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Baby Grand Seiko Battle- SARB v SDGM v SARX
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2016
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This is a fun casual look at 3 similar JDM Seiko dress watches. I hope you find it enlightening and enjoyable. A big thanks to my 2 friends who loaned their personal watches for this video. Cheers guys!
For Reference:
SARB033 38.25mm D. 44.75mm L2L 11.8mm H.
SDGM001 40.5mm D. 48.6mm L2L 11.8mm H.
SARX033 41.25mm D. 46.2mm L2L 11.9mm H.
Watching this video many yrs later and checking the Grand Seiko and after all the purchases I’ve made since has made me want to unload a few and pick out a nice Grand Seiko for myself. Thanks BW ! The library of videos are on point.
A great review and comparison, really enjoyed seeing all three together.
I have the SDGM003 and it's still my favourite of the three, I'm a sucker for that dial.
Congratulations on hitting 2000+, well deserved.
Its true. The dial is so attractive. I like how subtle it is on the 003. Cheers :)
Sdgm003 super slick! You are so lucky to have one.
Thanks. This was an excellent comparison explaining differences, strengths, etc.
This was an awesome review, you went in depth in a way that few channels accomplish. Nice job!
Thanks, that is a kind comment!
@jmcrofts damn, jm on a watch review video? Literally just watched your latest dragonball video an hour ago.
Did you end up buying one of these?
Thank you so much for this post. This is quite possibly the best watch video I have ever seen on RUclips. And I have seen so many now that I've forgotten most of them I won't be forgetting this one in a hurry though. Thanks.
Wow, that's really nice to hear. Thank you!
Excellent review of some beautiful Seiko domestic models! I'm new to the brand having stuck with Swiss brands historically, but am slowly coming over. TGV is a big Seiko fan and intrigued me, but your comparisons are very helpful! Thank you! That Grand Seiko is ridiculously gorgeous!
This video got me into a SARB033. Very good assessment of every piece... not feeling "beaten up" by your criticisms of the SARB. They're fair, and understandable when it's held against two watches twice the price... Wonderful set of "Baby Grands" you've got there.
Nicely done! I'm waiting for your Grand Seiko battle.
Great insight. Love that your reviews don't get too long winded. Man I wish the SARX was a 38mm or that the SARB had no lume, AR and the level of finishing of the others. I'm so conflicted. The SARB is perfection in terms of proportions right down to the length of the indices.
thankyou for the reviews and all the work you put into these-the education has been a big help to all of us,,
Great review. I own the SARB033, but completely fell in love with the new SARX033. Seiko did an amazing job with their new SARX line. Someday I want to get a GS snowflake, which is absolutely stunning, but until this day the sarx033 might be a great surrogate. Your video is like a drug for Seiko fans :)
thanks! I agree with you. The sarx line is amazing and a great stand in until your able to get a GS. Seiko is so great at creating attractive models at all price points. Addictive indeed!
I had a GS Sbdg001 a while back. It was a 41mm with the champagne dial. The most comfortable watch I had ever owned. I loved it but I realized how much i really wanted it to have lume so i eventually sold it. I picked up a sarb035 recently to have as a dress watch not really thinking I would wear it and I am blown away at the quality of it. Reminds me so much of my grand seiko. No the lume on the SARB is not enough to go diving with but it’s enough to tell the time in a dimly lit house or when it gets dark early, or I find myself in a dark room, I can always tell the time. I’m one if the few who wish more dress watches had lume so being they’re hard to find, the SARB is my new favorite.
Thanks for the great review. I was able to find a SDGM001 from Japan. It is as gorgeous as you said. The case design, cocktail dial, diashield, quality bracelet and the impeccable indices make it a true baby GS. It love it more than my Rolex!!
This is the video I have been waiting for in my life. After much deliberation I am going for the SARB... I absolutely love the SDGM cocktail time-esque dial, but that doesn't justify the price for me (I will get a Blue Moonlight cocktail or an Alpinist + SARB for the price of the SDGM). In any case, I would replace the case with an aftermarket beads of rice bracelet (like those on Omega Deville's)
Nice review, now I see where the price diff comes into play
I know this is a bit older now, but a great review none the less. I just ordered the Seiko Presage SARD011 with the Urushi Dial and i am super stoked to get this. I want to add another Seiko JDM so this vid was really helpful. Was leaning toward the SARB but now i'm leaning toward the SARX line after this review.
I'd have to go with the white dial SARX033. I like the sleek dial tones and the simplistic, yet elegant hands. The slight blue color of the hands really sells me.
I just bought the SARX033 yesterday. I loved it because I wanted stainless, display case back, date function, and dial simplicity. (It was also in my price range at just under $1000.) But what clinched it for me was the blue hands. Just a gorgeous shade of blue that looks great with the simplicity and elegance of the white face. I don’t really care for the “busy-ness” of dive watches and I can’t wait for mine to be delivered.
I have the Sary057 black dial and it is an awesome piece. Slightly larger than a Sarb at 41.5, but great value for the money ($270 on amazon, $318 on SeiyaJapan). Has a slightly sportier look than the Sarb imo, and doesn’t have loom. Definitely worth considering.
love these watches so much. great review
Happy to find this video. Bought the SARX033 yesterday. The white dial and blue hands look perfect to me. For $220 more than a SARB I couldn't be happier. The SARB lume put me off. Thank you for the review
I like that SARX line. But I want that SDGM face. Well, I mean I like them all in one way or another. And thank you for doing a comparison video because I am new to watches and have been struggling a little figuring out the differences. All I knew was that the SARB wasn't as good, but I thought one of these had the 4r series movement. Happy I found this.
After seeing these 3 watches and comparing to my GS high beat, I find a lot of the same design and features. Its really like a honda and a lexus. One is a bargain and the other is pretty much a luxury bargain where they keep things similar but raise the quality and craftsmanship.
That's a great comment. Nice to hear a GS owners perspective. Cheers
Just stumbled upon this video. Great comparison of baby Grands. Oddly enough, I have the SARB033 and SARX033 on my wish list. I better pick up the SARB now before it's completely discontinued and grab a couple straps for it. I think the SARB is a perfect balance of sport and dress watch, just depends what strap is worn with it.
Absolutely magnificent review! I've been looking for a black SDGM (003), but unfortunately they're discontinued. I might have to settle for something else... the SARX seems like a good alternative. Thank you very much for making this video! Very well executed!!
Excellent presentation.... I really love that dial face on that SDGM....But bottom line is all three are worth owning!
Thanks for the review. Your side-by-side comparison of the three alternatives gave me the best perspective for making my choice. I bought the SARB035 because it is the best all around choice for me. Price was not an issue. The others have some better features - nicer face, finish, bracelet, and AR crystal. However, the SARB035 has the most appealing shape, is the best size for my 6.33 inch wrist, and also has the 6R15 movement. I received it today and I am amazed at the value for the price. This is a very classy watch.
Great choice!!
Awesome video comparison! So informative!
Great review! It's helped me appreciate each more and form a better buying decision.
What's frustrating is that all three of these watches are great but each get buoyed or weighed down by an aspect or two. I think the SARB (imo) nails the most aspects with the least drawbacks. As I value function, the lume is a bonus, it nails the font, the sewing needle-like second hand is a unique little quirk, it has a signed crown, and the finish on the case is similar to the others. Moreover, I think the dimensions are ideal for the average person, while the SDGM and SARX are tending towards being a bit too large.
It's a shame about the anti-reflective coating, and as for the bracelet, I think that can be swapped out for a leather bracelet or a NATO strap if you want to be dressy or casual. If only the sunburst dial of the SDGM (barring that plain font) featured on the SARB035... but in the end, it's in the eye of the beholder.
Thank you bruce ......you make me buy watches ....Very good review ,I bought the sarx 035
The 033/35 still have the best case design. I just wish it was larger at 40mm. The size, the clasp gap, and the lack of the micro adjustment/half links are the only things I would have changed, and that would make it almost a perfect watch.
Thank you for a great review.
Thanks for the great review. Can tell you like doing that.
I already have a SARB033 and just ordered a SARX035.
Thanks, I'm excited for you. The 35 looks so good!
Just bought the SARB in off white dial and LOVE it!! I looked longingly at the Brightz but it was out of my price range for now. Maybe next year. Great video and overview of these wonderful watches!
Thanks John, congrats on your new sarb!
Nice! I just ordered the SARX033. 👍
Excellent review. I just bought the SARB035 and really like it, but if I had seen this review beforehand, I probably would have gotten the SARX even though it costs over twice as much. The fact that you showed and explained how it fit due to the lug size was very well received. One thing I like about all the watches is the height of the cases. If I'm not mistaken they're all under 12mm which makes for a comfortable fit under a shirt cuff.
Yes, they are all under 12. I've worn them under cuffs in the past. Spot on comment. Cheers :)
SARX in 38-39mm would be an ultimate dress watch for the money , Great detail reviews as always brother !
Thanks Dylan I appreciate that
That's precisely why I got rid of my SDGM. My other watches are a Nomos 36mm AHOI, a SARB033, a SARB017 Alpinist, some Archimede and Muhle, and I've come to the conclusion that SARB033/035 are just nicer watches than the SARX / SDGM's.
I've worn a Snowflake, and I keep returning to the SARB. And my Nomos, which is similarly sized.
40+ mm for a dressy watch is too large. This is why a snowflake also doesn't do it. The 37mm GS's are better.
Went with the sarx033. Awesome!
Great vid
Well paced, you come off as a genuine, nice guy.
Appreciate that
I have the Sarb 33 black , gotta say amazing quality and flawless finish , as good even maybe better than my Rolex Air King (2016) or Rolex GMT 2 in terms of finish and the movement is a peach . All this for under £300 imported from internet supplier .
If watches were not such an addiction and a constant battle of restraint with us" watch guys" pocket books I would honestly say the Sarb 33 is the only watch anyone would ever need in their entire life ......if it wasn't for the choice of other great watches out there !!!
( currently have about 12 in my collection )
great channel very informative and concise watch reviews without rambling on and repeating yourself your watch reviews are just right for the average watch enthusiast like me that has some knowledge but wants other views opinions and information to increase our understanding ..keep up the good work
Thanks very kind of you to say. Congrats on your collection! Yes, I'm just your average watch enthusiast. I figure, if I have the watch might as well put up a video. I know I enjoy watching model specific content when I'm considering a purchase. Cheers!
Superb review thank you
I like the sarx but for as often as I wear a dress watch I will be keeping my sarb033. That Grand Seiko spring drive gmt on the other hand.... Great video Bruce!
Haha I know what you mean. I dress up once a week max. Even then I still need a GS too 👍👍
I’m going for the SARX awesome review and exactly what I was looking for. Great video
Great Comparison. I'm aiming for SARX for Dress Watch.
Hazman Noor SARX is my favorite of the three
Great review!
SDGM003 is definitely my favorite and I need it, if I can find one
great video for me... it really helped me decided between the sdg and the Sarx. I went with the Sarx033 I think it's a great watch for the price. I also picked up the 2 sary version of the presage line and to be honest once you get past the bracelets they are good looking watched for the buck. would of gotten a sarb but that 38mm just seems a little small for me. thanks again.
Colby Strang i heard the sary055/57 bracelets are very good quality but have the cheap clasp. Is this true? Also would u recommend the sary057 model for a daily wearer?
Bruce, nice work here! You're passion really shows and you provide high quality useful information which I truly appreciate! I'm zeroing in on the Sdgm001 brights. If you know... how long can I leave this baby on the shelf without wearing before it would need winding? I'm used to quartz and like the fact that isn't an issue. I also have a rolex that conks out overnight sometimes which makes me crazy.
excellent review, my personal favorite is the SARX, it's hands are more balanced compared to the Grand Coctail who's hands are too short in my opinion, also the case on the SARX reminds me of the 62GS which is my personal favorite GS ever made
Yes, the dauphine shaped hands work extremely well, I agree with you. The 62 is a classic!
Got the SARX033 three months ago. Wore it with a blue NATO, a black NATO, a brown leather, a brown leather with white stitches, a brown crocodile, and now a black leather. It looks beautiful on every strap.
Was thinking of getting a Hamilton Khaki next, but after trying it on my wrist, it didn't quite match the feel-good factor of the SARX. The 2824 movement looks more expensive than the 6R15, but that's about it. Maybe I'm just spoilt by the sheer beauty of the SARX.
Maybe if I do decide to buy a tool watch, I'll get the Hamilton. For now the SARX is more than enough. Quite impressed with Seiko, and feel it's worth every penny.
Very nice review, thanks. Well done.
Good Review! Thanks.
Not personally a big fan of the SDGM. I honestly prefer the SARB065 in look for the face. That SARX though...wow! Last stop before a Grand Seiko! 😊
Great comparison, thanks a lot. My SARX035 is in the mail and I´m so excited, it´s ridiculous. The 035 is everything I want from a black dresswatch. I never noticed the bracelet is different. Now, to me, the SARX is even more harmonious. THe SDGM003 is a truely unique piece, but it´s too special for everyday use, for me at least.
I'm excited for you! You should post a video showing off its beauty. I don't think there is one yet
What a great review, very thorough and awesome detail. Definitely like the SDGM003 best!
Thanks David, very kind of you to say
You have one of my favorite watch channels. You make great points and review watches that are relevant to me and my tiny budget lol. Plus your presentation is very well done. Thanks!
Your welcome. Its fun to do :)
I have the SARB035 and the SDGM003 and I had the white and black SARX in my hands. The SDGM003 is my favorite with it's subtle black sunburst dial and high quality finish. It does wear a little big for a dress watch... but to me it's more a sports watch competing against the Omega Aqua Terra. I was actually like 30 seconds from buying a Aqua Terra when I got the SDGM003 in my hands and fall in love with it.
The SARX is a very nice watch, but I do miss the magic and modern style from the SDGM dial and indices.
Excellent review! I really like the Brightz line(SDGM). After I bought my SARB033, I began to look for a more dressy watch for special occasions. My first option was the SARB065 "Cocktail Time", (I don´t remember if you have reviewed that one). Well that was until I checked your review of the black Brightz (SDGM003), which is a great improvement over the SARB033. Now that I see the SDGM001 in that champagne dial, and have a new target watch! So classy. The only thing is that I am afraid I would be to big for my skinny 6 and half inch wrist. So many choices! Thanks a lot for the review.
Your very welcome. I've not reviewed the cocktail time. I like it but I'm a sucker for bracelets and that one doesn't have one. It's also a little tall for my tastes so I likely won't ever buy one. Beautiful though!
And now the new white Cocktail time with blued hands and that sunray dial combines the SARX and SDGM design cues.
Hi Bruce... thats a very great review.. I'm looking for seiko with black dial, still confuse choosing between sarx035 & sdgm003. In your opinion, which one better?
i decided to pick up 033 and i am absolutely satisfied. this is my third Seiko.
rando tooming i still can’t decide between the 033 and the 035 it’s such a close call
rando tooming definitely the best option for the money though if anyone was to upgrade from either the 033 or the 035 it would have to be a grand seiko for a noticeable difference only drawback on the SARB models is the bracelet but that can easily be changed so it’s a pretty perfect watch in my opinion
Got the Brightz last year (003). The thing does away with my Omegas and Longines. Fantastic watch. Great to see a comparison. One point, I'd say the font and the Onyx give it that 80s feel which is exactly what Seiko were going for i think.
That's an awesome comment. Congrats on your 003!
First of all, great review mate...!
Must admit I own a lot of Seiko divers and was looking for a dress watch alternative within the Seiko lines.
Finally bought the SARB035 mainly because of the lume... ;-)
I completely agree with ya that lume isn't that important especially for a dress watch, but I wear my watch even when I sleep so it's always handy when you woke up in the middle of the night or you're in a dark environment to be able to read time.
As always Seiko offers at all price range the best quality for the money, case finishing is simply splendid, movements are robust and very reliable, and lume is the BEST on the market.
Was wondering to go for a SARX055 as a second dress watch, but still not 100 % sure, even if I simply love this watch...!
SDGM is also very nice with that cocktail dial finishing that's simply splendid and it's thinner that the real Seiko cocktail watches.
Nice to see them side by side. Brightz for me because of the dial.
I had a SARB for a while and really enjoyed it but all the gaps in the bracelet and clasp started to bother me so I sold it. Now I'm starting to miss it's classic seiko good looks and am wondering if the SARX might be for me but the 41mm gives me pause for my 6.75" wrist. I own other smaller vintage inspired sport watches (Speedbird 3) so maybe a modern sized dress watch would fit in my collection and I would come to enjoy it's size. Wish I could try one on.
I never understand why the SARX models are not more popular. I love them. I had all of these, and sold them on. I only miss the Brightz cream cocktail.
I do have a modern SARX Sharp Edge and wear it a lot. With the silly high prices for the SARB models, I have no idea why anyone would pay more for a SARB than for a SARX. It is madness.
I like how the polished center links on the sarx bracelet match the indices. I agree with you and would choose the sarx of the 3.
I would probably go for the white porcelain dial because I have too many black dial watches. If I didn't have a black dial I would definitely choose it as my favorite as you have. The black dial has an elegance like a glossy black grand piano if that makes sense.
That sarb is so good for the money. I have a nice Seiko 5 that is even cheaper and still feels quality but it shows it's limitations with the movement, crystal and bracelet but I am ok with that.
I also like lume on a dress watch for some strange reason, probably because it is Seiko lume. I would put the sarb on a nice black deployant leather strap and it would be tough to beat.
All bets are off when you get to Grand Seiko, it is in another league.
The bracelet has some great symmetry with the dial- that's a great point Sean. I guess quite a lot of people put the sarb on leather. Which I'm sure just improves the feel. Seiya sells a Seiko branded leather with a metal deployant that looks like it matches the case very well. Cheers!
I just picked up the sarb 033 and it blew me away the moment I opened the box
I´m thinking about buying one too, can you tell me more about it?
@@pedromonteiro2644 it could be a one watch collection, dressy, businessy, and casual enough to dress down, has a solid feel, good finishing, good bracelet, sleek dial, a little flashy, good movement with display back, I just picked up the sarb 035 too
@@pedromonteiro2644 how you got it while you could ?
@@Nofold3 since the prices have gone way up I picked up a Khaki King instead
@@pedromonteiro2644 yea i got lucky and got one in march for 380 on amazon
Didn't notice the font on the sdgm until you mentioned it. Now it's all I see and I can't stand it. Glad I haven't made my buying decision yet
Absolutely a great video! Thanks. Very helpful, and imo spot on analysis. I think I will go for the SARX, although I'm still a bit worried about the size and unfortunately I'm not able to try any of them since they are not being sold in the Netherlands. Thanks again.
I feel your pain. Since they are Japanese Market models you pretty much have to buy sight unseen
Don't worry about it too much.......first world problems! I'll survive ;)
Excellent review...thank you! I have both the SARB 33 and the 35. Great watches. The SARX looks interesting, however it screams for silver hands....not black (or what appears to be dark blue in the video).
Personally I like the fact it has dark hands, it contrasts the bright face and bracelet nicely and makes it very versatile to change straps!
Brilliant comparison of the 3 :)
Thanks 👍
love the SARX033
Sarb035 for me, as I prefer the handset and needle seconds hand, to me this looks like the most expensive handset.
Although I do like the SDGM001 for its dial colour and texture. I think off-white, champagne dials for dress watches look best for something different. Darker dials for diver watches in the collection.
I recently bought a SARB033,and in terms of overall appearance, it is arguably the most beautiful watch I have owned, and that includes the big names. I think Rolex et al could learn a thing or two about case design from the Japanese masters.
It's my first automatic watch and I picked the 033. Can't wait for the delivery!
Bacho Pacho good choice!
Personally i prefer the sarb035, the cream dial. I do appreciate the lume, love the size, adore the second hand with needle shape, and i wear it with black alligator strap.
I see you love Seiko watches. Great choice. I love them also but don't have much money so I had to settle for the Seiko 5.
That sunburst dial looks awesome.
If the SARB at 38mm is too small for your liking and you don't want to double-down for the SDGM or the SARX, the SARY055/057 is a good alternative. I believe its 40 or 41mm case and slightly cheaper than the SARB, slightly cheaper movement.
Yes, that one is a great option, I mention it in the video
If you love the cocktail dial but only have limited budget go get SARB065. It got the same price as SARB033 but with beautiful dial.
Excellent review Bruce! I am wondering if my wrist would be big enough (6 inch) for the SARX035. Any thoughts? Thanks for considering it.
really helpful video. Thanks!
I love all three watches but I can't believe you're getting a bracelet with pins at this price point, especially the newest one.
Lovely video
Oh those blued hands give me goosebumps.
They look so good
Watch size bands can you utilize on the SARX 20.... curious because I'm looking to get a SARX... Thank You......... Great view !!!!
such a good video. thanks for doing this.
Thanks for watching
awesome review for combining the watches together. its always hard to compare them side by side like that! Please point out the model numbers dimensions and lug sizes in your description!
Thanks for the comment, I added your suggestion to the description. Cheers
For a really low cost alternative, try the Seiko 5 model SNKL41. A beautiful watch that I bought recently for just £53 on eBay.
Yes I own it. It's an incredible watch for the price.
Another great video, loving the channel mate ;-)
Thanks Danny, nice of you to mention :)
Personally I'd get a sarb035 with the SARX bracelet. I'm good with the lume and I think this combination could do pretty well with a lot of people
I like your thinking. I was thinking about getting the Sarb033 with the SARX bracelet. I like the 38 mm size of the Sarb033.
I'd be curious to see if they are compatible. They have the same width but the diameters of the case are pretty different
Did anyone ever find out if you are able to fit a sarx bracelet to the sarb. I could even live with a retrofit clasp only, any ideas, info? great vid as usual Sir.
I got a Sarx035 bracelet on my sarb035. It did not want to fit exactly but dome struggling and it was on.
Tyler how does it look? Can you please post link to pic of the watch? The SARB bracelet is the only part making me wanting to sell it
Great job. Fantastic review
B scott thanks 👍
Would love to get the SARX with the bracelet from the SDGM.
I'd certainly go for the sarx033, simply gorgeous.
bought the sarx033 in japan today.
Excellent congrats!
Nice review, thank you. I have the Sarb, which I love, but agree with your comments. I also find the crystal seems to smear too readily. My next Seiko?....the Sarx.....I love those blued hands. Cheers!
Cheers Jean-Paul!
Once again a great video. I've been looking at the SARB and this video just confirmed my desire. What is lacking in "dressy' appearance to the other two is precisely why I want it. I want to be able to wear a nice casual watch and be able to take a dip in the water if the opportunity presents itself. I think the SARB fits the bill. Thanks Bruce.
Sounds like it would be a great fit for you! I don't think I ever swam with mine but I would be afraid to. I defiantly ran it under the tap and shower many times
I don't plan to swim with it. But I hang out at the beach a lot. I'm thinking a cool off dip wouldn't hurt it.
+Miamis4me I just noticed my typo. I tried to type- 'wouldn't' not would haha. Yeah a little dip in the ocean wouldn't hurt at all
sarb033 not 350 anymore :) happy i got one when i had the chance!
What I like about the SARB is the versatility. You can dress it up or down easy. I think the SDGM, in particular, would look silly with anything other than a dress shirt.
SDGM001
i own the sarb and just ordered the sarx
Had a sarb033 sold it to buy the Brightz with that dial, the drilled lugs...the bracelet....love the longer lugs on the brightz just think they balance the larger case better than the stuby ones on sarx. For me the brightz won good review👍