On contrary - artillery often paves the way for entry, no doors will stay locked, the bigger - the better. However, not in the sense of it's affordability.
@@opie7afe I shoot (full auto 7,62 NATO, both reduced and full power) the damn thing a number of times in the 80s , could disassemble it blinded at the time . Love it for good reason, universal machineguns maybe an old concept but boys they mean business. A semiauto one is a great deal, or it would exact its price in ammos every fifteen minutes if shoot as she wants to.
Apparently when the Japanese invaded Thailand in 41the teenagers from a local military cadet school ("'Yuwachon Thahan") at Chumphon wheeled one of these out to help the regular troops and provincial police fight off the Japanese. Mad lads.
Actually they are not cadet, but just regular high school students who served in the army reserve force. Edit: these students were also ordered to fix bayonet and fight hand to hand combat with the japanese before the prime minister ordered them to surrender. The last student participate in combat has passed away last year.
The 50 mm Krupp gun later was designated as "Type 49 mountain gun" (49 is 2449 B.E.) and served as second line battalion gun for the infantry until the end of World war II
yes these rigs show seamlessly made steel rings, wich were a world innovation at its time by krupp.so they made it there company logo. still is it today.
It's actually an ancient occult symbol. There are a few variations but all of them are essentially 3 intersecting circles used to represent the triple goddess. Germans used to be good Christian folk who would not have tolerated that kind of thing so that's probably why they called it "three intersecting railroad wheel tyres."
Well of course he was one of us. The real trick was being one of the cool ones who, eventually, managed to put something back together in functioning order afterward. And at that moment the choir sang a loud chorus, the skies opened, and the light was revealed, amen. LMAO
@@shawnr771 Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Like, firing it once wouldn't be too hard. Aiming it, or controlling the elephant afterwards would be tricky though
It's important to remember that in 1906 pack & draft animals were the primary way a field army would move equipment both for logistical as well as combat purposes. So it makes sense that there would be a general emphasis on portability in artillery design.
I've been waiting for this video since I read an article about them in an old 1980s gun magizine as a kid. Thank you Ian, the work you do to document there's historically interesting arms is greatly appreciated.
Probably a bit of confusion between the Krupp logo and the Thai acceptance chakr. Both circular, just that one has 3 circles and one is just bladed. Honest mistake.
Yes they symbolize seemles railroad trackwheels which the old Krupp invented the maufactoring procedure for. Das sind drei überlappende nahtlose Eisenbahn-Radreifen, deren Walzprozess der alte Krupp sich hat patentieren lassen.
Fact : ร.ศ came from รัตนโกสินทร์ศก(rat-ta-na-ko-sin-sok) which mean "years of Rattanakosin", Rattanakosin is actually a thailand older name before Siam. the dynasty name is Chakri.
Always see some of these lying around in front of the ministry of defense building near the palace . Never knew their histories. Thank you for the reviews , It's been an honor. ขอบคุณมากครับ
Ah! This is more like it! One local gun shop in Alexandria, Virginia (Hunter's Haven, formerly located at 0 Prince Street, now closed) used to sell cannons back in the 50s and 60s. They still had a few as late as the 1990s. There was a German 75mm infantry gun (which worked), a German rocket launcher, a couple of Italian 47mm anti-tank guns and a few others, including one or two French 25mm anti-tank guns. I got there early one Saturday morning before they opened and examined them more than I usually did. The French guns had the date and place of manufacture inscribed on the gun in beautiful flowing script. I thought it would make a really good rubbing (as in brass rubbing) and I made a point to do that on my next visit. Next visit I came prepared to do that and discovered that they had all been sold, all to the same man. So he who hesitates is list! But look before you leap.
If the idea of a man portable cannon interests you I'd advise having a look at the old British naval tradition that is field gun running. I live very close to the Devonport naval dockyards and we used to go and watch them almost every year when I was young, I believe they've stopped doing them now though.
Hi Ian, No, the three interlocked rings are the Krupp Company Logo (around 7:54 min) It's still the Logo Today (elevators), they are called ThyssenKrupp today after they merged with Thyssen!
I've always thought these light/pack/infantry guns were an interesting operational compromise between mortars and full-sized field guns. I wonder what the people who used them thought of them.
Thing is, this gun and guns like it were developed long before the Stokes mortar that was the basis for all modern mortars was actually a thing. The first Stokes mortar was built and deployed to France in 1915. And really, I would take a Stokes mortar over this thing every day.
@keith moore Considering the weight of the old style Mortars, sod carrying that about, Any artilllery pice with a base plate firing over 45 dgress of elevation is a mortar.
@keith moore Point taken,thoug I wonder as we are thinking aloud.WouldaMortar actually repllace a mountain gun? A gun being direct trajectory, would certainly make a more sense to me in mountain terrain, if forno other reason tha I wouldn't fancu firing a mortar under and overhang.
Mountain guns are flipping awesome 😁 If you ever come to Italy we have plenty of those from WWI and WWII still left of mountain ridges which are now basically used as trail markers and monuments. To think that they were carried up there with mules and manpower still amazes me. I got to see some of them personally and damn I was tired as balls by just getting up there with a backpack while using modern and comfy gear, I don't even want to think what kind of ordeal must have been to bring those heavy bastards up there while carrying all your military kit, in the snow, wearing clothes with poor weather insulation, eating crap food, to theb get shot at by the other side... A damn cool sight tho, if you ever want to do an alternative summertime holiday, I can recommend it, the mountaneering side of things is super easy, highschool teens can easily do it and they usually don't require any kind of tenting since there are plenty of mountain lodges in reasonable proximity 😁👍
I like the idea of slowly coming out with better updated videos of guns you’ve previously covered. The audio and video quality is much better now than when your channel started and you’re even more experienced and knowledgeable now. If you get the chance to update old videos I’d love to to watch them and maybe they would get more views than the older videos. Keep up the great content :)
I remember when Interarms imported these in the 1960s, . .long article in Guns/Guns &Ammo, going into all the detail, including use of (then common) 40mm Bofors casings cut down. These days, a CNC turned solid bar brass case, with a 50BMG Primer pocket, would be a better case solution. ( and a "heeled" projectile) Great Vid, Ian...keep it up. Doc AV
Wooden wheel parts... spokes (obviously) and fellows (curved arches that form the wheel) hope this helps and thank you for the videos and more importantly, your service!!!
Thailand or Siam (Siam was the name of Thailand at that time before it was changed from Siam to Thai during Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram period) ordered a Krupp 50mm twice. In October 23, 1902 8 of this gun was order and again in August 4, 1905, another 40 was order.
I was never much of a DD person until I had an opportunity to go to a private shoot in south Georgia back in the 1990s. Kent Lomont was there with one of these along with a Solothurn S1-1000 on a wheeled mount. Ever since then both of those guns have been on my dream list.
That polypropylene lanyard is a bit of an eyesore. Got to go for some 3-strand bright white cotton rope and some fancy splice work. Yes there are rope nerds.
Sisal rope was actually what we commonly used back in the day in Thailand. Most likely would be the type of rope people would use on this cannon as well.
In 1984 I was lucky enough to go to the Royal Show, one of the displays were teams of soldiers - stripping down canons and taking them over a slue of obstacles, it was quite impressive, your post has just pulled that memory from my noodle, thanks👍
Hi, Ian. The guys who made that little cannon were craftsmen. There are very few people today who can make wheels like that. Yeh, I know nobody wants wheels like that, but the point stands. Woodworking, casting, and iron mongering were necessary skills back in the day. The value of craftsmen today shows that we still respect them. If you want a gold crown for one of your teeth, you had better go to a dentist that knows what he is doing. Don't forget to wear your sound-blockers when you fire that one. I like it. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
In case you were wondering, the A/R means "an der Ruhr", which translates to "at the Ruhr". The Ruhr is the local river, which the area got its name from "Ruhrgebiet" (Ruhr Area. So the full city name on that plaque would be "Essen an der Ruhr". the river suffix is used for clarification purposes, as multiple cities have the same names across Germany.
If you were to make a video about a unusual very unknown gun, dating back in times of 1945-1950, the M2 Vigneron might need some more recognition. A very unknown SMG used by the Belgian military after WWII, and a really interesting one.
It's something like that, you expect to see in old film of troops going through the jungle with bits hanging off the side of an mule or donkey, such as in Burma.
Hi Ian, are you sure the Thai military uses the Krupp company logo as their property mark? Very fortunate coincidence if so, as they would not have to restamp after it came out of the factory! 7:49 (a bit after) for those interested, I could be wrong.
The Three Ring Logo isn't a property mark, it's the Logo of Krupp it pictures three railway wheel rings that's what Krupp is/was famos for they invented a method to made those rings out of a single forged bar in splitting them open it up and form a ring out of it w/o any seam it was way stronger and lasted longer instead of casting one or use a bar and forgewelded it together.
Though long made obsolete by various forms of man portable "recoilless rifles", I must admit to having a soft spot for "mountain guns/howitzers" such as this one and those utilized in WWII. Mortars can be really, really nice....But when you need to put rounds on target, such as in the form of a fortified tunnel entrance on an island such as Tarawa, Iwo Jima, or Okinawa, a relatively smallish HE round in the 50mm to 76mm range could come in handy I think.
I LOL for the "you can certainly pull this apart & put in a compact car", but then I remembered how many astronomer friends I have that would think nothing of loading a up to 16" diameter reflecting telescope into a compact for a weekend stargazing. I even had a friend who arrived at one star-party with a sub-compact (Vauxhall Corsa) carrying a 24" talescope, mirror cell & mount in the back & the 8 foot long tube trapped to the roof-rack.
I wonder if this is the one Garry James posed with in Guns & Ammo a number of years ago? It was an article on home defense firearms. He posed behind a Krupp 50mm like this one while covered in ammo belts, a couple of handguns shoved in his belt, a shotgun and cutlass. All framed in an open doorway. It was certainly tongue in cheek for the associated article. I still have it somewhere.
I think I watched that other one last night! Before knowing of this one. The breech & wheels I was like, yeah that's how you'd do it. The spade, that took some thought.
It's possible that the early\simple sight was kept on the ones in frequently mobile service, while the better sights went on the ones weren't expected to be moved as often, otherwise I suspect most that were getting disassembled wouldn't ever be "zeroed" and some of the updated sights probably had parts breakage.
As an avid handloader I'd like to hear more about actually loading ammo for these small artillery pieces. Thanks for the info on cutting down the 40mm Bofors case, and for mentioning the use of BP and cast projectiles... but HOW does one PRIME such cases? Enquiring minds want to know....lol Do you modify the case head to take a readily available commercial primer? (50 BMG??? I have no idea) Or....???
wow. ian still gets up at basically 5 in the morning to post daily videos like a grown-ass adult. i, on the other hand, have yet to go to sleep for the night. cheers!
Imagine, you're in the bad part of town. A pickup truck pulls up next to you and a dude in the back aims this bigass cannon at you. What are you gonna do?
"Entry Level" and "Artillery", not words I expected in the same sentence.
Well, maybe if the artillery is on ground level guarding the entry way?
My recreational artillery piece
On contrary - artillery often paves the way for entry, no doors will stay locked, the bigger - the better. However, not in the sense of it's affordability.
It will be interesting to see how much these 2 guns go for.
I think you are looking for the term “early market penetration.” Which, in this case, depends if the market is behind a reinforced wall or not.
"Entry-level artillery to fit in a compact car" is a kind of advertisement I'd love to see more of.
I think the Eastern Bloc had the “Fits in a Lada” field gun. They just didn’t tell you that you had to take the Lada apart to get the gun in.
@@detritus23 could always go for the smaller Vespa recoilless rifle
"America"
@@detritus23 then its just part of the car innit? move shot move?
@@LordSither1 Or is the car part of the artillery piece? It boggles the mind.
"Entry-level artillery to fit in a compact car or truck" - is Ian already training for the next John Wick movie?? :)
“Ahhh Mr. Wick, I have a lovely selection of artillery pieces in the back”.
Probably boogaloo preps.
John wick 3 was a dumpster fire another one would be worse
"This is my truck gun... *LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!* "
John Wick 4, id watch it, Gun Jesus 1? Ill be there opening day!
"One elephant, disassembled"
Damn, crazy that you got to disassemble the whole elephant.
There's probably a "trunk" joke to be had here...
Dissasembly is fairly easy, it's the reassembly thing that's a head scratcher.
@@Hawk1966 Yeah - especially if one happens to have a mountain gun handy.
Ian disassembles a wild pig in a prior video. He de-animated it first with a 6.5 Creedmoor, out of his Steyr Scout.
@@bentilbury2002 Gun is hidden in the trunk.
Non NFA, “entry level” well Ian you had my curiosity but now you have my attention.
*sees price is $70,000*
My attention will have to do
Now if you had 70 grand would you buy a krupp, a gatling or a transferable belt fed?
@@opie7afe I REALLY want an MG42, so I’d buy that first. But this is probably a close 2nd
Minimum bid $10,000 and $20,000 depending on the Repro sight.
Got my ambition, it's not a horrible investment.
@@harrisonfuller5015 luckily i have an mg42 but sadly its neutered as a semi..still love it though
@@opie7afe I shoot (full auto 7,62 NATO, both reduced and full power) the damn thing a number of times in the 80s , could disassemble it blinded at the time . Love it for good reason, universal machineguns maybe an old concept but boys they mean business. A semiauto one is a great deal, or it would exact its price in ammos every fifteen minutes if shoot as she wants to.
Apparently when the Japanese invaded Thailand in 41the teenagers from a local military cadet school ("'Yuwachon Thahan") at Chumphon wheeled one of these out to help the regular troops and provincial police fight off the Japanese. Mad lads.
Actually they are not cadet, but just regular high school students who served in the army reserve force.
Edit: these students were also ordered to fix bayonet and fight hand to hand combat with the japanese before the prime minister ordered them to surrender.
The last student participate in combat has passed away last year.
Every thai male still has to do either ROTC in high school for three years (in order to fully dodge conscription) or join the military for two.
@T B Ive heard. I also had to go through the whole thing.
1 year ROTC= 1 year conscription
2 years ROTC= 6 months conscription
3 years ROTC= Exempt
Legendary
And they still had ammo for it?
Siamese military: "And what's it's elephant portability like?"
German salesman: "Ummm..."
“Yes.”
“Sold.”
Even a portable elephant can carry this.
@@tutzdesYT now that made my day
As Krupp didn't do things by halves, they might have gone to a zoo and asked if they could borrow an elephant.
The British mounted a machine gun on elephants before, not sure which gun but it looked kinda large 👀
The 50 mm Krupp gun later was designated as "Type 49 mountain gun" (49 is 2449 B.E.) and served as second line battalion gun for the infantry until the end of World war II
King of Siam: "Explain! Explain! Explain!"
Ian: "Little big boom. Et cetera, Et cetera, Et cetera."
@uncletigger That film was old when I was young. Memorable too.
Ian doesn´t do mistakes very often but there is one. That 3 rings mark isn´t Thai property mark. It is the logo of Krupp company. 7:53
I think you are right. Krupp company Logo are three rings.
yes these rigs show seamlessly made steel rings, wich were a world innovation at its time by krupp.so they made it there company logo. still is it today.
Came here to say this. Thankfully you already caught it.
@@GermanEngineer84 what a fitting name....
@@oldschoolnekker6485 Hehe... I'm not even remotely working as an engineer.
7:56 the three rings are in fact Krupp's company logo - three intersecting railroad wheel tyres.. :)
Beat me by two minutes! I should not have spent time drafting my response
It's actually an ancient occult symbol. There are a few variations but all of them are essentially 3 intersecting circles used to represent the triple goddess. Germans used to be good Christian folk who would not have tolerated that kind of thing so that's probably why they called it "three intersecting railroad wheel tyres."
The patent of creating seamless train tires was the foundation of Krupps success as a industrial company.
Yeah, I’m a supervisor at Thyssenkrupp.
After the merger with Thyssen AG, they added an arch over it, and now that is the current day logo.
Lan spoke about caption between rings
Ian was one of those kids that took stuff apart to see how it worked.. you can just tell.
Weren't we all?
@@anthonyhayes1267 except we would break what we disassemble and never fix it again
Well of course he was one of us. The real trick was being one of the cool ones who, eventually, managed to put something back together in functioning order afterward. And at that moment the choir sang a loud chorus, the skies opened, and the light was revealed, amen. LMAO
Haha, my brother was the same way, though i had to get good at piecing things back together, typically before our folks got home.
I can't like this comment, you're at 69
That is one hell of a piece of engeneering no matter how you slice it.
You don't need to slice it, it has latches and stuff. :)
Imagine if this can be fired when mounted on an elephant, probably the world's first all-terrain SPG.
Mm yes, add to warthunder)
Don't know about cannon but siam at the time did use elephant mounted gatling
Fired once from an elephant.
Controlling the elephant afterwards would be a neat trick.
@@shawnr771 Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Like, firing it once wouldn't be too hard. Aiming it, or controlling the elephant afterwards would be tricky though
Easy, just get a deaf elephant and there you go, or two massive lumps of soft cork ~
Staircase defense cannon.
Just as the Founding Fathers intended.
@@Strawberry92fs
Oh, I'm aware. There's one in my family, and it's great!
@Nick Milligan
🤣 Bullseye! Those poor poor Ruffians, and the neighbors dog, too!
Wait, how many staircases do you expect to need to fend off?
@@daniellewis1789 The correct answer is "All of them."
Load it with a few yards of barbed wire and a box or two of roofnails
Seems like a good home defence weapon.
América in a nutshell
Place it at your doorstep ! 😆😆😆😆😆
Just like the founding fathers intended.
Rig the lanyard to the doorknob at night...
To be fair this would make a fantastic lawn ornament, don’t you think?
Everything on that gun klicks so nice.
It's important to remember that in 1906 pack & draft animals were the primary way a field army would move equipment both for logistical as well as combat purposes. So it makes sense that there would be a general emphasis on portability in artillery design.
I've seen this weapons on display around the grand palace in Thailand.
I've been waiting for this video since I read an article about them in an old 1980s gun magizine as a kid. Thank you Ian, the work you do to document there's historically interesting arms is greatly appreciated.
Probably a bit of confusion between the Krupp logo and the Thai acceptance chakr. Both circular, just that one has 3 circles and one is just bladed. Honest mistake.
I've always wanted an antique artillery piece. Disassemble is certainly a good feature for what I have in mind
Quiet a difference to the M110 i used to work with during my army time. It is so cute for a artillery piece.
The interlocked circles are the Krupp logo.
Yes they symbolize seemles railroad trackwheels which the old Krupp invented the maufactoring procedure for.
Das sind drei überlappende nahtlose Eisenbahn-Radreifen, deren Walzprozess der alte Krupp sich hat patentieren lassen.
ว้าว สุดยอดไปเลยครับ!
Thanks from Thailand
Fact : ร.ศ came from รัตนโกสินทร์ศก(rat-ta-na-ko-sin-sok) which mean "years of Rattanakosin", Rattanakosin is actually a thailand older name before Siam. the dynasty name is Chakri.
Always see some of these lying around in front of the ministry of defense building near the palace . Never knew their histories.
Thank you for the reviews , It's been an honor.
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Ian, the Siam "owners mark" you mention is actually the Krupp "three rings" logo. Cool old gun!!
Thanks for review, from Thailand.
Ah! This is more like it!
One local gun shop in Alexandria, Virginia (Hunter's Haven, formerly located at 0 Prince Street, now closed) used to sell cannons back in the 50s and 60s. They still had a few as late as the 1990s. There was a German 75mm infantry gun (which worked), a German rocket launcher, a couple of Italian 47mm anti-tank guns and a few others, including one or two French 25mm anti-tank guns. I got there early one Saturday morning before they opened and examined them more than I usually did. The French guns had the date and place of manufacture inscribed on the gun in beautiful flowing script. I thought it would make a really good rubbing (as in brass rubbing) and I made a point to do that on my next visit. Next visit I came prepared to do that and discovered that they had all been sold, all to the same man. So he who hesitates is list!
But look before you leap.
If the idea of a man portable cannon interests you I'd advise having a look at the old British naval tradition that is field gun running. I live very close to the Devonport naval dockyards and we used to go and watch them almost every year when I was young, I believe they've stopped doing them now though.
The highlight of the Royal Tournament for me when I was a kid.
@@AtheistOrphan The Strength of a Shire Horse, the speed of a Racehorse,and the brains of a Rocking Horse! :-)
@@51WCDodge - LOL! Good one.
@@AtheistOrphan As old as the hills mate :-)
"Three Mules or One Elephant". That's a good rule of thumb, there!
Well thought out piece of weaponry!
Very careful, thoughtful engineering results in equisite simplicity.
Need a range report on this.
Hi Ian, No, the three interlocked rings are the Krupp Company Logo (around 7:54 min)
It's still the Logo Today (elevators), they are called ThyssenKrupp today after they merged with Thyssen!
Never thought I would see something from my own country!
He’s showed several Ishapore made guns
@@adammanning8882 I meant Thailand?
@@mrsem6670 ah, my mistake
He already done the Siamese Mauser long ago..
I've always thought these light/pack/infantry guns were an interesting operational compromise between mortars and full-sized field guns. I wonder what the people who used them thought of them.
Carrying this thing sux.
Thing is, this gun and guns like it were developed long before the Stokes mortar that was the basis for all modern mortars was actually a thing. The first Stokes mortar was built and deployed to France in 1915. And really, I would take a Stokes mortar over this thing every day.
Good for keeping peasants in line!
@keith moore Considering the weight of the old style Mortars, sod carrying that about, Any artilllery pice with a base plate firing over 45 dgress of elevation is a mortar.
@keith moore Point taken,thoug I wonder as we are thinking aloud.WouldaMortar actually repllace a mountain gun? A gun being direct trajectory, would certainly make a more sense to me in mountain terrain, if forno other reason tha I wouldn't fancu firing a mortar under and overhang.
I was excited to see these again! It was your original video on them that made me subscribe.
Mountain guns are flipping awesome 😁
If you ever come to Italy we have plenty of those from WWI and WWII still left of mountain ridges which are now basically used as trail markers and monuments.
To think that they were carried up there with mules and manpower still amazes me.
I got to see some of them personally and damn I was tired as balls by just getting up there with a backpack while using modern and comfy gear, I don't even want to think what kind of ordeal must have been to bring those heavy bastards up there while carrying all your military kit, in the snow, wearing clothes with poor weather insulation, eating crap food, to theb get shot at by the other side...
A damn cool sight tho, if you ever want to do an alternative summertime holiday, I can recommend it, the mountaneering side of things is super easy, highschool teens can easily do it and they usually don't require any kind of tenting since there are plenty of mountain lodges in reasonable proximity 😁👍
I will put this in the back of my truck and combined they shall be named a technical.
And Gun Jesus saw and it was good.
I like the idea of slowly coming out with better updated videos of guns you’ve previously covered. The audio and video quality is much better now than when your channel started and you’re even more experienced and knowledgeable now. If you get the chance to update old videos I’d love to to watch them and maybe they would get more views than the older videos. Keep up the great content :)
Amazing. Ian makes a "boring cannon" into an interesting video. I'm so upset I didn't watch this earlier. Good video.
I remember when Interarms imported these in the 1960s, . .long article in Guns/Guns &Ammo, going into all the detail, including use of (then common) 40mm Bofors casings cut down.
These days, a CNC turned solid bar brass case, with a 50BMG Primer pocket, would be a better case solution. ( and a "heeled" projectile)
Great Vid, Ian...keep it up.
Doc AV
btw, A.G. stands for "AktienGesellschaft", literally a "stock company"
I could hear Doug Demuro saying "let's look at some of this guns quirks and features".
LOL I actually heard Joerg Sprave cackling as he said "Let me show you its _features,_ ha ha!"
Wooden wheel parts... spokes (obviously) and fellows (curved arches that form the wheel) hope this helps and thank you for the videos and more importantly, your service!!!
Thailand or Siam (Siam was the name of Thailand at that time before it was changed from Siam to Thai during Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram period) ordered a Krupp 50mm twice. In October 23, 1902 8 of this gun was order and again in August 4, 1905, another 40 was order.
I was never much of a DD person until I had an opportunity to go to a private shoot in south Georgia back in the 1990s. Kent Lomont was there with one of these along with a Solothurn S1-1000 on a wheeled mount. Ever since then both of those guns have been on my dream list.
Thank you , Ian .
Imagine having one of these disassembled in the back of a Prius.
That polypropylene lanyard is a bit of an eyesore. Got to go for some 3-strand bright white cotton rope and some fancy splice work.
Yes there are rope nerds.
Sisal rope was actually what we commonly used back in the day in Thailand. Most likely would be the type of rope people would use on this cannon as well.
wow this morphy visit must have been a real treat!! so many weird guns! thank you for all these videos
thank you for making a videos with the history of my great country
In 1984 I was lucky enough to go to the Royal Show, one of the displays were teams of soldiers - stripping down canons and taking them over a slue of obstacles, it was quite impressive, your post has just pulled that memory from my noodle, thanks👍
Hi, Ian. The guys who made that little cannon were craftsmen. There are very few people today who can make wheels like that. Yeh, I know nobody wants wheels like that, but the point stands. Woodworking, casting, and iron mongering were necessary skills back in the day. The value of craftsmen today shows that we still respect them. If you want a gold crown for one of your teeth, you had better go to a dentist that knows what he is doing. Don't forget to wear your sound-blockers when you fire that one. I like it. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
Greetings from Essen, Germany, Home of the Friedrich Krupp AG to all spactators of theese great RUclips Channel. 👍👍👍
In case you were wondering, the A/R means "an der Ruhr", which translates to "at the Ruhr". The Ruhr is the local river, which the area got its name from "Ruhrgebiet" (Ruhr Area.
So the full city name on that plaque would be "Essen an der Ruhr". the river suffix is used for clarification purposes, as multiple cities have the same names across Germany.
"Entry level artillery"
Well: I'm all ears...
If you were to make a video about a unusual very unknown gun, dating back in times of 1945-1950, the M2 Vigneron might need some more recognition. A very unknown SMG used by the Belgian military after WWII, and a really interesting one.
So, I take it that these guns are "Elephant Not Included" variety?
Fitted for but not with, like most things in the military.
They never are...
It's something like that, you expect to see in old film of troops going through the jungle with bits hanging off the side of an mule or donkey, such as in Burma.
A field strip of a cannon. A whole new quality on the gun channels
Hi Ian, are you sure the Thai military uses the Krupp company logo as their property mark? Very fortunate coincidence if so, as they would not have to restamp after it came out of the factory! 7:49 (a bit after) for those interested, I could be wrong.
Beautiful old school artillery. Great video Ian :)
As I am British, I love the idea of it being an entry level gun. Once again another great and informative video
The Three Ring Logo isn't a property mark, it's the Logo of Krupp it pictures three railway wheel rings that's what Krupp is/was famos for they invented a method to made those rings out of a single forged bar in splitting them open it up and form a ring out of it w/o any seam it was way stronger and lasted longer instead of casting one or use a bar and forgewelded it together.
Would love to buy this, but I don't think the other people in my house would appriciate it as much as I would.
There's your answer: ventilate the house... 50mm at a time.
The two logos of three joined circles on the breach are Krupp logos and NOT Siamese property marks.
I was imagining some person retrofitting this to his high quality made armoured vehicle of some kind. That would be very cool. Ghetto/civilian tank.
Well if you want to get Technical...
Though long made obsolete by various forms of man portable "recoilless rifles", I must admit to having a soft spot for "mountain guns/howitzers" such as this one and those utilized in WWII. Mortars can be really, really nice....But when you need to put rounds on target, such as in the form of a fortified tunnel entrance on an island such as Tarawa, Iwo Jima, or Okinawa, a relatively smallish HE round in the 50mm to 76mm range could come in handy I think.
Thank you Ian for another informative video, Love it !!
Neat. Checked out the old video. Realized I miss the old intro.
Very polite artillery, those well-spoken ครับ guns.
Watch out Mat Best, someone’s gonna be mounting a canon to their Prius now.
If that didn't already happen with that insane Finnish Anti Tank Rifle it won't ever happen :D
I LOL for the "you can certainly pull this apart & put in a compact car", but then I remembered how many astronomer friends I have that would think nothing of loading a up to 16" diameter reflecting telescope into a compact for a weekend stargazing. I even had a friend who arrived at one star-party with a sub-compact (Vauxhall Corsa) carrying a 24" talescope, mirror cell & mount in the back & the 8 foot long tube trapped to the roof-rack.
I wonder if this is the one Garry James posed with in Guns & Ammo a number of years ago? It was an article on home defense firearms. He posed behind a Krupp 50mm like this one while covered in ammo belts, a couple of handguns shoved in his belt, a shotgun and cutlass. All framed in an open doorway. It was certainly tongue in cheek for the associated article. I still have it somewhere.
I think I watched that other one last night! Before knowing of this one. The breech & wheels I was like, yeah that's how you'd do it. The spade, that took some thought.
I work for Thyssenkrupp, (the current day company)
I am greatly disappointed that I’ve never been involved with the 50mm field gun process.
It's possible that the early\simple sight was kept on the ones in frequently mobile service, while the better sights went on the ones weren't expected to be moved as often, otherwise I suspect most that were getting disassembled wouldn't ever be "zeroed" and some of the updated sights probably had parts breakage.
I love the fact that this gun was designed to be transported by elephant
Always a great way to start the morning.
“Entry Level Artillery” is the name of my new band!
Reminds me of the 7.5cm skoda gun. That one has a two part barrel though, with an outer sleeve that can be taken off.
Speaking to the wife, Hi dear you know I went to the auction to get a new gun for my collection. You will never guess what I came home with ! :)
Those are krupp emblems, not Thai property marks, tisk-tisk. I never thought I'd be able to correct Ian.
I think it's super neat that you can disassemble this. Now, can I fit one in a briefcase like an MP5?
I would love to see the face of the guy driving behind the buyer of this piece, having it loaded on his pickup truck :D
Made in my hometown... Nice
It's always cool when I click at an old FW video and I see I already gave it a like
My local gun store has one of these for sale. It's been sitting in the middle of the shop for years.
Ian didn't mention the third (bottom) dial on the complex sight. It looks to be for cant correction. That would be useful for aiming on uneven ground.
As an avid handloader I'd like to hear more about actually loading ammo for these small artillery pieces. Thanks for the info on cutting down the 40mm Bofors case, and for mentioning the use of BP and cast projectiles... but HOW does one PRIME such cases? Enquiring minds want to know....lol Do you modify the case head to take a readily available commercial primer? (50 BMG??? I have no idea) Or....???
wow. ian still gets up at basically 5 in the morning to post daily videos like a grown-ass adult. i, on the other hand, have yet to go to sleep for the night. cheers!
Ayuthayya when the start pulling put 20/4/20 stacks
50mm mountain "gun". proceeds to display and break down a freakin CANNON. thanks for the great vid, ian. i never knew about this.
That Teiland Mark (3 circels) is the Krupp factory mark
Imagine, you're in the bad part of town. A pickup truck pulls up next to you and a dude in the back aims this bigass cannon at you. What are you gonna do?
Sadly the harness to rig this on an elephant's back is not sold with it. Much cooler than a pickup truck 😎
“Ahh, Mr. Wick! You need fire power, you say? Here’s a literal fucking cannon.”