I’m A Paedophile, Not A Molester | Ask The Mask | Channel 4 Documentaries
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024
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‘Mouse’ is a self-confessed ‘virtuous paedophile’, meaning he has a sexual attraction to children, but has made the conscious decision not to act on those feelings and abuse a child. Here, he faces some very difficult questions from members of the public.
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I personally believe this man, was searching for love and acceptance from being bullied in his younger years by people around that age..
Sadly never grew out of it, it’s weird that us being monsters at younger ages can have such a catastrophic effect on someone when older, if they’d caught this at 13-14 he may have been able to rationalise process and move on. Sad really zz
Fruit for thought
I think the blue haired woman was the only one who should've actually been on this panel. She was the only one able to not let emotions get in the way and speak sense. Writing people like him off (non offenders) as a "lost cause" only serves to drive them further away from attempting to get help and further towards offending.
Exactly
Well said, Zara.
@jabiroReasons.
Nihilism.
Opportunities.
It's not a rule for them to offend, but there are reasons why they might.
There's barely such thing as a non-offender, I absolutely assure you that they own CP somewhere secret and are almost always caught with it. Viewing CP is offending (despite what this man says, he reworded a direct question, which leads me to believe he does have some form of CP) The other people on the panel are avatars for people who feel the same, people by nature are emotional, and their words reflect the exact thought of the many. You come off pretentious as fuck basically dismissing the input of "emotional" regular human beings, in favor of a clinical conversation.
I agree with you entirely and that is what I came to this comment section to mention. I wanted a genuine interview to find out purely factual information that wasn't skewed by emotion. This guy was clearly trying to defend himself against people who were actively judging him verbally and physically. If this was done in a legitimate setting with respect for the context of an informative interview then they would have conducted this, and should have, with a lot more professionalism. No. Let's get influencers to do the interview. I am not defending this guy at all, I am simply saying that it's a disgrace of an interview if they truly aimed for an unbiased piece of journalism.
His honesty is very informative, we need to pay attention to what he says and protect our children.
We don't know if he's being fully honest.
@@davidz3879but it’s the closest we’ve come to having an open dialogue with a paedo regardless of his level of honesty which is why this is so informative
@@davidz3879 The thing is about having that sort of attitude is that anyone on the panel or anywhere else could be a pedo and they aren't honest about it. You're sort of arguing that only people that are outwardly making a point out loud that they are disgusted by it aren't pedos which really obviously isn't the case. Like I have my suspicions that all these vigilante types that you see on the news occasionally like those are the real meta pedos.
@@jkfdkjjd I still wouldn't trust him.
Keep em of the Internet
My issue with this guy is that he admitted to intentionally putting himself in situations that have a high risk of him abusing a kid. Why are you volunteering at places with groups of kids?! He is intentionally tempting himself, and I don’t doubt he will “slip” at one point or another.
You have completely misheard what he said. He said pretty plainly that he knew he would not be a risk to the children when he volunteered. He did not in any capacity *intentionally put himself in situations that are high risk*. He does not feel as though he is a risk to children and yet still puts in precautions to avoid harm at all costs. Your belief that he will ''slip'' into harming children is unjust and frankly disgusting. It is very clear to me and to most that watched this interview that this is somebody struggling with a sexual perversion - a disorder of the mind. Something entirely uncontrollable and completely removed from any choice he could have made. Attraction is innate. Sexual perversions are medically recognized disorders. This person has in no way whatsoever done anything wrong.
@aliciaa4000 blah blah blah how do you know that? Check his hard drive I guarantee there's something dodgy on there.
You're assuming the reason he volunteers at places with groups of kids is for sexual gratification. We don't know where he volunteers or his motivation. As far as we know it might be a group for teaching children to make and fly kites because making and flying kites helped alleviate his anxieties growing up. I think what "Mouse" tried to get across is that his paraphilia is not obsessively compulsive as nymphomania/satyriasis. For all intents and purposes he could be anyone you meet. Maybe that teacher who seems to be harsh and overly disciplinary towards the pupils might be a paedophile, living BDSM scenarios in their mind and not that other teacher who seems to be very attached to the pupils claiming that they "get the kids, how they think and feel".
@@aliciaa4000I’m always suspicious of people who defend pedophiles.
He probably thinks he's Gandhi lmao
It’s not “virtuous” to not attack children. It’s a bare minimum requirement.
The whole point is that he's a paedophile - he fancies children. He's got a mental disorder. The fact that he's willing to shoulder the burden unlike others who do molest children IS virtuous. These people need help. Molesters need prison.
True, but it *is* virtuous to refrain from acting out of desire when those acts would hurt people. Up and down the country there are people who attack others because they ‘didn’t like the look of them’ or some other selfish reason. A paedophile who has never attacked a child has caused less harm than someone who knocked the s**t out of some random person on the street. The ones we need to worry about are the predatory paedophiles who put satisfaction of their desire before the safety of a child.
@thefuturist8864 are you joking? Just because he hasn't acted out on his desires yet doesn't mean he won't it's only a matter of time he needs to be put down before it's too late
@@thefuturist8864 how do you know he hasn't acted on his desires? We only have his word on that he literally went and volunteered amongst young children you have to ask yourself his motives behind that as he wasn't very forthcoming about them which is even more suspicious if u ask me.
@@thefuturist8864People don't realize how difficult it is.
It's straight up a neurological deformity with wires crossing between maternal instinct and sexual attraction. It's a constant INSTINCT in their mind like a constant intrusive thought.
Resisting it is very hard and we need to find better ways to help them cope these tortured individuals. These are people too, they feel disgusting and sick about themselves constantly.
Unfortunately the woman with the blue hair was the only interviewer with the intelligence and mental capacity to deal with this situation. Maybe use her alone next time
Agree, the other woman seems unpleasant to me.
@@sarnobat2000 and hearing him express this wasn’t? She’s allowed to share her distaste but why cast her as unpleasant. She actually asked a very important question that nobody touched based on. Whether or not HE *himself* was ab*sed as a child
How would you deal and cope with sitting in front of this disgusting piece of crap trying to justify his sickening attraction to kids and kid's as young as 7 year's old.
I think you would react just like every other human being who absolutely hates these disgusting things and get angry with him .
@@sarnobat2000Unpleasant are you for real, you think one of the women are Unpleasant and what the disgusting thing sat in front of her isn't for trying to justify his attraction to kid's as young as 7 years old.
@@thefrofairyhas nothing to do with the questions she asked, it was her energy and tone
I think the girl with the short hair hit the nail on the head with the last questions she asked and her summary at the end. There does need to be more open conversation around pedophiles being able to talk about their intrusive thoughts to enable all parties to understand and prevent any harm to children. This does NOT mean accept pedophilia but to recognise the problem and to get people the help they need to keep children safe. The more they are all demonised and labelled “a lost cause” the problems and issues are not being helped in any shape or form.
just a correction: intrusive thoughts are very different to this. people with intrusive thoughts don’t actually want to do or even think about the things they’re imagining. i understand the confusion but it can be quite stigmatising, especially as a lot of people struggling with pocd may actually think they’re p*dophiles when they are not
Nonce sympathiser. The ONLY known effective treatment for pedophilia is a bullet. The only other option is to jail/section him.
@@mookchie I understand what you’re saying especially around pocd and people believing things that aren’t actually true. Intrusive thoughts can still be thoughts that people might want to perhaps act on but hate that it’s a reoccurring thought in their mind. Trying to compare anything with the topic of pedophilia or relating to its thought process is a stigma nobody wants though so that I understand.
It’s tricky because essentially they are a lost cause. No amount of therapy will ever stop these people being attracted to children. Other than incarceration or chemical castration there is no way to stop them posing a danger to children
@@barryoffeastendersmaybe getting to understand them will help on avoiding children getting harmed by them
Tbh it must be horrendous to realise you are attracted to children
It really is- coming from experience ;-;
@@James_the_mpa wtf
@@James_the_mpasame man, I get it
@@James_the_mpalike I'm sobbing right now just now discovering help for it after years
@@James_the_mpa as someone who was abused as a child... please keep fighting your urges and never hurt anyone. Don't even purchase CP
If you're not emotional, intellectually, compassionately or educationally equipped to interview on this subject then don't. The damage can be significant. We need virtuous paedophiles to be open and talk about this, in order to protect children. If we shun, punish and judge the few opening that dialogue then we further push this underground, and by default, increase risk to children
I agree however as he doesn't go to therapy and he is actively and intentionally putting himself in temptations way (he volunteers with kids so he can perv on them). He's still a danger, it's only a matter of the time, it's the same with anything.
If he was as virtuous as he clams, he would make sure he didn't go around children.
@@paparoachluver4evahe went to therapy. What else can he possibly discuss with a therapist? Also I’d imagine it’s very difficult to avoid kids altogether
@@ThePrincessnady1well volunteering with children doesn’t make it any better 😕 if therapy don’t work then throw the dude in jail or kill them simple as that
I do agree, however i don't think ANYONE with these desires should be normalized, and therapy should be a must
@@sistamya9981 this will be problematic, pedophiles could reach up to 5% of the population
The fact that he has intentionally put himself in situations where he has access to kids is a recipe for disaster, its like putting a recoving alcoholic in a shop full of alcohol.
and the thing is the fact that it isn't even about having a relationship with them (in which would have some sort of barrier to first go through having a human connection before any of that other stuff), they are just mere objects of his desire - nothing different than a bottle of alcohol to an alcoholic.. so him being in those places is completely different than if he was a heterosexual around the opposite sex because at least there's on the same level - paedophiles are literally only about s** and that's exactly why they shouldn't be around them. so staying a pedo is pointless and only a recipe for disaster, they need to seek help.
The fact that hes ''accepted'' his desires and called himself a pedophile, as if it is a valid sexual orientation, shows how evil he is. Those thoughts are NOT normal. He needs to see psychiatrist. There needs to be some pedophile conversion therapy
@@infinitefather”paedophiles are literally only about sex” - what? How could you possibly know the psychology of a paedophile - assuming you yourself aren’t one - let alone make generalisations about all individuals who are paedophiles? Even in this interview the guy admits to being attracted to the personality of children. So I have no idea what possessed you to claim paedophiles only care about sex, and not love or anything else
@@pharaohhermenthotip1553 too bad they can't form a relationship with one. and no paraoh herment hotip, i am not a paedophile, maybe i just can't stand conversations with kids because there is no levelled conversation. what possible relationship could a pedo have with a fucking kid other than babytalk? thats nasty as hell, love that can't be reciprocated either which is just a delusion if u think that a kid would ever want to be with a fat old f*ck.
@@pharaohhermenthotip1553 That is not love! It can't ever be reciprocrated and frankly it is selfish. As a surviver, do you know what it does to a person as we grow up when we learn an adult befriended us just so they could use us or that they just viewed as an object of desire? He should be doing everything in his power to stop it, including not be around any children at all.
Protect our children at all costs
Definitely!!!
Probably the same parents who let their kids use tik tok and buy gta are saying "protect our children"
This is TRYING TO NORMALISE AND DESENSITISE US FROM HEARING FROM THESE SIK "PEOPLE"
@@shush97 dam bro bought GTA into this...
Too late
It cannot go understated, (whatever strong emotions this evokes in people), that anyone who is willing to speak openly about having these sexual inclinations, rather than keeping those thoughts to themselves so they escalate) should be encouraged to do so.
There needs to be a clear message for people like him, that help and rehabilitation is available if they’re willing to come forward. Much though that may pain some people, if we can’t offer that basic compassion for situations like this, you will end up with many more people getting hurt.
Finally someone capable of more than a tabloid kneejerk reaction!
Sounds like normalising to me. Let's understand them from a distant planet
They should be put in a mental institution !
Absolutely. Refusing to consider intervention before children are abused is effectively saying you are ok with more children being abused
Yes, like you, very very few (accept the paedos themselves) can understand this rubbish, probably like 0.02% of the male population - yes they live amongst us and we'd never know. But mate, listen up! There is no help for anyone to 'get rid of' a sexual fetish/fantasy - These people don't need to 'control' their urges, 1) they don't want/need to (it's their little secret) and 2) they will almost certainly never act on them because for the most part they are 'normal' and are integrated into society, raised by good parents, know right and wrong, have compassion and empathy and dont want to hurt an innocence of a child. The whole point of this nonsense being given air time is for paedophilia to eventually be accepted and normalised. welcome to the agenda of the progressive clown world we live in. The final word from the actors in this debacle was: ""I don't think he is an evil person, what I take away from this is that not all paedophiles are going to go out there and intentionally molesting children". - The programming of the masses and normalisation of paedophilia is coming. I hate this world"
blue haired girl was the only one who didn't villainise him and instead tried to understand him. if people understood them more then they'd be able to get the help they need and prevent any abuse from occurring. right now they're stuck not knowing what to do with their intrusive thoughts and desires.
What a surprise the lgbtq supports this
Imagine my surprise that a rainbow warrior was sympathetic towards a nonce....
@@danielcunningham6727FACTS
Wtf understanding about being attracted to children
@@moshibunz understanding them so we can prevent abuse from occurring. these people need therapy and serious psychological help. if they're met with hate it won't help.
You can tell by reading the comments here who has kids, and who just wants to be Batman.
As both a father of 2 and a Teacher, I think it’s utterly imperative that we don’t push these people into dark fringes through fear of physical harm.
Recognition is NOT acceptance.
Exactly. Saying "just lock up/kill him" is effectively saying we don't want to try to intervene before a child gets abused, let that first child be abused then we will act.
It's immature posturing.
Absolutely
There is no effective treatment for pedophilia. The only way to protect children is if he’s non-existent or jailed.
He performed charity work around children because he fancied them. He thinks about children when he engages in sexual activity.
The lack of insight in your comment is sickening.
@wokutoferati nope, not having that. If he chooses to go into "dark fringes" that is his choice, not something people made him do. Just like he chose to volunteer at a children's event so that he could eye them up.
These people and their actions are not only insidious but deeply damaging to children and their parents. I speak as a victim, abused at the ages of 5 and 6, now a mum to a 6 year old and a teacher. I do not feel sorry for him that he feels suicidal, I deal with those thoughts on a weekly basis due to the abuse I endured because one of them thought it was ok to fulfil their sick fantasies.
The only way to deal with these people is to isolate them from children completely. If that means shipping them off to an uninhabited island, so be it. The safety of children should be paramount in any society and while there remains no cure for these monsters, they need to removed from the society they share with children
@@ashadeofnightyou clearly lack the understanding. There is no treatment. Eradication is the only way
While i dont agree with him, as a victim of people like this, we need to make it to where people struggling with these thoughts have a place they can be open about it without judgement so we can get them the help they clearly need and prevent them from harming anybody. Once they've harmed someone, it is a different story.
Jail them. Only sure fire option. There is no effective therapy.
@@lj8549It does seem that that's the best option right now. Especially since he said that most of them are resistant to therapy. At the end of the day, protecting kids is the most important thing.
No one would come forward if it meant jail. You'd then have to wait for them to commit the act. It is better to treat it as a health issue and offer them suppressants so they don't have the urge act.
@MrMarvel1984 yes. This was my thinking. And jail doesn't solve the problem. It doesn't help. It just locks them away which is good at keeping them away from potential children they could harm, but not good at giving them ways to cope or healthy outlets for their feelings or anything else which would prevent harm to children later down the line.
You provided the first comment I agree with here . I’m also a survivor of abuse by a man like this. We should do as in Germany where the Dunkelfeld project allows treatment before they offend without reporting them to the authorities . I don’t believe they can help attraction to minors in the same way as I can’t stop being attached to adult women . We should offer help to them to prevent harm to children without fear of reporting while they have not offended . If they do offend they should be immediately reported to prevent further harm .
I don't believe for one second that he hasn't viewed child abuse images, the ease and temptation is far too great for people like him
Given he has come on this interview and admitted to something he knew would have him labelled as a monster, surely some trust can be given in that he’s already being very honest?
@@Philopolitico I guess, I believed everything else he said just not that
How do YOU know what they feel💀💀
@@Philopoliticonah he said that cos it’s illegal.
@@Dylan-it5vi it’s definitely a possibility. My point was that the law is definitely not the worst trouble he could find himself in if his identity was revealed. Yes, he could go to prison for admitting to that. However, the social stigmas - which don’t apply to only illegal activities - and the violence attached to those would be far worse in his likely estimation, don’t you agree?
It’s a mental disorder for sure, I’m sure he doesn’t want to be like this I can’t imagine anyone would but I’m thankful that he’s so open about it because we can learn a lot of information to keep our children safer.
Bollocks is it what has society become? We're now sympathising with paedo's?
Yes!! Very few mature, understanding comments in here, but yours is one of them. There's no point in them chastising him, he's trying to explain who he is and how he feels about things, but they don't seem to want to even listen.
@@melfarm9109you said it well
@@melfarm9109 found the groomer
@@melfarm9109 some of these people are parents, do you really wanna listen to a person that wants to r***** your chid?
It’s really scary that he’s been allowed to work with children and he doesn’t really realise that this ‘attraction’ is wrong he just danced around the question…
He does talk about the “stigmatising” affects about drawing comparison to homosexual relationships and his attractions, which is a clear declaration of his knowledge that it’s wrong surely?
Thats the thing, as he's never been convicted of actually doing anything, there's no mind reader to say he's attracted to them.
@@Philopoliticowell he still seems to think it’s okay for him to work with kids
What is more frightening is that we live in a society where the Government wants to Normalize Pedophilia with PR stunts like this that are trying to Normalize and Humanize these monsters.
The attraction in and of itself isn’t morally wrong, what’s wrong is to pursue action based off of that attraction
I am an adult attracted to adults and have not had a sexual relationship for almost a decade (and I am not old). It has never crossed my mind to sexually assault someone. I accept that if I never meet someone, I will never have a sexual relationship again. I don't really think about it much to be honest. I don't see why a paedophile can't think similarly. As much as I abhor paedophilia, I don't know why it is such a stretch for people to believe that they can't stop themselves offending. It is like saying you don't believe a single adult who is attracted to adults can stop themselves from being a rapist.
They're attracted to children. Don't expect them to have the same humanity as you. Do you know what happens when a child is abused....they cry and scream. That's the kind of shite that these fuckers are aroused by and fantasize about.
Wow, someone with a brain
Because it's a sexual paraphilia, being attracted to people your own age isn't. Sexual paraphilias are VERY strong, it's hard for the person having one to control themselves.
Your brain, attraction, and impulses, are that of a healthy person. Peds are not healthy, they are sick. Their urges are not compatible to those that are normal. They are abnormal and do not think like you think-or their wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
@Moonless87 this is false. Plenty of pedophiles and people with other sexual paraphilias can control themselves
Three things on my mind when watching this...
1) The pannel although restrained don't seem mature enough to be having this conversation (except on occasion the girl with the blue hair). Although it's an EXTREMELY uncomfortable position they're in, they seem more pre-occupied by trying to prove that they're the ones who are virtuous by not being paedophiles.
Instead of listening to what the guy is saying and thinking critically about how someone like this can be dealt with appropriately, they're instead waving pitchforks for everyone to see.
2) 'Virtuous' isn't the term I'd use. 'non-offending' seems more fitting.
3) They of course found a gay paedophile to interview, enforcing small minded stereotypes.
Well done channel 4...
I agree on all points you've made! This is a topic that needed professionals/academics who study this area.
I don’t think the panel were trying to act virtuous. I think they were deeply disturbed and somewhat emotional. But not virtuous. They had a normal, human reaction. Yes the conversation would have been different if they had a panel of people who didn’t let emotions guide them but I certainly don’t think the panel were acting self righteous in anyway.
@@liannawilliams5210But I think they wanted it to be discussed with everyday people.
I agree, I wonder if they had a panel of people in say 20’s, 40’s and 60’s maybe?
Yeah blue hair seemed to get the point of the interview the others didn't have the intelligence to actually grasp what they were there for.
I was molested at 6. When I tried to tell my sister and parents they thought I was making it up. This led me to start exploring sex with other children my age. The mental impact and turmoil that one incident caused me has ruined sex for me as an adult.
Do you now have blue hair and piercings?
@@Lv-hr2hhthat is such an inappropriate comment to make. You’re vile.
@@lj8549 So your response is to NOT understand it better and NOT learn how to deal with it more effectively? Do you realize your approach has led to countless people not getting caught for their crimes?
@@quantumblurrr- A lot of these people aren't terribly bright buddy and it's best to just leave them to their own devices.
@@lj8549it is not possible to jail every single p*dophile on the planet. and it is also completely immoral to put someone in jail who hasn’t acted on their thoughts. i know you want to be batman and act like there’s some perfect solution, but deleting videos like this and shunning them into silence will only make more children be abused. you cannot fix the problem without actually confronting the problem.
So I’m a psychologist and I find it interesting that we know so much of the science behind all types of people some would say are “abnormal” but so relatively little about these people. We have very little idea of how prevalent it is, precursors, individual differences… so many mysteries because it’s so taboo and even expressing a need to investigate rather than condemn is frowned upon. How can we fix what we don’t understand?
Edit: for the people saying “just seek therapy”…that’s a very shortsighted thing to say. There are no “gold standard” reliable therapeutic treatments for this because again we don’t know enough. Also, what are you willing to bet that most therapists or psychologists would report people with these feelings Immediately? It’s becoming increasingly clear that not all pedoph*iles act out their fantasies. Be interesting to see why/why not
I'm a mental health practitioner and I too feel the same concerning the dangerous space of research into such persons.
Probably something to do with the bit of our brain that controls our impulses you have probably heard of that story about the man who had a pole impale his head and he survived it but then his personality completely changed and would shout offensive things and act irrational maybe surgery could be performed in that bit of them brain to stop pedos from acting on their urges or from having them but I agree more research needs to be done on them
@bostonteapartycrasher I agree. When you look at the massive amount of allegations out there against celebrities, musicians, politicians, religious authority figures…Not to mention thousands of videos of normal civilians luring pedophiles into the open through social media.
@bostonteapartycrasherI believe it was relatively "normal" hundreds of years ago and up till recently. However these types of feelings collude with today's society and so that is a reason as to why so many people are being found out.
I am of course not defending them just pointing out how attitudes towards this were throughout history.
I actually have a theory their are more pdf files than there are gheys and lesbatrons
being sexually abused as a child continues to ruin my life. he’s confident enough to voice that he’s a pedophile and should be put on a list. especially as he volunteered to work with children. that should not have been allowed. he’s a danger to kids, even if he claims to not act on it. he shouldn’t be around them
Whilst I agree, people like this man who get therapy and do not act on their urges are the earliest example of treating this.
It's even more important when you realize people develop these attractions when they have been abused also. This is something that can just spontaneously develop.
Action won't be takes against him unless he's arrested, so he can volunteer without being detected or stopped.
@@davidz3879 Unless he commits an illegal act, he can't be arrested. If a person could be arrested for thinking about performing an illegal activity, quite a few of us would be getting our mugshots taken.
I too was sexually abused as a child. I'm so, so sorry that we have that in common, and for what happened to you.
I say that so you know how much I mean it when I say that, emotionally, I agree with absolutely everything you've said.
Intellectually though, being purely objective, I have to ask the question: We're attracted to men/women. Why is it that we're automatically assumed to be safe around them?
I think that's the point he's making. You don't choose who you are attracted to. But you do choose whether or not you become guilty of rape, or sexual assault. Being attracted to someone, doesn't in and of itself make you dangerous. And that must be true, else we'd all have some serious issues, not just a tiny minority of people.
It's a really, really hard subject to deal with. And it's not helped by the fact that mostly, we're lead by our disgust toward these people, or we don't want to think about it at all. Rationality tends to leave the room.
Really hope you're doing well.
@@FrostByteVoyager it’s a mental disease it can’t be fixed there are studies. In london they do electricity shock on there brain and it still don’t stop it
What he is trying to say is
We should NOT normalize pedophillia, but we SHOULD normalize treatment.
There's only one treatment and that's death
@@BulkBogan1920The same treatment works just fine for your autism.
@BulkBogan1920 and your psychiatric reasoning is?
That's not what he said or tried to say in any way. There is no treatment to pedophilia the same way there's no treatment to any other paraphilia. It's not a virus eating your brain, it's not a malfunction caused by something you can find and reverse. There is nothing you can do
@@Melancholian Edgyness I guess
It must've took huge guts to come forward and talk like this
He’s literally hiding behind a mask.
@@CravingSolitude so are you. we know what you've done.
@@CravingSolitudeyou're not that stupid are you that you don't understand why he is wearing the mask?
THIS IS NOT A SEXUAL ORIENTATION IT IS CHILD ABUSE
Read about early the Roman emperors, Hadrian, Caligula. Augustus, etc homosexuality and pederasty are brothers.
It’s not child abuse to be a pedophile. It is an involuntary thing. If you act up on it, then it’s a different thing
@@binghamguevara6814 listen dipstick if you think wanting to pound a dude makes you a child predator, your mother along with every other heterosexual woman in your life should be boiled in liquid feces for being pedophiles.
@@carloscastro1192Fr, no, it's not a sexual orientation, but it isn't child abuse if it's not acted on.
But he hasn’t abused children, so it’s not child abuse in his case. It’s a sexual deviance that he’s had under control.
Blue haired girl the only person who should’ve interviewed him the others contributed nothing
I agree, only speaking with emotion, shouldnt have been there.
Really ?
Most child abusers aren't even paedophiles. It's usually about the power rather than the attraction.
the questions they're asking are so stupid
'so do you watch like tv programs and stuff and look a kid and be like "i fancy him"?'
uhhh obviously? he's a peadophile?? 💀💀
The panel aren’t exactly bright 😂
I think Channel 4 was trying to be as diverse as possible with this panel 😂
@@noelynoelnhblue haired girl only one who got the assignment
We live on a sick sick world protect your kids at all costs. I am a victim, my dad abused me for years and I’m 29 years old and struggling with my mental health, the best way to explain this sort of trauma is being dead but alive constantly reliving it everyday, everyone says you’ll heal in time therapy will help I have tried everything but having your own dad abuse you for years is something I’ll never get over the only thing I can do is try and expect it and live with it . The struggles I had to face is severe depression , PTSD, anxiety, schizophrenia. With his childhood trauma it really does ruin your life no matter how strong you are.
Incest abuse survivor here. Schizoeffective, ptsd, Hospitals, addiction… it ruined my whole life. I’m sorry but im with you stranger. ❤❤❤ someday they WILL pay. Thats my only comfort. Love yourself.
chidhood sexual experience does not cause depression, anxiety, PTSD or schizophrenia, you're a liar
There is no proper healing, ever. I'm so sorry but it doesn't help anyone to pretend children recover. We can learn to cope better with life, and we can get treatment for our symptoms, and we can work on learning to like ourselves more, to stop hurting ourselves, but we are marked forever. It's why we need to have no tolerance for these men at all, ever, and not offer them an ounce of forced compassion.
They deserve nothing.
@@sia9907 recover from having sex with someone? seriously? You're just trying to justify your intolerance. And paedophiles deserve freedom and dignity because "all people are equal in their dignity and rights"
@@galaburdakirill2 I don't need to tolerate child rapists and if you want to imply I'm somehow bigoted for calling out predatory sadists, go for it. Your victims are children because you're weak and powerless. Don't take on adults and expect to win.
We need to address this. We can't banish them from society as we don't have the practical ways to do it. They have always been here and they won't go away so we need to help them in order to protect children.
Spade them
@@nicnac9147how would you even find out who they are? 😂 No one is going to volunteer to die
@nicnac9147 "Here at B&Q we have nonce-spades once for 49.99! - Make a house a home"
too bad pedophilia only became a taboo in recent years. Historically, people could marry as young as 13, and there was no age of consent
The fact that this guy came on and give this interview should be be some credit. He has provided an insight many don’t realise it could be a disease that can be cured… there are so many when you watch the programmes that it shouldn’t be dealt with so hastily. To resolve any issue you must go to the source / paradigm of why, only than an answer will present itself … by understanding which genes and life experiences equal to these thoughts, maybe there is a possibility to switch them of or re enhance them to not be that way …
I know people that have worked with nonces in n rehabilitation programs and the same thing is always said. There is never any changing them.
This shit is hardwired into their broken brains, just like a psychopath, it's impossible to make them normal.
He came on and hit his face ? He could be anyone he could be a sex offended already 😳 all they want is to be normalised and that ain’t going to happen thank got !
We should care more about children then these dirtbags
lmao yeah okay, since when was their any kind of 'therapy' that ever cured sexual orientations, they tried it with homosexuals in the 60's, did it work? the answer is a BIG-FAT NO! sexual desires and fantasies are a phenomena, they have tried to understand them for long time - never have, never will. They ingrained into all of us from an early age and are completely individual with some evolutionary aspects involved. Why do some people have r8pe fantasies? and if you can find out why they do, will that stop them from fantasising about them? NOPE! wake up, the only reason this trash is even being given air-time is so that one day it will be accepted as normal and these comment threads prove that the progressive all inclusive, politically correct morons in the clown world we live in today, is doing just that! accepting this nonsense.
There is NO effective treatment for pedophilia.
The only way to protect children is if he’s in jail or non-existent.
I’m so with you here we need these conversations in order to find the answers and stop this in the tracks and ‘virtuous’ peadophiles or whatever people want to call them should have services readily available in order to best support them in maintaining abstinence. If we find a way for these people to come forward we will be able to protect children in the long run that’s the ultimate goal for everyone no matter what side of the debate you stand on xx
If anyone finds themselves attracted to anyone but adults, they need to get into therapy _immediately._ There is something very, very wrong with this guy.
I agree 100% but what peroan if they were to Sunderland relise they’re a nonce would ever go to therapy and admit this
Hmmm...so....you want kids to only be attracted to adults in that statement?
There is no effective therapy aside from a bullet
@@johnchemo4248obviously they’re referring to adults. use ur brain kiddo
@@jorose8842 Hmmm...no, it says 'anyone' and anyone is 'any person or people' according to the dictionary definition, which is non-specific...!...even your little buddy snoopy knows that...pal...!
As much as i despise his state of mind, i am very glad of his honesty and truth. He's atttacted to children and can't help it. Its not a conscious decision and he is mentally ill. As much as we must protect children, i feel sorry for him. He is a victim of biology. He's had been dealt a bad hand and a defunct brain. He's very brave to come forward, whatever else may be said that is horrible about him. I since he hasnt harmed anybody, he deserves compassion and therapy. If we could get to more pedophiles before they offended and got them help, maybe we could make the world better.
Should be locked up then like we do with suicidal people!
@@dondamon4669 We help suicidal people.
He's not being honest, he's lying to himself. He doesn't think he's a risk to children.
@@RandomName-my2uo if he was, he wouldn't have come forward. He's been honest about his brain. Lock him up, and all we do is make sure that more pedophiles never speak up, and cause much more harm. Your attitude puts more people at risk. His thoughts are not crimes. No thought is a crime. At some point in your life you've thought about killing someone. Definitely. So have I. Everybody has. Does that mean we need to lock you up? No of course not. Our actions define us. Not our thoughts.
You’re either a NONK yourself or just as bad, I’d have you against the wall too…
The voice actor needs an oscar this is a brilliant performance
This is FASCINATING. I've always thought this, that there's a HUGE difference between thoughts and actions. If I imagine murdering someone, but don't actually do it, I won't go to jail. And therefore I think it's unfair to jail someone if they haven't actually harmed a child. I'm glad this person was able to have this conversation and he's right, we should be able to have conversations about this so people are able to have therapy without fear of losing job or losing their lives etc.
The difference is, you haven’t fantasised about killing someone, Nor do you face a daily internal struggle to prevent yourself from doing it.
Thinking about something and having it as a desire are two very different things
@@barryoffeastenders everybody has sexual desires. If a normal man spends every day attracted to women, does that make him an innate rape threat? Gay men in the 40s wouldn't be able to come out or seek help, or act on their desires, much like this guy today. What was the not-so-humane solution back then?
@@barryoffeastenders Fantasying is irrelevant, she’s not arguing the sexual component - what she’s saying is there’s a big difference between thoughts and actions.
@@crazycatpetera1404 There’s a difference between thoughts and desires. These people desire something objectively immoral, here not just thinking about it. They want to do it and have to battle those desires. That’s the difference. They are and for the rest of their lives will be a danger to children
Exactly why I'm against criminalizing speech.
Instead of being angry we need to pay attention to what he is saying, I do believe there are people like him who isn’t abusing children and never will. It’s kind of like if you’re addicted to drugs but you’re choosing to not do them because you want sobriety.
Exactly
if he believed anything he said, then he wouldn't go out his way to purposely be around children. he says he will never offend but is always around them. "virtuous p3d0s" need to be put in mental hospitals until they get well, i cant believe society is protecting their identities and letting them run free. its a huge risk.
You can’t be addicted to something you don’t do 🤦🏼♀️
Even in that case, it's best for addicts to avoid the substances. Ex alcoholics shouldn't hang out in bars and people like mouse guy here shouldn't be around kids.
I highly doubt he’s never viewed explicit content of CSA -
that was a lie.
Of course he's going to lie to that..he doesn't want to incriminate himself
So how many of them have viewed it?
Also if you know you have those thoughts, why would you put yourself in a volatile situation like volunteering with children? It’s really not that hard to make sure that children aren’t in your working life and limit social interaction with them. Because he doesn’t do that, he has kept himself as more of a risk/threat than he thinks he is.
It's more likely that he signed up for volunteering and that was the task he was placed on. To say anything would be to raise suspicion that hes a pedophile which is obviously a threat to his life.
I think he seems to also believe that he likely cannot go his whole life without encountering a single child, so its better to actually be able to behave normally around them than intentionally hide away and not develop any sort of resistance.
It's a really difficult situation
This is why they should come out and be put on a register so they are not allowed near kids even if they think the my won’t do anything
What parent would want that near there children? Should be allowed
@@goddz6145but why would they be put on a list if they haven’t done anything wrong…?
@@ThePrincessnady1 this lady again! Are you his girlfriend ?
@@ThePrincessnady1 sicko.
I’ve always thought about this (I’m a teen myself). People are so quick to judge non offending p3dophiles and z00philes but imagine how much it must hurt to realise that you are that way. My heart goes out to those people.
It can hurt some people, but, for others, it is a bless... ;)
@@rodrigobonzanini8235are you an offender or want to offend?
@@chipkid, ye that guy seems off. Look at his other comments, what he says is disturbing.
It would be better to let the woman with blue hair host the whole conversation because she apparently has the intelligence capacity to bring out more information through an interview than the other 2 people,who made the conversation more centured aroung their own feelings.After she asked if there is an option to not be around the children,I cannot believe the toppic immediately changed to something else by other hosts.If she had all the control we might get more out of the man's mouth not just let hem beat around the bush.I supposed this is a program focused on the social topic,not a chill youtuber podcast focusing on the host's personality and reaction to profite of making the audience feel relatable.Loads of journalists have interviewed people who have actually commitied horrible crimes,and they remained professional,almost "invisible".
Also the camera constantly focus on those people's facial reaction while it's the guest who's talking.Maybe it would be a good idea to learn from other programmes,where the producers bring all the attention to the conversention itself
100% agree with you.
She feel so sorry for him and buy into his Bullshit .
He said the men he's been involved with didn't have a problem with it. Were they like him?
Of course its other men....the rainbow brigade can't seem to help their disgusting urges.
Probably didn’t care one way or another
The fact this guy, who hasn't committed the crimes, WOULD lose his job, life, friends and everything if he did this interview maskless should make us ALL look deep.
Been saying this for years, providing support networks for these NON OFFENDING sexual deviants would long term create less offender's.
Ditto. Very well said. The girl in the middle was just stupid. She was hearing but wasn’t listening and made up her mind about him long before he started talking. To her it didn’t matter what he was saying. That’s the very definition of dumb, and why we have so many offenders, people just refuse to listen and prefer to just shun. Well guess what, we can’t just get rid of them, cause to start and end with we don’t know who they are. So maybe we should listen! And as you said make it safe for the non offenders to share their deviant tendencies, so as to minimize the number of offenders.
@@selmahare exactly. Treat them as Patients NOT criminals before they start offending. I can imagine these people find it very difficult to supress these urges. Forcing them to live alone with it, suppressed and hidden from everyone is bound to create deviants.
As long as he hasn't acted on it (molested) I can't be mad at him. It must take a lot of self-control to not do something that you would want to, but that would make another person suffer. We all make choices every day, and to not molest is a moral choice.
that being said, he should seek help. those who really love him will listen to him and support him, those who dont wont. he doesnt have to disclose it to everyone, he can be smart about it. if he loses everything he worked for and everyone he knows, then too bad.
im currently in therapy for my own thoughts. my mom loves me and supports me, and she would happily take a dozen bullets for me. if there is help to get, GET IT. i dont ever wanna hurt a child, and id much rather sacrifice my own happiness than end up hurting someone else out of lack of control. NOT ACCEPTING HELP IS EGOISTIC AND IMMORAL.
🔥 you never know if the demon is gonna escape, and if it does, youre gonna be sorry. kill the demon before it has the potential to hurt someone. BETTER YOURSELF, this applies to any situation. you owe it to everyone else.
@@dmrgen I don't know if you suffer from listening problems or cognitive problems, but either way you seem to have missed the part where he explained that it's literally not possible for him to safely seek help at the moment. If he does, he will suffer consequences, even if he's not any flavour of criminal.
Or am I misunderstanding you? Are you saying you're also a paedophile who's managed to seek help safely? If so, that's probably the only case we'll ever know of it happening. The average level of cool-headedness a therapist has is not enough to refrain from spilling these secrets to whichever legal organisations he or she sees fit.
Kinda feel bad for people who just get cursed like this from factors they can't control
"Why wear a mask?" Why do you think? Maybe it's because most the room won't even wont even try to understand the problem and will be the one's with pitch forks and torches at his door later that night....
I thought the panel was dumb up until that question. After that question, I knew for certain.
Yes that's a harsh reality
The girl with the blue hair shouldve done the whole thing tbh. The others brought fuck all to the conversation
lmao
I think the lady with the blue hair was perfect for this interview. She drew him out and we can understand more through listening to him. Obviously, this is very difficult listening, but we need these conversations.
He chose to be around kids but won't say why.
Don't take a genius to work out why as much as he may deny it he volunteered for one purpose and one purpose only...
@@danielcunningham6727 He also doesn't say why he goes on forums to communicate with similar men. He sems to be involved as part of that community.
@davidz3879 exactly! There's alot to this that don't make sense if I was a betting man I'd say he's definitely offended before he's just never been caught sick freak thinks he has the moral high ground because he claims to not act on his fantasies.
It's not hard to figure out. Why do men go to the beach, where bikini-clad women are? Why do women like to watch muscular guys doing muscular activities? It's the same with him.
I hope that people like this can eventually come out and get the help that they desperately need. If they haven't done anything illegal, they shouldn't be prosecuted. But they need the help before they eventually can get to the point of doing something illegal.
I’m attracted to woman but it doesn’t mean I’ll ever be a rapist. So I think (hopefully) the same applies to him
@@andrewblunts-ringwalks4508 you think that's the same? are you brain damaged? A women can consent a child can never
@@andrewblunts-ringwalks4508 obviously the same applies to them. Liking different demographics doesn't suddenly make your impulse control poof out of existence.
I do think there needs to be a place they can go to talk to someone/get treatment without fear of getting exposed or reported. Hopefully that would help protect children.
Excatly, That's the only way.
This is such a difficult topic. I think it just shows that as with psychopaths or narcissists, humans are not all born the way we wish they were, but often born with traits/wiring that can be incredibly harmful to society. I’m not sure if blaming them really helps. Anyone with these tendencies will know full well that acting on them is entirely unacceptable. Maybe offering help to deal with these horrific thoughts would be more productive and prevent crime, than demonising these people. Just a thought.
They can't be helped
@@Mary-dk7mc They can have therapy and chemical castration plus other medications to basically give them no sex drive at all which could prevent them from acting on it
Sad cos they’re gonna have to be put down
Doomed from the start.
@@Harry-fk5of maybe but they’d be too scared to speak out.
@@omokok1877 That's the big problem isn't it? We as a society want to eliminate minors from being sexually harmed yet we are not providing any treatment for Paedophile. I am sure many of them want to get help, but your whole if fucked if someone finds out.
I think as a society we need to accept these people are out there and if we don't act on helping them change their ways innocent children will be hurt.
@@SillyHStudiosgross
You're completely and utterly correct. That's the only way to help make sure children don't get abused.
Yes 👏👏👏 help them not Diss them
They cant be cured so what help can you give?
How about try learning about it first.
You cannot control your thoughts but you CAN control your actions. I am not at risk of cheating on my husband just because I am around other men I am sexually attracted to….so…give this guy a break.
When asked has he ever viewed indecent images, he paused before answering. This tells me that he has either tried to find such material, or has taken sight of it.
Not only that but he chose his words very carefully and spoke slowly. His speech pattern was very different from every other time he spoke. Increddibly suspicious, he needs his hard drive frisked.
You’re not right babe 😂
@@jack-gn4yl it's a voice actor, says in the beginning. you're diagnosing the wrong person.
The guy is probably in his 20s. I would be more shocked if he hasn't tbh. Does this mean he is viewing those now? Probably not.
wow, this is amazing and gives a clear insight into this condition. The panel are pretty self-righteous in regard to this guy's openness, he's actually very brave to discuss this topic
Nonce.
Pedos are brave yeah? You’re a NONK and I’d have you against the wall too….
I don't know if you will ever see this, but thank you for being so brave and doing this. This had to be heart-stoppingly scary, and regardless of the issue at hand, your bravery needs to be commended. Thank you.
You Nonce Supporter
@@sullyqureshi676”NoNce SuPPoRtEr” 🤓
@@sullyqureshi676bro definitely didn’t pass kindergarten.
@@sullyqureshi676another man child.
@@CSWdenji69your pic says it all you nonce
The girl on the right was the only one who asked structured and very valid questions
No she was not, she was asking some very dangerous questions as if she was trying to compare his disgusting thoughts with homosexuality (and there are a very small minority of LGBT who want paedophiles to be a recognised sexuality which, of course, it can never legally be) and her struggles with it in her own life.
@@raoulduke344 maybe she sees a connection between the two, it's not a dangerous question, it's a valid one, it all comes down to statistics
@@mrisor892 children cannot consent. Paedophilia is not a sexuality.
@@raoulduke344 I agree, my point wasnt the points made, it was more that the girl on the right style of questioning was more structured, the other two seemed more like two chavs.
@@mrisor892 Sorry, my mistake.
Trainee psychologist and helpline counsellor here. I have supported many survivors of sexual abuse and a few perpetrators. I can only speak for here in the U.K, but our approach to dealing with paedophiles is wholly inadequate. Whilst it's natural to feel hatred, suspicion and disgust at paedophilia as a non paedophile - if ee let this get the better of us, as we often do, it pushes them underground and more dangerous.
We need to have honest, open conversations and provide services so that we can support people to have ethical, loving and respectful relationships across the board.
"Virtuous" and "pedophile" don't mix my nigga
True. But it’s all relative, to him it’s virtuous since he’s stopping himself. But to everyone else it’s not because it’s not even a thought that crosses their mind.
@@CSWdenji69 and also the fact he feels proud enough to brag about it
@@FrancisTheBerd his also a dumbass
@@FrancisTheBerdhardly proud when he is hiding his identity
The gay girl is an empathetic person. I just find it difficult to call someone inherently bad for an attraction they had no choice over.
You have choice
They do have a choice do some basic research
@@Bot-rp7rj and the research will rewire their brain?
As a gay guy myself, I am very sensitive to the horrors of conversion therapy. It drove so many people to death. We should be careful not to inflict harm in the name of trying to prevent potential harm.
Of course the rainbow warrior feels sorry for him....
@@sphumelelesijadu🤮🤮🤮
Without committing the crime. These people need help in order to prevent the crime happening.
Not all of them needs help, there are many cases where no help is needed because the urges are under control, or not exist at all
I've gotta say, I would also not be comfortable with someone who had these feelings when I had a kid with me, but I also think it's quite sad when you do have those feelings and there's nothing you can do about it, I do feel compassion for those who do not act on these thoughts and feelings and definitely don't see them as bad people. Imagine you discover that you're like this when you're a young adult and all the guilt and inner turmoil it comes with, it must be awful. Also estimations say 1/100 have these feelings so most of us have met people like this...Zero compassion for those who actually act on it though, that's inexcusable.
More updated estimates have raised it to 5%. I don't remember if that's been publicly released.
Frightening!!! The word virtuous does not belong with the word pedophile!!!
Evidently it does. Lol.
it doesn't, this seems to be a way to somehow humanise / normalise pedophilia
@@juntus89I T S H O U L D N T
Why?
I commend “Mouse” for his willingness to overcome the stigma society has attached to his predilections. I also very much appreciate the willingness of the lesbian parent to be open to understanding that we absolutely need to be better educated about pedophilia, and that we need to educate our children on this as well. Ultimately, we need to educate everyone on issues of consent and what consent means. Anyone beneath the widely recognized age of adulthood, which is 18 years of age, cannot ever maturely consent to sexual relations, with anyone. If we are going to protect our children, we must start respecting them not as property, but as people. And, we must act accordingly. We need a dialogue with our children as much as with pedophiles.
He's intelligent I don't believe he's honest. Admitting to a legal crime on RUclips isn't in his best interests of course he'd say no. People have sexual urges and look for an outlet. He has an outlet of some type.
He shouldn't be volunteering with kids present. Its an excuse to oogle the kids at those events. Hes testing his own self control and eventually he might not be as strong willed as he says he is.
@@roseredremix it's called lolicon
You need to be better educated about paedophiles. Giving them the space to lie to people helps nobody.
@@sia9907 not checking them also help nobody
and even help predators do their thing
For people struggling to understand, compare to OCD. These people have obsessive, intrusive thoughts which they can try and suppress. However, they just come back stronger and they perform the behaviours to get some relief. Alternatively, think of a time when you had an intrusive thought and you tried to stop thinking about it- often trying to stop thinking about it makes it harder for the thought to go away. Now imagine you’re this person who has this morally wrong attraction and can’t help it. It’s intrusive. Consciously, the most he can do is seek therapy and support (although there’s still so much stigma) and not act on these urges. But at the end of the day, it’s something you cannot control yourself. This individual is doing the right thing for shedding light on peodophillia and by them sharing can even result in some research to find out the underlying issue (if there is one).
You don’t have to fully understand. However, promoting awareness and encouraging people to speak out is the best step to prevent people acting upon these thoughts/impulses.
Don’t ever compare it to OCD. People with OCD do not want to act on their thoughts. Pedophiles do.
@@graveburgersIt’s clearly comparable to OCD, especially where compulsion is concerned. We might not *like* to compare it but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do so, especially if it could give a greater understanding of a condition such that we can make children safer.
@@thefuturist8864 But he's also attracted to men, so how does that work as an orientation? Why can't he stick to adults?
@@graveburgersit’s actually very very similar
@@ThePrincessnady1 no it’s not. There is no effective treatment for pedophilia, and you are clearly a sicko.
They need to understand that he is saying out loud the dark thoughts that everyone has, tho they vary in degree of social rejection or immorality. I have had some crazy thoughts I would never share with other people. What makes the difference is whether you act on it or put energy into obsessing over it or feeding those thoughts. That’s what makes a person…not your thoughts, but your actions.
That said, this is a very complicated subject. I wish there were more therapists out there that people could be 100% open with.😢
Its good that he doesn't act on it and he's honest about it rather than abusing children secretly
Holly was great in this, empathetic but firm
Like he said when he was asked why he apparently hasn't viewed csa material his response was "because I'm aware of the consequences " which tells me he only hasn't offended yet because he's scared of being caught.
I think he said that from an ethical standpoint as in his sexuality must be restrained not just so that he doesn’t face the rule of law but mostly because his sexual pleasure shouldn’t allow him destroy a child’s mental state. He knows there’s something wrong with him and he knows that acting on his feelings will beget suffering and likely cause the child to be permanently damage. It’s often said that many paedophiles were victims of paedophilia themselves.
@skepticalandconcerned so why not say that then? I'm sorry but I can smell a rat when I see one if he hasn't offended he's atleast viewed csa
I am not defending him, as I do not care for these type of people, but this comment rubbed me the wrong way. You said " he only hasn't offended yet because he's scared of being caught"...yet if that was the case, why would he do an interview on national TV?
@JamieMXNicol you mean with his identity completely hidden? If there was no mask I'll bet everything I own he wouldn't of done it why would such a minor comment apparently rub you the wrong way?
Bingo. I don't think any pedophile truly feels guilty for their attraction, they primarily feel shame because of the stigma. If there wasnt stigma, no pedophile would have a reason to feel shame.
I think it's awesome he's come out and talked about it. Children may have been saved from this. If he feels it's in his brain, and he can't control it the same as we can't control being attracted to our peers, I think him coming forward to talk about it is way better than stuffing it in until something horrible happens. I know how everyone feels... they HATE his guts and I understand I have 4 kids I totally understand the hate towards someone like him, but I always think of the other side I have a constant "issue" with seeing things from the other persons view right away, and i also was a drug addict and I felt like it was something I couldn't change in my brain and i knew everyone would shame me for it, but if I would've just came out and talked about my love for drugs maybe I wouldn't have done the things I've done. Idk, I'm not even sure what im saying but I know this is a VERY touchy subject but IF, and only IF, it's something they literally can't control, then I think we need to talk to them more and be accepting of them coming forward (if it's BEFORE they've done anything to anyone) bcuz if the whole world hated ME for being attracted to grown women, and everyone was gay and being gay was only accepted, I'd have to live my whole life sexually frustrated bcuz if I even looked at pictures of grown women I'd be imprisoned. That would be nuts. Like idk what I would even do... But on the other side, it has to do with children and we need to protect them at all costs. This is such a hard topic man I hope we come up with a way to protect these children even more, even if that means to help ppl like this.
revealing his identity will save children
@@WinterStonesIf everybody knew which child would grow up to become a pedo once they were born.. Would you think the world would be a better place for everyone? What would this world look like for those people? Would they be born into a life excluded from everyone? Would it be hidden from the public until they became adults, and then isolated from the rest of society without warning? Would they be killed on the spot? If we were to fund research into "curing" this brain thing,and it happened to be actually possible.. And that it was proven to work the same way as any other attraction.. That would open up the Pandora's box necessary to validate every gay conversation camp in history.. If that was to be the case.. People could straight faced (no pun intended) say that being any orientation is a choice, and be proven as correct.. All my comment is, is just hypothetical future scenarios, (as of yet anyways, lol) nothing else, and I don't strongly believe in one direction or the other that anything I wrote either will or won't happen.. I just find speculating scenarios (no matter thier likelihoods) to be entertaining..
Describing himself as virtuous is a ridiculous boast.
Did he seem proud to you?
@@Maxibo234 No, but he's trying to legitimise himself & thinks he deserves credit for not acting on his urges.
@@davidz3879he didn't come up with the term, it has been around for years and was coined by a news agency in America.
@@FrostByteVoyager It's the first time I've heard it.
The term has been around for decades. He didn’t coin it.
He needs to get help ASAP and it needs to be continuous. Not be around children, like treat it as an addiction. These people exist and we need to help them, jail is not prevention.
How is jail not prevention? …it would help him, it’d ensure he didn’t offend.
@@lj8549 He'd likely meet others like him in prison & offend with them after being released.
How is it not? If they're in jail they cannot offend so please explain how that does not help? Only thing that would be sufficient in my opinion is to make then take a permanent dirt nap.
@lj8549 That's effectively saying we don't want to try to intervene before a child gets abused, let that first child be abused then we will act.
Because if its instant jail for coming forward for help none of them would. Which equals those first victims.
@@lj8549Wow, can’t believe you want children to get abused first… interesting/brave stance.
I think what's most infuriating to me is that they're all glossing over the part where he said it's NOT HIS CHOICE to have this attraction, and he's a non offender that can be attracted to other adults.
Moral panic and ignorance has clouded generations around this topic. They're too stupid and unable to think critically. That blue female was probably the only one who had more than one action potential going between her neurons.
Sorry but there's nothing 'virtuous' about him. Being attracted to a child is disgusting under every circumstance and anyone who believes otherwise lacks morals.
Can't agree with you, his brain is clearly messed up and you can't blame a mentally ill person for what happens in their brain. Him not abusing children requires massive strength for it and I wish him the best and respect him for it
Don't claim you have morals when you can't see the obvious
Literally, he is going to make all these people feel sorry for him and see pedos as less of a threat and like vulnerable people
@dresdi "I didn't kill anyone ever! Look how good and virtuous I am! ... I don't promise that I won't do it some day tho 'cause the call is just too strong" 🤡
Being attracted to a kid is weird, but if that's something that he's born with and can't do anything about, then I don't think that he's to blame. If he hasn't done anything against anyone, then I don't think that we should be hostile towards him. Just having a thought isn't a disaster itself, it's what you do with it or not that counts.
@@earthcitizen3939And being a pedo while intentionally putting yourself around children is most definitely something he can control, so I say this guy is obviously immoral and a disaster waiting to happen.
Reminds me of Ross Kemp doing a prison visit. He was in a cell with someone who was in for that sort of thing. The inmate said that in his view the kids might have 'enjoyed' it.
The look on Kemp's face... he was absolutely speechless.
I watched that can't lie he's a better man than me I wouldn't of been able to keep my hands off his throat.
How is this the same? Mouse has never sexually abused a child or viewed cp. Totally different
@@benny1089agreed. This comment really pissed me off.
Society DESPERATELY NEEDS more research and peer reviews of this specific subject.
This is one of the most extraordinary experiences ive had as a viewer. Thank you for providing us with this and enable these individuals to ask the questions, we ourselves have.
This person is obviously VERY SICK and needs urgent help. He IS a risk to himself and others for all he is willing to speak about it
What help fo YOU propse he could get
@@goyonman9655 he should immediately seek a chemical castration. So many people here are claiming therapy and psychology can't help fix his brain. So since he has horrific sexual urges and insists on volunteering with children, he should also volunteer to medically remove his sex drive physically.
@@goyonman9655 Stay away from children. Get therapy. Spread awareness.
@@goyonman9655 he's mentally ill. Self explanatory
Should’ve just had the blue haired woman interview him, cause the other two weren’t there to talk about ways to solve and rehabilitate-they were just letting their emotions get in the way.
Sorry for being weirded out by the literal pedo lol
I would bet my life that he has viewed illegal images of children at some point. ‘Virtuous’ 🙄
Then how many of them have? If you take a random paedophile, are you going to assert that they simply must have viewed stuff?
I find the older I get, the older the people I’m attracted to get. To be attracted to an age rather than for example, a certain gender or certain looks in a person is not really a sexuality. They are attracted to the innocence and naïveté as they like the power and control.
Please report/dislike/unsubscribe if possible; it’s the only way to have the video taken down or voluntarily removed.
he never said he's attracted to an age... you just made that up. infact... he said he's as attracted to adults as well... maybe re-watch the video
are you male or female? just curious
@@ItsEasyJustLift sorry but I don’t take advice from paedophile sympathisers. He did indeed state his age of attraction is about 7 years old and the fact he’s into adults as well is only incidental, it doesn’t make him a “better” paedophile.
@@rattlemccage7356think you need to learn how to focus on one thing at a time, maybe get an attention span. As what I heard, is 7 is the YOUNGEST he finds attractive. Not the age he goes for. There's a difference.
The nerve to try and paint this child predator in any form of positive light is absolutely disgusting
think that’s a bit of an over reaction really. they aren’t trying to portray child abuse in a positive light but understand and reduce offending which in reality reduces victims.
literally, thats their plan, to make us see him as vulnerable.
Right they are sick they need to be researched on and kept an eye on I do agree that they need help or else they will just end up hurting a child after they get thrown into jail plus he purposely surrounded himself with children wtf so disgusting if he is so scared the last thing he should be doing is volunteering with children
How is this positive ¿
He is not a child predator as he has not offended YOU are the disgusting one
This was irresponsible to put out. Pedophiles need to seek psychiatric help, punishment after the crime does nothing, preventing these people from hurting children is the only way to protect children. People like this need to be encouraged to speak to professionals without the fear of judgment because we need to know who they are and stop them before they abuse children
Yes
The girl in the middle was the very definition of stupid. She was hearing but wasn’t listening and made up her mind about him long before he started talking. To her it didn’t matter what he was saying. That’s the very definition of dumb, and why we have so many offenders, people just refuse to listen and prefer to just shun. Well guess what, we can’t just get rid of them, cause to start and end with we don’t know who they are. So maybe we should listen! And maybe start making it safe for the non offenders to share their deviant tendencies, so as to minimize the number of offenders., precisely. I don’t think that these non offenders are lost causes, and it was horridly mean, stupid and ignorant of that girl to say that to someone who has never even done anything, and is very much candidly screaming for help, so as to make sure that he never will. The guy lives in agony, he needs support and mental health help, not judgment, not when he hasn’t done anything. In judging him, and making him feel hopeless about his sexual deviance, one is only but pushing him to offend. I do believe that his brain CAN be rewired, the current science just doesn’t know how yet, cause unfortunately (even tho child abuse is such a big problem) there’s no one in the scientific community who has yet bothered to look into it. Why? Because of the ignorant Nellies of this world (like Ms. Thing in this video) who don’t care to try to understand, and don’t get that there isn’t one problem in this world that you can solve without first understanding what has led to it.
what about the dude
I was thinking the same thing I keep seeing everyone target her, yet act like he wasn't just as bad as she was, but we know why. @pooja_aggarwal
@@Whisper_Spells I think both of them were equally annoying.
The Blue Haired one did well.
As a medical professional and someone who was statutorily raped at 15 (though that is in no way comparable to any abuse involving a child) I believe treatment in one form or another would be possible to help people like this. Without being part of this community or knowing anyone in it, of course, I cannot come to any major conclusion without further understanding. However, from what I do know is that a lot of people in these situations have life experiences, nurture vs nature, whatever it may be, that contribute to this. I truly respect his courage to come on a set to discuss something that must be so deeply painful to recognize about yourself. It really broke my heart to hear that he plans on ending his life. Regardless of what he may think or feel, I don't think anyone should view this as the only option for them. I think, and strongly hope that there is another way for people like this to find a way to move forward and live a positive and healthy life. To whomever you may be behind the mask, I hope you find a life of positivity and love, a life that is healthy for both you and others, and a motivation & reason to still be here. In my heart I know you have those that love you, you deserve to live a happy life - the self awareness you possess is proof to me that you have the strength to find that life.
Did they purposefully choose the most frightening mask possible or did he choose such a mask? Blkkdy hell.
I don't believe that he hasn't viewed videos of child abuse ..
So, not raping a child is a virtuous deed? No one should expect any praise for abstaining from such an evil act. If this man had any decency; he would not go near children and would try to get help,.
Dude context. When it’s an impulse and u don’t act on it it is. So stfu and learn to read.
There's plenty of jobs that have nothing to do with kids, there is no way someone like this should be allowed to be anywhere near children.
yes, children must be fucked apart from the job
@@JosieAller the best thing is to struggle for one's rights-and for children's right to sex
Nothing inherently wrong or risky about a pedophile working with children
There are many avenues that don't involve men. Gays should work in those, and not view men whom they might be attracted to.
Is that a sentiment you'd also agree with?
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 men can consent to sx, kids cannot
the only reason he dosnt act on his fantasies is because of the law, not because of the effect it could have on the child
Exactly 💯
You believe him…?
"the only reason he dosnt act on his fantasies is because of the law"
Then the law has served it's purpose then. There would be absolute CHAOS in society if all laws were abolished tomorrow and you know it.
@@ANM21985 well obviously, im saying he doesn’t actually care about the children
there exist no effect
This should not be normalised.
why?
It's not trying to be normalized. It's people having a civil discussion about a controversial topic, and they all agree that it's wrong.
This isn't about normalizing child abuse. It's about recognizing that attraction isn't something we choose. The number of people in this comments section who don't understand the difference between thoughts and behaviors is honestly kind of astonishing.
Agreed. You know society is beyond f'ed when people are claiming being attracted to children is a "sexual orientation." WTF It's NOT.
@@minoyhoy1137 why not? Being oriented towards kids is not orientation?
It is So important that these people can come forward and recieve help b4 abuse occurs
Right? People don't seem to understand this at all. No one chooses this attraction and to call them monsters that should be locked up immediately without offending causes those who don't want to offend to offend because they couldn't seek help. We want to protect children, and allowing paedophile to open up and seek help this would significantly reduce the risk of offending. I would imagine how horrible it would be to be cursed with that attraction as no one chooses this horrid attraction, especially as it often times stems from abuse that happened to them as children.
I cannot accept anything they said afterwards about him, he is guilty, he is sick and perverted and how long will it be before fantasy becomes reality? The world has got caught up in this "we have to accept everyone" phase. This is one step too far.
They need to be able to speak to a professional so they can help them to resist urges. No one's asking anyone to 'accept' them. They need serious help.
@@ellster127 to be honest I think actual aliens on this planet would be preferable. Maybe I'm biased having been abused by one myself. Then again, he probably just needed help
But this problem will never go away if people like him can't seek help for their sick urges they definitely needs to be more help given to pedos if it stops them from harming children's or watching CP
why anyone's life must depend on what you can and what you cannot accept
This is how it starts, enter with dialogue and contemplation....eventually it becomes normalised and accepted. Intellectuals and academics that feel this is worth an apologetic discourse will also be just as guilty for moving children into the crosshairs of harm's way. Protect children at all costs
That will never happen chill
how can you claim to want to “protect the children” but refuse to confront the problem that is harming them the most? you’re using a slippery slope fallacy, which leads nowhere. so if we don’t have these conversations, if we don’t try to understand these people, then how exactly do you plan to “protect the children”? you can’t use something that will likely never happen as an excuse to just not take any action. this video does more to protect the children than you probably ever have
That’s not what people are feeling, but it would be stupid to not understand where it comes from, if you understand it you can begin to change it.
@@mookchieYou could start listening to victims. They have loeds of info on their different abusers from relatives to charity aid workers.
Only the few peds in jail would give info about when they started doing stuff, how they find kids, how they manipulate kids and adults.
Encouraging hidden peds to come forward to talk wouldn't giv much NEW info cuz they would becareful of not accidentally confessing stuff.
That was common, dialogue with sex offenders, five decades ago, when even Gays were forbidden, but child sexuality has still been remaining a crime. This interview cannot be compared to what would happen during the Sexual revolution.
I get why these people are upset and frustrated. But I also understand that this man has hardly any control of his feelings. If he hasn’t offended yet. It’s like a killer having thoughts that he hasn’t acted on but the struggle drives him crazy. It’s probably very difficult to deal with everyday.
Key word in what you’ve just said: “yet”. I have no sympathy for peadophiles. It is a mental illness not a sexuality.
@@bencody4168 and anyone who tries to force people into compassion, or misplaced empathy, is highly suspect. Stand firm. It's the only way.
@@bencody4168exactly, it's a mental illness that he cannot control. Why judge someone for something they don't choose?
Killing is not a natural desire....body doeant need it....sex is a natural desire in humans. The body needs it and unfortunately do this guy he is attracted to the wrong ones making him a WRONGUN!! People are scared about his potential lack of control are we all as humans and society know the power of sexual attrcation in ourselves with our normal attractions he it hetero homo etc so would imagine it is the same with these paedos
I love how he tries to explain the concept of pedophilia in itself with in a purely logical standpoint with little self injected moral values. It makes it very understandable and gives a whole new view in to the world. I never understood why people couldn't differentiate pedophiles from groomers in itself.
Because there's no difference. Paedophiles offend. It's how paraphilias work.
This is them trying to normalize it to make their own sickness easier to act on.
I agree mostly. I was empathising with him up until the point where he admitted to getting a job with children knowing full well what he is. I feel like that bit was glossed over. If not to perve on, or groom the children, for what reason that is not sexual at all would he have gotten a job surrounded by them? It's one thing to be unable to avoid children in certain settings, but he actively sought a job for closer contact. It gives me the ick I'm sorry.
@@jl4260 Please don't apologise for having a moral compass. Maybe use the time you seem to dedicate to being a good human being to learning more about what these men are like when nobody's watching? Check out a furry community expose. Or Google Jacob Breslow.
Paedophiles want our kindness. This is their activism. We don't have to give it to them. In fact, I believe we should all refuse to on principle. So that we don't embolden them any further.
No way humanity can accept these abominations
@@sia9907 not how paraphilias work in the slightest. I've seen your comments around, you're very ignorant and self-righteous. The worst combination of traits.
If that's a neurological reality, there's no sense in shunning and attacking these people if they aren't damaging children. It may be horrifying to see yourself on that situation, feeling attracted to children. It really does.
The best thing we can do is have a dialogue channel with those who suffer from this and study deeply in order to find an effective treatment. I don't see any reason to demonize these people. It's not fair to them, not to science, not to the mental health system, not to children (who would benefit from an effective pedophilia treatment system).
I have sympathy for the guy. The fact he can form relationships with adults shows that in his situation he's not hopeless. Most cases where people offend, they can't make any relationships and that's why they focus on kids. I'd still say for the safety of kids he should never be left in the care of children by himself. The volunteering is definitely a no no if he's spending too much time with kids or worst left with them 1 on 1 at any point.
I don't really get the virtuous thing, just say you're a non offending paedophile.
Yeah other paedophiles....he isn't forming relationships with normal people...
@@danielcunningham6727 that's not what he said. Like it's told them about it but it doesn't sound like he only goes with other pedophiles
@danksmith he literally said he told them he liked children and said none of them reacted so come on put the pieces together I'm sure you're a smart person.
@@danielcunningham6727 just because someone doesn't instantly hate a pedophile, it doesn't make them one. If someone you cared about revealed it to you, would you instantly just discard them?
I imagine your mindset probably thinks I'm one purely because I don't want to kill someone for having obscene sexual desires.
@@danksmith yeah damnn right I would I have children myself and I'd do anything to protect them including disowning my nearest and dearest NO ONE EVER comes before my children.
I knew a guy in college who used to say how disgusting it is for a guy to look at a 9 year old, but then I caught him checking out a 13 year old... hypocrites everywhere -- they never like to think of themselves as what they think is the "real thing" 🤣 Statistically speaking, I bet this dad (Lewis) has done the same.... just look at his reactions at 4:00 after the mask says that he was still attracted to younger kids as he got older. Lewis' thought process seemed to change through his body language almost like he saw that in himself... some real self reflection in that body language and later makes more obvious body language to act disgusted again. Shaking your head and making an effort to express disgust like he's doing is unnatural, like he's trying to convince those watching. "Don't look at me, just keep looking at the masked guy." 🤔😆
Sounds like those gays who don't want to admit they're gay, so they act extremely homophobic.
There are paedo levels...some are into pre pubescent, others are into pubescent others into bit older...they have terms for it like hebephilia or something along those lines....
I'm a MAP (hebephile specifically), and I'd like to share a few thoughts about this interview.
First and foremost, I want to commend this man for his bravery. Seriously, It's one thing to talk about this anonymously online, but to actually sit in front of three strangers to talk about this must be beyond scary. Every MAP I've ever spoken to has a crippling fear of one day being outed and having everyone they've ever known turn against them. It truly is a harrowing feeling.
Now, as for the interview itself, I must say, I'm a bit disappointed. There wasn't much of a dialogue here, not much of an effort to actually understand this person and where he's coming from. At times it felt more like an interrogation than an interview. I'm also not a fan of the editing style, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than a couple of dishonest cuts in here. That said, I have to keep in mind that this is a mainstream TV channel in the UK and this is pretty par for the course. I can at least appreciate they didn't completely demonize him and let him speak, though I felt a couple of them were a bit cruel with their commentary (more on that later).
Here are some thoughts I had on some while watching the video. I have a lot to say, so this is going to be a long comment, and will probably be split into two.
1:09 "I don't think you can really call anything a sexual orientation if it can never be consensual."
This is a rather odd way to look at sexual orientation. I don't think the subject's ability to consent is really relevant. People aren't gay because they managed to sleep someone of the same sex who consented. People are gay because they're attracted to the same sex. Even if the person has never had sex in their life, they would still be gay. By this logic, a straight man who gets rejected by a woman would mean he's no longer straight.
As for the question of whether pedophilia can be considered an orientation or not, there is actually some debate about that among professionals, due in part to "sexual orientation" being somewhat ill-defined (some say it can only apply to gender while others say it can encompass more than that). I think what Mouse was trying to say is that, for him, it doesn't really matter whether people want to see him as someone with a sexual orientation or with a mental disorder, as much of what he says applies either way. Having a sexual orientation wouldn't automatically give him license to disregard consent and having a mental disorder wouldn't mean he automatically deserves to be treated like a rapist.
1:16 "So I think you should have maybe therapy or something, someone to talk to to try and actually see if this is something that can be rewired in your brain."
This is something I often hear from people, the whole "you need to get help" thing. The issue here is that people often like to express this to MAPs without really understanding how this attraction works or even what "help" even means. Her comment about "rewiring" his brain is also quite telling. This isn't really something you can "fix," and in fact, encouraging that kind of mentality in a MAP can be quite harmful, as it can lead to a cycle of "trying to get it fixed" and repeatedly failing. MAPs who "get help" do so to help them better understand what this means, help them cope with feelings of isolation and depression, help them accept that part of themselves, and, in some cases, help them control urges if it's a problem for them (more on that later). Even that can be difficult as it is not easy finding a therapist who actually knows what to do in these situations.
Moreover, a lot of people seem to assume that if someone openly talks about this, it somehow means they haven't tried to get "help" already. Therapists aren't going to just tell you to never talk about it. Quite the opposite. A recurring theme among MAPs is a feeling of isolation and being unable to be open about a rather intimate part about yourself even with family and friends.
One more thing people need to understand about "getting help" is that this is not actually something applicable to all MAPs. I'm not at all against MAPs talking to a therapist if they can find a suitable one, but I get the impression people often think we're a constant, imminent danger if we're not constantly talking to one, which is not how it works for most MAPs. In the end, a therapist can help you better understand yourself and live with this knowledge, but they're not going to magically "fix" you. I'm very surprised the gay woman was the one to even bring that up. She of all people should know what it's like to be told you need to "get your brain fixed."
One thing I will say, however, is that there are MAPs out there who legitimately have a problem with intrusive urges, and those most certainly need professional help to get those urges under control. With that said, this is not the case for most MAPs.
1:30 "Have you ever wanted to [abuse a child]?"
This is such a malformed question. "Abuse" is quite a heavy-handed word to use here. MAPs are attracted to kids, meaning that, yes, they fantasize about having sex with them, but asking "have you ever wanted to abuse a child" implies that we not only have a desire to have sex with them, but also derive some kind of sadistic pleasure out out of it, as if what attracts us to kids is the prospect of hurting them. This is not at all how this attraction works for most MAPs. We don't derive pleasure from the idea of harming anyone, and the idea of a child getting raped is as disturbing to us as it is to most other people. In our fantasies, we're not imagining ourselves getting off to torturing kids. The kids in our minds are imaginary kids with the ability to consent and enjoy sexual encounters. That's why they're called fantasies. This is like asking a straight man, "do you fantasize about raping women?" I realize that the specific issue here is that kids "aren't adults" and that it would be considered abuse regardless, but I think it's important to understand that there's a big difference between being attracted to someone and actually being willing to hurt them for your own pleasure.
1:53 "But they're adults. You're attracted to children."
Congratulations, lady, you figured it out. In all seriousness, I find it rather silly how she asked him "what is it about kids that you find attractive," and when he responds, she says "but they're adults," like he didn't already know that, or like she was expecting some other kind of answer. What he's trying to say is that asking him what he finds attractive about children is like asking a gay man what he finds attractive about men. He's not really going to be able to give you an answer that will make you understand unless you're also attracted to that. People are simply attracted to what they're attracted to. No amount of "but they're children" is really going to change that. The sexual part of our brain doesn't care.
2:45 "That's a different situation, that's nothing like this situation."
While I can agree Mouse kind of did a bad job of illustrating his point here, I think people have to understand that most MAPs don't suddenly become wild animals upon seeing a child the same way a straight man doesn't upon seeing a woman. I think what Mouse was trying to say is that the man asking the question is assuming he'd want to harm his daughter, which goes back to what I said earlier about attraction vs. having a desire to hurt someone. The point Mouse was trying to convey is that this man wouldn't just a assume a random man wanted to rape his wife for no other reason than the man being straight. I understand people have a hard time differentiating between someone who's simply attracted to kids and someone who want to molest them, since the media often treat these terms interchangeably, but I assure you most of us are not interested in abusing your daughter that we don't even know.
2:54 "You don't think it's wrong even that you find a young child attractive?"
It doesn't really matter whether or not he personally finds it "wrong." He's still attracted to them, and he can either live his whole life thinking about how "wrong" he is for having those feelings or he can simply learn to accept and live with it. I would argue that it's not really fair to hold a person morally accountable for simply having an attraction, something they can't really control. I would also argue that the only thing that matters when it comes to "right" and "wrong" is our actions and how they affect others.
3:08 "So do you watch, like, TV programs and stuff, and look at a kid and be like 'I fancy him'?" "Yes, that does happen." "I find this is crazy." "That is mad! I can't understand you, I'm sorry! That is crazy to me!"
I find this so bewildering. They do this several times in the interview, too. He's been sitting there from the beginning telling you he's attracted to children, and then you're all completely shocked when you hear he found a child attractive. Is this really such a hard concept to understand? If someone is attracted to kids, then yes, that means that when they see a kid, they may find them hot. That's just how it works. I keep asking myself what kind of response were these people expecting. "Actually, no, I don't. I'm only attracted to adult children."
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6:54 "You wanted to be around kids. Is that so you can perv on them?" "No." "So when you worked[?] there, you didn't fancy any of them?" "Yes, I did, but that's not the same thing." "But how is it not the same thing?"
This goes back to what I was saying earlier about people seemingly thinking we turn into animals at the mere sight of children. I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea to surround yourself with children all day as a pedophile, but believe it or not, we can see children as more than just sexual objects. Some of us become teachers or do volunteer work with children simply because we genuinely want to help kids. It's not all about sex for us. Moreover, you can put me in a room with a kid I find attractive, and while that may mean I would indeed find them attractive, it doesn't mean I'll suddenly drop my pants because I know better than that and I have no interest in giving that kid that kind of experience anyway. I would like to assume most people don't just think, "man, can't wait to take THAT to my room!" every single time they see someone they find attractive. Again, not saying it's necessarily a good idea to throw yourself in a pool full of children with swimsuits, but people need to understand that not everything we do is for the purpose of taking a kid to bed, and that we can think of children beyond just sexual ways.
I'm also genuinely concerned about how much trouble these people seem to have differentiating between "fancying" someone and "perving" them (whatever that means). It's like people today can't separate the concept of finding someone attractive from actually having sex with them, as if they think that when you find someone attractive, you *must* ask them to sleep with you at some point.
7:14 "Did you ever think what the parents would think about that?" and "I think that anybody that has children should have a right to have that disclosed."
What the parents think really doesn't matter, unless they're trying to say that none of this would be an issue if the parents approved, which somehow I don't think is what they meant. And no, I don't think parents should have the right to force me to disclose my personal fantasies, to parents or to anyone. I'm frankly shocked that this is coming from the gay person.
Something is either harmful to children or it is not, regardless of what the parents think. A lot of parents also think their kids shouldn't interact with gay people, trans people, people of a certain religion, people of a certain race, or even exposed to ideas like evolution, and yet we often stop caring about what they think in those situations. If the person has no intention of harming a child, and hasn't proven otherwise, then we shouldn't just assume the worst of people, and we certainly shouldn't require people to start disclosing their sexual preferences just for the privilege of interacting with children, as if merely talking to us is going to somehow "corrupt" them. And by the way, even if places did start requiring that, what exactly prevents someone from just lying? Asking people to disclose that information would literally achieve nothing.
7:58 "Why not [in reference to him not watching sexual content of children]?"
Did she seriously just asked that? Was she expecting him to say, "Oh yeah! All the time! You should try it!"
8:10 "You still fantasize about it, though?"
I get the impression people actually expect MAPs to just punch themselves in the face every time they so much as think of a child and think that's actually going to lead to some kind of positive result. Yes, we fantasize about it. What would you rather we do? Completely repress ourselves sexually? Like Mouse said, this is simply how our brains work. Sometimes we get sexual thoughts because we're humans and like most humans we sometimes get sexual thoughts about things we're attracted to. He could try loathing himself every time it happens, but that will accomplish nothing. He will still have those thoughts. And I would argue that giving yourself no sexual outlet at all is in the long run worse for you mentally.
9:14 "It seems like, to me, these child forums [referring to the online spaces Mouse uses to talk to other MAPs], you're just enabling one another, really."
This is also something I sometimes see online, this idea that we're somehow enabling "bad behavior" by just talking to each other, which to me is just kind of wild, as if people expected us to just lock ourselves in a room and isolate ourselves from anyone who's ever had similar experiences to us. Almost every MAP I've talked to has been helped tremendously by talking about their attraction with people who go through the exact same thing. It helps us remember that we're not alone, and that it is possible to be a good person even if you're a MAP. Us not talking to each other isn't going to make our attraction go away, and it's certainly not going to stop abusers from abusing kids because such people don't care about what you or I think and will look for ways to do it regardless.
And if I can be completely blunt for a moment here, you don't get to dictate whom I can or cannot associate with or what opinions I decide to express online. I've made a lot of close friends in the MAP community, friends with which I can be myself and not feel like I'm talking to an alien who doesn't understand anything I'm saying. If you think that all is still going to "enable" us or something, then well, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to lock myself in a closet to appease your sensibilities.
10:15 "It's not going to happen. People ain't going to work with you knowing that you fancy kids."
Here's the thing, no matter how much you think it's "not going to happen," the reality is that it's already happening. You probably walk by MAPs every single day of your life. Some or your colleagues, friends, and family are probably MAPs. The only difference it that they don't tell you (precisely because they fear this reaction from you), yet they're still there, "working with kids," as you say. All this attitude encourages is for us to do exactly what this man says "is not going to happen," but in secret. We'd just be sweeping the problem under the rug and pretend it's not there until it bursts. Like it or not, MAPs are part of society and always will be, and this is a problem society is going to have to confront one way or another eventually.
10:40 "...and to hopefully stop any kids from being abused in the future."
I see this come up a lot when non-MAPs discuss people with minor attraction, the need to "protect kids." I obviously have nothing against that, but I feel sometimes people forget this isn't *only* to protect kids, and that sometimes "protecting kids" was never really the problem to begin with. As I've mentioned several times in this comment, most MAPs are not at all interested in abusing children, and already understand very well why that's not a nice thing to do to a child. Many don't really pose that much of a risk, but that's not really the point. The point is that many people with this attraction-people whom you walk by every day and probably know a few-struggle with these feelings and the knowledge that society sees them as monsters even if they haven't done anything. Many are driven to suicide because of this, even when they never once thought about abusing a child. It's a problem that is affecting quite a few people in society who are often not even allowed to talk about it. I'm all for protecting kids from abusive adults, but I think people also have to try and look at the broader picture here and see that this issue is much more than just that one aspect.
You have to understand how it feels when you constantly hear people saying, "we need to get you help to make sure you don't hurt anyone." It gives the impression that you're nothing more than a ticking time bomb to everyone, that they don't actually care about how you feel and simply want to "protect the children," and that they will throw you to the wolves as soon as they get the impression that it's not achieving that goal, as if "helping" you was never really the goal. I've met MAPs who have tried seeking "help" and are constantly met with, "But have you thought about touching a child?" "Have you looked at a child today?" "Are you sure you're not thinking of abusing a child right now?" That doesn't really help us. That just reminds us of what people see us as. We want to have a frank discussion about how we feel, and how we can live our lives without our attractions defining us. Telling this man "and hopefully stop any kids from being abused in the future" is just telling him, "Well, I know you're going to abuse a child sooner or later, so let's see what we can do about it." That's not the right approach. You're basically treating him like a problematic dog that you're considering putting down, or at least that's how it comes off as. There needs to be a bit more compassion here.
10:43 "I feel like this whole situation for you is a little bit hopeless. [...] To me, I just think it's a bit of a lost cause."
This, of all the comments from these people, seemed the most cruel, and I honestly do not understand why you would ever want to tell this to someone with this attraction. This man is here trying to live a normal life despite of his attraction. He's trying to show an example to others like him that being attracted to kids doesn't have to mean abusing them. He's telling you to your face that he doesn't want to abuse children, and you're telling him that it's "hopeless" and a "lost cause"? What the heck are you saying? That he shouldn't even bother trying? Do you want him to just throw his arms up and say, "Welp, you're right, guess I'll go commit crimes now, since it's all a lost cause anyway." I can understand having reservations about him being around kids, but a "lost cause"? Really? People say they want to help us, but then they say shit like this.
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@@ekZ11761 "having sex with children is by its nature hurting them."
The point I was making was that questions like "Have you ever wanted to abuse a child" are indicative of a perception of MAPs not only having a desire to have sex with children, but to do so in a sadistic way, as in the very idea of causing them harm is arousing to us. I know that sex with children is "harmful," but I hope you understand there's also a difference between a potentially harmful act (willful sex with a minor who may later regret it) vs. an unambiguous harmful act (violence or deliberate manipulation). I'm not trying to justify the former, but I am saying that I often get the sensation that people view us as sadists as well as MAPs, or that the suffering of a child is somehow arousing to us. Perhaps I may be reading too much into that "abuse a child" question, but it's still an impression I got from the interviewers beyond just that one question.
I'm not sure what you mean by "certainly not what ‘you’ as a group have your fantasies limited to." I'm guessing you're referring to rape fantasies or fantasies involving violence, which, yes, there are of course people with very extreme fantasies out there, but I don't think that's representative of the majority of MAPs, nor was it what I was referring to in my comment. There are MAPs with all sorts of specific fetishes out there, but I'm not going to treat those fetishes as the default when speaking about MAPs in general.
"If I had a paraphilia centred around murdering and cannibalising people..."
I understand what you're trying to say with this analogy, and to a degree it's true, although consider the mere attraction minors and the desire to murder/cannibalize/rape/harm to not be equivalents. An attraction simply means you find something hot, beyond that, your intentions will completely depend on your own beliefs, situations you're presented with, and other conditions you may have (such as the genuine desire to harm). It goes back to what I said about "attraction" vs. "urge."
As a side note, what is "accepting it as legitimate" to you, since you mentioned that? What exactly makes a sexual attraction "legitimate," and what does that entail? A lot of people talk about "accepting" or "normalizing" pedophilia, but I'm never entirely sure what people mean by that.
"To be a 'virtuous' (I hate the term - it’s hardly a 'virtue' to understand your own capacity for harm) paedophile is to agree that your desire is wrong in itself
I'm not a fan of the term either and don't personally adopt it myself, but to address your point here, I do not personally see it as very productive for MAPs to view themselves as "wrong" for having this attraction. It implies a person is doing something wrong merely for having their brains wired a certain way. I think having that mentality is just not a healthy way to deal with this. I'm not saying that means we shouldn't consider the risks or view ourselves as "virtuous" for nearly refusing to harm others, but I don't think we have to deprecate ourselves and adopt the notion that we're just ticking time bombs either to "prove that we're safe." A lot of MAPs suffer from poor mental health, and much of that stems from the fact that society leads us to believe we're doomed to be abusers. I think there is value in having positive examples that aren't just "I hate myself."
@EricKeithSmith
I think I'm understanding the difference in our perspectives now, since you say it is impossible for a child to be "willing." Yes, they can be willing. Please note that I am very deliberately using the word "willing" here and not "consent." It's very much possible for someone to willingly do something without giving informed consent. A child can willingly take drugs without properly understanding the implications. I have met many people who willingly engaged in sexual interactions with adults when they were young who don't see it as a negative experience. That is, of course, not to say that what they engaged in was not highly risky and that they were in way over their heads. You can certainly argue that even if nothing "went wrong," they still may have not fully understood the possible consequences and therefore it should still be discouraged. It's a bit like a child taking their parent's car for a ride with no license. Even if they get back home without incident, it was still something that could have ended in disaster.
That said, I'm not a fan of telling people how to feel about their own experiences. If a 30-year-old tells me he had sex at 12 or something and enjoyed it, I don't feel it's my place to tell him he's wrong about his own feelings. I can tell him what he did wasn't right because it could have ended very badly, and that he may have not understood the implications, but I'm not going to tell him, "No, you didn't enjoy it, and you should be crying right now." That's for him to interpret. This is why I said "potentially," and why I'm trying to establish a difference between being forcefully raped and "willingly" engaged in something you "want" but is highly dangerous. I'm not trying to justify one or the other, but it's important to have nuance in this sort of topic and not adopt an absolutist mindset that treats those things as the same.
Things like "children cannot possibly enjoy sex" make it impossible to have an honest discussion about the matter. Unless you want to argue that minors engaging in any form of sexual activity whatsoever at any point before turning 18 (including watching porn, masturbating, or having sex with other minors) is invariably going to harm them no matter what, then you should understand what I mean by "willing" and "potentially," and how it's different from "definitely harmful" situations like violence and deliberate manipulation. Perhaps you won't agree with this perspective, but I have spoken with enough abuse victims and people who don't consider themselves "victims" to know that the subject is more complicated and nuanced than just "a child can't have 'willful' sex with an adult." I think if society wants to have an honest discussion about how to reduce abuse, these sorts of things have to be acknowledged and not just treat everything in absolutes.
As for the legitimacy thing, I guess it's just a difference in what I personally consider to be a "sexuality." I view sexuality as what one is attracted to and enjoys sexually. I don't really consider the morality of putting those sexual desires to action, as I see that as a separate issue. For example, I don't consider gay men gay because they have consensual sex with other men. I consider them gay because they're attracted to other men, even if they remain a virgin their entire lives or even if they engage in non-consensual sex. Sexual acts are sexual acts, and they can be either harmful or not harmful, but things like sexual feelings, sexuality, and sexual orientations are a different matter to what one actually does in their sex life. At least that's how I personally view it.
@@ekZ11761What makes him wrong or evil is the way he spends paragraphs explaining his own predatory thoughts and feelings, being entitled enough to think anyone needs to read his BS.
Stop normalising these sick weirdos. Stop trying to talk to them. All they do is lie, including about how hArD iT iD To FiNd HelP.
Just no.
@@sia9907 If we don't listen to them we'll never understand what goes on in their head. Also, he's not writing these comments from feeling like people have an obligation to read his comments. For those interested, they can read them but if they're not interested, they don't have to read them
This is why me and my husband keep our son close no social media to make things worse it's a nice easy life
It's not safe for children to be online without adult supervision, but being stopped at home doesn't prevent them from accessing it elsewhere, such as at friends' houses.
@@bobafett767 this 100%, everybody I know who was abuused as a kid was from family/school/friends, not random strangers or online friends.
Also it's probably not great to not have them learn about social media, given it will still be around when they're older and you can't control them anymore.
@bobafett767 not always though you're saying that as if it's exclusive to people they know people get abused just as much online.
@bobafett767 you said "you know child abuse comes from people you know" nothing more nothing less I can only go by what YOU say not what you might if said or meant