When your a geek and going to do something that's been done before, just go HAM on over the top. It's amusing and if it makes people laugh they are paying attention to see what they say or do next. The hand slapping of amie was amazing.
13:55 you can send 2 verisium and the fastest way to do it is press the bar on the right side of the slider (which is the whole slider when its at 0). Just press it twice and its ready to ship! Then you dont have to write
and you can use rank 3 shipping workers. in total, they cost up to 300 gold per hour while pirates on average gives more than 40k gold. its pretty much free and even profitable in terms of gold as you can definitely get a pirate every 133hrs (40k/300=133)
It's great to see the results of any large analysis on hidden PoE functions like this. Of course, most people will be focused on raw currency and consistent returns as they should, but the gambler in me wonders what the rate of getting chase uniques are, if doing something like sending 50M shipments of verisium to Te Onui, especially in SSF where uniques will likely be more valuable than mirror shards
I want the same info. I am basically ssf. I have 3 magebloods and a head hunter. I am fishing so hard for a squire! I just can't get it im even chance scoring to try get it. Everything! I'm thinking a 50m shipment of bars as you mentioned. If I get another mageblood though I'm gonna be so sad lol.
Was thinking 6:30 "Would be nice to know what happens beyond this point", then 6:35 ZiggyD: "Let's talk about what happens beyond this point" 😆 Delivering like always! Good video.
So about runes and tattoos: Runes: you get 2 at minimum shipment value +1 per 50k shipment value capped at 200 runes (9.8 mio value) after that it upgrades them in some form Wouldnt recommend 10 mio shipments did them twice and got zero time or power runes and 90% river or lower value runes. So big shipments (25 mio+) are way better on average with what i have seen. Tattoos : +1 tattoo per 100k shipment capped at 40 ( 4 mio value). Also did some test with 4 mio value and 10 mio value shipments . Same results 90% low tier tattoos and no rare tattoos. With 10 mio it was better but not good enough to consider it worth. So big shipments are probably the way to go for tattoos too. Important to note dust doesnt affect runes or tattoos, only the currency from crops.
I've been patiently waiting for someone to release this kind of information with real data to support it. Thank you so much for this Ziggy, awesome video!
B4 the video my rules thus far have been: sell 100 v ore to riven fell or the karui short one. Big shipment is 7’ minimuim of a desired resource and dump all my dust and crops.
I just think they completely missed the mark for shipping ores. It would be so cool if specific ores at specific ports could give you Synth items or Alva items. Just interesting modifiers. Recombinators would have been so fitting for this mechanic as well, if you just could go crazy if combining
@@gabrielpasqualini8413 wow I didn’t know sending 5k shipment value would give you +1 frenzy everytime on rings. It obviously scales with how much you put in. And also ggg can scale it down to whatever they want, BUT MY POINT IS, If the ores have more value then it’s more fun to interact with the mechanic. Instead of only sending crops now and the ores are just useless at this point in the league. I really don’t think my point is that complicated to understand 😅 Also why are trying to argue against a slot machine giving you a chance to get something good, while we had way worse mechanics like necropolis that just spit 3-4 mirror tier items out. I really don’t get this weird obsation of people that just have to at all cost get a stupid counter argument in because any point made is taken to the extreme.
@@digita1ove I just don’t get what the point of his comment is. Anything else is better then people just not having to care anymore about ores. If it was more interesting then people would engage more with it.
Strange. I've tried 700000 shipment strat at least 20 times now after this video, and only gotten 1 divine orb twice. Success rate doesn't feel anywhere near 50%.
I know this is a small sample size, but I've sent 6 700k shipments and gotten 1 anul and 0 divines. If you're 50/50 on anuls divines, either I'm really unlucky so far or it's not 50% to get a divine at 700k
A Poe league where ZiggyD is interested in playing and making content about is 100x better. After all these years i love your content and commitment to Poe.
Nice video I noticed essentially what you said, however I think of it like this, all the crops have a value, wheat/corn/pumpkin/orgourd/bluezen = 12/15/18/21/24. I do not know if they all farm the same speed, haven't tested (i.e. if i set all workers to just wheat, and let them go for an hour, do they collect the same amount of blue zen in an hour? idk) assuming they farmed at the same rate and our goal was to maximize value we have, and we take a sample size of farming 1000 units per crop, and not including the 10% adjacent crop bonuses: 1 crop: 6000 * 24 *1.05 = 151200 2 crop: 5000 * 24 * 1.1 + 21000 * 1.1 = 132000 + 23100 = 155100 3 crop: 4000 * 24 * 1.15 + 21000 * 1.15 + 18000 * 1.15 =155250 4 crop: 3000 * 24 * 1.2 + 21000 *1.2 + 18000 * 1 .2 + 15000 * 1.2 = 151200 5 crop: 2000 * 24 * 1.25 + 21000*1.25 + 18000*1.25 + 15000*1.25 + 12000*1.25 = 142500 therefore, 3 crops i think has the most value per time, and obviously you'd want to stick blue zen in the middle crops to get those 10% bonuses maximized. I think i did the math right, feel free to correct me.
"if i set all workers to just wheat, and let them go for an hour, do they collect the same amount of blue zen in an hour? idk" No. Blue Zanthiumum is worth twice as much as Wheat but you farm twice as much wheat in the same time period. All crops are exactly equal as the value differences are offset by production. Therefore what's optimal is to have at least one of every crop for the 5% bonus and maximise the adjacency bonus of crops you have quotas for.
@@c-tothefourth4879 nice, so you actually tested the time vs crops harvest, that's good data. In that case all 5 is the best choice then. Good job dude.
I've gotten 3 mirror shards split over different 6-8 mill shipments. Granted of all the 6-8 mill shipments, the overwhelming majority didn't have mirror shards but have gotten some from the smaller shipments.
Important detail you left out is the level of the character you open the rewards on matters, at least at certain thresholds. Definitely if you open on a low level character like 10 you'll get back Garbage loot, but not sure if there are specific breakpoints at high levels or each level matters
12:49 "Can only do this 2-3 days with optimized crop production" Having all farmers at level 10 and with the most optimal plants placement, it takes around 4 days and 3 hours to get 25kk ship value from plants. Is it possible to lower it down to 2-3 days? How?
Does shipping value or distance have anything to do with boss appearance rate? I've been spam shipping to Ribben Fell and barely see a boss, but as soon as I ship to Kalgurr before bed, I wake up to a boss. In SSF, we need a Power Rune strat, not a divine strat, and trying to fight as many of the bosses seems to be the best thing to do right now.
The wages to obtain the crops and dust needed for a 50 million shipment is 3million gold, taking just under 7 days to obtain. That gives you 130 divines profit, you may hit better or worse results. Using the same gold and market knowledge on exchange you can obtain 400 divines using the 3 million gold.
I don't know if I just had an unlucky streak, but another reason to send lower ranked shippers with the virissium bars is that you can send less bars to hit that scarab reward switch. I was using level 4 shippers with 15 bars and getting scarabs and when I lost one and replaced them with a level 5 shipper I had to increase the amount of aristium I sent to guarantee my scarabs.
For runes, how was value measured? Since everything trades up 5:1, it might be interesting to normalize it as what % of a power rune do you get per value? One thing that's making the crops value plots non-linear is the huge difference in different currency values and the way it was measured as "probability of a divine"
Has anyone tried 50mil of one crop only? Do we have data on this? I saw a guy on reddit sending 1.1mil Blue Zanthium and some smaller amounts of other crops with a total value of 50mil and didn't get a single mirror shard. Would be interesting to get more data on 25mil in one crop only +25mil dust. Maybe there is one crop that rolls the mirror shards more consistantly and, therefore, it would be possible to get a full mirror.
Really like the changes, but I still wonder why there's no either reward or risk multiplier for sending ships to more distant ports. I don't get why this isn't a thing. Especially with the new strat sending fewer, larger shipments - why would I ever send a big shipment to Kalguur when it always seems more likely to have issues? I don't get it.
God I wish I could be part of the consistent mirror shard gang. Two 50 mill shipments since the patch now for me and not a single mirror shard. I did a kurui one too and got back a grand total of 7 divines plus two 1 div tattoos for a 50 mill shipment. High value ones have been garbage for me but I guess I'm just unlucky.
Also in the 2x 50mil ship, 0 mirror shard gang. I think getting none a lot more common than people think, people only post on reddit when they get lucky.
The conclusions about 700k shipment value are not comprehensive. The most likely conclusion is that the optimal strategy depends on how much time you have to send shipments. A 700k shipment of crops requires a little under 3900 of each crop (let's round down to 3800 to bias toward bigger ships) plus equivalent dust. That is supposed to be ~50% for a divine, according to this data. That means that I could send 38 shipments of 100 crops each. If a 100 crop shipment has better than 1.32% chance for a divine, it is more optimal to send 100 crop shipments. From my own experience, it seems very likely that these small ships have better than a 1/50 chance of fetching you a divine. But it takes a lot longer to send them than one 700k ship. The only thing this data seems to be telling us is that there is a value valley from 50k-500k ish. It does help us to show that ships with ~1000 of each crops are not optimal, which was my feeling for at least a week now. I haven't sent anything over 500 for at least that long.
I hope this goes core. I sort of came up with the same strategies as you mentioned in the video but there is one other strategy I have used that could have merit or could just be my RNG. I have noticed that you should definitely send mixed crops but if you send it unbalanced you have a far more likely chance for divines. I have gotten close to the same hit rate on 100,000 shipments as I have with 1 million. (Never really did 700L) For 100,000 shipments I have definitely seen more divines with the unbalanced than I have with even. What I mean is say you are sending 8000 crops. If instead of sending 1600 x 5 you send 4000 of one and 1000 of the others you see more divines from the second way. I also feel that if you make the blue plants the higher valued ones you get slightly more divines than if you have wheat as the largest crop. Very empirical and not tested but if I was going to guess I would say that my even shipments align with your chart at 100K but with the mixed strategy I would say I see a divine about 20-25% of the time. I have not been doing that recently as I have focused on trying to get a port with 3 high level bonuses in crops by constantly completing them. Mixed shipments of bars and food with $1m plus values consistently give nothing. Just something to share.
Decided to test it. First run: 2 shipments of 7000 x5 and 70,000 dust. 1 shipment in 4 to 1 ration: 20000 wheat, 5000 of the others. 70,000 dust. This totals 40,000 total crops. But is always $630,000 and with the 70000 dust it equals $700K total. So all 3 equal in value. First ship (all Level 10) no divines exalts or annuls. 2 chaos. Second ship (Mostly 8s) No divines One Exalt No Annuls. 2 Chaos Third ship (unbalanced) Three (3) divines, no exalts no annuls 8 chaos. Running another run now but using middle ship for unbalanced one. But so far: EVENx2 0 D 1 EX, UNBALANCED 3D Even accounting for RNG the unbalanced one had three divines not just 1 ship out of 3 that had a single divine.
After 3 sets of runs. Each run had two even distributions and a single unbalanced. So in 6 runs even had 0 Divine 1 Exalted I Annulment In 3 runs unbalanced had 4 divine 2 Exalted and 1 Annul. Also in the 3 runs there were 14 Chaos In the 6 even runs there were about 8 Chaos total. I used a different ship for each unbalanced run. Still super small sample size but results seem to be out of margin of RNG error.
@@beefchampion2792 Yes but I am currently starting to save up for a 50 million shipment and do some mirror shard hunting. I did about 6 more sets of runs and the unbalanced was once again ahead. However, with unbalanced I got 3 divines in the 6 shipments. I kept the mix of 2 that are even and 1 that is unbalanced. In those 12 shipments there were 5 divines for the 12 runs. But both of them are within the margin of error. If you look at 9 runs (so 18 total) then balanced had 5 divines over 18 runs and unbalanced had 9 but then if you take away the first 3 it looks to align with the expectation in this video. I still think it is providing more success, but I have not done enough testing to be certain.
@@johnnyp6202 Good luck with those! It may depend on the type of crop that you send the most of. I still haven't seen anyone test the crops individually or in a style such as yours. And apparently I don't play enough to be able to make such tests. I'm saving crops for the last week and I only have close to 10 million so far.
In your testing did anyone else come across the bug where the shipments just disappear and the ship is back at the dock? I've noticed a handful of times I'm waiting for the ship to come back and I check and it's docked back with no rewards or issues like it never left, but the resources are gone. There are some bug reports on the forums as well about it. I was worried I might have accidentally been clicking Abandon or something so I've been extra paranoid about sending shipments and making sure they are on the way, but it still happens that I check back sometimes and it's like the ship never left but resources are gone.
sent in an 8 million ship to get 3 exalteds back lmao edit: Just to note the league mechanic is a whole has made me upwards of 40div in total it's the best league mechanic since sanctum for making bank with no real hassle. But sometimes you load up a ship and get nothing, gotta live with that
@@itsnotmily Well if you got 3 exalts and absolutely nothing else then sure it wasn't worth. Lucky you got a bunch of other stuff that you haven't disclosed.
@@isaacnoneyabizz9630 I checked my screenshot, 2 ex 17c and a time rune the rest isn't worth mentioning. But I guess It could have been 1div and 1 ex and then it would check out like Ziggy explained
Was it explained in the video why mixed crops are better than just blue zanth? I've watched it twice and I thought i heard a mention about diminishing returns but I don't see any diminishing return in shipping value when I put up to 300,000 blue zanth in the shipment
I haven't done a lot of shipments , takes me an age to farm gold , But , I do have 2 Divines to my name from shipping , One was under 12 k the other at around 12 k . So I was very happy with those , that's just sending a little of what they want with a little dust thrown in . Like 55 dust .
I want them to change it that your miners have mining crops in the town so they can always farm ore. But overall reduce the amount of ore and food farmed in the town, add a food refinement process, and make it that in maps you can find mining or food deposits for your workers to come and retrieve. This means that playing casually will be easier with this mechanic, and playing more hours rewards more overall.
Hello can I get some clarification on the 50mil shipment? Where is it shipped to? What about risk%? Because sending six lv10 sailors to Kalgur it still has like 10% risk and its scary to just have it poof.
Great video. I am curious, did y'all do any research into the non currency rewards? with disenchanting revolving around ilvl of mods, it would be interesting to know some break points around the non currency rewards.
That's insane. So best to not send any crops till you get to 50 either with or without dust. And for ssf, if you need for example a belt upgrade, you just use all your dust (up to 1:1) for Ngakanu with petrified amber.
I definitely confirm this as well. sent a 7mil shipment with a 6div and 1 mirror shard and then today sent an 8.4mil shipment and received 4 div and 2 mirror shards. So I have been saving up and just sending between 7mil and 10mil shipments.
Someone could calculate the increase in shipment value for Kalguur vs. Riben Fell/shorter ports by looking at the increase in risk. Longer shipments have more risk than shorter ones, which is probably directly related to a hidden shipment value multiplier.
Thanks for all of the testing. This will come in handy. One question, though. I play SSF and am trying to Ynda's Stand. What would be the best strategy to get this belt?
Any idea if there is a minimum shipment value in order to get captured by pirates? Sending lots of small shipments might get you more boss encounters if the Admiral isn't too picky about the loot.
Has anyone tested the idea that completing more quotas, will give better results on future shipments? Like a character that has completed a port 4-5+ times vs a character that is sending their first 50mil shipment? Thanks for the vid!
Used to spam 100 ship value - did for Riben Fell and got two nice scarabs that kickstarted my build. But after that send them to nearby Karui settlement for stack decks. Got so many it sold well in large quantities... and did 50mln once (and no more, rolling for good farmers - or any other worker - is pain) and got 7 divs, 3 sacred orbs, 2 Power Runes and 4 mirror shards. iirc sending crops to far away ports raises the risk of your sailors eating all that food and leaving almost no reward for you
thanks for the imformative vid, and the sponser segment was great haha :D. The shipping however feels much worse after the changes than they did before, i was hoping they would revert the changes cause i dont like this meta of 1 bar / 50 mil ship or know you are screwing yourself over a bit by sending less ( 5 mil ships )
I'm very interested in a chart from the video about the probability of obtaining Divine Orbs in relation to item value. May I ask where I can find the document shown in the video?
Did they change something about these numbers allready? I did 7 shippings today, all 800k or higher and I didn't see a single divine orb or any other currency item of the same tier. No sacred orbs or exalted orbs, nothing. I feel cheated...
yea, I got 1 Div in 15 shipments (each 900k, half crops, half dust). The probability for that (taking the 50% Div for 700k) is below 0.05%, when extrapolated to 60% much lower even at 0.002%. And it's not like I get good currency apart from Divs (4 Chaos, 3 Regals, 2 Vaal plus gumball).
@@RedSunT yeah, that tracks with my experience right now. I upgraded my sailors, now I do ca. 1.5 million points, half crops, half dust. Got 1 divine and 1 exalted that could have been a divine in 4 shippings, with again no other currency of that tier or a higher tier. I remain unconvinced of the established statistics.
@ziggyd so , abotu teh favored resources point. this is just me thinking about it logically, but most ppl seem to assume that favored resources will "give a bonus" to the shipment they are sent with. how do we know that favored rss is not just an upgrade for all future shipments ? the reason i am asking this is simply because the favored rss are clearly a very hard thing to get. it wouldn't make sense if the intention by GGG is to boost one single shipment value by a marginal amount when some ppl need literally weeks to collect all those ores. so what do we know about this exactly ?
I managed to get so many great shipments since the change, including a mirror shard with a baby shipment lol to me, the most important is the boats are always out and keep rolling the dice
So, all the ore other than versi is useless now not worth to gather during map? Then we should remove high tier mining and smelter to lower hiring fee too?
ZiggyD doing Grimro's work in 3.25. I always sent shipments to Cowgirl port, for my logic the further, longer route brings better loot. Well New Zealand logic is different it seems.
One big thing that have been totally ignored and put aside for a time now is: - What to do with bars now (outside of just stocking them) - What about the "overall level" of the port(s), as there was an early rumor of a "level" of each ports or even a global one - Is that worth completing the port's request (for exemple Riben Fell) and fishing for a double/triple crop request for preparing a big shipment?
Seems bars are a lower level or maybe recombining reward since you get Loot 2.0 back. Even stocked when you complete orders you run out. You can fish for double/triple crop bonuses but as stated when you go for 50mil shipments the bonus would be marginal, but when doing regular 1-5mil shipments I think it will definitely benefit. People also forget because they're not meta, that's how you get league uniques. So it's just like heist, many different reward types but you end up just focusing on two, crops/dust in this case.
I can't believe that sponsor segment got greenlighted
He made love to that pc didn't he..
When your a geek and going to do something that's been done before, just go HAM on over the top. It's amusing and if it makes people laugh they are paying attention to see what they say or do next.
The hand slapping of amie was amazing.
I can't believe that R-Rated smut wasn't censored.
Okay, that was a god tier sponsor segment. Might have been the first time I actually rewinded and rewatched the sponsor segment in a video. 😂
one of the best sponser ad reads i have seen
bro ikr lol
13:55 you can send 2 verisium and the fastest way to do it is press the bar on the right side of the slider (which is the whole slider when its at 0). Just press it twice and its ready to ship! Then you dont have to write
also feel like you forgot to mention that a big reason you want to send out small shipments is to fish for the pirate encounter :)
2 verisium 10 dust , fishing for random runes and scarabs too
Thats my start. Big shipment once a day or two days and small amounts of v ore constantly.
and you can use rank 3 shipping workers. in total, they cost up to 300 gold per hour while pirates on average gives more than 40k gold. its pretty much free and even profitable in terms of gold as you can definitely get a pirate every 133hrs (40k/300=133)
And if you send them to the karui town you get stacked decks instead
Top tier Sponsor segment. I always skip those and this time I was compelled to watch the whole damn thing. Great work!
3:00 yo that's my spreadsheet pog
😮 legend! Nice job on the farming science!
@@stillprophet7529 god mode. Legend!!!
god bless; i was waiting for something like this
@@packrats275 I posted it on reddit weeks ago
Ty dude has been super helpful
It's great to see the results of any large analysis on hidden PoE functions like this. Of course, most people will be focused on raw currency and consistent returns as they should, but the gambler in me wonders what the rate of getting chase uniques are, if doing something like sending 50M shipments of verisium to Te Onui, especially in SSF where uniques will likely be more valuable than mirror shards
I want the same info. I am basically ssf. I have 3 magebloods and a head hunter. I am fishing so hard for a squire! I just can't get it im even chance scoring to try get it. Everything! I'm thinking a 50m shipment of bars as you mentioned. If I get another mageblood though I'm gonna be so sad lol.
@@joshuaattard8060try gravicius. he can drop full stack of the squire card
Anything you tested so far? Really want to know what the best way to go about spending my verisium is.
I really needed this! Thank you Ziggy
Ziggy coming through with the amazing PSA for the community as always. thanks Ziggy and Everyone involved for the science!
Was thinking 6:30 "Would be nice to know what happens beyond this point", then 6:35 ZiggyD: "Let's talk about what happens beyond this point" 😆 Delivering like always! Good video.
The feigned laugh with the PC at 10:20 ... 💀
So about runes and tattoos:
Runes: you get 2 at minimum shipment value +1 per 50k shipment value capped at 200 runes (9.8 mio value) after that it upgrades them in some form
Wouldnt recommend 10 mio shipments did them twice and got zero time or power runes and 90% river or lower value runes. So big shipments (25 mio+) are way better on average
with what i have seen.
Tattoos : +1 tattoo per 100k shipment capped at 40 ( 4 mio value).
Also did some test with 4 mio value and 10 mio value shipments . Same results 90% low tier tattoos and no rare tattoos. With 10 mio it was better but not good enough to consider it worth. So big shipments are probably the way to go for tattoos too.
Important to note dust doesnt affect runes or tattoos, only the currency from crops.
i deleted my reply i should answer at 2 am. i get 3 scarabs everytime not runes.
I've been patiently waiting for someone to release this kind of information with real data to support it. Thank you so much for this Ziggy, awesome video!
Best video in the world to watch. Just dropped a mirror of kalandra at the 7:34 mark while running dunes.
Best ad break ever! I love your content, man. I'm always excited to see it.
B4 the video my rules thus far have been: sell 100 v ore to riven fell or the karui short one. Big shipment is 7’ minimuim of a desired resource and dump all my dust and crops.
Very basic and straight forward explanation. I thank you for that!
grats on the sponsor!
yeah, his hard work from all over the years (being a fan since the old sc2 days) pays off; well deserved!
Appreciate all the effort of you and your community :)
I just think they completely missed the mark for shipping ores.
It would be so cool if specific ores at specific ports could give you Synth items or Alva items. Just interesting modifiers.
Recombinators would have been so fitting for this mechanic as well, if you just could go crazy if combining
Wouldn't that be way too op? A full tab of synth or alva items every 1h is just straight up stupid lol
Yeah, dude, getting some synth items would be way too busted *claims 7 mirror shards from crop shipment* @gabrielpasqualini8413
@@gabrielpasqualini8413 wow I didn’t know sending 5k shipment value would give you +1 frenzy everytime on rings.
It obviously scales with how much you put in.
And also ggg can scale it down to whatever they want, BUT MY POINT IS, If the ores have more value then it’s more fun to interact with the mechanic.
Instead of only sending crops now and the ores are just useless at this point in the league.
I really don’t think my point is that complicated to understand 😅
Also why are trying to argue against a slot machine giving you a chance to get something good, while we had way worse mechanics like necropolis that just spit 3-4 mirror tier items out.
I really don’t get this weird obsation of people that just have to at all cost get a stupid counter argument in because any point made is taken to the extreme.
@@tinecchi3648Holy overreaction batman.
@@digita1ove I just don’t get what the point of his comment is.
Anything else is better then people just not having to care anymore about ores.
If it was more interesting then people would engage more with it.
lmao that MSI ad, first ad I watched fully through in a while
godly guide thanks for your contribution for the masses!
Strange. I've tried 700000 shipment strat at least 20 times now after this video, and only gotten 1 divine orb twice. Success rate doesn't feel anywhere near 50%.
I know this is a small sample size, but I've sent 6 700k shipments and gotten 1 anul and 0 divines. If you're 50/50 on anuls divines, either I'm really unlucky so far or it's not 50% to get a divine at 700k
Have anyone found what the T10 fisherman(angler icon) does to 50m shipments yet? Or too low sample size?
Any testing Results about Chances to encounter Pirats? Is there any difference about far ports and closer ports?
How much gold did you farm to get that poggers shipment from the port of MSI?
Dating your MSI rig got me going... well done mate.... probs the best adds i''ve seen from you :DD
Love the video and the statistics its always good to know the numbers ♡ ,
Glad your giving a shout out to msi aswell amazing brand
I had to disable sponsorblock for this one and I am glad I did, had multiple chuckles
You guys dont think that each crop has its own table? Like 700k of just corn or corn/dust will tally up better than mixed crops at 700k?
A Poe league where ZiggyD is interested in playing and making content about is 100x better. After all these years i love your content and commitment to Poe.
Id hope so. Hes their poster boy. Look who did the sit down interview with softball questions. He over hyped melee and its still dogsh
I can't find the port of MSI in Kingsmarch, ZiggyD! Thanks for the informative video, cheers!
Nice video
I noticed essentially what you said, however I think of it like this, all the crops have a value, wheat/corn/pumpkin/orgourd/bluezen = 12/15/18/21/24. I do not know if they all farm the same speed, haven't tested (i.e. if i set all workers to just wheat, and let them go for an hour, do they collect the same amount of blue zen in an hour? idk)
assuming they farmed at the same rate and our goal was to maximize value we have, and we take a sample size of farming 1000 units per crop, and not including the 10% adjacent crop bonuses:
1 crop: 6000 * 24 *1.05 = 151200
2 crop: 5000 * 24 * 1.1 + 21000 * 1.1 = 132000 + 23100 = 155100
3 crop: 4000 * 24 * 1.15 + 21000 * 1.15 + 18000 * 1.15 =155250
4 crop: 3000 * 24 * 1.2 + 21000 *1.2 + 18000 * 1 .2 + 15000 * 1.2 = 151200
5 crop: 2000 * 24 * 1.25 + 21000*1.25 + 18000*1.25 + 15000*1.25 + 12000*1.25 = 142500
therefore, 3 crops i think has the most value per time, and obviously you'd want to stick blue zen in the middle crops to get those 10% bonuses maximized. I think i did the math right, feel free to correct me.
"if i set all workers to just wheat, and let them go for an hour, do they collect the same amount of blue zen in an hour? idk"
No. Blue Zanthiumum is worth twice as much as Wheat but you farm twice as much wheat in the same time period. All crops are exactly equal as the value differences are offset by production. Therefore what's optimal is to have at least one of every crop for the 5% bonus and maximise the adjacency bonus of crops you have quotas for.
@@c-tothefourth4879 nice, so you actually tested the time vs crops harvest, that's good data. In that case all 5 is the best choice then. Good job dude.
How do you get bonuses for farming?
Not gonna lie, best sponsor segment I've seen in a while, lol
Thanks for the vid! first 800K shipment got 2 divines, then nothing for next 3-4 shipments. Then got a Mirror shard on a 1 million shipment.
I really like that extension .mp4 in the name at the start :D
Oh yeah, someone noticed
That sponsor hahah. pretty gud xD
any tips how to get power runes?
I've gotten 3 mirror shards split over different 6-8 mill shipments. Granted of all the 6-8 mill shipments, the overwhelming majority didn't have mirror shards but have gotten some from the smaller shipments.
Important detail you left out is the level of the character you open the rewards on matters, at least at certain thresholds. Definitely if you open on a low level character like 10 you'll get back Garbage loot, but not sure if there are specific breakpoints at high levels or each level matters
Great video! Looking forward for more.
12:49 "Can only do this 2-3 days with optimized crop production"
Having all farmers at level 10 and with the most optimal plants placement, it takes around 4 days and 3 hours to get 25kk ship value from plants. Is it possible to lower it down to 2-3 days? How?
Does shipping value or distance have anything to do with boss appearance rate? I've been spam shipping to Ribben Fell and barely see a boss, but as soon as I ship to Kalgurr before bed, I wake up to a boss.
In SSF, we need a Power Rune strat, not a divine strat, and trying to fight as many of the bosses seems to be the best thing to do right now.
Most of my bosses have been from 2 bar short ships, which I spam a lot, but also do targeted long ships.
well...with that sponsor segment.. I'm sold
God I been waiting for this. Thank you sir!
The wages to obtain the crops and dust needed for a 50 million shipment is 3million gold, taking just under 7 days to obtain. That gives you 130 divines profit, you may hit better or worse results. Using the same gold and market knowledge on exchange you can obtain 400 divines using the 3 million gold.
I don't know if I just had an unlucky streak, but another reason to send lower ranked shippers with the virissium bars is that you can send less bars to hit that scarab reward switch. I was using level 4 shippers with 15 bars and getting scarabs and when I lost one and replaced them with a level 5 shipper I had to increase the amount of aristium I sent to guarantee my scarabs.
Definitely should have a bonus for Kalgurr
For runes, how was value measured? Since everything trades up 5:1, it might be interesting to normalize it as what % of a power rune do you get per value?
One thing that's making the crops value plots non-linear is the huge difference in different currency values and the way it was measured as "probability of a divine"
Has anyone tried 50mil of one crop only? Do we have data on this? I saw a guy on reddit sending 1.1mil Blue Zanthium and some smaller amounts of other crops with a total value of 50mil and didn't get a single mirror shard. Would be interesting to get more data on 25mil in one crop only +25mil dust. Maybe there is one crop that rolls the mirror shards more consistantly and, therefore, it would be possible to get a full mirror.
Great work 👍🏼 thanks for the entertainment and info.
Really like the changes, but I still wonder why there's no either reward or risk multiplier for sending ships to more distant ports. I don't get why this isn't a thing. Especially with the new strat sending fewer, larger shipments - why would I ever send a big shipment to Kalguur when it always seems more likely to have issues? I don't get it.
16:20 At least for me, Kalguur ships were attacked by pirates more. So maybe more uniques, gold, and runes.
I think this would be a factor of those ships being out for 4hrs so per shipment probably more, per hour at sea probably not.
God I wish I could be part of the consistent mirror shard gang. Two 50 mill shipments since the patch now for me and not a single mirror shard. I did a kurui one too and got back a grand total of 7 divines plus two 1 div tattoos for a 50 mill shipment. High value ones have been garbage for me but I guess I'm just unlucky.
I’ve been pretty unlucky too lol you aren’t alone
Also in the 2x 50mil ship, 0 mirror shard gang. I think getting none a lot more common than people think, people only post on reddit when they get lucky.
@@TwiliteGaming Yeah, the data this video is using most likely has massive survivorship bias.
The conclusions about 700k shipment value are not comprehensive. The most likely conclusion is that the optimal strategy depends on how much time you have to send shipments. A 700k shipment of crops requires a little under 3900 of each crop (let's round down to 3800 to bias toward bigger ships) plus equivalent dust. That is supposed to be ~50% for a divine, according to this data. That means that I could send 38 shipments of 100 crops each. If a 100 crop shipment has better than 1.32% chance for a divine, it is more optimal to send 100 crop shipments. From my own experience, it seems very likely that these small ships have better than a 1/50 chance of fetching you a divine. But it takes a lot longer to send them than one 700k ship. The only thing this data seems to be telling us is that there is a value valley from 50k-500k ish. It does help us to show that ships with ~1000 of each crops are not optimal, which was my feeling for at least a week now. I haven't sent anything over 500 for at least that long.
You can send minimum shipment value to Riben Fell for 3 scarabs and a couple runes. 1 bar and 36 dust hits that.
Thanks fpr your info as always sir!
I hope this goes core. I sort of came up with the same strategies as you mentioned in the video but there is one other strategy I have used that could have merit or could just be my RNG. I have noticed that you should definitely send mixed crops but if you send it unbalanced you have a far more likely chance for divines. I have gotten close to the same hit rate on 100,000 shipments as I have with 1 million. (Never really did 700L) For 100,000 shipments I have definitely seen more divines with the unbalanced than I have with even. What I mean is say you are sending 8000 crops. If instead of sending 1600 x 5 you send 4000 of one and 1000 of the others you see more divines from the second way. I also feel that if you make the blue plants the higher valued ones you get slightly more divines than if you have wheat as the largest crop. Very empirical and not tested but if I was going to guess I would say that my even shipments align with your chart at 100K but with the mixed strategy I would say I see a divine about 20-25% of the time. I have not been doing that recently as I have focused on trying to get a port with 3 high level bonuses in crops by constantly completing them. Mixed shipments of bars and food with $1m plus values consistently give nothing. Just something to share.
Decided to test it. First run: 2 shipments of 7000 x5 and 70,000 dust. 1 shipment in 4 to 1 ration: 20000 wheat, 5000 of the others. 70,000 dust. This totals 40,000 total crops. But is always $630,000 and with the 70000 dust it equals $700K total. So all 3 equal in value. First ship (all Level 10) no divines exalts or annuls. 2 chaos. Second ship (Mostly 8s) No divines One Exalt No Annuls. 2 Chaos Third ship (unbalanced) Three (3) divines, no exalts no annuls 8 chaos. Running another run now but using middle ship for unbalanced one. But so far: EVENx2 0 D 1 EX, UNBALANCED 3D Even accounting for RNG the unbalanced one had three divines not just 1 ship out of 3 that had a single divine.
After 3 sets of runs. Each run had two even distributions and a single unbalanced. So in 6 runs even had 0 Divine 1 Exalted I Annulment In 3 runs unbalanced had 4 divine 2 Exalted and 1 Annul. Also in the 3 runs there were 14 Chaos In the 6 even runs there were about 8 Chaos total. I used a different ship for each unbalanced run. Still super small sample size but results seem to be out of margin of RNG error.
@@johnnyp6202 @johnnyp6202 That's very interesting, but I think you need a bigger sample size.
Did you keep sending these types of ships so far?
@@beefchampion2792 Yes but I am currently starting to save up for a 50 million shipment and do some mirror shard hunting. I did about 6 more sets of runs and the unbalanced was once again ahead. However, with unbalanced I got 3 divines in the 6 shipments. I kept the mix of 2 that are even and 1 that is unbalanced. In those 12 shipments there were 5 divines for the 12 runs. But both of them are within the margin of error. If you look at 9 runs (so 18 total) then balanced had 5 divines over 18 runs and unbalanced had 9 but then if you take away the first 3 it looks to align with the expectation in this video. I still think it is providing more success, but I have not done enough testing to be certain.
@@johnnyp6202 Good luck with those!
It may depend on the type of crop that you send the most of. I still haven't seen anyone test the crops individually or in a style such as yours. And apparently I don't play enough to be able to make such tests. I'm saving crops for the last week and I only have close to 10 million so far.
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In your testing did anyone else come across the bug where the shipments just disappear and the ship is back at the dock? I've noticed a handful of times I'm waiting for the ship to come back and I check and it's docked back with no rewards or issues like it never left, but the resources are gone. There are some bug reports on the forums as well about it.
I was worried I might have accidentally been clicking Abandon or something so I've been extra paranoid about sending shipments and making sure they are on the way, but it still happens that I check back sometimes and it's like the ship never left but resources are gone.
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man the placement at pirate fight tyvm
Good stuff Ziggy!
sent in an 8 million ship to get 3 exalteds back lmao
edit: Just to note the league mechanic is a whole has made me upwards of 40div in total it's the best league mechanic since sanctum for making bank with no real hassle. But sometimes you load up a ship and get nothing, gotta live with that
It means its working. You just rolled unlucky. It has the same rarity as divines.
No it means it's garbage
@@isaacnoneyabizz9630 3 divs from 8 million makes no sense
@@itsnotmily Well if you got 3 exalts and absolutely nothing else then sure it wasn't worth. Lucky you got a bunch of other stuff that you haven't disclosed.
@@isaacnoneyabizz9630 I checked my screenshot, 2 ex 17c and a time rune the rest isn't worth mentioning. But I guess It could have been 1div and 1 ex and then it would check out like Ziggy explained
2 verisium bars to Ribben Fell will always net you 2 runes and 3 scarabs
Was it explained in the video why mixed crops are better than just blue zanth? I've watched it twice and I thought i heard a mention about diminishing returns but I don't see any diminishing return in shipping value when I put up to 300,000 blue zanth in the shipment
I haven't done a lot of shipments , takes me an age to farm gold , But , I do have 2 Divines to my name from shipping , One was under 12 k the other at around 12 k . So I was very happy with those , that's just sending a little of what they want with a little dust thrown in . Like 55 dust .
I want them to change it that your miners have mining crops in the town so they can always farm ore. But overall reduce the amount of ore and food farmed in the town, add a food refinement process, and make it that in maps you can find mining or food deposits for your workers to come and retrieve. This means that playing casually will be easier with this mechanic, and playing more hours rewards more overall.
Great stuff, thanks for sharing Ziggy! Any chance you can also link the full doc you were showing and maybe even include the data?
the 700k strat doesnt seem to be working as shown in the video. i get pretty much the same stuff as just shipping 2/3k of each food
Hello can I get some clarification on the 50mil shipment? Where is it shipped to? What about risk%? Because sending six lv10 sailors to Kalgur it still has like 10% risk and its scary to just have it poof.
Great video. I am curious, did y'all do any research into the non currency rewards? with disenchanting revolving around ilvl of mods, it would be interesting to know some break points around the non currency rewards.
That's insane. So best to not send any crops till you get to 50 either with or without dust. And for ssf, if you need for example a belt upgrade, you just use all your dust (up to 1:1) for Ngakanu with petrified amber.
I definitely confirm this as well. sent a 7mil shipment with a 6div and 1 mirror shard and then today sent an 8.4mil shipment and received 4 div and 2 mirror shards. So I have been saving up and just sending between 7mil and 10mil shipments.
Thanks for all the test
Someone could calculate the increase in shipment value for Kalguur vs. Riben Fell/shorter ports by looking at the increase in risk. Longer shipments have more risk than shorter ones, which is probably directly related to a hidden shipment value multiplier.
thumbs up for the segment, dont think i've ever thumbs up'd a ziggy video
One thing, did I understand you correctly that sailing distance does not matter at all?
Thanks for all of the testing. This will come in handy. One question, though. I play SSF and am trying to Ynda's Stand. What would be the best strategy to get this belt?
Any idea if there is a minimum shipment value in order to get captured by pirates? Sending lots of small shipments might get you more boss encounters if the Admiral isn't too picky about the loot.
Has anyone tested the idea that completing more quotas, will give better results on future shipments? Like a character that has completed a port 4-5+ times vs a character that is sending their first 50mil shipment? Thanks for the vid!
nice, thx man, pretty neat info here, cheers :)
Used to spam 100 ship value - did for Riben Fell and got two nice scarabs that kickstarted my build. But after that send them to nearby Karui settlement for stack decks. Got so many it sold well in large quantities... and did 50mln once (and no more, rolling for good farmers - or any other worker - is pain) and got 7 divs, 3 sacred orbs, 2 Power Runes and 4 mirror shards.
iirc sending crops to far away ports raises the risk of your sailors eating all that food and leaving almost no reward for you
What about the "favor" system? Was this proven to affect gains, or did it end up being more tied to player level?
thanks for the imformative vid, and the sponser segment was great haha :D. The shipping however feels much worse after the changes than they did before, i was hoping they would revert the changes cause i dont like this meta of 1 bar / 50 mil ship or know you are screwing yourself over a bit by sending less ( 5 mil ships )
I'm very interested in a chart from the video about the probability of obtaining Divine Orbs in relation to item value. May I ask where I can find the document shown in the video?
the chart from time 6:30
Did they change something about these numbers allready? I did 7 shippings today, all 800k or higher and I didn't see a single divine orb or any other currency item of the same tier. No sacred orbs or exalted orbs, nothing. I feel cheated...
Same
yea, I got 1 Div in 15 shipments (each 900k, half crops, half dust). The probability for that (taking the 50% Div for 700k) is below 0.05%, when extrapolated to 60% much lower even at 0.002%.
And it's not like I get good currency apart from Divs (4 Chaos, 3 Regals, 2 Vaal plus gumball).
@@RedSunT yeah, that tracks with my experience right now.
I upgraded my sailors, now I do ca. 1.5 million points, half crops, half dust. Got 1 divine and 1 exalted that could have been a divine in 4 shippings, with again no other currency of that tier or a higher tier.
I remain unconvinced of the established statistics.
Where do you send the 50 mil shipments to? Ngakanu? Or do you look for ones that have crop quotas
@ziggyd so , abotu teh favored resources point. this is just me thinking about it logically, but most ppl seem to assume that favored resources will "give a bonus" to the shipment they are sent with. how do we know that favored rss is not just an upgrade for all future shipments ?
the reason i am asking this is simply because the favored rss are clearly a very hard thing to get. it wouldn't make sense if the intention by GGG is to boost one single shipment value by a marginal amount when some ppl need literally weeks to collect all those ores.
so what do we know about this exactly ?
12:32 so many Seven's in one place, easy to remember :D
I managed to get so many great shipments since the change, including a mirror shard with a baby shipment lol to me, the most important is the boats are always out and keep rolling the dice
Amazing job!!!
So, all the ore other than versi is useless now not worth to gather during map? Then we should remove high tier mining and smelter to lower hiring fee too?
ZiggyD doing Grimro's work in 3.25.
I always sent shipments to Cowgirl port, for my logic the further, longer route brings better loot. Well New Zealand logic is different it seems.
One big thing that have been totally ignored and put aside for a time now is:
- What to do with bars now (outside of just stocking them)
- What about the "overall level" of the port(s), as there was an early rumor of a "level" of each ports or even a global one
- Is that worth completing the port's request (for exemple Riben Fell) and fishing for a double/triple crop request for preparing a big shipment?
Seems bars are a lower level or maybe recombining reward since you get Loot 2.0 back. Even stocked when you complete orders you run out. You can fish for double/triple crop bonuses but as stated when you go for 50mil shipments the bonus would be marginal, but when doing regular 1-5mil shipments I think it will definitely benefit. People also forget because they're not meta, that's how you get league uniques. So it's just like heist, many different reward types but you end up just focusing on two, crops/dust in this case.
Well done sir!
went back and watched the sponsored content per the comment section. well worth it.
Ok I’m liking the video just because the sponsor segment
but what do I do with a bunch of bars ? :)