Hallo, ik heb een kleine verzameling camera's en recorders van de jaren 80 - 90 en koop nog regelmatig bij. Als ik wat meer tijd krijg zal ik regelmatig iets maken rond deze camera's en recorders. Tussendoor post ik af en toe eens iets. Ben je geinteresseerd in oude professionele en consumer camera's?
Hey, I have a Sony DVW 700 and I'm new to all this professional video equipment. Is there anyway to archived this type of video quality with my camera. Can also list the equipment need to do so tapeless.
Hello, unfortunately I'm afraid not. The camera does not have a component (YPbPr) output. So only a Composite video output. Logically it is a full digital camera. There you can not achieve that quality. But... The Digital Betacam is already so good. So if you record with tape you achieve the same quality and possibly better. You have to buy a Digital Betacam player, take the digital output and connect it with e.g. a "Blackmagic UltraStudio Recorder 3G" via thunderbold to your PC or Laptop and capture with OBS studio or the included Black Magic software. e.g. Digital Betacam www.ebay.com/itm/364963431383?itmmeta=01J1078C8CR6CPAEBV556ERQT1&hash=item54f98403d7:g:A64AAOSw-pxmdcc1
Hello! My name is Jacob, I am a narrative filmmaker from CalArts. A lot of us have been rebelling against the latest trends in cameras and images. We have gone back to shooting on tape. I am very interested in these videos and your knowledge of these cameras along with their transfer to more modern resolutions and output. Is there a community I can join to keep up with and learn more from online?
Hi Jacob, I don't know of any online communities on this topic. There are forums and individuals, also here on youtube who have the same interest but not in a community as far as I know. You can always contact me if you have any questions, I will try to help you further. My motivation is to show here on youtube how SD video from any source really was. Here on youtube you see many SD videos that look shabby and give a wrong idea of what SD video looks like. Other than that, it's just a fun (getting out of hand) hobby for me. For the rest I am very happy with my Sigma FP with which I film in Cenema dng.😉 I am curious what you have done though.
@@videotaperetro1126 Sorry for such a late reply! I’ve been doing some travel and work. I would love to show work and ask a couple more questions! I’ll shoot a message through your profile.
I'm trying to budget out a little studio setup, and I want this exact look. To be clear I'm new to this older stuff but I'm trying to learn as much as I can in the next year. What other cameras should I keep an eye out that have a similar look? You said you made your own cord for the CCZ to YPbPr? Is there a purchasable alternative? What kind of a video switcher was used with a camera of this era? Would that already have a composite out?
Hello Homer, what exactly is the purpose of this studio setup. After all, this material is from the analog SD period. Long gone in the past. I'll take a look at your questions.
@@videotaperetro1126 Its for a live stream that me and a group of college kids do. We are in love with the later 90s broadcast SD look, but we are looking for something around 720 like you managed with this camera.
@@videotaperetro1126 Really my biggest question is this: would the resolution that you achieved be lost, if rather than going directly from the composite to the AJA to your capture, you first have the composite out of the camera go to a video mixer then have the composite out of the video mixer go to the AJA, then the capture? That way I could have a multi-cam setup.
@@homerbenadryl4859 Homer I don't use the composite output of the camera. I use the component output. It's not the same thing. Composite is the signal that used to be used in broadcast and also in the home by e.g. a consumer VHS recorder. A better option is S-video output from the camera. Hi8 and Super VHS or DV camcorders have this video output and most mixers have this S-video input and output. This is already a lot better than composite. So even better is component output such as YPbPr or RGB. But only professional cameras like in my video clip have these outputs. I think it is a bit too ambitious to use such camera. You will find them on e-bay and other second hand sites but they will not work anymore. I buy them and repair them. Mixers: Datavideo SE800 has composite s-vieo and component input. Even has SDI output. Datavideo SE 500 has composite and s-video input. Also has component output. All panasonic mixers starting with WJ-xxx are also suitable. You won't lose much resolution. They usually have a bandwidth of 5Mhz for video, which is very good. They digitize the inputs, image goes into a frame buffer and can then be mixed (with effects). My advice: buy some Hi8 or Super VHS or DV camcorders, they are cheap and give reasonably good image. Not like a Prof. camera of course but it is a viable option. The output of the mixer should then go into a device that does digitization, deinterlaced and upscale with of course a digital output (USB, SDI) how you are going to stream you will have to figure out for yourself. pro cameras Sony DXC 327, DXC 537 you must have a studio backend Sony CA-537 Sony camera power supply etc.... Just do it with consumer camcorders.
@@videotaperetro1126 Thank you so much! We have been streaming with a VHS camera like you talked about for the last several months, so upgrading to more professional system is hopefully the goal in the next year. Though, if we're going to buy this sort of equipment I'd like to be very knowledgable of it first, so your info is very helpful. Do you have any advice on books that explain his legacy equipment in more depth? Also, I see a lot of ebay listings that say cameras like these that they sell are "working." When you say you often have to fix them, is this because, though they turn on, they have more underlying issues? Does nobody hobby refurbish like yourself and then sell the cameras afterwards?
what's your experience with the AJA converters so far, many would probably favor the BM equivalent bc of its price, but they allegedly run very hot and are more sensitive to the video source material. I can understand the heat issue in a work flow hours on end.
No problems so far. No heating problems eather. It needs a clean source, a vcr output without TBC does not work, no sync. But thats not where i am using it for.
@@videotaperetro1126 nah wouldnt suggest using it directly after a vcr, but its interesting to see that there might be even problems using those converters to digitize the output of old game consoles that dont have digital video output. Apparently a clean signal is not a given there either.
Hey, Y = pin 5, Gnd = 6 R-Y = Pin 4 Gnd = 3 B-Y = Pin 12 Gnd = 13 Power: B = Gnd, A = + 12V Note that usually the camera must be switched between RGB and Component by means of an internal switch. The External switch VTR 1 2 3 (usually) also plays a role because of which signal will come to the pins.
Thanks! Back them they sold CCZ to YPbPr or RGB cables for this cameras but now are difficult to find. What internal switch and external switch position?
@@angelfoto4795 I bought the plug (hirose) and made the cable myself. Hard to say which position for the VRT Switch. This is usually the mode to go to the CCU. So in Studio mode. Or To a Betacam recorder, they also need Component input. You will have to consult the service manual for your camera. Or do you have the same camera?
You made a fantastic camera setup! I would like to make something like yours. I bought a component/ compositor sd video Converter to si output box, not remenber It,s name but IS very similar as your AJA. I hace some 3 tube/ ccd vintage cameras to play with and once seen your cool Channel and set ups, you made me want to do The same with mines 😄. Keep Up de good job! Asier.
You record in 720x576? Do you record from composit? This camera have effective picture elements: 980 x 586 and total picture elements: 1038 x 1188 (Horizontal resolution: 920 TV lines, Vertical resolution: 450 TV lines)... this can be sharper and better.
You have to read the description. Recorded in YPbPr, not composite. You should update your knowledge about the age of analog TV. Despite the fact that we are now digitizing everything and these cameras have already been described as working as digital cameras, they were used purely as an analogue source and there is no other way. And yes, these cameras had a much higher resolution than what was possible in analogue TV broadcasts (400 lines absolute maximum because bandwidth is 8 Mhz). You could attach a Betacam or xdcam recorder to it, then you had a maximum resolution of 400 TV lines. There is not a single captue card or module that can capture SD video at a higher resolution, again all history that I am not going to tell here, would be a long book. There are some cards that can capture in 768x576 (square pixels SD).
And this, are you sure you are watching this video in HD or 4K? (Scaled up of course but you may have to choose it at the bottom of the gear wheel in the youtube player, it is not always automatic)
@@videotaperetro1126 Thanks for responding! This is SD digital video camera and can output digital SD-SDI via Sony CA-TX7 triax camera adaptor. The Sony DXC camera range is low-end of professional broadcast camera, this is camera is from 2001...
My goal was not to offend you, I think you misunderstood me... my goal was to tell you that you have great equipment and a lot of knowledge... but this camera is digital and requires a different approach for better results... btw I watch video in 4k and read the description.
I hadn't understood it that way. I know you mean well. But unfortunately you misunderstand this camera. The internal operation is digital but the output is completely analog according to the Pal standard. This can be composite, YPbPr or even RGB in studio mode with or without CCU. no matter which output you use, you cannot capture more than 720x576 resolution in any way. There is no capture card or anything that can do this. All codecs with which you capture are also all in that standard. you can't capture in say 1080x576. There is not a single device that does that. And of course you should always stick with 576 lines, otherwise you can no longer deinterlace. And what's more, SD video is in 4: 3 ratio. You could solve that by resizing correctly after deinterlacing. But unfortunately there is no way to capture that analog pal signal in that resolution. Don't forget, this camera dates back to the analog SD era when we all watched our CRT television via antenna or cable. There is an SDI output in the CCU but in the SMTPE 259 standard, so 720x576.
@@videotaperetro1126 I am looking for inexpensive ways to shoot tapeless, I looked into your setup and it seems Quite professional and quite expensive... Do you have suggestions for a tight budget tapeless setup?
@@yobleenm You could do it like this: Find and buy a used DV camcorder (its very cheap). You will have to buy some DV tapes. Take the s-vhs output on the camera and connect it to the s-vhs input of the DV camera. The camera must be able to handle s-video input, not all of them can, so be careful. Digital 8 Camcorder is also ok, buy hi8 or digital 8 tapes. The s-vhs connection on the broadcast cameras are usually not the mini-dv connections as we know them on the consumer cameras. So you will have to find a plug and do some soldering. It is also possible that se s-vhs signals are connected to a multi-pole plug on the camera. Same story, you will have to find a plug (usually Hirose as a brand) and some soldering. This is the cheapest solution I know for being mobile and yet digital with good quality.
@@videotaperetro1126 thank you very much for your reply. I must admit that my knowledge regarding old videocamera's is still quite limited, and I have some more questions. You recommend to use dv tapes, but for my project (challenging myself to live a period of time without digital technology, documenting the problems this will cause in all aspects of life, interviewing people with wildly different views on what the implications are of unbridled technologic advancement) I want to use specifically tapes that store the motion picture using an analogue format. Is it possible to use the by you described budget option also using for example vhs? I also stumbled upon the device called Clearclick video to digital converter 2.0. Would it be possible to hook this device to a vhs camcorder and start recording by simply turning on this device? The quality would be probably be automatically compressed but the ease of use might make me consider it the best option if this works. I am hesitant to solder, as I do not have that much experience working with electronics. I hope you can provide me with some answers or online resources about tapeless videocamera setups. Thank you for your time and help, Michaël
@@videotaperetro1126 thanks! Why did you choose to go with the ava analog to digital converter instead of a blackmagic one that also converts stereo audio into the SDI signal? And I'm also wondering why you choose not to apply TBC and DNR?
@@yobleenm I have had this AJA converter for some time. Not specifically purchased for this purpose. But indeed it could just as well be the BM mini converter. And there are others..
Geweldig! Bedankt voor het uploaden van de beelden. Je bent 1 van de weinige op youtube. Heeft u meer beelden?
Hallo, ik heb een kleine verzameling camera's en recorders van de jaren 80 - 90 en koop nog regelmatig bij. Als ik wat meer tijd krijg zal ik regelmatig iets maken rond deze camera's en recorders. Tussendoor post ik af en toe eens iets. Ben je geinteresseerd in oude professionele en consumer camera's?
Hey, I have a Sony DVW 700 and I'm new to all this professional video equipment. Is there anyway to archived this type of video quality with my camera. Can also list the equipment need to do so tapeless.
Hello, unfortunately I'm afraid not. The camera does not have a component (YPbPr) output. So only a Composite video output. Logically it is a full digital camera. There you can not achieve that quality. But... The Digital Betacam is already so good. So if you record with tape you achieve the same quality and possibly better. You have to buy a Digital Betacam player, take the digital output and connect it with e.g. a "Blackmagic UltraStudio Recorder 3G" via thunderbold to your PC or Laptop and capture with OBS studio or the included Black Magic software.
e.g. Digital Betacam
www.ebay.com/itm/364963431383?itmmeta=01J1078C8CR6CPAEBV556ERQT1&hash=item54f98403d7:g:A64AAOSw-pxmdcc1
Congrats and thanks for sharing your footage. Incredible quality image! Good luck and enjoy the new camera!!!
Thanks!
Hello! My name is Jacob, I am a narrative filmmaker from CalArts. A lot of us have been rebelling against the latest trends in cameras and images. We have gone back to shooting on tape. I am very interested in these videos and your knowledge of these cameras along with their transfer to more modern resolutions and output. Is there a community I can join to keep up with and learn more from online?
Hi Jacob, I don't know of any online communities on this topic. There are forums and individuals, also here on youtube who have the same interest but not in a community as far as I know. You can always contact me if you have any questions, I will try to help you further. My motivation is to show here on youtube how SD video from any source really was. Here on youtube you see many SD videos that look shabby and give a wrong idea of what SD video looks like. Other than that, it's just a fun (getting out of hand) hobby for me. For the rest I am very happy with my Sigma FP with which I film in Cenema dng.😉 I am curious what you have done though.
@@videotaperetro1126 Sorry for such a late reply! I’ve been doing some travel and work. I would love to show work and ask a couple more questions! I’ll shoot a message through your profile.
@@jacobdannunzio9479 Ok, I hear it
Do you have more photos of the camera itself like the thumbnail?
I'm trying to budget out a little studio setup, and I want this exact look. To be clear I'm new to this older stuff but I'm trying to learn as much as I can in the next year. What other cameras should I keep an eye out that have a similar look? You said you made your own cord for the CCZ to YPbPr? Is there a purchasable alternative? What kind of a video switcher was used with a camera of this era? Would that already have a composite out?
Hello Homer, what exactly is the purpose of this studio setup. After all, this material is from the analog SD period. Long gone in the past. I'll take a look at your questions.
@@videotaperetro1126 Its for a live stream that me and a group of college kids do. We are in love with the later 90s broadcast SD look, but we are looking for something around 720 like you managed with this camera.
@@videotaperetro1126 Really my biggest question is this: would the resolution that you achieved be lost, if rather than going directly from the composite to the AJA to your capture, you first have the composite out of the camera go to a video mixer then have the composite out of the video mixer go to the AJA, then the capture? That way I could have a multi-cam setup.
@@homerbenadryl4859 Homer I don't use the composite output of the camera. I use the component output. It's not the same thing. Composite is the signal that used to be used in broadcast and also in the home by e.g. a consumer VHS recorder. A better option is S-video output from the camera. Hi8 and Super VHS or DV camcorders have this video output and most mixers have this S-video input and output. This is already a lot better than composite. So even better is component output such as YPbPr or RGB. But only professional cameras like in my video clip have these outputs. I think it is a bit too ambitious to use such camera. You will find them on e-bay and other second hand sites but they will not work anymore. I buy them and repair them.
Mixers: Datavideo SE800 has composite s-vieo and component input. Even has SDI output.
Datavideo SE 500 has composite and s-video input. Also has component output.
All panasonic mixers starting with WJ-xxx are also suitable.
You won't lose much resolution. They usually have a bandwidth of 5Mhz for video, which is very good. They digitize the inputs, image goes into a frame buffer and can then be mixed (with effects). My advice: buy some Hi8 or Super VHS or DV camcorders, they are cheap and give reasonably good image. Not like a Prof. camera of course but it is a viable option. The output of the mixer should then go into a device that does digitization, deinterlaced and upscale with of course a digital output (USB, SDI) how you are going to stream you will have to figure out for yourself.
pro cameras Sony DXC 327, DXC 537 you must have a studio backend Sony CA-537 Sony camera power supply etc.... Just do it with consumer camcorders.
@@videotaperetro1126 Thank you so much! We have been streaming with a VHS camera like you talked about for the last several months, so upgrading to more professional system is hopefully the goal in the next year. Though, if we're going to buy this sort of equipment I'd like to be very knowledgable of it first, so your info is very helpful. Do you have any advice on books that explain his legacy equipment in more depth? Also, I see a lot of ebay listings that say cameras like these that they sell are "working." When you say you often have to fix them, is this because, though they turn on, they have more underlying issues? Does nobody hobby refurbish like yourself and then sell the cameras afterwards?
what's your experience with the AJA converters so far, many would probably favor the BM equivalent bc of its price, but they allegedly run very hot and are more sensitive to the video source material. I can understand the heat issue in a work flow hours on end.
No problems so far. No heating problems eather. It needs a clean source, a vcr output without TBC does not work, no sync. But thats not where i am using it for.
@@videotaperetro1126 nah wouldnt suggest using it directly after a vcr, but its interesting to see that there might be even problems using those converters to digitize the output of old game consoles that dont have digital video output. Apparently a clean signal is not a given there either.
How did you output component video? What pins of the CCZ plug of the adapter outputs are YPbPr?
Hey,
Y = pin 5, Gnd = 6
R-Y = Pin 4 Gnd = 3
B-Y = Pin 12 Gnd = 13
Power: B = Gnd, A = + 12V
Note that usually the camera must be switched between RGB and Component by means of an internal switch. The External switch VTR 1 2 3 (usually) also plays a role because of which signal will come to the pins.
Thanks! Back them they sold CCZ to YPbPr or RGB cables for this cameras but now are difficult to find. What internal switch and external switch position?
@@angelfoto4795 I bought the plug (hirose) and made the cable myself.
Hard to say which position for the VRT Switch. This is usually the mode to go to the CCU. So in Studio mode. Or To a Betacam recorder, they also need Component input. You will have to consult the service manual for your camera. Or do you have the same camera?
@@videotaperetro1126 It's a DXC-30P with the same camera adapter as yours.
@@angelfoto4795 www.manualslib.com/download/697369/Sony-Powerhad-Dxc-D30.html
Your camera has a different connector. Page 147.
You made a fantastic camera setup!
I would like to make something like yours.
I bought a component/ compositor sd video Converter to si output box, not remenber It,s name but IS very similar as your AJA.
I hace some 3 tube/ ccd vintage cameras to play with and once seen your cool Channel and set ups, you made me want to do The same with mines 😄.
Keep Up de good job!
Asier.
You record in 720x576? Do you record from composit? This camera have effective picture elements: 980 x 586 and total picture elements: 1038 x 1188 (Horizontal resolution: 920 TV lines, Vertical resolution: 450 TV lines)... this can be sharper and better.
You have to read the description. Recorded in YPbPr, not composite. You should update your knowledge about the age of analog TV. Despite the fact that we are now digitizing everything and these cameras have already been described as working as digital cameras, they were used purely as an analogue source and there is no other way. And yes, these cameras had a much higher resolution than what was possible in analogue TV broadcasts (400 lines absolute maximum because bandwidth is 8 Mhz). You could attach a Betacam or xdcam recorder to it, then you had a maximum resolution of 400 TV lines. There is not a single captue card or module that can capture SD video at a higher resolution, again all history that I am not going to tell here, would be a long book. There are some cards that can capture in 768x576 (square pixels SD).
And this, are you sure you are watching this video in HD or 4K? (Scaled up of course but you may have to choose it at the bottom of the gear wheel in the youtube player, it is not always automatic)
@@videotaperetro1126 Thanks for responding! This is SD digital video camera and can output digital SD-SDI via Sony CA-TX7
triax camera adaptor. The Sony DXC camera range is low-end of professional broadcast camera, this is camera is from 2001...
My goal was not to offend you, I think you misunderstood me... my goal was to tell you that you have great equipment and a lot of knowledge... but this camera is digital and requires a different approach for better results... btw I watch video in 4k and read the description.
I hadn't understood it that way. I know you mean well. But unfortunately you misunderstand this camera. The internal operation is digital but the output is completely analog according to the Pal standard. This can be composite, YPbPr or even RGB in studio mode with or without CCU. no matter which output you use, you cannot capture more than 720x576 resolution in any way. There is no capture card or anything that can do this. All codecs with which you capture are also all in that standard. you can't capture in say 1080x576. There is not a single device that does that. And of course you should always stick with 576 lines, otherwise you can no longer deinterlace. And what's more, SD video is in 4: 3 ratio. You could solve that by resizing correctly after deinterlacing. But unfortunately there is no way to capture that analog pal signal in that resolution. Don't forget, this camera dates back to the analog SD era when we all watched our CRT television via antenna or cable. There is an SDI output in the CCU but in the SMTPE 259 standard, so 720x576.
Did you shoot the footage tapeless?
Yes, it is all in the description.
@@videotaperetro1126 I am looking for inexpensive ways to shoot tapeless, I looked into your setup and it seems Quite professional and quite expensive... Do you have suggestions for a tight budget tapeless setup?
@@yobleenm You could do it like this: Find and buy a used DV camcorder (its very cheap). You will have to buy some DV tapes. Take the s-vhs output on the camera and connect it to the s-vhs input of the DV camera. The camera must be able to handle s-video input, not all of them can, so be careful. Digital 8 Camcorder is also ok, buy hi8 or digital 8 tapes. The s-vhs connection on the broadcast cameras are usually not the mini-dv connections as we know them on the consumer cameras. So you will have to find a plug and do some soldering. It is also possible that se s-vhs signals are connected to a multi-pole plug on the camera. Same story, you will have to find a plug (usually Hirose as a brand) and some soldering. This is the cheapest solution I know for being mobile and yet digital with good quality.
@@videotaperetro1126 thank you very much for your reply. I must admit that my knowledge regarding old videocamera's is still quite limited, and I have some more questions. You recommend to use dv tapes, but for my project (challenging myself to live a period of time without digital technology, documenting the problems this will cause in all aspects of life, interviewing people with wildly different views on what the implications are of unbridled technologic advancement) I want to use specifically tapes that store the motion picture using an analogue format. Is it possible to use the by you described budget option also using for example vhs? I also stumbled upon the device called Clearclick video to digital converter 2.0. Would it be possible to hook this device to a vhs camcorder and start recording by simply turning on this device? The quality would be probably be automatically compressed but the ease of use might make me consider it the best option if this works. I am hesitant to solder, as I do not have that much experience working with electronics. I hope you can provide me with some answers or online resources about tapeless videocamera setups. Thank you for your time and help, Michaël
@@videotaperetro1126 did you read my reply?
How did you record the audio?
The microphone is a Sony ecm ms2 stereo microphone direct connected to the Black magic Video assist 4k with 48v phantom power from the video assist.
@@videotaperetro1126 thanks! Why did you choose to go with the ava analog to digital converter instead of a blackmagic one that also converts stereo audio into the SDI signal? And I'm also wondering why you choose not to apply TBC and DNR?
Would love to see a behind the scenes of this setup!
@@yobleenm apparently the bm stuff overheats in certain applications, or at least gets very hot, couldn't confirm it though myself
@@yobleenm I have had this AJA converter for some time. Not specifically purchased for this purpose. But indeed it could just as well be the BM mini converter. And there are others..