To me what makes Chris and Garrett’s channel special is the engagement with viewers through the comments section. It makes subscribers feel they are part of a community. We connect via a shared appreciation of the chesterfield, the knuckleheads, the solerism, our man Victor Campenaerts, etc. Thank you to the Horners.
A few here have mentioned how cool it is that Chris actually engages with the commenters. And I couldn’t agree more - just yesterday I told my family that a former Vuelta winner replied to my comment 😂 I love your content Chris! 👊🦋
I'm very curious to see how Pablo Torres performs in 2025, now that he has been signed up by UAE as part of their Pro team and how he matches up with the likes of Ayuso, Yates, Almeida and yes even The Pog.
Nairo Quintana is the smallest/lightest rider to win a grand tour in recent memory. He is 5'6" tall and 130lbs. Lenny has a mountain to climb and a mountain of muscle to gain.
You got a point. With pogi you have a rider at 65kg pushing 7w/kg, with the combined bike weight that’s 6.32w/kg effectively. Even if lenny at 50 kg could do 7w/kg (body weight), that’s still 6.14w/kg system weight assuming bike of 7kg. Now, if you add into the speed this creates on 6-7% grades, which is 25-28 kph full gas, you need about 100-150 watts for that on the flat, which means of the 7w/kg, let’s say 125 gets knocked off aerodynamically, which leaves Lenny with 3.95 w/kg of system weight, while pogi is pushing it at 4.51. So even if you look at climbing, when you take into account the super high speeds this kind of power generates, even a lighter rider actually can have a major disadvantage once you work it out. Lmk if you agree with my math/assumptions.
Martinez might have stood a chance of winning TdF in an old version that had fewer time trialling miles than old TdFs did. The problem for light weight climbers now is the bikes and more scientific training that allows bigger riders to do OK in mountains. For example, in days of 5 or 6-speed freewheels and 53/42 by 12/24 or 28, we had to gamble on struggling to get over mountains or keep up on flats (gears to high or spinning out gears too low). Now, there's a gear to get over or along all types of terrain at perfect cadence for each rider. The old TdFs were intended to balance time lost in mountains with gained in TT. It wasn't quite that simple as powerful TT riders often did have the power to survive in mountains, eg Indurain, but more recent versions have more steeper climbing just to give climbers a chance
@@ChrisHornerCyclingmy favourite conspiracy theory is that rim brakes will make a huge comeback in the industry and UCI will make the weight limit 6.4kg or less to boost sales of new product 🦋 👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling Wasn't thinking about shorter riders, but yeah, they're disadvantaged total power-to-weight with high weight minimum. I was thinking of the weight calculus of wheels, tires, brakes, groupsets, etc. is not a factor, because if you don't add the weight there you have to fill your crank spindle with lead weights to reach the minimum. It's original purpose of equipment safety is not relevant after a quarter century of materials advancement.
@@flyingberserker3965 Skujins,Matteo, Our man Victor, and a selection few others aren’t afraid to race hard knowing there’s a slim chance to win but at least they take the chance. Other dudes are looking at each other and their power meters. The budget gap is true and large but when Tadej won his 1st 2 tours UAE wasn’t the largest budget by any stretch. He won those on straight guts/courage and maybe few others aren’t afraid things.
On weight and power to weight ratios: is the weight of the bike a factor? A very light rider means 6.8 kg minimum bike weight is a greater portion of rider & bike weight than for a bigger rider. Unfair to smaller riders
Chris as a former pro racer you and I know the answer it’s VO2 max strength and endurance and light weight. As a super light racer you know how that helped your climbing speed endurance and recovery.
There are some riders with ridiculously high VO2max values, but that alone doesn't guarantee a result, you need to train A LOT, especially fatigue resistance (endurance).
Chris gifting inches left and right. Lenny is 1.68 and Remco 1.71 m, so 5.5 and 5.6'. Or maybe is it that american thing of measuring heights with the shoes on ?
Unfortunately theres way too much NIMBY attitude in the US to tolerate having long stretches of roads closed off for even a day. It would be unpopular to the general public dealing with the "inconvenience", and it only takes a couple of fun hating powerful local officials to close the whole thing down. Even open road gravel races in remote areas here often meet opposition with being able to organize.
In the US we are seriously hurting for quality races. First it was the recession and then Covid when we saw races disappear. Now it just seems that cycling is still recovering from the doping issues of the past. 🤔🦋
It costs teams a fortune to race outside of Europe. When we did have UCI races here, it was either a "training camp", sponsor obligations (Specialized, mostly), or just a chance to send some stagiares or domestiques over here to dominate US pros and give them a chance to get some wins. We saw Elia Viviani dominate the U.S. Pro, a neo pro Sagan dominate California, and a 19 year old Pogacar dominate Utah. The public (I'm in cycling heavy Colorado) DO NOT care about this sport, and it's super expensive to host races. Not happening, We have gravel, I guess.
Lucien Van Impe 76 Tour winner was 5’5.748” and 130lb compared to Marco Pantini at 5’7.717” and 126lb. If Remco ever wins the tour he do it at 5’7.323 and 135ib.
Jonas seems to be the lightest at 127 “if” the stats are correct. Marco about that weight also. But wow 114.5 lbs. that’s crazy light if Lenny was to win. 🤔🦋👍
This is sorta kinda my opinion on Mathew Riccitello. He will be able to win certain climbing stages. Super domistique, maybe. Top ten in most climbing races he's in, that fit his physical profile and ability.
When you say you can see Remco winning the TdF under the right conditions, do those conditions include Tadej and Jonas being absent and a stronger team for Remco? I think Remco is great but still a ways to go and I don’t think his team is capable of defending him as the top GC rider, much different being in 3rd and able to just follow others. His TT performance is incredible so a long TT could help, but Jonas and Tadej do pretty well in TTs also.
5’6’’ 114 lb isn’t just a muscle mass problem - it is absolutely an eating disorder. I don’t need to know anything else about him, honestly, but, he needs a psychiatrist, and I wouldn’t even allow him to training camp until he’s 125, and cleared by a doctor first. He’s clearly got great talent and potential - but this is a problem. I think he can straighten out and get on some podiums down the road in Grand Tours - but he’s got a serious problem.
He's a professional athlete who burns thousands of calories a day - so he's eating more than enough for a regular person but as an athlete it's not enough. Another matter is that he doesn't need 11 pounds of weight, he needs 11 pounds of muscle.
@@blue-pi2kt nobody, NOBODY, can simply gain 11 pounds of muscles without gaining some fat along with it. The only people who could remotely come close to gaining "pure muscles" are the bodybuilders on massive gears. Cyclists, not a chance.
I've noticed that some of the top riders actually have some muscle...Theres remco, and primoz has visible arm muscles. I did see Lance ride once and compared to interviews seeing him from the waist up, his haunches / legs were comparitively huge.
Let’s hope not. Lenny doesn’t seem to be any thinner than any of the good GC riders. I remember being a freshman at 105 lbs and I was probably about his height. I don’t remember how tall I was exactly then but I do remember my weight because I was a wrestler for a very short time and remover being Lenny’s weight but dropping weight to make the 105 class. I just starved myself once to make weight and then thought that’s crazy I would rather ride my bike. 🤔🦋👊🤞
I love you guys. You are doing excellent work, but if Pogacar is as good next season as he was this season. Complete domination. He will just pick his races, and the rest is riding for what's left. Miracles need to happen for other topriders closing that gap. The UAE team is not exactly a weak team as well. Good luck for the other teams.
About 61 kilos. When then the Vuelta started. The lowest I got was 132.5 lbs before it in training. So about 60kilos before the Vuelta but I add a bit by stage one just to be safe. 🦋👊
6:40 Well, we have to Remember that Vincenzo One day before the tt stage in la vuelta 2013 has been stung by a bee He didn't gain much time on you because of that Luck Is, some times, important as well!
Was listening to this on a run (jog) and I thought "I dunno Chris, what about Carlos Sastre?" Fire up PCS when I get back. Carlos Sastre 5'7" 134 pounds. Why you gotta be right all the time?
What kind of math are you doing on the chesterfield, putting on weight won't help his w/kg (say he's 6.5w/kg it's not obvious that he will pick up >7w for every kilo that he'll put on) even if he doesn't improve his w/kg he'll be more robust and better time trialist.
Unless he turns into Pantani, or should that be JV, he is dreaming. Nothing wrong with dreaming as an athlete, it's what gets one out there and training, but of all the riders out there you would imagine are the next 'page 1 riders' I hadn't considered LM.
Upping the game. Until it can't be upped and you need to hire fans to punch your competition, like Eddy Mercx. Pogy is no Mercx but will we see the fan punchers?
If he could ride a smaller lighter bike like a sub 6kg 650b he might have a better chance but the limits imposed by UCI and 700C wheels make this impossible.
I don't see it happening but I am hoping he understands that add that kind of money your a-game is 100% and in my opinion you have one bike weight and it's the same for him as a rider who is taller and equally as gifted or better I don't see how he could compete but I like being wrong
As money becomes more dominant cycling will trend like European football. The elite teams like Man City, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Chelsea etc will consistently dominate the competition. That is one area where American professional sports teams particularly football, basketball and maybe hockey have done better. They have taken measures like the structure of the player draft, salary caps, etc to give the poorer teams a chance to be competitive.
Is that why team like New England Patriots win 1st or 2 AFC East 19 times during past 20 season? or LA Dodgers made the playoff 10 yr in a row and win the NL West title 10times!
@@mracer8 You’ll notice I didn’t include baseball where it is easier for the wealthiest teams to accumulate the best players. The payroll of the New England Patriots, in their championship years were usually in the middle of the pack as far as the rankings go. From 2000 to 2005 while winning three Super Bowls their payroll ranked 18th, 12th, 25th, 15th, 24th, 13th of the 31/32 teams in the NFL. I would say that supports my argument that US sports leagues are better at distributing talent so that the wealthiest teams don’t always win the championships.
@@thart6103 The 2024-25 payroll for Ajax, PSV Eindhoven and Feyenoord are between 45-50M euros. PSG, Real Madrid, Man City and Man U all have payrolls over 200M euros. That’s why Eindivisie isn’t winning Champions League titles.
#1 reason why there are no French TDF winners in the last decades is because general French population hate cycling. You feel it when you ride there - I lived 4 years in south France. Continuous road rage, be ready to see side mirrors very close, stupid overtakes and nonsense driving all around. The fans in TDF? Mostly foreigners : the Danish in their RVs, Spanish and Italian crowds in Pyrénées and alps, Dutch and Belgians up north... It is impossible that talent develops if a whole country hates you when you train in the road for your sport.
And yet my experience is exactly the opposite. I've ridden a fair bit in the French Alps and the Voges and spent have weeks and weeks riding in Brittany. i felt WAY safer on the road than here in the UK. Better surfaces and more considerate drivers, There are signs that remind drivers to give cyclists room and cannot remember a close pass in the 100s of hours I've spent on the road there. I can remember people encouraging me from their car as I ground up the Joux Plane in failing light and cheers from the cafes along the road as I sprinted up a cobbled climb in Vannes .I can't say anything for where you lived, but making sweeping statements about millions of people based on their nationality and your narrow experience is outrageous.
@@ChrisHornerCyclingYou might be right but for a different reason. As long as Tadej, Jonas and Remco are racing Lenny will not win the Tour even if he was 6’5” in height.
I don’t believe it’s a problem at the levels we saw in the past. I would never say it’s zero and gone. We saw already some riders testing positive or found with it in their luggage flying home. But I also believe we can see clearly that the peloton is very even now more than ever before. That’s why we see young kids doing so well right from year one and two and the peloton curb to curb so often. 👊🦋🤞
The French teams and riders are full of excuses. The French need a grand tour rider with a killer instinct. A fierce rider with toughness. Hinault, Fignon, Jalabert, etc. Can France raise up a rider like that anymore? Alaphilippe can't be too far away. Maybe he's too small as well.
"...until I get that 800 thousand dollar paycheck and putting more protein in the body and gaining more muscle." It doesn't take 800 thousand bux to put more protein in your body. This is an amusing euphemism for doping.
riders need to get on the same "white bag" performance program that TP is on. TP is not winning because of some special training or nutrition program. his w/kg can only be achieved one way. some, yet to be revealed, enhancement program. why oh why Chris do you feed this lie. you even have video on Landis.....the "greatest day in cycling". TP pulled about 6 "Landis" days this year. you know more then most.....TP is not clean. 7.2 W/kg for +30 mionutes.......jesus.
martinez to expensive !!!!! an other lost for fdj ! if you want to lose; join a french team ! for the moment the french pedal skined on crap bike ! njoylife merci !
@@J-cz7yv If they awarded UCI points for commenting, SavagePro would dominate. I think he has notifications from every cycling channel fed through an earpiece 24/7.
To me what makes Chris and Garrett’s channel special is the engagement with viewers through the comments section. It makes subscribers feel they are part of a community. We connect via a shared appreciation of the chesterfield, the knuckleheads, the solerism, our man Victor Campenaerts, etc. Thank you to the Horners.
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My man 👊🦋😃👊
Also, I love to see comments. They help a ton with future video topics. 👊🦋
Well said. Bottom line is most cyclists are good people. 👊🦋🇨🇭
A few here have mentioned how cool it is that Chris actually engages with the commenters. And I couldn’t agree more - just yesterday I told my family that a former Vuelta winner replied to my comment 😂 I love your content Chris! 👊🦋
Chris dropping the true science on us today. Bravo.
It will be very interesting to watch and see just how good Lenny becomes. 🤔🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling Do Pogo and Remco have the sweet spot with muscle and power to weight ratio
I'm very curious to see how Pablo Torres performs in 2025, now that he has been signed up by UAE as part of their Pro team and how he matches up with the likes of Ayuso, Yates, Almeida and yes even The Pog.
Hard work, dedication, a singular focus and the best doctor!
Of course great genes too!
Find another reason to hate other than doctors.
Natural ability always helps. Good recovery is a plus. 👊🦋
Nairo Quintana is the smallest/lightest rider to win a grand tour in recent memory. He is 5'6" tall and 130lbs. Lenny has a mountain to climb and a mountain of muscle to gain.
Agreed. Lenny would break records if he wins at 114.5lbs. 😮🦋👊
Pantani was only 5’ 7-1/2, 125lbs
Excellent video. Loved the deep insights. So sensible!
Thanks. It will be interesting to see how Lenny develops. 👊🦋
You got a point. With pogi you have a rider at 65kg pushing 7w/kg, with the combined bike weight that’s 6.32w/kg effectively. Even if lenny at 50 kg could do 7w/kg (body weight), that’s still 6.14w/kg system weight assuming bike of 7kg. Now, if you add into the speed this creates on 6-7% grades, which is 25-28 kph full gas, you need about 100-150 watts for that on the flat, which means of the 7w/kg, let’s say 125 gets knocked off aerodynamically, which leaves Lenny with 3.95 w/kg of system weight, while pogi is pushing it at 4.51. So even if you look at climbing, when you take into account the super high speeds this kind of power generates, even a lighter rider actually can have a major disadvantage once you work it out. Lmk if you agree with my math/assumptions.
Exactly right, this is why typically power^2/weight is the better predictor of who wins races.
Martinez might have stood a chance of winning TdF in an old version that had fewer time trialling miles than old TdFs did. The problem for light weight climbers now is the bikes and more scientific training that allows bigger riders to do OK in mountains. For example, in days of 5 or 6-speed freewheels and 53/42 by 12/24 or 28, we had to gamble on struggling to get over mountains or keep up on flats (gears to high or spinning out gears too low). Now, there's a gear to get over or along all types of terrain at perfect cadence for each rider. The old TdFs were intended to balance time lost in mountains with gained in TT. It wasn't quite that simple as powerful TT riders often did have the power to survive in mountains, eg Indurain, but more recent versions have more steeper climbing just to give climbers a chance
The UCI needs to add a 4th podium position: Pogi, 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Then, FINALLY make a long overdue bike weight minimum adjustment to 12 pounds.
Right. Short riders are at a disadvantage. The UCI should fix that. 🤔🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCyclingmy favourite conspiracy theory is that rim brakes will make a huge comeback in the industry and UCI will make the weight limit 6.4kg or less to boost sales of new product 🦋 👊
@@ChrisHornerCyclingminimum saddle height rule, problem solved!
@@Elonpocalyps420 Works for me! It could also make mechanical groupsets top tier again, and bring back tubulars!
@@ChrisHornerCycling Wasn't thinking about shorter riders, but yeah, they're disadvantaged total power-to-weight with high weight minimum. I was thinking of the weight calculus of wheels, tires, brakes, groupsets, etc. is not a factor, because if you don't add the weight there you have to fill your crank spindle with lead weights to reach the minimum. It's original purpose of equipment safety is not relevant after a quarter century of materials advancement.
Attitude change is needed. “You play to win the game”. Have to stop racing for 3rd-10th spots or protecting their podium spots. Grab the bull and go!
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Its hard for teams with limited budget against teams with unlimited budget, its a Gap too big
@@flyingberserker3965 Skujins,Matteo, Our man Victor, and a selection few others aren’t afraid to race hard knowing there’s a slim chance to win but at least they take the chance. Other dudes are looking at each other and their power meters. The budget gap is true and large but when Tadej won his 1st 2 tours UAE wasn’t the largest budget by any stretch. He won those on straight guts/courage and maybe few others aren’t afraid things.
Good take, Chris.
I see your '96 NutraFig helmet & '97 FdJ kit.😊
Yep. 👊🦋
On weight and power to weight ratios: is the weight of the bike a factor? A very light rider means 6.8 kg minimum bike weight is a greater portion of rider & bike weight than for a bigger rider. Unfair to smaller riders
Chris as a former pro racer you and I know the answer it’s VO2 max strength and endurance and light weight. As a super light racer you know how that helped your climbing speed endurance and recovery.
Yep. All super important 👊🦋
There are some riders with ridiculously high VO2max values, but that alone doesn't guarantee a result, you need to train A LOT, especially fatigue resistance (endurance).
Can't wait to see another french contender
HBD Chris, wikipedia told me it was your birthday!
Chris gifting inches left and right. Lenny is 1.68 and Remco 1.71 m, so 5.5 and 5.6'. Or maybe is it that american thing of measuring heights with the shoes on ?
Why can’t France produce a Tour GC winner in 40 years ? And why can’t we in the US keep a UCI tour going ? Thanks Chris for your cycling commentary.
Unfortunately theres way too much NIMBY attitude in the US to tolerate having long stretches of roads closed off for even a day. It would be unpopular to the general public dealing with the "inconvenience", and it only takes a couple of fun hating powerful local officials to close the whole thing down. Even open road gravel races in remote areas here often meet opposition with being able to organize.
In the US we are seriously hurting for quality races. First it was the recession and then Covid when we saw races disappear. Now it just seems that cycling is still recovering from the doping issues of the past. 🤔🦋
It costs teams a fortune to race outside of Europe. When we did have UCI races here, it was either a "training camp", sponsor obligations (Specialized, mostly), or just a chance to send some stagiares or domestiques over here to dominate US pros and give them a chance to get some wins. We saw Elia Viviani dominate the U.S. Pro, a neo pro Sagan dominate California, and a 19 year old Pogacar dominate Utah. The public (I'm in cycling heavy Colorado) DO NOT care about this sport, and it's super expensive to host races. Not happening, We have gravel, I guess.
Off the top of my head ~ Pantani may be the lightest/shortest Tour winner, from 1998?
Anyone else?
And! That was the "Festina affair" year.
Lucien Van Impe 76 Tour winner was 5’5.748” and 130lb compared to Marco Pantini at 5’7.717” and 126lb. If Remco ever wins the tour he do it at 5’7.323 and 135ib.
@@patrickwong4824 Pantani was 5’7.718, not 5’7.717, let's be precise.
Thanks and 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jonas seems to be the lightest at 127 “if” the stats are correct. Marco about that weight also. But wow 114.5 lbs. that’s crazy light if Lenny was to win. 🤔🦋👍
@@ChrisHornerCyclingJonas said on a GCN video a while back he races at 57kg so if we translate it into America speak it should be about right
This is sorta kinda my opinion on Mathew Riccitello. He will be able to win certain climbing stages. Super domistique, maybe. Top ten in most climbing races he's in, that fit his physical profile and ability.
It will be interesting to see how Riccitello goes in the future. He’s a bit bigger than Lenny. 🤔🦋👍
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Ahahahahahha you guys are crazy for that. Circularly challenged is a violation
hahaha "circularly challenged" i KNEW there was a term for my struggle🤣
A 52kg rider like Martinez will always lose ~1min per 10km of time trial. So he won't win the Tour de France. Ever.
They just got a better doctor, and funny that the compare him with merckx who was caught 3-4 times doping
When you say you can see Remco winning the TdF under the right conditions, do those conditions include Tadej and Jonas being absent and a stronger team for Remco? I think Remco is great but still a ways to go and I don’t think his team is capable of defending him as the top GC rider, much different being in 3rd and able to just follow others. His TT performance is incredible so a long TT could help, but Jonas and Tadej do pretty well in TTs also.
5’6’’ 114 lb isn’t just a muscle mass problem - it is absolutely an eating disorder. I don’t need to know anything else about him, honestly, but, he needs a psychiatrist, and I wouldn’t even allow him to training camp until he’s 125, and cleared by a doctor first. He’s clearly got great talent and potential - but this is a problem. I think he can straighten out and get on some podiums down the road in Grand Tours - but he’s got a serious problem.
He's a professional athlete who burns thousands of calories a day - so he's eating more than enough for a regular person but as an athlete it's not enough. Another matter is that he doesn't need 11 pounds of weight, he needs 11 pounds of muscle.
@@blue-pi2kt nobody, NOBODY, can simply gain 11 pounds of muscles without gaining some fat along with it. The only people who could remotely come close to gaining "pure muscles" are the bodybuilders on massive gears. Cyclists, not a chance.
I've noticed that some of the top riders actually have some muscle...Theres remco, and primoz has visible arm muscles. I did see Lance ride once and compared to interviews seeing him from the waist up, his haunches / legs were comparitively huge.
Let’s hope not. Lenny doesn’t seem to be any thinner than any of the good GC riders. I remember being a freshman at 105 lbs and I was probably about his height. I don’t remember how tall I was exactly then but I do remember my weight because I was a wrestler for a very short time and remover being Lenny’s weight but dropping weight to make the 105 class. I just starved myself once to make weight and then thought that’s crazy I would rather ride my bike. 🤔🦋👊🤞
@@janefreeman995Peter Sagan…oh wait you were talking about GT riders, right?
Van Impe was pretty short i think. Agree you need to be sort of a bit robust to be winning a 3 Week race in this era.
Up the power to ratio... 7 w per kg is the mark to beat to have to hold for the whole tours
Or shoot for 6.5 ish and avoid Pogi. 😂🦋👊
It's simple, you just have to frequent the same harmful entourage as Pogi
I love you guys. You are doing excellent work, but if Pogacar is as good next season as he was this season. Complete domination. He will just pick his races, and the rest is riding for what's left. Miracles need to happen for other topriders closing that gap. The UAE team is not exactly a weak team as well. Good luck for the other teams.
Chris what was your height and weight when you won the Vuelta
he mentioned before that he was under 60kgs when he won the Vuelta..
About 61 kilos. When then the Vuelta started. The lowest I got was 132.5 lbs before it in training. So about 60kilos before the Vuelta but I add a bit by stage one just to be safe. 🦋👊
Height is 5’10” on a good day. 🤪🦋👊
That is why Ligue 1 in soccer who used to regularly have top contenders in Champions League, is now known as the Farmers League.
I will just agree with you cause I know nothing about soccer ⚽️ 😂🦋👊
Be interesting to see what Lotto do with Jarno Widar, he also needs to gain weight but he is still probably growing into his body due to his age
Right. At 18 maybe there is a lot of growth still coming. 🤔🦋👍
6:40 Well, we have to Remember that Vincenzo One day before the tt stage in la vuelta 2013 has been stung by a bee
He didn't gain much time on you because of that
Luck Is, some times, important as well!
Was listening to this on a run (jog) and I thought "I dunno Chris, what about Carlos Sastre?" Fire up PCS when I get back. Carlos Sastre 5'7" 134 pounds. Why you gotta be right all the time?
Sastre, the most overlooked TDF winner ever. He's probably fine with it, lol!
What kind of math are you doing on the chesterfield, putting on weight won't help his w/kg (say he's 6.5w/kg it's not obvious that he will pick up >7w for every kilo that he'll put on) even if he doesn't improve his w/kg he'll be more robust and better time trialist.
Unless he turns into Pantani, or should that be JV, he is dreaming. Nothing wrong with dreaming as an athlete, it's what gets one out there and training, but of all the riders out there you would imagine are the next 'page 1 riders' I hadn't considered LM.
Upping the game. Until it can't be upped and you need to hire fans to punch your competition, like Eddy Mercx. Pogy is no Mercx but will we see the fan punchers?
The famous punch. We can only hope it never appears 😮🦋🤞
If he could ride a smaller lighter bike like a sub 6kg 650b he might have a better chance but the limits imposed by UCI and 700C wheels make this impossible.
Height no problem. Marco Pantani is not tall either but he packs a lot of muscles on his lower body.
I don't see it happening but I am hoping he understands that add that kind of money your a-game is 100% and in my opinion you have one bike weight and it's the same for him as a rider who is taller and equally as gifted or better I don't see how he could compete but I like being wrong
114lbs - I haven't been that weight since grade school.
I am vertically challenged.... always have been, but I'd love to be more horizontally challenged as I age.
Power to weight ratio ? Sounds suspiciously like sport Roglic used to do way back 😆
Incredible to (have to) tell a rider to get more muscles, isn't that completely obvious for professionals. But does he have the potential?
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With a weight of 114 lbs, he could be the ultimate KOM on Strava
Feather light. Mental
Imagine if I am completely wrong and Lenny was to win. Would we see more super light weight riders out there. 🤔🦋👊 😮
@@ChrisHornerCycling He'll only be competing against Phil Gaimon for Strava KOMs 🤣
Pogacar is already. No one, and i mean.no one climbs faster than he does
They could pay them with kindness and love!!! 😀
Vertically Challenged 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As money becomes more dominant cycling will trend like European football. The elite teams like Man City, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Chelsea etc will consistently dominate the competition. That is one area where American professional sports teams particularly football, basketball and maybe hockey have done better. They have taken measures like the structure of the player draft, salary caps, etc to give the poorer teams a chance to be competitive.
Hey! You didn’t mention any Eredivisie teams.
Is that why team like New England Patriots win 1st or 2 AFC East 19 times during past 20 season? or LA Dodgers made the playoff 10 yr in a row and win the NL West title 10times!
Is that why ineos is doing so good? 😂
@@mracer8 You’ll notice I didn’t include baseball where it is easier for the wealthiest teams to accumulate the best players. The payroll of the New England Patriots, in their championship years were usually in the middle of the pack as far as the rankings go. From 2000 to 2005 while winning three Super Bowls their payroll ranked 18th, 12th, 25th, 15th, 24th, 13th of the 31/32 teams in the NFL. I would say that supports my argument that US sports leagues are better at distributing talent so that the wealthiest teams don’t always win the championships.
@@thart6103 The 2024-25 payroll for Ajax, PSV Eindhoven and Feyenoord are between 45-50M euros. PSG, Real Madrid, Man City and Man U all have payrolls over 200M euros. That’s why Eindivisie isn’t winning Champions League titles.
the number one obstacle to wining he TdF is a GUY named Teddy Peg czar.,
#1 reason why there are no French TDF winners in the last decades is because general French population hate cycling.
You feel it when you ride there - I lived 4 years in south France. Continuous road rage, be ready to see side mirrors very close, stupid overtakes and nonsense driving all around.
The fans in TDF? Mostly foreigners : the Danish in their RVs, Spanish and Italian crowds in Pyrénées and alps, Dutch and Belgians up north...
It is impossible that talent develops if a whole country hates you when you train in the road for your sport.
And yet my experience is exactly the opposite. I've ridden a fair bit in the French Alps and the Voges and spent have weeks and weeks riding in Brittany. i felt WAY safer on the road than here in the UK. Better surfaces and more considerate drivers, There are signs that remind drivers to give cyclists room and cannot remember a close pass in the 100s of hours I've spent on the road there. I can remember people encouraging me from their car as I ground up the Joux Plane in failing light and cheers from the cafes along the road as I sprinted up a cobbled climb in Vannes .I can't say anything for where you lived, but making sweeping statements about millions of people based on their nationality and your narrow experience is outrageous.
The French have an "entitlement attitude" problem in general. They hate working and they hate losing. LOL.
Would it help if he becomes Slovenian?
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Couldn’t hurt 😂🦋👊
What Lenny Martinez needs is a McDonald type diet.
Why knock his height when is only an inch shorter than Remco?
I’m not knocking his height. I’m just saying it hasn’t been done during this era of 40 years. Pure fact. 🤔🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCyclingYou might be right but for a different reason. As long as Tadej, Jonas and Remco are racing Lenny will not win the Tour even if he was 6’5” in height.
He has as much chance of winning TdF as me.
Maybe a little more. 😂🦋👊
Chris is doping an issue in today’s peloton?
I don’t believe it’s a problem at the levels we saw in the past. I would never say it’s zero and gone. We saw already some riders testing positive or found with it in their luggage flying home. But I also believe we can see clearly that the peloton is very even now more than ever before. That’s why we see young kids doing so well right from year one and two and the peloton curb to curb so often. 👊🦋🤞
What they need to change is their name to Pogocar , when are you going to show us those chicken legs .
Pogačar.
Changing the name is by far not enough… 😂
I have never been told my legs are manly. But never told that they are chicken legs either. 🍗🦵😂🦋
You are funny ill give you that .
The french just don't seem willing to pay to play..... So, nothing will change.
Yep. The team budgets for the French teams just are not there yet. 🤔🦋😮
They need the juice. Become friends with pogacar and UAE during the off-season, figure out what they are on.
Find another reason to hate. Its not the juice
It can’t be that simple or by now the world would know. The internet is to powerful for a whole team to be juiced. 🤪🦋👊👍🤞
Wait, born in 2003 and 21 years old??????.......... makes me sad 😔 😔
Aw! Why sad? He’s got a bright future this kid!
Yep. We are old. 😂🦋👊
How to win a grand tour? Sabotaging Poga?
That’s a good start. 🤪🦋👊
French and Ireland riders now are too soft to win a Grand Tour
1. Get born in Slovenia
2. Have your parents name you Tadej Pogacar
That’s it. Easy peasy…
How about a Zone 2 of 350?
Yep. Pogi is impressive 😮🦋💪
The French teams and riders are full of excuses. The French need a grand tour rider with a killer instinct. A fierce rider with toughness. Hinault, Fignon, Jalabert, etc. Can France raise up a rider like that anymore? Alaphilippe can't be too far away. Maybe he's too small as well.
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Lenny Martinez has to gain weight, and get a LOT better at time trialing.
This has to be one of the most vanilla video I have ever watched. Welcome to the Off Season
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Chris Froome comeback in 2025. He will defeat Tadej at the Tour de France.
Heard it here first
Bam. Go big or go home. It’s time for Froome. 😂🤪🦋👊
_What Riders Need to Change to Win Grand Tours?_
They need to adopt the same _training program_ as Pogacar.
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Drugs. More and better drugs.
"...until I get that 800 thousand dollar paycheck and putting more protein in the body and gaining more muscle." It doesn't take 800 thousand bux to put more protein in your body. This is an amusing euphemism for doping.
No it’s not. Just add some muscle 😂🦋🤪
riders need to get on the same "white bag" performance program that TP is on. TP is not winning because of some special training or nutrition program. his w/kg can only be achieved one way. some, yet to be revealed, enhancement program. why oh why Chris do you feed this lie. you even have video on Landis.....the "greatest day in cycling". TP pulled about 6 "Landis" days this year. you know more then most.....TP is not clean. 7.2 W/kg for +30 mionutes.......jesus.
martinez to expensive !!!!! an other lost for fdj ! if you want to lose; join a french team ! for the moment the french pedal skined on crap bike ! njoylife merci !
That tells us all how bad the budget is over there at FdJ is. 😱🦋
Martinez’s only chance is to have been born 10 years ago 😢
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I rarely give thumbs up for any inference to doping, but this has me questioning.
He’s the worst bot on the platform. Anyone beats Jonas and it’s a doping issue.
Savage falls back to the dark days from time to time. 😮🦋
@@J-cz7yv If they awarded UCI points for commenting, SavagePro would dominate. I think he has notifications from every cycling channel fed through an earpiece 24/7.
@@charliedillon1400 lol you are so right! Part of the reason I’m convinced it’s a bot account 😂
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