@@joebidet3606 Yep. If you were stupid enough to go out of state for a major you didn't care about, that says nothing about the degree and everything about the college student
All you have to do is just attend a public college in your home state. You are a DUMBA$$ if you go to an out of state private university. The only reason why you should leave your state is if you are attending an Ivy League School.
Are you dumb or something. Personal opinion, doesnt mean jack shit to the real world. Just because Pearl and other guy. Are bad at finding video editor. That doesnt count to the millions out there across the planet. In Thailand or USA a whole. There is million of kids with video editor skill. Why are they not getting any job. They just complain. With zero fact.
Hes right. No major is useless.... the issue is getting a philosophy degree at an out of state university for 200k over 4 years when you couldve done community college and in state for 1/8 the price.
You can't get an degree in philosophy from a community college. Also, jsyk community college credits don't always immediately transfer to state schools.
Unless your degree is in STEM or some specialized field, college isn't teaching you how to do your job. That's what job training is for. College is there to teach you those other skills that employers want that show you're a person that can be trained. Critical thinking, completing shit on time, gathering/applying information, working with other people, etc. You can get all of those without going to college but then you're going to need to prove them some other way which usually means having years of job experience. Not saying college is the only path but it's a very safe, reliable path for your average person. Most people who are like "look at me. I didn't go to college and I make millions of dollars on the internet" are very exceptional and if they're honest, they should tell you that.
Most STEM degrees do not even apply to this concept. It's just IT, nursing, and engineering. Most non-applied STEM degrees (ex: math, biology, chemistry) and STEM adjacent degrees (ex: economics) focus more on research and theory than on practical application. Even if you're a STEM major, you still have to network and apply for student research jobs and internships to be competitive for post-graduation jobs. No one is getting hired as a software engineer at a FAANG company if all they have is a CS degree and no relevant experience outside of classes
PWF is a huge hypocrite here: 1) He got a marketing degree, and he constantly markets himself right now. And he's making it, in an industry where you have to aggressively market yourself on multiple platforms. So clearly he learned something in marketing school. 2) He said all he did was party in school. Is that a degree's fault? No way. He should have gotten off his @$$ and networked in college. Seems like he decided to focus more on girls which... 3) PWF's college experience with partying with girls gave him his career. It's arguably the reason why he is sitting on that panel in the first place. Having a social experience living away from your parents, gaining life skills and social skills outside of the lecture halls, figuring out how to manage your time, having your own place to maintain, keeping yourself clean and fed without mommy's help... It's endless. 4) Plus right now, there's more women than men in college. So all those college women in their "prime" (according to Fresh and Fit) are literally in your dorms. It should be shooting fish in a barrel. But if for some reason that doesn't work out.... 5) Any bachelor's degree gives you eligibility for a master's degree. Get a BA in Gender Studies? Don't worry, you can get an MBA because of that degree. Realize your music degree is useless? You can get a master's in elementary education, special ed, or ESOL, which will at least get you some kind of income. Yeah, PWF is just thinking one dimensionally here. To say a college education is worthless when clearly you weren't applying yourself and making connections is just bad faith.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lp Thanks. I like Alex. I think he adds a lot of good advice for men who are confused about women. So his takes really surprised me here, especially because they're so easily debunkable
Content creation. Don’t put to much thought into what content creators say. Creating conversations is what they do best, even if they reflect the complete opposite of what they say.
PWF represents the common college student. Mostly party, drugs, not valuable relationships, etc. He is actually a excellent representation. As for the marketing. Marketing is a natural skill, training for it is for dumb people. When you walk onto street naked with people there you are marketing yourself as a selfish person. To make the claim that marketing can only be accessed through training is a lie. The only reason people fail under the lie presented by destiny on the podcast but not on this video. Is because people choose not to attempt in thier lifetime and they give up before seeing results
1. "So clearly he learned something in marketing school." But was it worth the cost of that degree? This here is the question and should be looked into more. 2. Yep, but its better to know what job you want before college than going into college not knowing. I strongly disagree with Destiny on this one. 3. So why not get a job, work at a place with women, get money while gaining those social skill rather than lose money going to college to get them. 4. Yeah, dude but the risk of getting of falsely accused is higher than its been in the past. So not worth the risk. I myself wouldn't ever date someone in the work place for the same reason. 5. Correct, but hope that masters/docorate more than makes up for the 4 years you screwed around with that cost ineffective baccalaureate degree. Otherwise you are taking on more debt than you need to.
He debunked the notion that the only reason people go to school is for an ROI of just money. A lot of people just want education with no need for income out of it. Like he said if you are poor go into stem. However if you just want a education you can go learn whatever you want.
As someone, who BARELY got my bachelors degree in broadcast journalism, I’m pissed that I couldn’t find my dream job, which has forced me to branch out into other ventures. However, if it wasn’t for the hard work I put into finally graduating, I wouldn’t have the confidence to go out there and conquer the world and want to make something more of myself. The reality is, college prepares you for the real world and that’s what I’m thankful for.
College prepares you for the industrial age, not the information age. It's an antiquated education system which focuses on schooling far more than education. Most people graduating college still barely know what to do with their life because they're getting social science degrees or worse. Those getting STEM degrees are at least halfway ready for the job they're looking for.
That is moronic thinking. You can pick the field study in. If you already pick school that teaching those field. Dont complain later on. Maybe stop fucking around and think. What kind of work, you will happy in. Mind can be change in the future. That you didnt like it after all. That is your problem of that time. No one is judging you of changing your mind. The whole reason if school so millions can have a taste of those field. If they dont like, then dont apply for the next school that gone into them deeper.
Considering a good half of the country is consumed in conspiracies pertaining to the election and pandemic, we are going to need more folks armed with the knowledge to keep us moving forward
With the advent of RUclips and social media in general, you can grow an audience based on any topic, so I think Liberal Arts is more useful now than 3o years ago
Sure but how much utility does a degree give you for youtube which you couldnt get from diving in as a hobbiest? I do enjoy educational content on youtube but the best folks are bring experience beyond their degree work.
Because they are the greatest income increases on the planet. People without college degrees earn 1 million on average. People with college degrees earn 2 million. The degrees statistically pay for themselves, even if they are a lot more expensive in the United States.
If you ever accomplish anything in life and wanted to model a business around teaching it to the masses, how would you make it sustainable without also charging for your life’s work?
@@romnesia7729 "People without college degrees earn 1 million on average. People with college degrees earn 2 million." Can you give me what that number is without STEM degrees factored in?
@@benehnn2803 Oh yeah I can definitely agree with that. The ROI is already the greatest income increaser when it's already crazy expensive. Imagine this ROI if the cost was proportional to an average salary.
My wife has been paying student loans off for 10+ years now for a degree she completed and has not worked a single shift in that field since getting her diploma. 100% useless.
I hate how these Red Pill people say your anecdotal experience doesn't matter. But as soon as you tell to explain a point or something that say I know a guy. The guy who told his friend to start a photography business was the dumbest ish I have heard with phones today everybody is a damn photographer.
Everyone can be a photographer in name, but that still doesn't mean they know composition, color theory, flash vs natural light, etc. I think this is where you could argue for school, online learning, or at least a mentorship if someone is willing to take you on. College usually gives people access to resources and networking that would be hard, or outright impossible, to come by as a freelancer just trying to get their foot in the door. But students now are in a far better spot to pick up and learn more in their own. The average real camera (better than a phone) can still be grown into and used for professional jobs. Netflix will even take something filmed on a Sony FX3 or Black Magic Pocket 4k if submitted independently. It's still possible, of course, to make it on your own without university, but that path will have a lot more zigs and zags depending on the situation.
“No major is a useless and college is safer path to money says the college dropout arguing against people who have majors which they don’t use. You can’t make this shit up😂
Going to an out of state school for psychology vs two years community college or state school for a stem degree shouldn’t even be in the same conversation.
@@antinpcclubhe says one thing…but he’s not hiring manager. The hiring manager or whoever is in charge of hr is the door into the company, and I think they still prefer to see that degree, maybe not as much as in the past.
I know someone who has a history major, and another colleague who has a journalism degree. They endlessly bitch about how they feel cheated knowing entry level jobs don't pay as much as they think their degrees are worth. I don't understand the disconnect. Obviously if you were a career student with little to no job experience, your employer isn't going to start you at top pay, degree or not.
i guess it depends on the mindset of the student i was the type who didn't like school because it goes against my beliefs of myself. if i naturally loved school, i would know to myself to enjoy school and learn from it so that i can have a clear and set path in life which is to become a slave to the matrix, cool however, there has always been something in me, sort of a rebel ion feel to it, probably because im a dude too, as men we have this ingrained in us but also im not really learning as much as i expected to and its just more of a memorization than learning for the future. i have forgotten 90% of what i've memorized in school and did not apply what i've learned out to the real life from it.
If Acadamia's sole goal is to make money for yourself, then we failed as a society. Acadamia is to create paradigm shifts for our civilization. Expand our minds and find someone who stands out from the rest. I want a Gene Roddenberry universe, not an idiocracy. I say the biggest fix for our schools is to bring down the costs.
"Trade school graduates earn comparable salaries to those with a four-year degree. With a median annual salary of around $35,720, trade school jobs differ by roughly $11,180 compared to bachelor’s degree holders earning about $46,900. However, trade school programs take just two years, providing graduates with an extra two years of income, amounting to approximately $71,440. When considering the added costs and time spent in college, trade school grads can be over $140,000 ahead, bridging the income gap. " Good try destiny, but you're wrong.
College is not overrated 😂 These rich people really forgot what min wage is like. Majority of people are earning near fking min wage. Those with degrees are earning substantially more. I know it seems like 20-25 is not a lot but imagine making 8-15
Majority of people are not making minimum wage, where do you come up with this garbage? 1.5% of workers make minimum wage, and 45% of these minimum wage workers are teenagers.
@@zyzzer you're using a false stat. 1.5% is $7, and some states don't even legally go that low anymore, so that eliminates the whole west coast from your count. 35% make less than $15 an hour. Over 50% of the US can't cover three months of expenses with just their bank account.
For women, college is not a scam. When people say "learn a skill", they weren't talking about women. Women without degrees are shut out of job booms because they don't have anything that says they're qualified.
Right?!, Destiny 2:45 pretty much says he hopes a bunch of people get art majors and are consigned to destitution since it benefits the rest of us regardless of how bad it is for them personally.
@@link10909he also says that depending on one’s circumstance, they should probably pursue different degrees based on their pay. “If your poor or lower class, you shouldn’t strive to get a PhD in history” or something to that effect
@@joebidet3606 the purpose of school is to increase your earning potential. I work in a warehouse making $23.13 an hour. My kids teacher who has a degree isn't even making that. Clown World 😂
@@lovefunbeer thats what you think the entire purpose of school is. Following your logic, should no one become a teacher because it typically doesn’t pay well? Should no one pursue these jobs that are necessary for society?
@@joebidet3606 Correct, when a job is underpaid for what it requires, people shouldnt do it. That in turn forces a pay raises for that position until a fair wage is reached by market forces trending to equalibrium. If teaching degrees are too expensive for what teachers make, we need to make the degree cheaper obtain or the teachers bettet paid. Over producing teachers has harmed many people I know in the form of the good ones being under paid, and people who didnt realize what being a teacher meant being saddled with debt for degrees that arent worth it to use.
Anyone who actually looks at the statistics knows that college is a scam, college degrees yield less money than every other avenue over your lifetime. For example, people who go to trade school make the same amount as degree-holders but don’t have any debt.
na, destiny is wrong here. when people talking about roi, they are talking about personal financial investment, of course you need people to invest in other (cultural ) things to preserve society value. but if i pay 30k for college (university), i better think i can get 30k back in my job that dependent on my graduation certificate.
Dudes can make 100k/year cutting grass. If you already have money and can pay your bills, go get that culture enhancing major. If you don't have a career, do not get into debt without a skill that pays first.
@@TheAmazingDolph Kids who cut grass in the neighborhood get at least 30 USD here. If you charge 40, you're doing it in 50 ish hours a week(giant subdivisions minimize loss to drive time). Larger properties you are condensing by charging more and adding efficiency. It is not an ideal business model, but it shows that even a pretty low skill activity done as a solo business out pays the majority of employee rates.
No one makes 100k cutting grass. Landscaping pays minimum or slightly over minimum wage. There are small businesses owners that make 100k in their landscaping businesses.
The so called Useless Degrees i hear noted here seem to be business degrees- marketing, accounting and general business degrees. I have noted myself that the only business degrees rate as worthless. Most business owners i knew or met never had either college degrees or had college degrees in other subjects. Then again even though I became a self proprietor , I never had interest in business myself. Niormally I agree with this Destiny, most degrees are worth it. I have a BA myself and It is much better having a degree than not possessing one.
How long had Destiny been out of Corporate America? He is out of touch. They've removed Undergrad requirements from many Corporate jobs because Educated Millennials/Gen Z have poor social skills, can't take feedback or manage properly. Not to mention they want $70k out the gate. Undergrad Degree is not a guarantee of Middle Class anymore. Meanwhile I have a useless Associates and have many reports under me with Undergrad. It will get even easier the next few years for people who just have hustle (not scam mindset).
No one said it was a guarantee 🤡, that’s the fallacy you believe people say. It’s a more guarantee (better probability) path to middle class compared to not having a college degree. Now do your research because it’s still true that an undergrad in general has a better chance to make more money in their lifetime than a non college degree person.
@@henrytep8884 On average, yes college gets you more. However, this is when you take into account STEM, which Destiny conveniently groups into his arguments to make it seem stronger. Not every degree gets you more than a non-degree person.
@@0doublezero0yep, doesn’t change that on average getting a college degree is worth it. Just because there are degrees that don’t pay very well, doesn’t discredit college on average paying dividends
Your best path to finding a good job is to spend those 4 years networking with people...know people, talk to people, befriend all kinds of people....then you'll end up finding a place to work that you know someone that can get you in the door. Unless it's a STEM job, just knowing someone that works at the place you want to work can be the easiest way to get in the door there...of course, you can't be a Fing idiot or anything, but if someone can vouch for you, you don't need a degree in a lot of cases. College is too damn expensive for 90% of the jobs out there.
If you want to be a doctor, lawyer etc then I’d say go for college but if you don’t want to waste your time and money and get into debt then don’t go into college
Most of your options end up being trade school at that point, and that will eventually lead to less writers, teachers (in something other than wrench turning), historians, musicians, actors, etc. All these professions we still rely on in some way. What might help is just streamlining the degree programs in universities, requiring less classes that have nothing to do with your major's course load.
This guy is just too contrarian. You can say "Hey there is one woman and three men on today's show" and he'll counter your statement and say, "yes but are we really on the show right now" or some weird statement just to be different. Dude, they are obviously talking about ROI when it comes to choosing a major as most people are referring to when talking about choosing a major, not some pie in the sky ROF (return on fulfilment). I mean the other guest mentioned STEM, where one can deduce that he's referring to ROI and potential career options STEM degrees can offer. It's ok to have an opinion. Buddy is just annoying.
Heres a very simple reality Thebrich send theirbkids to college You choosing to drop ship and do online marketing instead of going to school does nothing for yourself
To disagree with Destiny. You can learn about art, history etc... Become an expert without going to university. The RoI works both ways, the cost of university is unjustified for those things.
I am an IT professional for 20 plus years. I'm so-called Black. (I don't subscribe to race, but many tell me it somehow keeps them down). I am a self-taught Tech School dropout with one year of attendance. I earn in the tip 10 percentile of USA workers. I mentor Mena dn wom e of all backgrounds, many of them with college degrees. I have Men and women with college degrees reach out to me for advice on how to accomplish higher levels of achievement and income. And fully 60% of the people i have worked with actually got degrees in a different field. College today is bullshit. You would do better joining a meet up, setting up a small network in your home and learning the top 10 or so tasks in the role you will be working. I actually believe that the majority of college degrees are worthless.
Knowledge is always good but many jobs don't need it, college is selling you too many course, sometimes you learn while doing your job, experienced is more important
@@joebidet3606 typical american who think that college make you smart. In europe all this propaganda for college dont exist because schools dont cost that much. Most people who go to college dont even work in the field of their diploma.
@@ldyzii3628 the obvious answer are College Grads, and it’s interesting that you couldn’t have guessed that. I’m not even saying every college educated person is smarter than non-college educated at all, but cmon, you really think a college degree means nothing Torwards one intellectual capabilities?
College only makes sense for STEM fields ntn else. Those are the only jobs that require degrees nowadays. Do u need a degree for acting, no u dont u need talent and links. Do u need a degree to be a great artist, no u need links and talent, do u need a degree to be successful in sales and marketting, no you need links and experience those are the requirements. There are useless degrees nowadays...you require network, talent and or experience. There are so many stats that back this up. Majority of degrees nowadays apart from STEM degrees are thrown out the window once you enter the working world.
A good education in a field that pays well or is important is great. Getting stuck in life long debt is the scam part.
Good thing college grads earn well over a million over their lifetime to pay it off and earn more money 😉
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Yep. If you were stupid enough to go out of state for a major you didn't care about, that says nothing about the degree and everything about the college student
@@romnesia7729 yup, that’s why I would recommend people to stay in-state and pursue degrees that align with their talents and career goals.
@@joebidet3606
Exactly
All you have to do is just attend a public college in your home state. You are a DUMBA$$ if you go to an out of state private university. The only reason why you should leave your state is if you are attending an Ivy League School.
He didn’t debunk anything. Destiny based his opinion on the value of purely gaining knowledge and the other guys were basing their opinion on income.
Are you dumb or something. Personal opinion, doesnt mean jack shit to the real world. Just because Pearl and other guy. Are bad at finding video editor. That doesnt count to the millions out there across the planet. In Thailand or USA a whole. There is million of kids with video editor skill. Why are they not getting any job. They just complain. With zero fact.
What is the average income of someone with a college degree vs someone without one?
@@About3pandas what is the average debt of someone with a college degree vs someone without???
@@adrienfut3574 an order of magnitude less than how much more they earn over a lifetime.
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Hes right. No major is useless.... the issue is getting a philosophy degree at an out of state university for 200k over 4 years when you couldve done community college and in state for 1/8 the price.
You can't get an degree in philosophy from a community college. Also, jsyk community college credits don't always immediately transfer to state schools.
@@Heyu7her3 I meant community college and then transfer to an in state 4 year to finish.
Yes...some majors are worthless...
@@barronweir123 how so?
@Heyu7her3 I just checked my local community college, and they offer a philosophy degree.
Unless your degree is in STEM or some specialized field, college isn't teaching you how to do your job. That's what job training is for. College is there to teach you those other skills that employers want that show you're a person that can be trained. Critical thinking, completing shit on time, gathering/applying information, working with other people, etc. You can get all of those without going to college but then you're going to need to prove them some other way which usually means having years of job experience. Not saying college is the only path but it's a very safe, reliable path for your average person. Most people who are like "look at me. I didn't go to college and I make millions of dollars on the internet" are very exceptional and if they're honest, they should tell you that.
Most STEM degrees do not even apply to this concept. It's just IT, nursing, and engineering. Most non-applied STEM degrees (ex: math, biology, chemistry) and STEM adjacent degrees (ex: economics) focus more on research and theory than on practical application. Even if you're a STEM major, you still have to network and apply for student research jobs and internships to be competitive for post-graduation jobs. No one is getting hired as a software engineer at a FAANG company if all they have is a CS degree and no relevant experience outside of classes
PWF is a huge hypocrite here:
1) He got a marketing degree, and he constantly markets himself right now. And he's making it, in an industry where you have to aggressively market yourself on multiple platforms. So clearly he learned something in marketing school.
2) He said all he did was party in school. Is that a degree's fault? No way. He should have gotten off his @$$ and networked in college. Seems like he decided to focus more on girls which...
3) PWF's college experience with partying with girls gave him his career. It's arguably the reason why he is sitting on that panel in the first place. Having a social experience living away from your parents, gaining life skills and social skills outside of the lecture halls, figuring out how to manage your time, having your own place to maintain, keeping yourself clean and fed without mommy's help... It's endless.
4) Plus right now, there's more women than men in college. So all those college women in their "prime" (according to Fresh and Fit) are literally in your dorms. It should be shooting fish in a barrel. But if for some reason that doesn't work out....
5) Any bachelor's degree gives you eligibility for a master's degree. Get a BA in Gender Studies? Don't worry, you can get an MBA because of that degree. Realize your music degree is useless? You can get a master's in elementary education, special ed, or ESOL, which will at least get you some kind of income.
Yeah, PWF is just thinking one dimensionally here. To say a college education is worthless when clearly you weren't applying yourself and making connections is just bad faith.
Really solid points.
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Thanks. I like Alex. I think he adds a lot of good advice for men who are confused about women. So his takes really surprised me here, especially because they're so easily debunkable
Content creation. Don’t put to much thought into what content creators say. Creating conversations is what they do best, even if they reflect the complete opposite of what they say.
PWF represents the common college student. Mostly party, drugs, not valuable relationships, etc. He is actually a excellent representation. As for the marketing. Marketing is a natural skill, training for it is for dumb people. When you walk onto street naked with people there you are marketing yourself as a selfish person. To make the claim that marketing can only be accessed through training is a lie. The only reason people fail under the lie presented by destiny on the podcast but not on this video. Is because people choose not to attempt in thier lifetime and they give up before seeing results
1. "So clearly he learned something in marketing school." But was it worth the cost of that degree? This here is the question and should be looked into more.
2. Yep, but its better to know what job you want before college than going into college not knowing. I strongly disagree with Destiny on this one.
3. So why not get a job, work at a place with women, get money while gaining those social skill rather than lose money going to college to get them.
4. Yeah, dude but the risk of getting of falsely accused is higher than its been in the past. So not worth the risk. I myself wouldn't ever date someone in the work place for the same reason.
5. Correct, but hope that masters/docorate more than makes up for the 4 years you screwed around with that cost ineffective baccalaureate degree. Otherwise you are taking on more debt than you need to.
I wouldn't say he debunked it
Yea he didn't at all
should rename this destiny has no idea what he's talking about in regards to
He debunked the notion that the only reason people go to school is for an ROI of just money. A lot of people just want education with no need for income out of it. Like he said if you are poor go into stem. However if you just want a education you can go learn whatever you want.
I wish I had enough money to just go to school for the rest of my life. I love academia
The best part of college was the learning the worst part was finding out it’s incredibly hard to monetize the education.
As someone, who BARELY got my bachelors degree in broadcast journalism, I’m pissed that I couldn’t find my dream job, which has forced me to branch out into other ventures.
However, if it wasn’t for the hard work I put into finally graduating, I wouldn’t have the confidence to go out there and conquer the world and want to make something more of myself.
The reality is, college prepares you for the real world and that’s what I’m thankful for.
College prepares you for the industrial age, not the information age. It's an antiquated education system which focuses on schooling far more than education. Most people graduating college still barely know what to do with their life because they're getting social science degrees or worse. Those getting STEM degrees are at least halfway ready for the job they're looking for.
If it wasn’t for the cost of education I’d agree with destiny. The ROI is a solid argument, the cost of university is insane.
Destiny was cleaning carpets before his twitch money
Probably should have got a college degree then, huh?
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He went to college
Vanish has a degree and they do the same thing
@@theimmortal4718 He dropped out
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And does the same thing as vaush, who has a degree
Yeah those psychology/political science careers are necessary til the person is making 35k/year, in debt, and scraping to pay a studio
That is moronic thinking. You can pick the field study in. If you already pick school that teaching those field. Dont complain later on. Maybe stop fucking around and think. What kind of work, you will happy in. Mind can be change in the future. That you didnt like it after all. That is your problem of that time. No one is judging you of changing your mind. The whole reason if school so millions can have a taste of those field. If they dont like, then dont apply for the next school that gone into them deeper.
Considering a good half of the country is consumed in conspiracies pertaining to the election and pandemic, we are going to need more folks armed with the knowledge to keep us moving forward
With the advent of RUclips and social media in general, you can grow an audience based on any topic, so I think Liberal Arts is more useful now than 3o years ago
Sure but how much utility does a degree give you for youtube which you couldnt get from diving in as a hobbiest? I do enjoy educational content on youtube but the best folks are bring experience beyond their degree work.
How is noone mentioning how college degrees are overpriced for what they are !
Because they are the greatest income increases on the planet. People without college degrees earn 1 million on average. People with college degrees earn 2 million.
The degrees statistically pay for themselves, even if they are a lot more expensive in the United States.
If you ever accomplish anything in life and wanted to model a business around teaching it to the masses, how would you make it sustainable without also charging for your life’s work?
@@romnesia7729 "People without college degrees earn 1 million on average. People with college degrees earn 2 million." Can you give me what that number is without STEM degrees factored in?
@@romnesia7729 i never said people with college degrees earn less, im saying that colleges are overpriced for what they offer
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Oh yeah I can definitely agree with that. The ROI is already the greatest income increaser when it's already crazy expensive. Imagine this ROI if the cost was proportional to an average salary.
He didn’t debunk anything.
My wife has been paying student loans off for 10+ years now for a degree she completed and has not worked a single shift in that field since getting her diploma. 100% useless.
Does this guy have blue hair because he too so many damn blue pills
He is agent of the maxtrix he is the government's biggest simp and victim.
I hate how these Red Pill people say your anecdotal experience doesn't matter. But as soon as you tell to explain a point or something that say I know a guy. The guy who told his friend to start a photography business was the dumbest ish I have heard with phones today everybody is a damn photographer.
Everyone can be a photographer in name, but that still doesn't mean they know composition, color theory, flash vs natural light, etc. I think this is where you could argue for school, online learning, or at least a mentorship if someone is willing to take you on. College usually gives people access to resources and networking that would be hard, or outright impossible, to come by as a freelancer just trying to get their foot in the door. But students now are in a far better spot to pick up and learn more in their own. The average real camera (better than a phone) can still be grown into and used for professional jobs. Netflix will even take something filmed on a Sony FX3 or Black Magic Pocket 4k if submitted independently.
It's still possible, of course, to make it on your own without university, but that path will have a lot more zigs and zags depending on the situation.
“No major is a useless and college is safer path to money says the college dropout arguing against people who have majors which they don’t use.
You can’t make this shit up😂
Going to an out of state school for psychology vs two years community college or state school for a stem degree shouldn’t even be in the same conversation.
Try getting a well paying job at JP Morgan or Tesla with a high school diploma.Destiny is right!
Elon Musk said himself he doesn’t look at degrees when hiring
@@antinpcclub Because Musk represents the standard!
@@antinpcclubhe says one thing…but he’s not hiring manager. The hiring manager or whoever is in charge of hr is the door into the company, and I think they still prefer to see that degree, maybe not as much as in the past.
@@antinpcclub you sure as heck can't get an Engineering drop at SpaceX without an Engineering Degree.
@@antinpcclub Musk is an outlier
I know someone who has a history major, and another colleague who has a journalism degree. They endlessly bitch about how they feel cheated knowing entry level jobs don't pay as much as they think their degrees are worth. I don't understand the disconnect. Obviously if you were a career student with little to no job experience, your employer isn't going to start you at top pay, degree or not.
i guess it depends on the mindset of the student
i was the type who didn't like school because it goes against my beliefs of myself.
if i naturally loved school, i would know to myself to enjoy school and learn from it so that i can have a clear and set path in life which is to become a slave to the matrix, cool
however, there has always been something in me, sort of a rebel ion feel to it, probably because im a dude too, as men we have this ingrained in us but also im not really learning as much as i expected to and its just more of a memorization than learning for the future.
i have forgotten 90% of what i've memorized in school and did not apply what i've learned out to the real life from it.
If Acadamia's sole goal is to make money for yourself, then we failed as a society. Acadamia is to create paradigm shifts for our civilization. Expand our minds and find someone who stands out from the rest. I want a Gene Roddenberry universe, not an idiocracy. I say the biggest fix for our schools is to bring down the costs.
I have a bsc in menchanical engineering and am currently unemployed, maybe mostly my fault, but from experience even STEM is pretty saturated.
No major is useless.... tell that to the Starbucks barrista.
A cultural ROI? Bro college isn’t free!
Blue hair freak is right, others are blinded by their own biases
Pearl lived in Milwaukee? Damn pay us a visit then
very easy to be on a confy well paid position and say "yea invest in culture even if you starve cause we need artists" fucking hell
"Trade school graduates earn comparable salaries to those with a four-year degree. With a median annual salary of around $35,720, trade school jobs differ by roughly $11,180 compared to bachelor’s degree holders earning about $46,900. However, trade school programs take just two years, providing graduates with an extra two years of income, amounting to approximately $71,440. When considering the added costs and time spent in college, trade school grads can be over $140,000 ahead, bridging the income gap. "
Good try destiny, but you're wrong.
College is a secure path to being a Starbuck's barista for almost all my friends. The college student's "destiny" will be debt.
Going into debt to go to school, or get paid to be an apprentice... Tough call, lol...
The thing even STEM degrees, particularly Tech, is oversaturated and barely anyone is hiring entry-level right outta college.
College is not overrated 😂 These rich people really forgot what min wage is like. Majority of people are earning near fking min wage. Those with degrees are earning substantially more. I know it seems like 20-25 is not a lot but imagine making 8-15
Majority of people are not making minimum wage, where do you come up with this garbage? 1.5% of workers make minimum wage, and 45% of these minimum wage workers are teenagers.
And all the people who didnt go to college and make $100k+ are just super rare exceptions??! Stop spreading lies.
@@zyzzer you're using a false stat. 1.5% is $7, and some states don't even legally go that low anymore, so that eliminates the whole west coast from your count. 35% make less than $15 an hour. Over 50% of the US can't cover three months of expenses with just their bank account.
For women, college is not a scam. When people say "learn a skill", they weren't talking about women. Women without degrees are shut out of job booms because they don't have anything that says they're qualified.
He ended up quitting his job to manage me lol
If you want to not make money on something you pay for that's called a hobby.
Right?!, Destiny 2:45 pretty much says he hopes a bunch of people get art majors and are consigned to destitution since it benefits the rest of us regardless of how bad it is for them personally.
@@link10909he also says that depending on one’s circumstance, they should probably pursue different degrees based on their pay. “If your poor or lower class, you shouldn’t strive to get a PhD in history” or something to that effect
@@joebidet3606 the purpose of school is to increase your earning potential. I work in a warehouse making $23.13 an hour. My kids teacher who has a degree isn't even making that. Clown World 😂
@@lovefunbeer thats what you think the entire purpose of school is. Following your logic, should no one become a teacher because it typically doesn’t pay well? Should no one pursue these jobs that are necessary for society?
@@joebidet3606 Correct, when a job is underpaid for what it requires, people shouldnt do it. That in turn forces a pay raises for that position until a fair wage is reached by market forces trending to equalibrium.
If teaching degrees are too expensive for what teachers make, we need to make the degree cheaper obtain or the teachers bettet paid.
Over producing teachers has harmed many people I know in the form of the good ones being under paid, and people who didnt realize what being a teacher meant being saddled with debt for degrees that arent worth it to use.
It isn't useless per se. It makes those colleges a lot of money!
Destiny is 100% right most people are dumb and should really look at statistics cause college degrees have a better outcome than most other avenues
Anyone who actually looks at the statistics knows that college is a scam, college degrees yield less money than every other avenue over your lifetime. For example, people who go to trade school make the same amount as degree-holders but don’t have any debt.
Nonsense. People who go college were already going to do better anyway because they come from middle income backgrounds or higher
The first phrase of this clip trumps the whole discussion
I wouldn’t take career or academic advice from any of these guys.
This is the real based take
A safe reliable path like the trades, which doesn't get you debt and depending on the trade can get you 6 figures a year in pay
na, destiny is wrong here. when people talking about roi, they are talking about personal financial investment, of course you need people to invest in other (cultural ) things to preserve society value. but if i pay 30k for college (university), i better think i can get 30k back in my job that dependent on my graduation certificate.
Dudes can make 100k/year cutting grass. If you already have money and can pay your bills, go get that culture enhancing major. If you don't have a career, do not get into debt without a skill that pays first.
100k requires 120 hour weeks. You can do it, but with that caveat
@@TheAmazingDolph Kids who cut grass in the neighborhood get at least 30 USD here. If you charge 40, you're doing it in 50 ish hours a week(giant subdivisions minimize loss to drive time). Larger properties you are condensing by charging more and adding efficiency. It is not an ideal business model, but it shows that even a pretty low skill activity done as a solo business out pays the majority of employee rates.
“But most people are too stupid to cut grass, they need to spend 4 years in college instead!”
No one makes 100k cutting grass. Landscaping pays minimum or slightly over minimum wage. There are small businesses owners that make 100k in their landscaping businesses.
Basket Weaving is a real thing. 😂
The so called Useless Degrees i hear noted here seem to be business degrees- marketing, accounting and general business degrees.
I have noted myself that the only business degrees rate as worthless. Most business owners i knew or met never had either college degrees or had college degrees in other subjects.
Then again even though I became a self proprietor ,
I never had interest in business myself.
Niormally I agree with this Destiny, most degrees are worth it. I have a BA myself and It is much better having a degree than not possessing one.
I edit videos and I’m not making 10k a month. I do it for a film distribution company.
How long had Destiny been out of Corporate America? He is out of touch. They've removed Undergrad requirements from many Corporate jobs because Educated Millennials/Gen Z have poor social skills, can't take feedback or manage properly. Not to mention they want $70k out the gate.
Undergrad Degree is not a guarantee of Middle Class anymore. Meanwhile I have a useless Associates and have many reports under me with Undergrad. It will get even easier the next few years for people who just have hustle (not scam mindset).
No one said it was a guarantee 🤡, that’s the fallacy you believe people say. It’s a more guarantee (better probability) path to middle class compared to not having a college degree. Now do your research because it’s still true that an undergrad in general has a better chance to make more money in their lifetime than a non college degree person.
@@henrytep8884 On average, yes college gets you more. However, this is when you take into account STEM, which Destiny conveniently groups into his arguments to make it seem stronger. Not every degree gets you more than a non-degree person.
@@0doublezero0yep, doesn’t change that on average getting a college degree is worth it. Just because there are degrees that don’t pay very well, doesn’t discredit college on average paying dividends
Dude is out of touch and just love to disagree with cool people. Deep self esteem issues with this guy.
Gender Studies:
5:15 bingo lol
Your best path to finding a good job is to spend those 4 years networking with people...know people, talk to people, befriend all kinds of people....then you'll end up finding a place to work that you know someone that can get you in the door. Unless it's a STEM job, just knowing someone that works at the place you want to work can be the easiest way to get in the door there...of course, you can't be a Fing idiot or anything, but if someone can vouch for you, you don't need a degree in a lot of cases. College is too damn expensive for 90% of the jobs out there.
yes let's get educational advice from a guy who didn't get his money from going to school
The average income for those with a trade is similar to college graduates. Destiny is wrong.
Why would anyone care what destiny thinks?
no major is useless? eh...good luck making $11/hr as a Starbucks barista after spending 102K to get your master's in gender studies
Trades are the go to
If you want to be a doctor, lawyer etc then I’d say go for college but if you don’t want to waste your time and money and get into debt then don’t go into college
Most of your options end up being trade school at that point, and that will eventually lead to less writers, teachers (in something other than wrench turning), historians, musicians, actors, etc. All these professions we still rely on in some way.
What might help is just streamlining the degree programs in universities, requiring less classes that have nothing to do with your major's course load.
Gender studies 😂😂
Poetry is definitely useless.
I hate to say it, but I think I agree with Destiny a bit more than the others on this one.
Woman studies isn't useless?
No he didn't
This guy is just too contrarian. You can say "Hey there is one woman and three men on today's show" and he'll counter your statement and say, "yes but are we really on the show right now" or some weird statement just to be different. Dude, they are obviously talking about ROI when it comes to choosing a major as most people are referring to when talking about choosing a major, not some pie in the sky ROF (return on fulfilment). I mean the other guest mentioned STEM, where one can deduce that he's referring to ROI and potential career options STEM degrees can offer. It's ok to have an opinion. Buddy is just annoying.
Colledge is a scam. In the past employers would have to pay train employees now they employee has to pay for their own training.
Heres a very simple reality
Thebrich send theirbkids to college
You choosing to drop ship and do online marketing instead of going to school does nothing for yourself
Destiny is a smart guy though even though you might not like some of his life decisions
Con artist alert. Destiny is a con artist.
To disagree with Destiny. You can learn about art, history etc... Become an expert without going to university. The RoI works both ways, the cost of university is unjustified for those things.
What is an expert if not someone who has studied and earned degrees in a particular subject. I think we call people like that enthusiasts
I am an IT professional for 20 plus years.
I'm so-called Black. (I don't subscribe to race, but many tell me it somehow keeps them down).
I am a self-taught Tech School dropout with one year of attendance.
I earn in the tip 10 percentile of USA workers.
I mentor Mena dn wom e of all backgrounds, many of them with college degrees.
I have Men and women with college degrees reach out to me for advice on how to accomplish higher levels of achievement and income.
And fully 60% of the people i have worked with actually got degrees in a different field.
College today is bullshit. You would do better joining a meet up, setting up a small network in your home and learning the top 10 or so tasks in the role you will be working.
I actually believe that the majority of college degrees are worthless.
He doesnt know wtf he's talkin about all he does is just argue, i can make better argument he just doesnt like when ppl dont agree with him
Just showed up to say destiny is a shit bag. Not all degrees should cost the same.
Knowledge is always good but many jobs don't need it, college is selling you too many course, sometimes you learn while doing your job, experienced is more important
Destiny has little hands and arms
Most people don't know what their skills are
College does nothing to foster anything for the students
This is such an American problem.
Dawg you’re absolutely right. We have a political party rn that unironically thinks you’re smarter if you’re uneducated. Stuff is wack
@@joebidet3606 typical american who think that college make you smart.
In europe all this propaganda for college dont exist because schools dont cost that much. Most people who go to college dont even work in the field of their diploma.
@@ldyzii3628 which group do you think is smarter on average, College Grads or non-college Grads?
@@joebidet3606 I dont know since you cant quantify intelligence or iq with a diploma.
@@ldyzii3628 the obvious answer are College Grads, and it’s interesting that you couldn’t have guessed that.
I’m not even saying every college educated person is smarter than non-college educated at all, but cmon, you really think a college degree means nothing Torwards one intellectual capabilities?
College only makes sense for STEM fields ntn else. Those are the only jobs that require degrees nowadays. Do u need a degree for acting, no u dont u need talent and links. Do u need a degree to be a great artist, no u need links and talent, do u need a degree to be successful in sales and marketting, no you need links and experience those are the requirements. There are useless degrees nowadays...you require network, talent and or experience. There are so many stats that back this up. Majority of degrees nowadays apart from STEM degrees are thrown out the window once you enter the working world.
Most people with STEM degrees aren’t making that much money, lots of them aren’t even getting jobs in their field.