The issue with this build is that Water Spout as a move just sucks so much. Not enough range to poke, not enough damage to threaten, not enough slowing power to work as a control move, and not large enough of an AOE to hit multiple people
I wish this moveset is good but the devs nerfed Water Spout damage. Since then, it’s not a good moveset even when I tried so hard to win even after the buffs. When will they notice this before Water Spout ends up being irrelevant?
Tbf we all were tilted with how op was blastoise was before those nerfs and we complained so much during that time bcoz it was dodging nerfs or the nerfs were not "enough". And this is the result of it now. And blastoise having more damage would actually be super annoying. They can give it a lolipop dmg buff but anything more than that would get heavy backlash soon enough especially bcoz of the trios that will use it.
yeah they only buffed defenses and some cd which i agree with water pulse end up being incredible toxic when you used to be able to just eject on an attacker and 100-to zero them with one spin with very little counter play now
Damn, I was there for this run! Watching the Greninja throw for Regirock live was terrible. Watching it AGAIN in a replay makes me want to throw The fact Rapid Spin couldn't even KO GLACEON is criminal
They keep buffing the defenses of Rapid Spin, but I always feel like Blastoise dies at roughly the same rate while spinning anyway. So unless they’re gonna add an effect that actually helps this moveset, they just need to give its damage back
Idk I did feel that I was able to survive longer in spin. Also it's good against darkrai as you can't sleep. Tho the damage is really lacking but maybe going full damage can make it not an excellent but still a decent choice against some meta picks rn.
@trainerghost9294 I was thinking maybe they somehow change the terrain for the map, similar to the dragons in league. Maybe even before ray spawns like at the 3 min mark groudon or kyogre spawns. ( kyogre adds more tall grass? Groudon maybe removes certain terrain to open the map?)Something cool like that would be nice to see to add some freshness to the game
@@JoyBoy-s9v That opens my mind to that final timer. It can still be a common map (i.e. Theia Sky Ruins) but the timer shifts the battlefield as the final boss is decided
Blastoise could do with a rework like Sylveon or Duraludon. If they took inspiration from Water Spout in the main series, it should have damage potential that fades during battle. They could reverse Blastoise's passive Torrent to increase Sp. Attack while ABOVE half health and adjust the Water Spout damage to be threatening when Blastoise can preserve its health. But if the opponent can lower Blastoise's health to below half quickly, it becomes non threatening. The hard part would be balancing the CC build so the passive doesn't make Surf Hydro Pump carry. Perhaps the passive could be more complicated and scale the longer damage output can be sustained Ie. Burst damage from surf and hydro pump wouldn't get the full effect, but 5 secs worth of rapid spin damage could add up to maximum Sp. Attack scaling.
This build just doesn’t do damage anymore - they gutted water spout so hard back then and it’s never bounced back, plus lack of sustain just means you die so easily against groups of enemies and in solo queue, chances are you’re not gonna have a team to support you
There need to be at least three squishies on enemy team in order for this moveset to work. Otherwise you should always pick surf+hydro pump if you want to do well.
Sounds reasonable if only that would apply to other moves that are similar to that like a completely invincible move capable of one shooting u (mimikyu).
Yeah dudes, timis buffing defence and sp. def but i mean that's not a problem. This moveset is supposed to do damage, so they need to buff water spout's damage, otherwise it's still be trash
Water Spout is just trash. Hydro with Spin is fine and the CDR for Hydro generally removes the need for Scarf now, meaning you can still run Focus or Guard now
I think if you playing against 4 squishy like espeon delphox and other shit, amd your team has not so much dps, you can chose spin over surf.. but even surf and hydro pump can kill squishy mon..
They never should've had nerfed rapid spin's damage, they literally only nerfed it because of the other build that was very popular at the time and thought "we should nerf everything about blastoise, even if it doesn't make sense" If they un-nerf it's damage then we would be talking
They nerfed spout the hardest out of all stoise moves when it was by far the worst move at the time already. No amount of buffs to rapid spin will fix this build, spout is the issue. Hydro pump spin does more damage, so why ever play spout when it even gimps your laning phase completely
Spout by itself sucks, you have no actual sustain so you have to play with a healer, it does 0 damage and you need lvl 13. Moveset is so bad, they just need to buff rhe damage or buff spout or give it sustain
Next video snorlex, just try it cookies, focus, buddy .... Frail and yawn I got 17 KO 300+ score in master, I don't know enemies were too weak or I was good
Hydro pump is just better it stuns and does lethal damage and your truly a bully, thou surf is surf. I recommend pump spin if you want to frag out and boss up on the opposition.
Goes in against 5 enemies and dies without trying to kite at all then complaining the build doesnt do damage lol smh, why not try to not die and play around team more maybe they'll do better with their tank around instead hes dead or farming xp before objectives and instead of defending pads, poor teammates, its ok tho he cant be good at every build and mon in the game 😅
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Buffing rapid spin won't do shit if water spout still does piss damage
The issue with this build is that Water Spout as a move just sucks so much. Not enough range to poke, not enough damage to threaten, not enough slowing power to work as a control move, and not large enough of an AOE to hit multiple people
I wish this moveset is good but the devs nerfed Water Spout damage. Since then, it’s not a good moveset even when I tried so hard to win even after the buffs. When will they notice this before Water Spout ends up being irrelevant?
So u playing soloq?
@@soumyas5576Yes
Tbf we all were tilted with how op was blastoise was before those nerfs and we complained so much during that time bcoz it was dodging nerfs or the nerfs were not "enough". And this is the result of it now.
And blastoise having more damage would actually be super annoying. They can give it a lolipop dmg buff but anything more than that would get heavy backlash soon enough especially bcoz of the trios that will use it.
Because defenders should do Attacker damage. Just delete Attackers out the game too.
@@eds7343 This moveset isn’t a defender moveset and it is more akin to an All-Rounder.
yeah they only buffed defenses and some cd which i agree with water pulse end up being incredible toxic when you used to be able to just eject on an attacker and 100-to zero them with one spin with very little counter play now
Damn, I was there for this run! Watching the Greninja throw for Regirock live was terrible. Watching it AGAIN in a replay makes me want to throw
The fact Rapid Spin couldn't even KO GLACEON is criminal
1:40 nah bro, you did the same thing in your video with Scizor, you know that he staying in your lane will make the enemy weak for a while.
His hydro pump was good with Rapid spin
Rapid Spin with Hydro pump is probably better. Water spout just doesn’t do damage.
If blastoise learns surf/spin at 5, and the +version at 11,it’ll probably make it better.
They keep buffing the defenses of Rapid Spin, but I always feel like Blastoise dies at roughly the same rate while spinning anyway.
So unless they’re gonna add an effect that actually helps this moveset, they just need to give its damage back
Cause this buff only gave like 30 defense, which is the same as if you just equipped focus.
Been rocking Hydro/Spin since they nerfed rapid spin way back when. Don’t think I can go back to Spout haha
Maybe if they make it so water spout heals you if you hit enemies with it...
No. Just no. Blastoise doesn’t need healing. That would be terrible and painful to play against.
what it lacks is damage not healing😂
Not a bad idea, it could make it more playable. Buffing damage is less incentivised because it's a Defender
@@redbunn2282 it's a defender, it should be tanky, not a damage dealer.
@@Swampy0 true. But I'm a sableye main, I take every chance to torment others.
Unfortunately Water Spout is the worst move ever so if they just make that move decent at least even outside of Rapid Spin it'll feel way better.
Of all the moves buffed that one that pissed me off and can’t make sense of is the one to Surf. Then there’s the unite move.
Idk I did feel that I was able to survive longer in spin. Also it's good against darkrai as you can't sleep. Tho the damage is really lacking but maybe going full damage can make it not an excellent but still a decent choice against some meta picks rn.
I had an epiphany, what if similar to how the Regis work, theres a chance for kyogre or groudon as well as rayquaza to appear on the map at 2 min.
That'd be pretty neat, but how would they be different from ray who gives a big shield, increased score speed, and increased damage?
@trainerghost9294 I was thinking maybe they somehow change the terrain for the map, similar to the dragons in league. Maybe even before ray spawns like at the 3 min mark groudon or kyogre spawns. ( kyogre adds more tall grass? Groudon maybe removes certain terrain to open the map?)Something cool like that would be nice to see to add some freshness to the game
@@JoyBoy-s9v That opens my mind to that final timer. It can still be a common map (i.e. Theia Sky Ruins) but the timer shifts the battlefield as the final boss is decided
I mean, maybe a full offensive build works, like curse incense instead of focus to easier dive goals 🤔
Blastoise could do with a rework like Sylveon or Duraludon. If they took inspiration from Water Spout in the main series, it should have damage potential that fades during battle. They could reverse Blastoise's passive Torrent to increase Sp. Attack while ABOVE half health and adjust the Water Spout damage to be threatening when Blastoise can preserve its health. But if the opponent can lower Blastoise's health to below half quickly, it becomes non threatening. The hard part would be balancing the CC build so the passive doesn't make Surf Hydro Pump carry. Perhaps the passive could be more complicated and scale the longer damage output can be sustained Ie. Burst damage from surf and hydro pump wouldn't get the full effect, but 5 secs worth of rapid spin damage could add up to maximum Sp. Attack scaling.
maybe if they don't want to buff damage, they could increase the area of the move
This build just doesn’t do damage anymore - they gutted water spout so hard back then and it’s never bounced back, plus lack of sustain just means you die so easily against groups of enemies and in solo queue, chances are you’re not gonna have a team to support you
There need to be at least three squishies on enemy team in order for this moveset to work. Otherwise you should always pick surf+hydro pump if you want to do well.
I meaaaan if move grants you CC immunity, damage reduction and deals AoE damage I really dont think it should do TOO much damage
Sounds reasonable if only that would apply to other moves that are similar to that like a completely invincible move capable of one shooting u (mimikyu).
It doesnt give damage reduction it gives defense, which is way worse. And it only does that at lvl 13 as well.
Yeah dudes, timis buffing defence and sp. def but i mean that's not a problem. This moveset is supposed to do damage, so they need to buff water spout's damage, otherwise it's still be trash
try hydro pump with it. Muscle band, spoon and amp, (or I’ve seen rapid fire scarf)
Water Spout is just trash. Hydro with Spin is fine and the CDR for Hydro generally removes the need for Scarf now, meaning you can still run Focus or Guard now
Feel amp helps with damage, blast ulti is strong and 89 sec. It feels wrong to play band over amp with how much ulti is up
I think if you playing against 4 squishy like espeon delphox and other shit, amd your team has not so much dps, you can chose spin over surf.. but even surf and hydro pump can kill squishy mon..
They never should've had nerfed rapid spin's damage, they literally only nerfed it because of the other build that was very popular at the time and thought "we should nerf everything about blastoise, even if it doesn't make sense"
If they un-nerf it's damage then we would be talking
And the buff only really matters at level 13 but good luck getting there hitting everyone with a wet noodle .
I think the best way to do damage with Rapid Spin is with Hydro Pump for sure
Defenders require way too much experience there's no need for it especially when you have Eevees in game that get everything one level sooner.
I just hate having more than 1 defender on the team... not sure why everyone picks a defender but has less defense damage taken an allrounder
Idk I dont think defenders should be able to "carry". Maybe they just need to rework water spout or something
I hit 138k yesterday with wise glass/spoon/sp.atk spcs + x spd
I almost did 100K damage with Hydro Pump and Rapid Spin. Water Spout is just a dead move
They nerfed spout the hardest out of all stoise moves when it was by far the worst move at the time already. No amount of buffs to rapid spin will fix this build, spout is the issue. Hydro pump spin does more damage, so why ever play spout when it even gimps your laning phase completely
@4:37 cris turns into a dog for a second
Spout by itself sucks, you have no actual sustain so you have to play with a healer, it does 0 damage and you need lvl 13. Moveset is so bad, they just need to buff rhe damage or buff spout or give it sustain
If it did damage again then everyone would cry and get it nerfed again
just give it back unstoppable while spinning
AGREE
Waterspout is garbage the moment you learn it you become worse than having watergun until you reach lv7
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I never do waterspout with rapid spin
Maybe switch focus to muscle ?
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Next video snorlex, just try it cookies, focus, buddy .... Frail and yawn I got 17 KO 300+ score in master, I don't know enemies were too weak or I was good
I somehow die faster with this build than with surf
its more of a supplementary damage dealer tbh
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Double stacking is better
I thought maybe i was the only one who's bad with this build guess not
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Hydro pump is just better it stuns and does lethal damage and your truly a bully, thou surf is surf. I recommend pump spin if you want to frag out and boss up on the opposition.
Under 1min gang lol
This is a terrible example try shell,specs,and spoon with rapid spin and hydro pump I think you got a bad impression cause your using a bad build
Sad. Your team certainly didn't help, but this isn't it. Blasty boy seems too squishy and outputs no damage.
Sorry yall but this build has never been the same ._. other moveset always
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Why would you play rapid spin and water spout???? That’s literally the worst build and it’s not close wtf bro 😂
water spout was nerfed buddy just use the jp hydro rapid
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Nice buff can be:
While spinning 50% damage reduction from opponents...💀💀
Imagine keep feeding and saying your team useless, garbage and trash 🤡
Goes in against 5 enemies and dies without trying to kite at all then complaining the build doesnt do damage lol smh, why not try to not die and play around team more maybe they'll do better with their tank around instead hes dead or farming xp before objectives and instead of defending pads, poor teammates, its ok tho he cant be good at every build and mon in the game 😅