraptor was a more iconic name. The main reason the raptors in the books are the way they are is because a big theme of the books is that these dinosaurs aren't 'proper' dinosaurs at all; There is dinosaur DNA in them, yes, but none of them are 100% the dinosaurs they represent. They are new creations made by people playing god.
In my opinion they should have made the giga the hybrid of the movie. It could be part acro and part giga, so they could also have introduced both dinos in a previous movie/series/shortfilm. Also i dont like the jwe giga, simply because of the eyes, they dont seem like a predators, or any animals eyes.
But Jurassic world dominion has no hybrid dinosaurs
@@Arsa-nd7oh7qk7v exactly. They should have made it the hybrid
More like part Concavenator.
The Jurassic Franchise gets more and more frustrating with each movie. The first movie was super accurate for its time, and as movies went on they stopped trying to be accurate just to be scary, and they fail even at that.
Do the Jurassic franchise Allosaurus vs Accurate Allosaurus, and Jurassic franchise Iguanadon vs Accurate Iguanadon.
Hey dude, I saw you play ‘Path of Titans’ which is considerably good between dinosaur games but I really recommend you ‘The Isle’. It has two games in it: ‘The Isle Legacy’ which is like ‘Path of Titans’ with a worst map and less dinosaurs but a lot more of realism in every way, and ‘The Isle Evrima’ which is for me the best dinosaur game ever made. It would be so fun to see you playing. Anyways, nice videos, love your content, and… have a nice one!
I actually do play it! Or, did play it anyway. My PC is down as we speak, but when I get it working again I plan on making some form of content on the game!
@@DinoGuy8 sounds good!
I have no idea where the “armoured theropod” meme came from and I hate it, especially because it has been used by creationists to argue that all the predatory theropods were actually herbivorous (on the basis predators rarely have elaborate armour schemes….except these theropods didn’t either).
The worst part about the JWD Giga is that it doesn’t even have any actual slicing teeth, and it doesn’t have any of the neck adaptations the actual animal had for a sabretooth cat-like, largely neck-driven bite that would kill very quickly (the idea Giganotosaurus hunted by biting prey and then waiting forever for the prey to die is based on false ideas about how predators that bleed out their prey actually hunt and kill).
Giganotosaurus actually gets systematically UNDERestimated in just about every bit of media it shows up in because its killing technique is either just plain ignored or badly misconstrued in a way that makes it look “inferior”. The Tyrannosaurus fans clamouring about bite force and making out bite force to be the only thing that can make a bite dangerous doesn’t help.
5:03 JP/W dinosaurs should start off with a naturalistic template and then add some creative liberties. JP1 dinosaurs actually looked good compared to actual 90s designs; actually considered a bit ahead of its time for showing dinosaurs walking with tails as balance, higher metabolisms, the idea that dinosaurs (at least theropods) are more like birds to the masses mainstream.
Sure JP1 wasn’t 100% accurate. The raptors for example are actually based on deinonychus, which prior to the novel was considered a velociraptor subspecies. They were too large, but probably inspired by utahraptor. But for the early 90s, they were pretty accurate
Absolutely agree. It’s one of the most admirable things about the original that I wish was considered in newer installments. In some way or another.
Utharaptor was discovered while jurassic park was being made.
I love your videos, I’ve learned so much!
They could have just switched giganotosaurus to acrocanthosaurus in the script and i wouldnt notice
+ kinda funny how the jw giga is more accurate to the one from biosyn (which is a 100% genome)
I always thought that fin on the back was really weird, but the JWE2 one has WAY too big of a head and doesn’t look like a JP dino, Wouldn’t you agree?
In a way sure. Personally, I think it has a healthy mix of basis off of the real animal, while keeping the Jurassic style with a few creative liberties taken here and there. Though, I do understand how it’s very striking compared to other designs
For a model that came out in 2018, it's pretty accurate. The portrait of Giganotosaurus had an update a couple of years ago that changed its proportions a bit, so the JWE model is no longer that accurate in that regard, but otherwise it's quite solid.
The JWD model, instead, has always been hardly recognisable as Giganotosaurus. It's very "Jurassic", but not the best possible model.
I don’t know, the eyes, the head, it feels like a nature documentary model personally
I wouldn’t recognise it as a Jurassic park dino
The Evolution Giga looks cute lmao, has those goofy eyes
There was the Jurassic park warpath giga too
I think you mentioned this in another of your videos, but Giganotosaurus was probably NOT bigger than the Tyrannosaurus, but longer.
Yes indeed. Honestly given from most Tyrannosaur weight estimations, it seems incredibly likely that Rex was the bigger animal.
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Keep in mind we have a much larger sample size for Tyrannosaurus and that the Giga holotype (around 9 tons) is still around the weight of most adult Rex specimens.
@@DinoGuy8 Giganotasaurus had a boxy carnosaur like shull because the back of skucll in the notched triangle type skull is way to longer and thin in generation and the missing skull material is form the middle of the skull not the rear end. Giga was likely at least 12.5-13 meters and at least 8.5-9 metric tons it was a very robust and thickly built animal and its neck and arms was very robust and thickly built with most of the head having some sort ofhead gear so the head vruests are likely. It is my faviote large therapod dinosaur and its really cool.
Can u do a video on the weird relationship betweem spinosaurus and sigilmassasaurus
The JW GUY Giganotosaurus looks a bit like Acrocanthosaurus.
dino guy is so handsome
Have u seen the “ this orange is ginamosars”
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One thing I'm surprised you didn't bring up regarding Dominion's Giga is the length of its arms. While granted no forelimb material has been recovered from _Giganotosaurus_ itself, based on what we see in relatives like _Acrocanthosaurus_ and _Meraxes_ the arms were most likely proportionally shorter than what we see in the movie design.
do trex
This design for the Giga looks so ugly. It would've been cool if it resembled something like Todd Marshal's giganotosaurus.
Well, until we find a mummy we will know the truth, if it had lips or not
Ur accurate Giganotosaurus & it's stats looks inaccurate
How so?
I will add that the whole crocodiles don't have/need lips due to them spending most of their lives in a body of water is not exactly true. Some crocodilians can spend a large period of time out of water without any harm to their mouths. I've seen this argument for against lips for therapods, but never received anything else regarding this to be a good argument, plus if it exactly supports the argument for no lips. I’m on the pro-lipless team regarding the lips of large to medium non-abelisaurid theropods. Overall, I agree that there are inaccuracies in JW’s Giganotosaurus. Still, I am skeptical on the recent paper in favor of lips, as it compares dinosaurs to varanid lizards, which is just a callback to retro-thinking that claimed that dinosaurs were “cold-blooded, sluggish lizards,” which isn’t true. In fact, non-avian dinosaurs were more closely related to birds, crocodiles, pterosaurs, and, to some extent, turtles, than they were to lizards and snakes, which belonged to their own group called the Lepidosauria.
Generally speaking, lips are the norm in terrestrial tetrapods. Even if you ignore the semi-aquatic bit. Having exposed teeth is rare. Especially in terrestrial creatures. The closest you get are tusks, and functionally those are different from teeth as they are constantly growing and don’t share the same risk that teeth do. Now, the paper in question points a few factors out. The main thing being the preservation of theropod teeth. Assuming they would have been exposed (and assuming drying out is not an issue) then you would see a LOT of damage caused by constant exposure to the elements of the environment. Because that was not found, and instead a well preserved tooth was observed at a microscopic level, then the conclusion of oral tissue can be drawn.
Now, of course another way to reach a conclusion is by looking at the closest relatives of non avian dinosaurs. And that’s, of course, archosaurs. Given dinosaurs belonged to that group. The only archosaurs that live today, are birds (which are also dinosaurs) and Crocodilians. A comparison can’t be drawn to birds on account of them not possessing teeth, and therefore wouldn’t even have oral tissue. And Crocodilians are tricky because they are an oddity in the reptile world, having exposed teeth that is basically an adaption brought on by a few different reasons. 1) they rely on their environment in order to preserve the teeth. (I note you saying they can go an extended period of time, but that’s null as they do eventually return to the water, for that’s what they’re adapted for and where they conduct the majority of their hunts.) and 2) the teeth are formed in such a way to be interlocking and allow them to better grasp prey in their ambush style of predation.
Most theropod dinosaurs would not have been like this. And so, you need to look at other reptiles. For dinosaurs are still reptiles. And as fate would have it, lips are the norm.
Also there are attainment points, and the jaws possess a series of openings for blood vessels to reach the lips.
It’s a very silly debate, and one I wish could be put to rest. But at the end of the day, lips make sense.