The latest Franks motion also states that the phone was “accessed” at 4:33 which to me does not sound like it’s the same as “pinged” (two separate things).
If I made this video, I would do some research to make sure of the model of phone in question (5c or 6) and if the firmware installed was capable of that feature.
❤. Thank you!! That is very interesting!! Thanks for explaining it!! I hope you are right about the trial!! Hope it starts on the 13th as it should & that their is enough good evidence!! It will be so devastating for the families if he's declared innocent & everything has to start all over!!😢😢 But, if it does start on the 13th.... I'll have to choose between this trial & Daybell's I've been watching.... which to watch live, which to watch replay. I'm already doing that with other trials & more will be over lapping!! 😆 It's getting hard to keep up with everything!! Hope you are doing well!! I know you have been having health issues. I know how that is!! Sometimes I feel like if I have to see another Dr, another specialist I'm gonna snap!! Thanks for all you do Chris ❤️ You are awesome 💯
@@ChairYogaForTheAgeless No. I'm not saying that. Of course we want the right person convicted. I would hope if he's innocent it will be proven. And they don't seem to be looking for anyone else. They won't look for anyone else until or unless he is proven innocent. If he is, then a lot of valuable time is being wasted in finding the right person.
@@peggybreidenbach8703 Do you realize it has been 6 years. What makes you think if RA is not convicted they will look for someone else. They have been given several other suspects and yet they seem to ignore them Why ?
@@ChairYogaForTheAgeless Good question. One Thing that gets me is that RA seems to have blue eyes and LE said consistently the perp didn’t have blue eyes. Go figure.
New subscriber from UK. Hello Chris & Everyone,hope your all well. Excellent video and broke down well.. IPhone will still pinged after the battery has died it's true as it's how i retrieved mine recently through the "find my phone" it has..if a Tower is busy it isn't unusual for cell traffic to go to the nearest tower/mast? It happens here in uk,I recently Had experience with cell towers/masts and Mobile phone triangulation through My work..lots of late nights alone with Triangulation,data and several headaches😁..All the best everyone. God Bless Rob Yorkshire UK
Never forget who has the burden of proof. In reality Richard could likely convicted per gulls ruling, but as far as the public being able to be confident in the conviction, no. Conjecture and unsubstantiated things should not land a man a life sentence.
My initial theory... Phone barely functional, but a notification sent to the phone (or internal automatic function made just enough contact with a tower to register a ping) was successful enough to validate a ping, though not on a tower we'd expect due to coverage issues. 🤷🏻♂️
I totally agree! I love that you can help us understand the technology aspects of this case! So many channels are all in believing every little trick the defense tries to use but you use facts and logic. Honestly I only watch you (and Mr Steve) and one other channel now lol. I also believe that the prosecution has enough evidence.
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The pings dont point to a specific area when near the bridge. This is proven by not only Libby's phone but also MR Steve of TrueCrimeWeb. To me this points towards the girls not moving from the scene, as if they did the girls would have probably pinged a exact location if moved more than a few hundred feet. If the girls were moved and the phone was not on them then why did the killer return them to a phone in dark forest. That doesn't make sense. The problem with the pings is the 4am ping as that is reported as someone switching the phone on. So either someone returned to the scene and switched the phone on and then placed it under abbey. Or Abbey turned the phone on herself and the phone evidence is whats pointing to Abbey being alive longer than Libby. Which I also dont believe. So I can only explain the last pings as being a technical aspect that as of now is not explained. Which makes more sense to me than the girls being removed and then returned to a phone in a dark forest whilst searchers are also in the area. That makes no sense to me.
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Isn't that is ...(perhaps) "one" possibility ... of what could have caused a more accurate statement? Not what 'did' cause. If keeping the/a phone "hid" in a shoe/under a body PREVENTED any cellular connection to a cell tower (or phone placed in a Farley bag, fridge, what ever) for up to 12 hours ... then THAT would explain why no continuous or intermittant data. Dead/Dying battery or not. Sudden ping 12 hours later × 1 ... if nothing were moved/exposed/returned/checkeded/turned back on ... would not be explained by that theory. Here perhaps NOT likely (or maybe impossible) ... as evidenced by no cell activity prior x12 hours, with a sudden last ping FOR NO APPARENT OR OBVIOUS REASON; minus physically disturbed, ... (and found in a shoe under a body of a deceased non mobile person/environment).
The same arguments made here can be made to say that the phones cannot be definitively known to be there… per your own logic. No definitive time of death either. Sloppy police work.
now explain why the phone was found in the girls shoe at the crime scene. The pinging won't work there. There is no evidence on this guy but of course you have already showed your bias and really need to study the case more
@@batgirl4766 I have heard two versions of that . One was the phone was found under one of the bodies and then lately found in her shoe. Hardly important exactly where it was found. What is important is that we are supposed to believe the killer left the phone at the scene of the crime.
Rigor spasticity and or release of gases body may have moved or twitched post mortem at0433 am 12 hours after kidnap. Could it have triggered the phone, just a theory.
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Thanks Chris✌️
The latest Franks motion also states that the phone was “accessed” at 4:33 which to me does not sound like it’s the same as “pinged” (two separate things).
Perp had her phone imo. Justice for Abby and Libby.
Thanks Chris ,
If I made this video, I would do some research to make sure of the model of phone in question (5c or 6) and if the firmware installed was capable of that feature.
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❤. Thank you!!
That is very interesting!! Thanks for explaining it!!
I hope you are right about the trial!! Hope it starts on the 13th as it should & that their is enough good evidence!!
It will be so devastating for the families if he's declared innocent & everything has to start all over!!😢😢
But, if it does start on the 13th.... I'll have to choose between this trial & Daybell's I've been watching.... which to watch live, which to watch replay.
I'm already doing that with other trials & more will be over lapping!! 😆
It's getting hard to keep up with everything!!
Hope you are doing well!! I know you have been having health issues. I know how that is!! Sometimes I feel like if I have to see another Dr, another specialist I'm gonna snap!!
Thanks for all you do Chris ❤️
You are awesome 💯
Are you serious. You want an innocent man to be found guilty so the families can feel better. WOW
@@ChairYogaForTheAgeless No. I'm not saying that. Of course we want the right person convicted.
I would hope if he's innocent it will be proven. And they don't seem to be looking for anyone else. They won't look for anyone else until or unless he is proven innocent.
If he is, then a lot of valuable time is being wasted in finding the right person.
@@peggybreidenbach8703 Do you realize it has been 6 years. What makes you think if RA is not convicted they will look for someone else. They have been given several other suspects and yet they seem to ignore them Why ?
@@ChairYogaForTheAgeless Good question. One
Thing that gets me is that RA seems to have blue eyes and LE said consistently the perp didn’t have blue eyes. Go figure.
@@taniabowman5172 this is a strange investagation that has me puzzled. The woman who said she saw a dressed like RA now says she was mis quoted.
New subscriber from UK.
Hello Chris & Everyone,hope your all well.
Excellent video and broke down well..
IPhone will still pinged after the battery has died it's true as it's how i retrieved mine recently through the "find my phone" it has..if a Tower is busy it isn't unusual for cell traffic to go to the nearest tower/mast? It happens here in uk,I recently
Had experience with cell towers/masts and Mobile phone triangulation through
My work..lots of late nights alone with Triangulation,data and several headaches😁..All the best everyone.
God Bless
Rob
Yorkshire
UK
Thx Chris!!
Great info, Chris! Thanks for your video!
Interesting. Stay safe Chris
Thank you. I will be watching.
Sounds to me like most of the cell tower data isn’t going to be very useful
Never forget who has the burden of proof. In reality Richard could likely convicted per gulls ruling, but as far as the public being able to be confident in the conviction, no. Conjecture and unsubstantiated things should not land a man a life sentence.
Well explained. Thanks.
My initial theory... Phone barely functional, but a notification sent to the phone (or internal automatic function made just enough contact with a tower to register a ping) was successful enough to validate a ping, though not on a tower we'd expect due to coverage issues. 🤷🏻♂️
Cool intro with lightening and rain
Hi Chris. Despite having a totally oppossing viewpoint, thanks for the interesting info.
I totally agree! I love that you can help us understand the technology aspects of this case! So many channels are all in believing every little trick the defense tries to use but you use facts and logic. Honestly I only watch you (and Mr Steve) and one other channel now lol. I also believe that the prosecution has enough evidence.
sure, thank way you have to think for yourself
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The pings dont point to a specific area when near the bridge. This is proven by not only Libby's phone but also MR Steve of TrueCrimeWeb.
To me this points towards the girls not moving from the scene, as if they did the girls would have probably pinged a exact location if moved more than a few hundred feet.
If the girls were moved and the phone was not on them then why did the killer return them to a phone in dark forest. That doesn't make sense.
The problem with the pings is the 4am ping as that is reported as someone switching the phone on. So either someone returned to the scene and switched the phone on and then placed it under abbey. Or Abbey turned the phone on herself and the phone evidence is whats pointing to Abbey being alive longer than Libby. Which I also dont believe.
So I can only explain the last pings as being a technical aspect that as of now is not explained. Which makes more sense to me than the girls being removed and then returned to a phone in a dark forest whilst searchers are also in the area. That makes no sense to me.
Thanks Chris! I can't wait for this trial
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Makes sense.
If she had her why didnt she try to call 911 one tap with most phones.
Is there a tech reason so many people are skipping over the part about Libby’s phone being *accessed* at 4:30 and not just pinging?
I still don't know how that phone didn't get wet crossing the creek.
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Isn't that is ...(perhaps) "one" possibility ... of what could have caused a more accurate statement? Not what 'did' cause.
If keeping the/a phone "hid" in a shoe/under a body PREVENTED any cellular connection to a cell tower (or phone placed in a Farley bag, fridge, what ever) for up to 12 hours ... then THAT would explain why no continuous or intermittant data. Dead/Dying battery or not.
Sudden ping 12 hours later × 1 ... if nothing were moved/exposed/returned/checkeded/turned back on ... would not be explained by that theory.
Here perhaps NOT likely (or maybe impossible) ... as evidenced by no cell activity prior x12 hours, with a sudden last ping FOR NO APPARENT OR OBVIOUS REASON; minus physically disturbed, ... (and found in a shoe under a body of a deceased non mobile person/environment).
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I don’t think they have enough to convict him. They’ve turned it into a circus 🤡🎪🤡
You got it.
The same arguments made here can be made to say that the phones cannot be definitively known to be there… per your own logic. No definitive time of death either. Sloppy police work.
@@Contrariandan92 Reeely sloppy, and IMO, deceptive police work.
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What evidence lol
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Allen's defense attorneys are absolutely pathetic.
now explain why the phone was found in the girls shoe at the crime scene. The pinging won't work there. There is no evidence on this guy but of course you have already showed your bias and really need to study the case more
@@batgirl4766 I have heard two versions of that . One was the phone was found under one of the bodies and then lately found in her shoe. Hardly important exactly where it was found. What is important is that we are supposed to believe the killer left the phone at the scene of the crime.
Rigor spasticity and or release of gases body may have moved or twitched post mortem at0433 am 12 hours after kidnap. Could it have triggered the phone, just a theory.
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