I would love for you to make new ESC scoreboards between 2003 and 2015 and the data boards between 2016 and 2022... I love your work and I watch and rewatch it all the time
I need to watch the televote part about 18 more times. But a few things struck me: 1) Ireland got televote points from all countries except five, and of those five, it was #11 in Switzerland, Albania, Luxembourg, and France. 2) Ukraine got televote points from every country except Serbia, where it was #11. That's astounding. 3) Switzerland got televote points from every country except Israel where it finished #11. 4) Croatia got televote points from every country. In fact, it never received less than 5 points. That's also astounding. 5) France got televote points from every country, but very few countries had it high. 6) The UK not only got zero televotes. It wasn't even close to getting any televotes. I'm a little mystified by that. Thanks for doing this. Excellent work.
Serbian public "only" gave 7 points to "Stefania" in 2022. My understanding is that they are the European country (besides Belarus) who is most friendly towards Russia, probably because Russia has backed Serbia's position regarding Kosovo.
Some fun facts: - First time since 2001 that Sweden awarded no points to Norway - Slovenia received 20 out of their 27 points from Croatia - Luxembourg, Germany and Austria all received the best jury and televote score from Israel
I love this. I could honestly go for the real results being presented like this, with the hosts reading aloud the points totals as they come up. It would be exciting to see on the spot which countries are supporting who in the televote, and it would spare us sitting through the tedium of 22x 12 points being given to the same entry.
But then we would see that viewers are engaged in neighborhood voting, unlike fairly objective juries, how then to blame the jury for all the troubles? Croatia and its neighbors have especially succeeded in this, it's a shame
@@sophie3714That's just unavoidable, they have shared culture that a lot of people are going to like there. And don't forget that RTTD got votes above 4 and up from LITERALLY ALL AVAILABLE COUNTRIES.
Okay that unsure placement of Austria and Cyprus I actually managed to figure it out based on the Eurovision website -In the list of how the countries voted for Cyprus in the televote, Rest of the World is listed between Netherlands and Czechia. The Dutch televote had Cyprus at 21st while the Czech had it at 23rd. In the listing of the countries that voted for a certain country (like Cyprus) ROTW is always listed first. Which means ROTW voted the same way as Czechia and *Cyprus is 23rd in the ROTW.* -With Austria, ROTW is listed at the bottom after Portugal. And the Portuguése televote had it at 21st. Which means *Austria is 22nd in the ROTW.*
Awesome video! Can you please show us a table with all the average positions? Which country would've been which rank in average jury/televote/combined average place?
IfI think what you are asking is correct, the right hand column is the total of votes for each country from firstly juries and then including televote. The country awarding the highest combined points is listed first and, after all point giving countries are listed in descending order, the countries giving zero points are listed in performance order.
@@thereorderboardYes, but now that I got a closer look, I think it's because you're sorting the countries by the rank given only, and that explains why countries awarding 11th place, but no points, are sometimes shown above countries awarding 11th place and 1 point. Given that only one country was disqualified, maybe a second sorting criterion (the actual number of points given) would have made things a bit less confusing and contiguity would have been preserved both rank-wise and point-wise (at the expense of alphabetical sorting within each group). See the ranks received by Sweden from the jury for example. I'm not saying it's wrong, it just looks weird at first.
it's revenge, last year Serbia gave Slovenia 12 points in the juries but Slovenia gave Serbia dead last in return, guess they held the grudge for a year
1. Different songs e.g. if someone liked Sweden, Italy and Slovenia in that order, they put most or all votes on Slovenia in the semi but only maybee 3/20 in the final 2. Running order. Slovenia got the unlucky position between the two favorites to win (Switzerland and Croatia) and songs tend to get more compared to direct running order neighbours than others as you have them more freshly in mind.
I always thought that the jury's would vote just as the public. This gives more limelight to the situation the Netherlands disqualification brought. If we had had Joost the swiss the Swiss might had not gotten so many points from the jury.
nah definitely not. joost ended up getting 58pts from the juries. he would only cause an impact to switzerland if he ranked (in the averaged jury score) directly above switzerland (so etc jury ranked netherlands 3rd, switzerland 4th). i don't think he did, but i might be wrong. he would've stolen jury points from croatia actually, but probably like less than 15pts. italy's jury (who funnily enough, was the only jury to have all 5 members individually rank switzerland 1st) had him in 2nd and croatia in 4th edit: luxembourgish jury would've given him 10pts but they had switzerland in first. luxembourg had 2 members rank him 1st and 1 member ranking him dead last lol joost would've stolen televotes from both switzerland and croatia but switzerland had far too much of a lead ahead of croatia either way
I'm one of the older Eurovision fans. Started watching 1981, so I do have some broader perspective of the contest. 2024 was kind of a breaking point for me. The viciousness of social media, the awful booing crowd, the months of negative discussions over each song, the nasty behaviour of some of the participants and their respective broadcast companies have all reduced the competition to an hysterical and cringe event. I don't even think there's a way back, as the contest reflects the ever growing negativity in Europe towards just about anything. I miss the 70s-90s contestants. So sad to see how this event deteriorated this much.
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Croatian jury giving no points to the Switzerland, and ranking them specifically 11. What a childish behaviour! They knew of Nemo's talent but couldn't give any points, because they would help Nemo against their own Baby Lasagna. Sick! I don't think Baby Lasagna would approve this.
To be fair,the juries is like a small sample of country .Yesterday I saw how for Armenia and Austria many Juries would rank them in top 1-5 and their peers would rank them 25 and give then no points as result 😥
It's easy to guess looking at the order of the countries that didn't award any points to a particular entry. The order is not random and can be perfectly recreated based on the data the EBU published. Then it's a matter of filling in the blanks. However, there is indeed an ambiguous case with Austria and Cyprus in this year's final.
@@esc_germany In the detailed voting results on the official website, you can see that the Rest of the World is always listed first among the countries/territories that have awarded any amount of points to an entry. For example, in the final, Armenia got 5 points from the Rest of the World, and only then Belgium, Czechia and Greece (alphabetically). Similarly, Croatia got 8 points from the Rest of the World, and only then Belgium, Czechia, Italy, San Marino and Spain (alphabetically). Now, when you look at a country that didn't get any points from the RotW, like Germany, you will see that the countries giving 0 points from the televote are listed in a clear order: first Armenia and Moldova (who ranked Germany 11th), then Latvia (13th), then the Rest of the World (which by our logic should be strictly lower than 13th place), then Azerbaijan, Denmark, Italy, Lithuania and Poland (who all clearly ranked Germany 14th in the televote if you go to their individual pages). By this logic, Germany MUST have come 14th in the Rest of the World vote.
How the UK's song finished above those of Norway, and Austria - I will never know. Ours was cringe af. Not just the performance, but the fact Olly Alexander can't really sing....despite already being a 'successful' singer beforehand. Who buys his stuff??????!
@@JeSuisReneI can’t believe we have this “real winner” rubbish for a third year in a row. I really wish people could just unite behind the winner. Thing is, this “the televote winner is the real winner” discourse would be suddenly forgotten if a country the fans didn’t want to win won the televote.
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Looking at the Switzerland's jury votes, the only country that didn't give any points to them is Croatia. Weird, isn't it? Would it be because Croatian jury knew all the other juries would give good points to Nemo, because their singing capacity, technique and voice is very good? So Croatian jury thought Nemo is of winner material, so they decided to give them no points? I like listening to Baby Lasagna, but seeing Croatian jury's very very corrupt behaviour, I am very glad Nemo won.
@@firsyinactive I mean juries have a higher chance to lose,one of the 5 of them ranks a song 25th and its almost oficcial that song won't get points :')
The fact that your graphics are better than the original ones can send me. Amazing job 👏
honestly my favourite part of the esc season - the annual data board videos
I would love for you to make new ESC scoreboards between 2003 and 2015 and the data boards between 2016 and 2022... I love your work and I watch and rewatch it all the time
I need to watch the televote part about 18 more times. But a few things struck me:
1) Ireland got televote points from all countries except five, and of those five, it was #11 in Switzerland, Albania, Luxembourg, and France.
2) Ukraine got televote points from every country except Serbia, where it was #11. That's astounding.
3) Switzerland got televote points from every country except Israel where it finished #11.
4) Croatia got televote points from every country. In fact, it never received less than 5 points. That's also astounding.
5) France got televote points from every country, but very few countries had it high.
6) The UK not only got zero televotes. It wasn't even close to getting any televotes. I'm a little mystified by that.
Thanks for doing this. Excellent work.
Serbian public "only" gave 7 points to "Stefania" in 2022. My understanding is that they are the European country (besides Belarus) who is most friendly towards Russia, probably because Russia has backed Serbia's position regarding Kosovo.
Welcome baaaaack. DATA TIIIIIIME!!!!
I was waiting for this for the entire season let's gooooooooooo :DDD
We need a tutorial how to make that magic!!
Absolutely excellent video, so interesting I couldn’t look away!
Some fun facts:
- First time since 2001 that Sweden awarded no points to Norway
- Slovenia received 20 out of their 27 points from Croatia
- Luxembourg, Germany and Austria all received the best jury and televote score from Israel
Slovenia received the 21st last place from the audience. It turns out that Slovenia is worse than the UK in terms of audience voting
I love this. I could honestly go for the real results being presented like this, with the hosts reading aloud the points totals as they come up. It would be exciting to see on the spot which countries are supporting who in the televote, and it would spare us sitting through the tedium of 22x 12 points being given to the same entry.
But then we would see that viewers are engaged in neighborhood voting, unlike fairly objective juries, how then to blame the jury for all the troubles? Croatia and its neighbors have especially succeeded in this, it's a shame
@@sophie3714That's just unavoidable, they have shared culture that a lot of people are going to like there.
And don't forget that RTTD got votes above 4 and up from LITERALLY ALL AVAILABLE COUNTRIES.
Okay that unsure placement of Austria and Cyprus I actually managed to figure it out based on the Eurovision website
-In the list of how the countries voted for Cyprus in the televote, Rest of the World is listed between Netherlands and Czechia. The Dutch televote had Cyprus at 21st while the Czech had it at 23rd.
In the listing of the countries that voted for a certain country (like Cyprus) ROTW is always listed first. Which means ROTW voted the same way as Czechia and *Cyprus is 23rd in the ROTW.*
-With Austria, ROTW is listed at the bottom after Portugal. And the Portuguése televote had it at 21st. Which means *Austria is 22nd in the ROTW.*
Amazing as always !
Wonderful!
I was waiting for this. Thank you!
Sick layout!
As always - AMAZING work. Thank you so much! ❤
Awesome video! Can you please show us a table with all the average positions? Which country would've been which rank in average jury/televote/combined average place?
I think you did a much better job than SVT with the whole gradient concept.
I don't understand the sorting on the right hand side though.
IfI think what you are asking is correct, the right hand column is the total of votes for each country from firstly juries and then including televote. The country awarding the highest combined points is listed first and, after all point giving countries are listed in descending order, the countries giving zero points are listed in performance order.
Is it specifically the sorting that doesn't make sense?
@@thereorderboardYes, but now that I got a closer look, I think it's because you're sorting the countries by the rank given only, and that explains why countries awarding 11th place, but no points, are sometimes shown above countries awarding 11th place and 1 point. Given that only one country was disqualified, maybe a second sorting criterion (the actual number of points given) would have made things a bit less confusing and contiguity would have been preserved both rank-wise and point-wise (at the expense of alphabetical sorting within each group). See the ranks received by Sweden from the jury for example.
I'm not saying it's wrong, it just looks weird at first.
thereorderboard has cooked again!! another smashing design 😁
Hope you can also make a video for the semi finals
That is a good ideal for the ESC
Thank you for the video. Btw where did you get the RotW rank?
Serbia ranking Slovenia 25th is preposterous.
What program do you use to make those graphics? Because they are awesome
Excellent work! Where did you get the full results (the places 11-25) of the rest of the world voting from?
I’m really wondering about that too 🤔
Switzerland almost received points from every country in both jury and televote...
And set the new record for the most 12s received from the juries with 22
I agree with the Armenia, Cyprus, Georgia and Greece juries, for putting Ireland last
Btw who were the juries of australia. Ireland first and France last?!
Ireland shouldn't even have qualified
Can you do a “every point and ranking” video for the grand final of Eurovision 2021 as well? Please, because it would help me a lot.
Hi there, I'm taking some time away from Eurovision right now, but hopefully I'll get to this!
@@thereorderboard Great, but I don’t really need it “super” bad anymore, but great to hear. It’s fine now, but you can do it anyway. ❤️
They should reveal the televotes like this
Serbia ranking Slovenia last with the juries??? Whoa
Yeah - if it was in the semi you might reasonably think it was tactical. But in the *final*? What's going on there?!
it's revenge, last year Serbia gave Slovenia 12 points in the juries but Slovenia gave Serbia dead last in return, guess they held the grudge for a year
@eurovisioncyan9550 Wow - if that's true, that's petty (and pathetic) beyond words
im not biased but serbia is one of the most underrated countries in eurovision
interesting how ireland despite getting loads of tele points got no 12 point televotes
Beautiful presentation as always! What typeface are you using for this board? It looks so much better than Avant Garde Gothic.
18:11 Interesting how Switzerland public didn't vote for Bambie. Swiss jury gave them 10 points.
Switzerland 🇨🇭 wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2024 winners champion congratulations 🍾🎊🎈 9:41 😊France
Great Job! But why there are two times Austria in télé voting?
I don't understand how Slovenia got 7points from RoTW at SF1, then they became last placer for RoTW in the finals?
1. Different songs e.g. if someone liked Sweden, Italy and Slovenia in that order, they put most or all votes on Slovenia in the semi but only maybee 3/20 in the final
2. Running order. Slovenia got the unlucky position between the two favorites to win (Switzerland and Croatia) and songs tend to get more compared to direct running order neighbours than others as you have them more freshly in mind.
Switzerland 🇨🇭 wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2024 winners champion congratulations 🍾🎊🎈 9:41 😊
I always thought that the jury's would vote just as the public. This gives more limelight to the situation the Netherlands disqualification brought. If we had had Joost the swiss the Swiss might had not gotten so many points from the jury.
nah definitely not. joost ended up getting 58pts from the juries. he would only cause an impact to switzerland if he ranked (in the averaged jury score) directly above switzerland (so etc jury ranked netherlands 3rd, switzerland 4th). i don't think he did, but i might be wrong.
he would've stolen jury points from croatia actually, but probably like less than 15pts. italy's jury (who funnily enough, was the only jury to have all 5 members individually rank switzerland 1st) had him in 2nd and croatia in 4th
edit: luxembourgish jury would've given him 10pts but they had switzerland in first. luxembourg had 2 members rank him 1st and 1 member ranking him dead last lol
joost would've stolen televotes from both switzerland and croatia but switzerland had far too much of a lead ahead of croatia either way
How tf did Australia give last place to France when they gave 12 to Ireland😀😀😀
Italy 🇮🇹 scores 🎵
Hi, where did you get Rest Of The World full results because i can't find it anywhere?
Rotw:
1 pt. - Italy
2 pts. - France
3 pts. - Greece
4 pts. - Luxembourg
5 pts. - Armenia
6 pts. - Switzerland
7 pts. - Ireland
8 pts. - Croatia
10 pts. - Ukraine
12 pts. - Israel
@@sy48188 yes, I know for The top 10 but I meant for The places 11 to 25?
this gave me nerdgasm omg
How you do that? I love it❤
are you able to do a semi final data board?
Not OP, but I think it should be possible now that the EBU has finally updated the results for semi 1.
Can you tell me or make a tutorial on how you made the things move like that at 0:05
France 🇫🇷
What would the result be in 2024 under the old points system? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
United by Joost
What program did you use?
I'm one of the older Eurovision fans. Started watching 1981, so I do have some broader perspective of the contest.
2024 was kind of a breaking point for me.
The viciousness of social media, the awful booing crowd, the months of negative discussions over each song, the nasty behaviour of some of the participants and their respective broadcast companies have all reduced the competition to an hysterical and cringe event. I don't even think there's a way back, as the contest reflects the ever growing negativity in Europe towards just about anything.
I miss the 70s-90s contestants.
So sad to see how this event deteriorated this much.
Croatian jury giving no points to the Switzerland, and ranking them specifically 11. What a childish behaviour! They knew of Nemo's talent but couldn't give any points, because they would help Nemo against their own Baby Lasagna. Sick! I don't think Baby Lasagna would approve this.
To be fair,the juries is like a small sample of country .Yesterday I saw how for Armenia and Austria many Juries would rank them in top 1-5 and their peers would rank them 25 and give then no points as result 😥
How did you make this scoreboard?
2003 reorder?
Where did you find the complete "RotW" vote?
It's easy to guess looking at the order of the countries that didn't award any points to a particular entry. The order is not random and can be perfectly recreated based on the data the EBU published. Then it's a matter of filling in the blanks. However, there is indeed an ambiguous case with Austria and Cyprus in this year's final.
@@afelixi dont get it, could you give an example?
@@esc_germany In the detailed voting results on the official website, you can see that the Rest of the World is always listed first among the countries/territories that have awarded any amount of points to an entry. For example, in the final, Armenia got 5 points from the Rest of the World, and only then Belgium, Czechia and Greece (alphabetically). Similarly, Croatia got 8 points from the Rest of the World, and only then Belgium, Czechia, Italy, San Marino and Spain (alphabetically).
Now, when you look at a country that didn't get any points from the RotW, like Germany, you will see that the countries giving 0 points from the televote are listed in a clear order: first Armenia and Moldova (who ranked Germany 11th), then Latvia (13th), then the Rest of the World (which by our logic should be strictly lower than 13th place), then Azerbaijan, Denmark, Italy, Lithuania and Poland (who all clearly ranked Germany 14th in the televote if you go to their individual pages). By this logic, Germany MUST have come 14th in the Rest of the World vote.
@@afelix ok, wow this is very deep analysis
How the UK's song finished above those of Norway, and Austria - I will never know. Ours was cringe af. Not just the performance, but the fact Olly Alexander can't really sing....despite already being a 'successful' singer beforehand. Who buys his stuff??????!
Great data board, but still, a scoreboard without the Netherlands in it means nothing.
Another year where the juries made all the difference.
A true winner is always that country that wins televote.
The true winner is the one that gets the most points across the board.
@@JeSuisReneI can’t believe we have this “real winner” rubbish for a third year in a row. I really wish people could just unite behind the winner. Thing is, this “the televote winner is the real winner” discourse would be suddenly forgotten if a country the fans didn’t want to win won the televote.
Looking at the Switzerland's jury votes, the only country that didn't give any points to them is Croatia. Weird, isn't it?
Would it be because Croatian jury knew all the other juries would give good points to Nemo, because their singing capacity, technique and voice is very good? So Croatian jury thought Nemo is of winner material, so they decided to give them no points?
I like listening to Baby Lasagna, but seeing Croatian jury's very very corrupt behaviour, I am very glad Nemo won.
@@mrjdsworld80 Ukraine 2022 is the only exception to that claim it seems
They still ranked Switzerland 11th, so it’s not that strange, and the rest of their top 10 (bar Slovenia) checks out.
Please do for the semifinals.
Never thought a graph could be so relaxing and clear!
The most relevant thing: juries' corruption.
???
i love how everyone is talking about how juries were rigged when the televote was probably more rigged than azerbaijan throughout the 2010s
@@firsyinactive I mean juries have a higher chance to lose,one of the 5 of them ranks a song 25th and its almost oficcial that song won't get points :')