Planet 9 with Mike Brown and Konstantin Batygin
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2021
- Astronomers Mike Brown and Konstantin Batygin will join us on January 15 to tell us why they're convinced there's a Planet 9 lurking in the outer solar system and how they are searching to find it.
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I Was Trying To Tell You I Couldnt Chat In The Room When It Was Live....Later I Came Back And Said It On The Video...This Wont Play For Me
Maybe there's a reason related to UFO/UAPs that might explain why planet X can't be found.. They (the little bug eyed guys) don't want us to find it.. 🤔
Mike and Konstantin are like the modern Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler, one observer and one theorist complementing each other.
Except one doesn't plan on murdering the other in order to obtain his astronomical data, like Kepler did! Brahe was poisoned with mercurial salts days before and then again hours before his death and the only one with the motive, means, and opportunity was Kepler! Kepler straight up murdered Brahe! Brahe's forty years of astronomical data then disappeared after his death and it was this data that Kepler used to calculate his laws of planetary motion. Kepler was a bad dude, and should not be celebrated in any way.
@@haroldkline4898 Wow ..on a crutch with brain damage .. the Einstein INCH equation; g = G Me / r^2 (1e -/+ Ef/Eo) r = c ... The triangle is special to the event horizon of water molecule as to neutrinos, water like Child 1915 mechanical ..
@@channelwarhorse3367 One doesn't have to do cartwheels and backflips to poison someone. Brahe was exhumed and his hair examined in two different types of chromatograph. One found lethal quantities of mercurial salts in Brahe's hair sample. The other found high concentrations of said poison part way up the hair shaft, indicating he was poisoned about three days prior to his death, and more was found very close to the follicle which means it was administered to Brahe just before he died. So the demon seed Kepler observed that after a few days Brahe was actually beginning to recover from the initial poisoning and thus hit him with the second, fatal dose, to which he succumbed almost immediately. You can hold Kepler out to be a hero or an invalid, or both if you want to. The fact that J Kepler was a cold blooded, glory seeking, jealous little killer who doesn't deserve his current place in history DOESN'T CHANGE.
@@haroldkline4898 The Einstein INCH equation, needs security .. is all of history 🙌... WOW Harold Kline .. is the month of Halloween 🎃 Unbelievable 🕹
One cool fact is that they are currently my brother's advisors because he's a grad student working for them. Apparently, they really, and I mean really, love to drink.
Those questions in the caht came from very well informed astronomers I think. Very great live stream. Thank you.
You make really nice videos and they are very clear, i hope you gain more subscribers ☺️
Thank you so much!
Good broadcast. Wonderful guests.
I think your videos are great, just read some comments, anyone saying anything bad about this seriously needs to be ignored, desperately need some negative attention so they try to put down the people they are jealous of, keep up the good work x
Congratulations for your enlightening participation on Bloomberg Quicktake video about solar gravitational lenses telescopes.👍
Thanks, it was really cool to get invited to the show!
Good hunting next month. Looking forward to the announcement!
Great stuff
Thanks, much appreciated!
The only response to that last audience remark is "Seek psychiatric assistance." Thanks for the great discussion up to that point!
Yeah. Baltimore represent! 🌞😉🤩✨
One of the problems is that Objects that far out move very slowly & are very dark. (no sun brightening) Arrokath was only found due to comparing it to Star Occultations. It is very brief one at that. When New Horizons looked for it they needed 3 such events to narrow down it's location.
So, if I understand this correctly, your theory is that some large mass is pulling on Sedna and other planetoids out beyond Neptune and stretching their orbits?
What do you guys think would happen if the planets transit passes between earth and the Sun? Would it be apocalyptic for us?
Carrying a show like this all alone is difficult, and while the result is OK, it shows.
Christian you should at minimum share with your guests a set of predefined questions or topics. If you require your guests to talk for 2 or 3 minutes on one of these topics, you'll have time to surf the comments and pick the best ones to fill the majority of the show time.
If you want a more pro approach, you want someone qualified to filter the comments on your behalf, and a technician for managing the shots etc. This way you could concentrate on your host role and perceived quality would go up
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. And thanks for those suggestions as I'm trying to improve the quality of the show.
Magna Cum Laude Towson (then State) Univ Class of '87 grad here. bro --- College of Business (Accountancy), saved so as to watch later. Yep, the inner Planetary Astronomy dork since 1971, when the 'rich' Grand Pap hooked my seven year old self up with a Tasco 2 inch reflector {for the cost of just over one C-Note ($99.95 plus MD sales tax of 5%) out of his pocket}. The telescope still works and the original box, albeit a bit beat up, is still in my possession fifty years and four months, three weeks and an odd number of days, since Christmas Eve .
Fantastic!
Very good inteview- the questions were great, but I'm disappointed that you didn't ask them about the possibility that "Planet 9" is a micro (primordial) black hole. This to me is the most interesting of all possibilities.
Funny, I was going to ask but I was trying to get to everyone's questions. Ah well...
What about the possibility of a white hole spitting out a blue round shaped moon or planet? And that planet getting locked into orbit with earth... rocketing around us so fast that the earth violently rocks left to right. I keep having visions of this..... What about the astral being augmented AI? Or that black/worm holes being quantum computers
Just watched the discussion; Excellent! Many questions, but 3 came to the forefront for me: Do you know or can you estimate how long the "Planet 9" orbital cycle is in Earth years? When the planet swings close, could it possibly wreak havoc on the Magnetic field, cause any physical deformities, or alter orbits of the inner planets, or asteroids? If we postulated 2046 as the "fly by" date, would it help find it?
Watching now ... 2064 Sir Isaac Newton hot lead to Mayan Calendar 2012 off-set to axial / magnetic particle wave ... usually work on lowering sea levels 400 feet, we have the Math .. back track the magnetic flips to geology .. look at the planetary atmospheric data to projection of planet time-line rs horizontal ... oh rs line vertical is stable to sun G rs equator to infinity content of space ..
Orbit to sky ... at rs vertical warp max .. rs horizontal by Einstein INCH g = G Me / r^2 (1e -/+ Ef/Eo) r=c
My understanding is that it never comes anywhere near the inner 8 planets, per current knowledge.
Is it possible to send lots of particles to outer solar system and observe the gravitational effect of planet 9 on theme?
In principle, yes, but in practice it would take a very long time for them to get there. I did talk about using solar sails to probe for Planet 9 here: ruclips.net/video/o6bysOWOK6U/видео.html
What is the mechanism that led Kuiper belt bodies like Sedna to detach their perihelia from the orbits of planets. Is it galactic tidal effects at play? I know they play an important role for the outer Oort cloud objects but I would assume that they are negligible so "close" to the Sun.
My understanding from the literature (take that for what it's worth) is that galactic tides aren't thought to play much of a role here. But one hypothesis is that if P9 was ejected from the inner solar system, a passing star could have helped stabilize its orbit as well as the orbits of other ejected bodies, detaching them from the inner solar system. That would have allowed P9 to corral their orbits over the age of the solar system.
Has the Oort Cloud ☁️ been confirmed?
@@christinearmington Yes, we have very good reasons to think that there is a huge reservoir of ice bodies.
Like most rocky planets it may have long-term isotopes in its core (if it's a rocky planet at all) and its distance is so far out that reflected light is very scarce. So I would be looking for it in infrared.
You mean a gas giant
@@catsgame9282 I actually wasn't sure if the same thing applied to gas giants, but rocky planets with geothermal energy and molten cores, got that way because of the continuing decay of radioactive elements with long half lives.
@@zrebbesh how would it make science for planet nine be a rocky planet
The Oort Cloud will hopefully be able to be shown with new Vera Rubin Telescope. We know very little about it, only Theories which relate to it. Is it part of the Solar System? Many differing opinions about what is in the Solar System.
When do you think anyone could make closest prediction about this planet 9 orbit?
Current orbital modelling is fairly accurate based on my understanding of the mathematics, but further refinement and precision won't happen until we get more data about the planet itself. That's pretty much why not much progress has been made since planet 9 was first posited.
It is safe to say though that if planet 9 is there and is real we should find it sometime in the mid to late 2020's.
Very happy to hear from Mike and Konstantin! Except for that darn 1/r^4 rule for reflective planet brightness away from the sun! A "real super planet" would emit its own infrared radiation from its own interior nuclear fission generators!
True. And you would hear it.
Sound does not travel in a vacuum.
It is possible to record an approximation of what a given astronomical body would sound like, this is achieved by using something called a Dopplergraph, which records changes in light waves (emitted or reflected) You can convert the output of a Dopplergraph to a frequency which emulates sound, but that sound is only an audible representation of the Dopplergraphs data and not literally what the object sounds like.
@@w0rmblood323 the magnetic fields of massive jupiter like planets do emmit strong radio signals that might be what he meant they are called "cyclotron emissions"
Given the great distance to the prospective planet, its size (much smaller than easily detectible brown dwarfs), it's likely lack of primordial heat (probably long dissipated), and unknown contents of radioactive ore (it may be lacking such ore, relatively speaking), there should be no surprise infrared surveys haven't located it as of yet.
Could it be that the planet you are looking for is way smaller than the earth 🌎,but way heavier than we are ?
Could it be going nova ?
So it is safe to say that planet 9 allows us to assume this could be a binary system with a red or brown drawrf/ black hole companion???
Until we find it (if it exists), nothing can be completely ruled out yet.
We are 2 years later. Do we know for a fact now that the planet 9 exist or not? Thanks!
When we find it? we'll notice that its orbit implies an even bigger planet even further out no doubt.
The Universe is the biggest troll after all.
@@wolfboy18 - The universe has too much time on its hands.
pluto is the 9th planet! that is all. your welcome!
@@john72ss Only if Sedna and other dwarf planets are. that is all. "your" also welcome!
Thank you for hosting this presentation!
One commenter said that The two are as the explorers of days past.
As one looks to the skies with amazement like a child in wonder, we all are humbled to observe God's creation.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork."
"Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge."
"There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
"Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,"
"Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race."
"His going forth is from the end of heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."
"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple."
"The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes."
"The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgements of the LORD are true and righteous altogether."
"More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb."
"Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward."
Psalm 19: 1 - 11
All that God instituted in his command when he spoke all things into existance, it is a comfort to know that we are held in place by his Word; all the laws of physics are kept in his mercy.
This geat testimony reminds us that we are frail, as a flower of the field: it withers and we are no more.
"LORD, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations."
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psalm 90: 1 - 2
When I would go to Sedona, Arizona, I would stand outside my mother's home just to stare out at the full blanket of stars at night,
often wondering how blessed I am to see such things, and know that this is God's hand.
A Christian and a Desert Storm Vet,
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This Oort cloud extension is absurd. Do we know when our nearest star had it’s closest approach to us and whether that is negligible here. How far out do these star systems extend and do they perturb each others objects/planets at any point in there lives. Can they inject or eject each others objects ever.
Ever? Yes.
How long would it take a New Horizons kind of mission to reach Planet 9?
NH took about 9 years to reach Pluto.
Pluto is approximately 40AU away.
Planet 9 is between 400-800AU which means it's between 10 and 20 times farther away than Pluto.
Assuming this probe travelled at the same speed NH did it would take around 100-200 years to get there.
@@w0rmblood323 Wow, thanks!
@@w0rmblood323 Conclusion, we need better in-space-propulsion. Planet 9 will be a good motivator to develop that. Maybe project starshot, solar sail, magnetic sail or a nuclear reactor powering an ion engine can get us there in reasonable time.
could Starlink or any other satellites interfere with Rubin Observatory observations ? My apology if this question has been asked.
At best, Starlink will slow down how long it will take for Rubin to spot it. But Starlink really threatens Rubin's science goals more than any other telescope's.
@@LaunchPadAstronomy Thank you.
Starts at 4:34
Thank you
What could be the influence of such a planet 9, at perihelion, on the solar system ? Same question vs planet Earth.
Nothing really. Even at perihelion, it’s too far and too low in mass to perturb Earths orbit.
@@LaunchPadAstronomy I was referring mostly to the influence on the terrestrial geomagnetism, vulcanic and tectonic activity, climate change, numbers of asteroids deflected from Kuiper Belt towards internal solar system, etc. Thank you.
Same answer applies. It would simply be too far away to have any measurable effect on Earth.
Gill Brousard, check him out
What if there is no planet 9 ? When will we stop looking for it?
If there is no Planet 9, then we'd continue to look for whatever is affecting the outer solar system :)
eminem lose yourself reference was funny 😆 perfect 👌 timing on that outa nowhere 🤙😎🤘
Good Daft Punk reference also. "Up all night to get lucky"
Perhaps perturbations may have been caused by a passing brown dwarf or red dwarf Star in the last few million years.
Wouldn’t that depend on the relative duration of the orbit?
hmm.. I was also pondering, could this planet 9 be a brown dwarf, or a red dwarf? Is our solar system a binary after all?
oh hehe, they answered it.. WISE would have found a brown dwarf.. and a red one would be more luminous.. so no.. thanks..
Is it a grapefruit sized black hole?
Can black holes have dimensions? I thought they were singularities.
@@blurglide They are 4 Dimensional objects I believe?
@@blurglide Black holes have a radius depending on the mass at the center, the singularity. But you shouldn't think of the singularity as something, it's more of a placeholder for "we don't know", just like dark matter and dark energy. We just know there is no known force to prevent the collapse beyond our understanding. Disclaimer: I'm no expert or anything.
Dark holes are three things: real thing, or more likely, 2D picture of a real thing, you see it's gravity, it's blackness, sometimes it's matter bursts but nothing more. The second thing is the relativity theory, which says "dunno". The third kind of theories, similar to Hawking's "information theory", say "there has to be something".
The same guy that demoted pluto to dwarf planet now says there is a mysterious planet 9
what.. a SNITCH!
It's really interesting to learn that there may be a tenth planet, way farther out than the planet Pluto, which is also a fascinating planet.
If you consider Pluto the 9th planet, then the potential planet that they discussing would not be the 10th. There are a host of, (already discovered), Pluto-like objects in the Kuiper Belt that would also have to be called planets.
planet 9? oh you mean pluto then right?
It's really depressing seeing all the deeply idiotic "pluto is still a planet" comments, jokes etc pop up at the bottom of the video. It's the same in the comment section on any video that's related to pluto. These are people that watch and are interested in this stuff too, so just imagine everyone else... So many people not accepting that a thing has been defined as another thing just because they're afraid of change, haven't grown up mentally and emotionally and refuse to take in even the most basic information about it is just sad and really shows the ignorance and lack of basic comprehension that is the norm. It's scary.
“Nobody thinks there’s a planet 🌎 outside of Neptune.” Well yeah, thanks to you guys! 😡🤨🥺
@plutokiller
Why is Planet 9 not a black hole. Thx
Why would it be?
If you have two options. The more rational one is more likely. We know planets like planet 9 exist in other solar systems. However, Primordial Blackholes are only purely theoretical. Non have ever been found anywhere.
Is brown still convinced that planet 9 is there
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Looking for something not there.
okay cya on new zea land!
Why is it that folks don't match up the Mesopotamia,Sumer ,Er information to planet X or even make it the up to date info to add
There's no way any observer on Earth could have ever seen this planet. It requires a powerful telescope, and the first one expressly designed to find this planet is the Vera Rubin Observatory, not yet online.
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The center of Galaxy is the same .. Spiral Galaxy is as DNA manifestation .. is of the center line to center of galaxy .. triangle to circle manifests .. angles to square projection at content to space, frame of infinity at content .. mechanical ... per immovable frame .. the difference of Spiral to our G
Mass of planet to orbit .. at revolution not ejected .. correct .. is it adding mass energy ... is entangled ... the MATH .. does it mass energy change during path least resistance ..
The manifestation of Sun to Solar System ..on the right track .. is cool !!
LIGO to gravity wave .. to lens .. what part of the sky .. per the event horizon to path .. rs .. danger close to blaze .. is dark to entanglement .. at content .. is it radiating?
Einstein to INCH equation .. does this verify the IMPACTOR to earth .. pyramids, to content ... oh the circle to Event Horizon .. is rs warp .. we need to find this thing .. rs line to control .. event horizon to Sun and Earth is Projecting greater line to pi ... requesting reinforcements .. new threat detected .. Climate Change ... what do we address?
Seriously .. having manufactured the Sir Isaac Newton Machine .. IS BIG DEAL 9
Pluto is a planet, Pluto is planet 9. These guys lost me when they started talking about Pluto.
Pluto Is a DWARF planet, it's tiny. The on they are talking about is much much larger (bigger than earth) and much much farther away
@@kyleweadock5831 What is tiny? Mercury is tiny, very tiny compared to Jupiter. Pluto is a bonafide planet!!!!
Is Sedna a planet too? Words have definitions, and the current definition of planet excludes Pluto and Sedna.
STAY HOME ? YOU GOVERNOR ?
Don't you mean Planet 10? Seriously... especially after New Horizions, I have no idea why Pluto isn't considered Planet 9.
I’ll explain it for you. Pluto is not unique it is a member of a belt of thousands of Icy Bodies called the Kuiper Belt. We have found objects in the Kuiper Belt even more massive than Pluto, such as Eris. If Pluto is a planet than Eris and a massive list of other Kuiper Belt Objects are too. If we did this our solar system would be considered to have hundreds of planets. Almost all of which are tiny Kuiper Belt Objects. It would reduce how import, unique, and special the 8 planets are. Imagine if there was 500 planets because we included Pluto... good luck trying to convince the public or any budgetary authority that it is worth sending a billion dollar probe to just one of them.
Because it isn't.
@@lincolnlog5977 Yes, but didn't New Horizions discover that Pluto is a very active system? If I remember correctly, I think I read somewhere that Pluto and its moons do not follow "standard models" on how a planet's system usually works. I also believe I read that there are scientists now considering adding Pluto back to the list of planets because of this.
I do understand your points (and appreciate your thoughtful answer) and I'm not arguing any of them. It was my understanding that New Horizions completely changed the way scientists view Pluto and it's "Planetary" status.
What a horrible trip.
Mike Brown should get more sleep.
Why
What the most hated man in astronomy is trying to say is he cant find planet 10 :-)
It's the 9th planet
Mike Brown doesn't seem to have a good mood.
I'm embarrassed for you. Superchats in the middle of their presentation?
A few new tidbits: Brown and Baytingin now disagree on the error bars on the ~ 500 AU semi-major axis of Planet Nine. Batygin now favors larger error bars than Brown. Why??? Well Christian, you failed to explore this important issue further with your guests! Another tidbit from Batygin: There is no way for an observational bias that somehow preferentially picks objects that require billion-year secular gravitational interactions to explain their orbits. The rest of the ~ 40 minute livechat covered no new ground on the Planet Nine Hypothesis, despite the fact that Batygin has publicly said he is working on a modified Planet Nine Hypothesis using IOC objects, another missed opportunity by you. This live "pay-to-play" superchat format stinks, IMHO. I will never live watch a live superchat again. That way I can fast forward though all the same tedious questions that get asked again and again in the Q&A of every video on Brown and Batygin's Planet Nine From Outer Space talk.
Or you can watch in real time when it’s actually live and ask the questions you want to ask, instead of watching the replay and thinking it’s live.
@@LaunchPadAstronomy I did ask a question, but was ignored. Maybe if I donated enough money? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Although I gave superchats priority, I did go back through to ask as many non-superchat questions I could find. The only ones I intentionally ignored were those that were rude. As for the rest I didn’t get to, I either ran out of time or I simply missed it.
@@LaunchPadAstronomy I noticed you gave undeserved attention to a rude rant at the very end, so the statement that "The only ones I intentionally ignored were those that were rude" is factually incorrect.
Yeah that was pretty funny, wasn’t it? Besides, I don't think it was undeserved attention. It was much deserved ridicule.
PLEASE do not use the offensive term "Dwarf planets." It is very OFFENSIVE to the people suffering from the genetic malady, dwarfism. Just because the Int. Astronomical Union people are numb and oblivious to other human beings with illness, does not mean you should not follow their insensitiveness. What if they called the dark moons, the Negroes. Would you follow that offensive term too? This type of objects should be properly called "Planetoids" (meaning, " planet-like"). It is more accurate, and alsoNO ONE should use that term and follow the IAU's stupidity. By repeating this term, is to validate their Nazi-friendly insensitivity..
ORk Cloud is a lie start with a lie
Quit spending camtrials and maybe it would be seen better..
If you mean chemtrails - I have yet to hear or see any astronomer make the complaint that you do. And believe me, they would be the first to complain about such. Further, we have a number of telescopes in space which obviously don't have to peer through the Earth's atmosphere like ground-based telescopes do. Even for ground-based telescopes, they have ways for correcting for atmospheric effects, of which so-called chemtrails would be a very minor factor. The big worry some have about chemtrails has no reason to exist at any rate.