@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods he was helping me with the Tantra Leather guys. He has some amazing photos of the colors. I was pretty hesitant at first about their leather but I'm super glad I reached out, Amazing dude for sure!
This has helped me tremendously. I used to get resolene all over my hands even with gloves. Tokonole is amazing. Beautiful finish and such an awesome time saver! Can't thank you enough for sharing.
Burnishing is probably my least favorite part about completing my builds and I never wanted to spend the money on a burnishing machine, but with your reviews I am probably going to make the move! Appreciate the vids, newly subbed! I spend a good amount on Sedgwick bends for my briefcase builds so I mine as well spend the money to make my burnishing quicker and probably better.
I've been using Grog markers here in the UK for dying my edges for a while now, never thought Tokonole would work in it - maybe have to give that a go... Thanks for the tip!
Great advice, thank you! I saw this technique briefly in another video and tried it BUT I didn’t realise there were different pens so I was using one like the Montana marker! When it didn’t work I searched and found your video, and much more guidance. Thanks again!
Since I had the accidental event of leaving the cap off my Grog 10 ml pen, I searched for a replacement nib. I searched for Grog Squeezer 10 and found a site that sell the exact replacement for it. In two different materials (the spongy material in the tip). Easy to search for. Now my Tokonole pen works like new. (before getting my new tips, I poked a bunch of holes, with a needle, through my dried out tip. It worked a little until I got my new tips)
I did some research and actually bought the Grog first.. Yes , Im a genius. Paid 13 bucks for the 2 of them and 4 bucks for shipping, from France , on E-Bay.. Cheers from Montreal.
Agreed. A 50/50 mix is a great for edge pens. I use the method all the time AFTER I use different pens filled with dye. Always do the edge dyeing first.👍 😉. As far as getting a great burnish with Chrome Exel ,..no thank you. Those edges beg for PAINT. Trying to burnish Chrome Exel is like ice skating uphill. Why do so much work that results in a mediocre edge? Prime it, layer three coats of Uniters leather acrylic then finish with a satin Fiebings glaze. *perfection*. Cheers Tim! 🍺😉
I've been fighting a grog marker for a few months after seeing this video because I wasn't getting the flow out of it that I wanted - because I thought, like the Montana and Angelus markers, you push the tip down to flow more product. I re-watched and realized the item name "Squeezer" should have been a hint! Now I'll offer you a hint - instead of that mixing-in-a-cup nonsense, just get yourself some 10ml syringes to evenly measure the Tokenole and water, squirt it directly into the marker, then shake the heck out of it. You can get them on Amazon - 100 for $17 - , or just ask anyone who works in healthcare to get you a few "flushes" (they just contain saline that can be rinsed out). They're also great for getting paint into the bigger Montana markers. I use disposable pipettes for getting paint into the smaller marker, especially when they require diluting with a thinner the way Angelus does! I hope this helps - and saves you from a mess!
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Good luck! For painting Angelus, I use either the Angelus 3mm markers or Daler-Rowney 1mm markers, depending on the level of detail I need.
I was going to ask you about the ratio of water and tokonole that you used, and I remember watching this video before, as always grateful for your tips and tricks, I'll try it in the next video, best regards bro! 🙌🏼 3:00
I bought that cheap burnisher a few years ago and wasn't impressed with it for sanding / burnishing as it's motor is underpowered -- especially if you're trying to work on a strap or belt. I upgraded to the Cobra burnisher (look into it for future reference) and it was one of my better investments. As for the cheap burnisher, I tossed out the drum sanding parts and installed the honing jigs that came with it and I'm very impressed with the results I get polishing the edges of my skiving knives, edgers, X-Acto blades, etc., It just takes a few seconds time to get razor sharp edges. You just need to make the leather wheels that fit into the jig.
Oh man the Cobras are nice! For what I'm doing, this one is perfect. I have had my eye on the Master Tool burnisher from Weaver for a while now, though. I have a few things to upgrade first. Thanks for the comment!
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods I was torn between the two as well but what made me go with the Cobra was that it comes with a pedestal stand and don't have to worry about table space. Either way, the Weaver and Cobra machines are great. Cheers.
That looks like a fancy refillable version of the package envelope moistener comes in. If you don't know, that is a sponge tipped container used for moistening adhesive on envelopes. When there are hundreds of items to mail, licking every envelope is not the best option.
I thought of this long ago and attempted with the Montana marker which I also use for edge dyeing, I put the Tokonole in at full strength though and didn't work, didn't try cutting it with water. Think I will try the Grog markers now and thanks for the video!
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Love the Montana markers I've been using them for like 5 years for dyeing edges they work great, I tried Tokonole in one some time ago BUT did not think to cut it with water ha ha ha anyhow I just ordered the Grog.
Hi, great idea, im trying now, do you have any suggestions, how to storage this grog marker filled with toko+water to not let dry? Thanks and have a great day
How long should you wait after dying before using Tokonole? I was planning to use Tokonole to help burnish the flesh side using something like a piece of glass. Not sure as I haven't placed my order of supplies yet, but thought of ordering a burnishing glass on Amazon. I wanted to help smooth out the fibers. Not sure if I'd do it on the flat edge.
I've been using the Montana markers for a while, I like them a lot. I use Martins edge products it doesn't stain if you get carried away or make an Oops. Try it you may like it and is not expensive.
That seems interesting ! I actually apply with some kind of awl on belt edges. Not only takes time as you said but also leave a bit of tokonole on the surface of leather wich leaves small unwanted stains all along the belt after burnished or just wiped the excess. Not the cleanest.. Does the application with the marker completly avoid that ? Don’t really see it on your video. Thanks !
I mean you gotta do your best not to apply too much to avoid staining still, but it's way easier that applying tokonole by hand or awl. It's honestly a game-changing method, though. You'll like it.
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods I'll give it a try, grunch are very cheap anyway. I also tried cottons swabs wich are quite good and small bottles with needles wich are very precise but same pain than awl at the end.. You would recommend grunch 10mm mini one for up to 5mm thickness edges? There's a "08 cutter version" with a flat tip that seems intersting too but the tip is way longer it seems, not sure if it would work the same
I have the Grog 10mm and 5mm. I prefer the 10. The Grog Cutter is very similar to the Montana marker which I also tried but it wasn't ideal. You have to press down on the marker tip to dispense it. The squeeze markers are what you want.
it's just a rebranded, remarketed bingo dauber there are no new ideas, only ideas stolen from other fields (like the grinder turned into a burnishing machine, etc)
That is definitely true! But I'm happy to use methods taken from other disciplines if they speed up the process or give better results. Both ideas you mentioned do both of those things.
Woooow! The very kind words means the world to me! Thanks a lot and keep up the amazing youtube videos and the very nice leather goods!
I'm glad you liked it, brother! Thanks for the advice!
dude....DUDE!!! I am so tired of getting Tok on my fingers. This is one of those ideas where I am all "WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THIS?!? good stuff
I felt the same way when I first saw it haha
Thanks sir. I hav been using the pump-style. Gonna order some Grogs.
With all your tips, you help so much man, thank you
Thanks for watching!
Ahhh I just messaged that dude the other day before watching this!!! He's an amazing leather maker!!!
He is. Awesome dude too!
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods he was helping me with the Tantra Leather guys. He has some amazing photos of the colors. I was pretty hesitant at first about their leather but I'm super glad I reached out, Amazing dude for sure!
This has helped me tremendously. I used to get resolene all over my hands even with gloves. Tokonole is amazing. Beautiful finish and such an awesome time saver! Can't thank you enough for sharing.
I'm so glad you liked it!
I’ve been using marker pens to apply leather dye to edges for a while, but never tried it with Tokonole. Thanks for the tip!
No problem! It's a game changer!
Burnishing is probably my least favorite part about completing my builds and I never wanted to spend the money on a burnishing machine, but with your reviews I am probably going to make the move! Appreciate the vids, newly subbed!
I spend a good amount on Sedgwick bends for my briefcase builds so I mine as well spend the money to make my burnishing quicker and probably better.
I'm sure the $1000 machines are unreal, but that Amazon one has been working really well for me. I love it.
Thanks for watching, Pat!
I've been using Grog markers here in the UK for dying my edges for a while now, never thought Tokonole would work in it - maybe have to give that a go... Thanks for the tip!
No problem! I think you'll like it. Thanks for watching!
Thin it down a bit with water.
Great advice, thank you! I saw this technique briefly in another video and tried it BUT I didn’t realise there were different pens so I was using one like the Montana marker! When it didn’t work I searched and found your video, and much more guidance. Thanks again!
Since I had the accidental event of leaving the cap off my Grog 10 ml pen, I searched for a replacement nib. I searched for Grog Squeezer 10 and found a site that sell the exact replacement for it. In two different materials (the spongy material in the tip). Easy to search for. Now my Tokonole pen works like new. (before getting my new tips, I poked a bunch of holes, with a needle, through my dried out tip. It worked a little until I got my new tips)
By golly, Thats brilliant!!!
It's pretty slick! I haven't gone back since I started using that method
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Well, this video is over 1 year old, so thats all the convincing I need.
I did some research and actually bought the Grog first.. Yes , Im a genius. Paid 13 bucks for the 2 of them and 4 bucks for shipping, from France , on E-Bay.. Cheers from Montreal.
I've ordered that machine. Need to look into the grog markers.
Both are awesome!
Hey Great video man! I love that idea. Just picked up a new jar of tokenole yesterday so ive got lots to experiment with!
Thanks, my brother! I highly recommend putting it in one of these pens. Super easy.
Another awesome tip my friend. This is the bomb!
Thanks, Len! Glad you liked it!
Thank you very much ❤
Excellent tip! Thank you!
Bingo dauber in leather application. Gotta love the cross over..lol
HAHA oh god you're right it is!! I'm having flashbacks to being a kid playing with those things in dollar stores 😂
Agreed. A 50/50 mix is a great for edge pens. I use the method all the time AFTER I use different pens filled with dye. Always do the edge dyeing first.👍 😉. As far as getting a great burnish with Chrome Exel ,..no thank you. Those edges beg for PAINT. Trying to burnish Chrome Exel is like ice skating uphill. Why do so much work that results in a mediocre edge? Prime it, layer three coats of Uniters leather acrylic then finish with a satin Fiebings glaze. *perfection*.
Cheers Tim! 🍺😉
Great video bro!
Thank you!
I've been fighting a grog marker for a few months after seeing this video because I wasn't getting the flow out of it that I wanted - because I thought, like the Montana and Angelus markers, you push the tip down to flow more product. I re-watched and realized the item name "Squeezer" should have been a hint!
Now I'll offer you a hint - instead of that mixing-in-a-cup nonsense, just get yourself some 10ml syringes to evenly measure the Tokenole and water, squirt it directly into the marker, then shake the heck out of it. You can get them on Amazon - 100 for $17 - , or just ask anyone who works in healthcare to get you a few "flushes" (they just contain saline that can be rinsed out).
They're also great for getting paint into the bigger Montana markers. I use disposable pipettes for getting paint into the smaller marker, especially when they require diluting with a thinner the way Angelus does!
I hope this helps - and saves you from a mess!
I'm definitely going to try that! I have a spare Grog I might try some Angelus paint in! Thanks!
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Good luck! For painting Angelus, I use either the Angelus 3mm markers or Daler-Rowney 1mm markers, depending on the level of detail I need.
I've been using paint brushes and I'm a horrible painter. The markers sound like a great idea
I was going to ask you about the ratio of water and tokonole that you used, and I remember watching this video before, as always grateful for your tips and tricks,
I'll try it in the next video, best regards bro! 🙌🏼 3:00
Awesome! I can't wait to see it!
I bought that cheap burnisher a few years ago and wasn't impressed with it for sanding / burnishing as it's motor is underpowered -- especially if you're trying to work on a strap or belt. I upgraded to the Cobra burnisher (look into it for future reference) and it was one of my better investments. As for the cheap burnisher, I tossed out the drum sanding parts and installed the honing jigs that came with it and I'm very impressed with the results I get polishing the edges of my skiving knives, edgers, X-Acto blades, etc., It just takes a few seconds time to get razor sharp edges. You just need to make the leather wheels that fit into the jig.
Oh man the Cobras are nice! For what I'm doing, this one is perfect. I have had my eye on the Master Tool burnisher from Weaver for a while now, though. I have a few things to upgrade first.
Thanks for the comment!
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods I was torn between the two as well but what made me go with the Cobra was that it comes with a pedestal stand and don't have to worry about table space. Either way, the Weaver and Cobra machines are great. Cheers.
That looks like a fancy refillable version of the package envelope moistener comes in. If you don't know, that is a sponge tipped container used for moistening adhesive on envelopes. When there are hundreds of items to mail, licking every envelope is not the best option.
I have one of those and was thinking it would do the same.
Try 50mm or 30mm for dyeing, 15mm &7mm for edge dyeing... Will try 7mm with tokonole 👍🏽
I'll definitely try it
What do you mean the "watering step"? Do you use water before tokonole?
I was wondering the same. I was under the impression that you use either water or tokonole.
Have you ever had a problem with the pad on the grog drying up and not being able to get it wet again? I hope that makes sense...
I have had it dry up once because I was dumb and left the lid off but I was able to re-wet it by dunking it in water. Give that a shot.
I thought of this long ago and attempted with the Montana marker which I also use for edge dyeing, I put the Tokonole in at full strength though and didn't work, didn't try cutting it with water. Think I will try the Grog markers now and thanks for the video!
Thanks, Jeffrey! You won't regret it! It's been working great for me. How do you like the Montana for edge dying?
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Love the Montana markers I've been using them for like 5 years for dyeing edges they work great, I tried Tokonole in one some time ago BUT did not think to cut it with water ha ha ha anyhow I just ordered the Grog.
Awesome! I'm gonna have to empty my Montana and add some edge dye.
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods I DO NOT use Edge Coat, Just Regular Alcohol based Dye generally Fiebings or Angelus on the edges
That's good news! I have some Fiebings dye! Now what happens if I mix dye with Tokonole....
Hi, great idea, im trying now, do you have any suggestions, how to storage this grog marker filled with toko+water to not let dry? Thanks and have a great day
Can you use this with gum trag ? How does that differ from Tokonole ? Great videos as always !
Does this work for gum trag?
Has anyone tried this with the browne tokonole? I'm wondering if the mesh/sponge tip would filter out any of the pigment.
I'm not sure! I know people use these for dye so I imagine it'd be OK. Maybe I'll give it a shot.
How long should you wait after dying before using Tokonole? I was planning to use Tokonole to help burnish the flesh side using something like a piece of glass. Not sure as I haven't placed my order of supplies yet, but thought of ordering a burnishing glass on Amazon. I wanted to help smooth out the fibers. Not sure if I'd do it on the flat edge.
I've been using the Montana markers for a while, I like them a lot. I use Martins edge products it doesn't stain if you get carried away or make an Oops. Try it you may like it and is not expensive.
That seems interesting ! I actually apply with some kind of awl on belt edges. Not only takes time as you said but also leave a bit of tokonole on the surface of leather wich leaves small unwanted stains all along the belt after burnished or just wiped the excess. Not the cleanest.. Does the application with the marker completly avoid that ? Don’t really see it on your video. Thanks !
I mean you gotta do your best not to apply too much to avoid staining still, but it's way easier that applying tokonole by hand or awl. It's honestly a game-changing method, though. You'll like it.
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods I'll give it a try, grunch are very cheap anyway. I also tried cottons swabs wich are quite good and small bottles with needles wich are very precise but same pain than awl at the end..
You would recommend grunch 10mm mini one for up to 5mm thickness edges?
There's a "08 cutter version" with a flat tip that seems intersting too but the tip is way longer it seems, not sure if it would work the same
I have the Grog 10mm and 5mm. I prefer the 10. The Grog Cutter is very similar to the Montana marker which I also tried but it wasn't ideal. You have to press down on the marker tip to dispense it. The squeeze markers are what you want.
@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Alright thank you! I'll take both for different thickness. Tips are long lasting from your experience?
I'm still on my first tip. I even forgot to put a lid on it once and it dried out. Was able to get it back dipping it in water.
👍👍👍👍
Don’t see a link to icky leather if that’s even what your saying so there’s that.
Ikki Leather, yes. And it's in the description.
Dying also
it's just a rebranded, remarketed bingo dauber
there are no new ideas, only ideas stolen from other fields (like the grinder turned into a burnishing machine, etc)
That is definitely true! But I'm happy to use methods taken from other disciplines if they speed up the process or give better results. Both ideas you mentioned do both of those things.