I think I was shooting rainbows out of my eyes by the end of this stream XD As the saying goes now: *NoeFure gachi da!* 2:55 This is kinda an issue with the perception of outsiders. In lesbian relationships you dont follow typical gender roles. The idea of "you are the boyfriend, I'm the girlfriend" doesnt exist. They are both girlfriends. The reason people like to label and file away like that is because certain aspects are associated with those "roles". Even though we know that in heterosexual relationships those roles also dont really apply anymore in the modern age, it's something convenient as Noel says. It's true that some lesbians will assume that for example a butch girl will be like a boyfriend. In fact often sadly masculine girls are perceived as a boyfriend replacement to some. I quite like that NoelFlare are not trying to play along with this stereotype. It shows that their relationship is very real. Japanese media has a very skewed perspective on LGBT and that's why a lot of people have misconceptions. It is important and good that pairings like Crossick and NoelFlare show the audience these little details honestly.
Just to add a little bit, people assume male/female roles when they see people in a relationship not because society (well, some may do), but because as humans we are sexually dimorphism species. There's this neat little field called evolutionary psychology that I would urge every person that is capable of reading to look into. I would also think that persons of different cultures would, in general, dislike being gauged by someone from a culture that is not theirs.
@@devildante9 (I'm sorry, my replies were deleted by RUclips a couple of times. It seems some word I use catches the algorythm. Sigh. I'll try once again with different wording.) Humans fall to a lot of natural instincts, but much of our nature has also been strongly altered by culture. Sometimes that can be a negative and sometimes it is a benefit. An initial reaction based on instinct will not control people forever. I can assure you that when you are in contact with homosexual relationships long enough, you start to lose you rigid sense of gender roles. Even more so because they are a construct to begin with. What is a "female role"? Intrinsic gender roles do not work for humans. What constitutes those roles (beyond the absolute bare minimum of mother and father) changes by culture and era, making them completely unreliable factors. The idea of assuming only people who belong to a group can understand how that group functions is entirely unscientific. Frankly, whether people from one culture like being gauged by other cultures is irrelevant to the fact of the matter. If you have a disagreement with my assessment of Japanese media, I prefer you voice it with evidence rather than feelings. You have no idea how and where I got my information from, so you may be surprised that I reflect the opinions of people very much in that culture.
Everyone knows you touch your homie's bare leg, hug them from behind while they're cooking, and and buy custom-fitted platinum marriage rings with each other's names and meeting date enrgraved into them. That's just what homies do
Yeah, it's why Matsuri had to put a little distance between herself and Luna, as she was worried she might actually cross that line. Hopefully Noel and Flare can find a way to straddle that line, if they are indeed romantically interested in eachother, as I would hate to see it come back to bite them. Although in a perfect world they would just say "fuck it, fuck the haters, fuck overly obsessed and entitled idol purists, we're dating now". But I don't think we live in that world just yet.
Zeik56 I dream of a world where everyone can be that chill. So here’s my plan: we get weed production booming and then hotbox the whole planet by burning all of it in strategic locations in order to mellow everyone tf out.
@@MinkxiTes mean it's true. Idol culture will still definitely be there but I think at this point we all know it's not really a super serious idol group. Vtubers are practically in a class of its own and should be treated as such. And the toxicity that is behind the pure and untouched idol should really go away. Even though they have avatars and etc, they are still fueled by humans just like ourselves. People got NEEDS and to ignore them for our own selfish gain is just too sad. I'll be honest and it hard to see it, but it's so beautiful someone was able to find another. All one can do is be happy for them
Tamaki: "Can I give my opinion? It'll be short." Tamaki: *le epic rant* Tamaki no we don't do the seme/uke thing any more you old fart get with the times. Noel is onee-sama.
Flare x Noel = wholesome couple Clliope x Kiara = yeah an awesome couple Korone x Okayu = TEE TEE Me x My Phone = "MOM! CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO? I WANT TO GIVE SOMEONE MONEY!!
God, their response to "who is the husband and who is the wife" is big gay energy. Hets would have some sort of actual answer, gays are just like "lol, u srs???"...
@@merinMeriyarin Right? I feel like this is the first time I've really heard Noel reject the more fan friendly answer of "Flare is the husband w" for a more real one. Usually Noel keeps a veneer over everything and is the one to bring Flare back in line when she gets too rowdy, so I was really glad to hear her take the time to give a thoughtful answer. Having realistic representation is super important, especially in conservative countries with very little LGBT+ support. That's my Danchou!!
I just can't get over the fact that Tamaki's face and voice is exactly like mine during the stream. Just can't stop smilling. It's funny. Ahhhh it's been a while since the last time I had this kind of feeling. Feels good man.
I still remember how Pekora had some doubts about those two relationship and she wasn’t the only one... We fans will never know unless they announce it but I doubt they do if they are dating since being homosexual in Japan isn’t good and also they are idols.
@@yso-serious1759 I would think too but there are so many moments between those two that doesn’t seem just being close friends and It would be strange how they go so far just for fan service. Example of couples that they are doing for fan service are pekomiko, aqushio, watahaato, marirushi ect. Like I said before we don’t know for sure but at least we know for sure they are really close. Ps. Yes they are idols
Ok so Im pretty sure because of their policy they are not allowed to be in a relation ship with anyone, since they are everyone’s idol, but at this point I don’t think any listeners would be upset if those two got married.
Cute clip ofc, but hopefully people learned something from watching as well: stop trying to apply hetero norms/conventions to gay people. It often makes no sense.
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Thats not what people are doing. Boyfriend/girlfriend = top/bottom. Pretty simple to figure out
@ That is the exact wrong way to approach it. Aside from the fact that such gender roles are outdated even in het relationships, it simply doesnt apply.
My face the whole time: 😲😏😁 These two are so cute I can't xD I felt so much _kilig_ my unwell ass actually got up from the bed. I guess teetee moments can cure sickness too.😂 *Kilig - that excited, giddy feeling you get when you see something that makes you go 'ah, that's romantic!' Kinda like teetee but not really.
@@kaedekitajima9833 Mas marketed sa mga lalake ang vtubers kaya siguro ganun. Meron din mga female fans ng vtubers for sure, pero karamihan siguro di binanggit na babae sila. Kundi nga dahil sa pangalan mo baka iassume ko rin na lalake ka. XD
1:32 what does listener means? I mean I know what is a listener, literally speaking. But in this case, is it like when you just sit there watching the other party flirt around like they even forgot you were there. Something like that?
To attack. But in the context of homosexual relationships between men it basically means the dominant one. Many female shippers tend to use the terms seme (dom/top) and uke (sub/bottom) for most relationships though, even if it is a BL term.
![Sukoya and Tomoe being a couple for 8 mins straight (Is the Crossick ship legit? Part 1) [ENG SUB]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2PioKD6Y2V8/mqdefault.jpg)
I think I was shooting rainbows out of my eyes by the end of this stream XD
As the saying goes now: *NoeFure gachi da!*
2:55 This is kinda an issue with the perception of outsiders. In lesbian relationships you dont follow typical gender roles. The idea of "you are the boyfriend, I'm the girlfriend" doesnt exist. They are both girlfriends. The reason people like to label and file away like that is because certain aspects are associated with those "roles". Even though we know that in heterosexual relationships those roles also dont really apply anymore in the modern age, it's something convenient as Noel says. It's true that some lesbians will assume that for example a butch girl will be like a boyfriend. In fact often sadly masculine girls are perceived as a boyfriend replacement to some. I quite like that NoelFlare are not trying to play along with this stereotype. It shows that their relationship is very real.
Japanese media has a very skewed perspective on LGBT and that's why a lot of people have misconceptions. It is important and good that pairings like Crossick and NoelFlare show the audience these little details honestly.
i love this comment the most since i have the same opinion too. so, i'll pin it
dude i literally see you on every vtuber yuri related video and i just wanna say that im your #1 fan
Totally agree with this! Very well said!!!
Just to add a little bit, people assume male/female roles when they see people in a relationship not because society (well, some may do), but because as humans we are sexually dimorphism species. There's this neat little field called evolutionary psychology that I would urge every person that is capable of reading to look into. I would also think that persons of different cultures would, in general, dislike being gauged by someone from a culture that is not theirs.
@@devildante9 (I'm sorry, my replies were deleted by RUclips a couple of times. It seems some word I use catches the algorythm. Sigh. I'll try once again with different wording.)
Humans fall to a lot of natural instincts, but much of our nature has also been strongly altered by culture. Sometimes that can be a negative and sometimes it is a benefit.
An initial reaction based on instinct will not control people forever. I can assure you that when you are in contact with homosexual relationships long enough, you start to lose you rigid sense of gender roles. Even more so because they are a construct to begin with. What is a "female role"? Intrinsic gender roles do not work for humans. What constitutes those roles (beyond the absolute bare minimum of mother and father) changes by culture and era, making them completely unreliable factors.
The idea of assuming only people who belong to a group can understand how that group functions is entirely unscientific. Frankly, whether people from one culture like being gauged by other cultures is irrelevant to the fact of the matter. If you have a disagreement with my assessment of Japanese media, I prefer you voice it with evidence rather than feelings. You have no idea how and where I got my information from, so you may be surprised that I reflect the opinions of people very much in that culture.
"Flare won't keep her hands off me."
"In my defense, she's really hot."
It's a very solid defense, we really can't say anything against it! lol
gotta admit it, we act like Tamaki on this stream
Truly.
true
Indeed
It's not we act like Tamaki. It's he that act like us
@@duckthemug4662 But what if he IS one of us?
Tamaki is projecting the chats feeling.
She really is.
@@Necroneer strangely enough, tamaki's character is a he
@@box15ck I call her a she regardless.
@@Necroneer understandable, have a great a day.
Tamaki's 18cm can sense these things. It's like an antenna.
Everyone knows you touch your homie's bare leg, hug them from behind while they're cooking, and and buy custom-fitted platinum marriage rings with each other's names and meeting date enrgraved into them. That's just what homies do
If you don't kiss the homies goodnight are you really homies?
I love how we can tell Tamaki is grinning as well.
lmao i love it when theres a question bout touching flare is basically like 'i touch her legs on sight.' what a woman of culture
It's is his stream, and he stand in the corner.
like us.
Tamaki-chan shrank more and more as the stream went on and by the time the "I love you game" started Tamaki-chan just left the screen lol
1:24
*Looks at Noel*
*Insert Korone "Hm, Yes"*
"Which is the snack, Flare? The onion or Noel?"
I totally read that in Korone's voice.
@@thunderbird3304 can u give me the link of that? Ofcourse the translated one
@@what_i_think4996 No one said that. I came up with the quote myself
@@thunderbird3304 Flare: UHH YES-
A friend once said to me "Flare and Noel arent gay." I need to show him this. lol.
Yes, they're lesbiab
Less bien
Girls
lesbeans
@@reedmub0 lezbeenz
@@OkashiiAmerican fck yeah
Isn't the same thing?
Yuri = relationship between two girls
Even though idols aren't meant to have relationships I believe people want noel and flare to become an official couple.
Relationships with mans, not with other “idols”, that’s commonly accepted (imo).
@@74vtuberlover54 It terms of like flirting yeah, but actual relationships is a pretty solid line they aren't supposed to cross
Yeah, it's why Matsuri had to put a little distance between herself and Luna, as she was worried she might actually cross that line. Hopefully Noel and Flare can find a way to straddle that line, if they are indeed romantically interested in eachother, as I would hate to see it come back to bite them.
Although in a perfect world they would just say "fuck it, fuck the haters, fuck overly obsessed and entitled idol purists, we're dating now". But I don't think we live in that world just yet.
Zeik56 I dream of a world where everyone can be that chill. So here’s my plan: we get weed production booming and then hotbox the whole planet by burning all of it in strategic locations in order to mellow everyone tf out.
@@andrew_h6 you're the leader this world needs
God this was so てえてえ
I loved Tamaki's blissful face and how he absolutely went off when talking about their relationship like same
She...
she.......
@@res4rrection The character’s a dude
Despite everything
So basically they are saying they ARE a couple but not officially saying they are a couple.
The ship has truly set sail and honeymooned.
??unit what
@@merinMeriyarin you know, a couple but not officially saying they are a couple
Edit: changed prior to reflect.
@@Geese17 ah ok understable
probably because of some weird fans potentially getting a fit if "their" idol gets in a relationship
@@MinkxiTes
mean it's true. Idol culture will still definitely be there but I think at this point we all know it's not really a super serious idol group.
Vtubers are practically in a class of its own and should be treated as such. And the toxicity that is behind the pure and untouched idol should really go away. Even though they have avatars and etc, they are still fueled by humans just like ourselves.
People got NEEDS and to ignore them for our own selfish gain is just too sad. I'll be honest and it hard to see it, but it's so beautiful someone was able to find another.
All one can do is be happy for them
a typhoon just hit and here i am grinning because of these two
kapit lang kabayan
@@gabinooodle5308 hahaha ako rin
"I will make it short" 4:21
Not the lenght of my comment, but the time for me to give it. * begins to rap *
Tamaki sure knows which questions to ask lol
Thank you for the translation and bless Tamaki ~
glad you enjoyed this translation!
This tamaki fellow is living the life!!
Can’t believe she witnessed that first HAND
dude crossdressing as a girl but also voiced by a girl. i dont know
lol someone fell for the trap though to be fair its a very unique trap.
Tamaki's facial expressions are the best part of this interview..
Yep, this is making me 10000% convinced that they ain't playing, they're either secretly dating or maybe they're just.... *FRIENDS.*
No they're not FRIENDS, but
*BEST FRIENDS*
*GASP* They must be ROOMMATES
Maximum Homies
they're cousins
@@andrewdiaz932 hold your alabama
Tamaki: "Can I give my opinion? It'll be short."
Tamaki: *le epic rant*
Tamaki no we don't do the seme/uke thing any more you old fart get with the times. Noel is onee-sama.
Getting double diabetes when these two talk about each other. 😭
Thank you.
Okayu and Korone T posing: "Te tete te-te-tete"
Tamaki's face is made out of pure bliss.
Tamaki : I've seen enough, i satisfied
Tamaki's reaction is the same as mine! Just:
:D
Just like your profile picture.
Been waiting for clips from the stream
Tamaki represents me in a spiritual level
i once again thank you for your translations
thank you! glad you enjoyed this translation!
Noel: the way she acts is really like a dog
Tamaki, who's a dog kemonomimi: 1:15
I was Rooting for NoeFure and well now I'm genuinely happy this is a thing, and also this was so cute I have the Diabetus now, very kawaii!
Let go lesbians LETS GO LESBIANS
GAY RIGHTS
LETS GOOO
COMING AROUND THE CORNER A BUNCH OF LESBIANS-
Y E E H A W
I love u guys
just GET MARRY ALREADY!!!! this teetee is too much for me to handle :v
Flare x Noel = wholesome couple
Clliope x Kiara = yeah an awesome couple
Korone x Okayu = TEE TEE
Me x My Phone = "MOM! CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO? I WANT TO GIVE SOMEONE MONEY!!
Tamaki losing it over how cute they are is a giant mood
Thank you 🙏 for your hard work
thanks! glad you enjoyed this!
God, their response to "who is the husband and who is the wife" is big gay energy. Hets would have some sort of actual answer, gays are just like "lol, u srs???"...
yeah her response to that question is surprisingly the most normal, logical and mature one, here i thought she would play along with that question.
@@merinMeriyarin Right? I feel like this is the first time I've really heard Noel reject the more fan friendly answer of "Flare is the husband w" for a more real one. Usually Noel keeps a veneer over everything and is the one to bring Flare back in line when she gets too rowdy, so I was really glad to hear her take the time to give a thoughtful answer. Having realistic representation is super important, especially in conservative countries with very little LGBT+ support. That's my Danchou!!
I just can't get over the fact that Tamaki's face and voice is exactly like mine during the stream. Just can't stop smilling. It's funny.
Ahhhh it's been a while since the last time I had this kind of feeling. Feels good man.
Tamaki is just mood
...I mean, of course Flare is the leading one, it was kinda obvious.
2:41 *Tamaki has ascended into heaven* Same
they're precious,,,
I kept going "ehehehe" and "ahahaha" during the whole clip. *Help, i need the whole stream* gahhh
They’re so effin’ cute! Wedding when?
This entire stream was just Tamaki in bliss
I would like to be Tamaki's "boyfriend".
Tamaki is representing us, the viewer... and thank you for the quality sub
Its feel like watching NoelFlare stream and Tamaki become a guest
Sometimes i forgot that Tamaki also in here
てぇてぇ
That Tamaki rant about boke/seme reminds me of a certain fox's rant on glasses.
Tamaki really comes from the manga industru sweet jfc
Tamaki's expression is so me
Tamaki kun, thank you for representing all of us
もう成仏していいやつだ
RIGHT! girlfriends
*Remembers how babies drink milk*...
Sasuga Flare
Good job tamaki kun... Represent the viewers .. his ouji san side really showing up.
I LIKE THIS SH*T! U CANT STOP ME
Tamaki is a good MC
My fantasy is overdrive
I get it, Tamaki. I really do...
don't lie, we all ascended to heaven just like tamaki
Every since I listened to it on archived I've wanted to see it translated for shipping purposes. You da man.
Holy shit thats some speed talking right there.
My reaction is just Tamaki reaction
I cried rainbows
That day, Tamaki had type 3 diabetes
Haha those Tamaki reactions XD
Tamaki is cute
Blessed clip
*when you make the same elated noises that Tamaki makes*
i cannot stop grinning pls help me if they said they were dating i will fucking cry and aAAAAAAAA SO CUTE
i want gf to bls gib one
girl x girl
My godness... too much teetee, my little gloomy loner heart can't handle this... 😂
ABLE.
Sht.. My heart.. Can't take this
Are they actually together in real life(as in girlfriends) or are they just really good friends and likes being kinda lovey dovey?
I feel like the latter
I still remember how Pekora had some doubts about those two relationship and she wasn’t the only one...
We fans will never know unless they announce it but I doubt they do if they are dating since being homosexual in Japan isn’t good and also they are idols.
@@susannahu2985 Idols?
I think they are really good friends and are only lovey dovey to each other for fan service but who knows lol
@@yso-serious1759 I would think too but there are so many moments between those two that doesn’t seem just being close friends and It would be strange how they go so far just for fan service.
Example of couples that they are doing for fan service are pekomiko, aqushio, watahaato, marirushi ect.
Like I said before we don’t know for sure but at least we know for sure they are really close.
Ps. Yes they are idols
Ok so Im pretty sure because of their policy they are not allowed to be in a relation ship with anyone, since they are everyone’s idol, but at this point I don’t think any listeners would be upset if those two got married.
Ah, i found proof.
TMT its been fun simping bai bai.
Thirdwheel with Tamaki here
Tamaki is the epitome of: "RIGHT THAT DOWN. RIGHT THAT DOWN" in this video lol
This was so sugary sweet, it made my teeth rot LOL ❤️
Its very cute of them. They are the third couple that I absolutely adore. GunKan and SukoMoe will always be a bit higher, sorry.
The line between real and acting is getting blurry
Cute clip ofc, but hopefully people learned something from watching as well: stop trying to apply hetero norms/conventions to gay people. It often makes no sense.
Thats not what people are doing. Boyfriend/girlfriend = top/bottom. Pretty simple to figure out
Bruh
@ That is the exact wrong way to approach it. Aside from the fact that such gender roles are outdated even in het relationships, it simply doesnt apply.
@ bruh it’s already 2020 & u still really think that boyfriend = top & girlfriend = bottom lol
@@butterkukki u dumb as fuck. It's figurative not literal.
girlfriends lets goooo
My face the whole time: 😲😏😁
These two are so cute I can't xD I felt so much _kilig_ my unwell ass actually got up from the bed. I guess teetee moments can cure sickness too.😂
*Kilig - that excited, giddy feeling you get when you see something that makes you go 'ah, that's romantic!' Kinda like teetee but not really.
Kala ko ako lang may alam tungkol dito😂😂😂
Hello po
@@kaedekitajima9833 Wow, pinay na nahulog sa rabbit hole? Bihira mga tulad mo... Although babae din ako. XD
@@HudaefCares kala ko ako lang babae na nahulog sa rabbit hole good thing i was wrong
@@kaedekitajima9833 Mas marketed sa mga lalake ang vtubers kaya siguro ganun. Meron din mga female fans ng vtubers for sure, pero karamihan siguro di binanggit na babae sila. Kundi nga dahil sa pangalan mo baka iassume ko rin na lalake ka. XD
@@HudaefCares mhmm sabagay baguhan pa lang ako sa rabbit hole eh 1 month pa lang
noefla
tam
1:32 what does listener means? I mean I know what is a listener, literally speaking. But in this case, is it like when you just sit there watching the other party flirt around like they even forgot you were there. Something like that?
No, it is listeners as in people who listen to the stream.
So the chat, basically.
YURIIIII! YURIIIIIIII! (●♡∀♡)♡
♡(> ਊ
Wait, are they actually dating?
TT>DT
are they really dating? I think Yagoo might be lenient enough to let them...
who said they're prohibited to be dating? are you an insider or somethin'? aloe incident? lol ok
Teetee
Are they or are they not a couple?
Ah so flare is seme and noel is uke
Wait are hamburgers considered kids food? What even is kids food?
lol
what does seme mean?
To attack. But in the context of homosexual relationships between men it basically means the dominant one.
Many female shippers tend to use the terms seme (dom/top) and uke (sub/bottom) for most relationships though, even if it is a BL term.
@@yoursonisold8743 thanks
Guys japanese entertainment industry is 95 percent scripted. They know fans gobble this shit up. Some of you are real gullable.
Good thing this is the other 5% then, huh?