I don’t think it tarnishes the music at all, the music is still great. It does damage Don Henley’s legacy though and he wasn’t well liked to begin with.
I wouldn’t either, but I did because I had no idea at the time. Pretty pissed I paid $700 for 2 tickets (and not great seats, either) when I could have stayed at home & played the album..
@@camillazapolsky8940 Without trying to come off as an asshole, if you paid $700.00 for not so good seats at this stage of their career, you kind of deserved it. I've seen these guys multiple times for under 50 bucks with the cheapest being $10. I guess a lot of people my age are trying to relive their youth through old timer's shows. As much as I love them and bands like the Stones, there's no way I'm going to the trouble to see them at this stage as they were so much better back in the day. I'll keep those memories.
Fil just took the data provided and analysed it. The results speak for themselves. You have wasted your money mate because Don was not singing live not singing live. Fact.
@@RonniePeterson none of what you say is fact. What is FACT is seeing and hearing them with your own eyes and ears on tour. If you’re not prepared to do that then all you’re doing is SPECULATING- FACT
@@SleeveSaturdayI saw it with my own two eyes and this is something you can't easily pick up visually, especially the way they light Henley on stage and never show close-ups on the live video feed. Notice how he keeps the mic close to his mouth and uses a large windscreen? Pitch analysis software does not lie however. There is no way a human can produce the exact same pitch waveforms when singing the same song years apart. It's that simple. Why do you think the Eagles had such tight security on cell phone videos? They don't want others to discover their fraud before they arrive in their city. You sound like a hardcore fan and I know it's tough to accept. I found it hard to believe before I looked at the evidence and there is no other conclusion to come to. The Eagles lip sync. Not always, but they do now.
@@SleeveSaturdaysaw them live last night. Pretty sure Don sang Desperado live at the end, his voice was deeper and almost broke a couple of times and you could hear him breathing down the mic. The rest of his songs were perfect vocals, a higher key, no breathing, no breaking, no close up videos of him for most of it, sounded just like the album versions. Definitely miming all but Desperado.
Dude they aren’t miming at all. They wouldn’t risk their legacy at this point. I’ve seen them live tons of times in the last ten years. This miming rumour is BS.
@@SleeveSaturday This degree of commitment to a delusion isn’t healthy. By 2015, Henley was already doing “Desperado” transposed down into an easier key, to accomodate the already reduced range of his aging voice. This is not unusual for singers as they age, and is an entirely acceptable practice. However, In 2024, he’s supposedly singing “Desperado” back in the original key he did it in in his twenties. Not only that, but he’s doing it night after night, relentlessly, for months on end, and hitting that high note with all the precision and strength of his youth. This simply does not happen. Singers who already can’t hit high notes in their mid-sixties can’t suddenly hit them again at 76. That’s before we even consider the completely irrefutable evidence of multiple, supposedly separate performances being literally identical. No singer is capable of that, even when deliberately trying really hard to match a previous performance - one they are hearing in headphones at the time. That’s why double-tracking a vocal has that distinctive sound - because the two vocals are NOT completely identical. Ever. They can’t be, because that is impossible. Clearly, Henley either cares about separating gullible people like you from their money MORE than he cares about his legacy, or he thinks people are so stupid that he can get away with it. Let the dream go. It’s over.
Paul McCartney who's older than him, in his 80s already embrace being old and never fake anything. His voice may not be pleasing to hear anymore but at least he's authentic. Would rather watch growling McCartney than a younger man who choose to lip sync. Hell, McCartney's song is hard to sing too
Sad but true. It’s a hotel shamifornia. Take any two gigs, I took One from 2023 and one from March 8. Two different audience recordings. Rip them using free Clipgrab. Load them one at a time into free Moises and solo the voice and export it. Do it for the second one. Load the exported voices and import them into free reaper or any daw, GarageBand. Slide them so their waveforms are aligned and listen. They are the exact same takes and the backing vocals too. Such a shame.
I saw them years ago twice with my mom way way back when Glenn Frey was still alive, and you could hear the imperfections of their voices, but they sounded just AMAZING, flaws and all! They all had little cracks in their voices, Timothy couldn't quite hit all the super highs, but they sounded just fabulous. What a shame in 2024!
I love the Eagles and saw them in 2001 ,they were superb. I went to the last night on Saturday 8th at Manchester co op live last week and got my zoom camera in. I zoomed in on Henley singing Hotel California . When I watched it on my laptop at home I was shocked and disappointed to see he was in fact miming. The dishonesty of them is low. Question is, how many tours ago did they start cheating ? In 2001 they were legit.
The videos of Henley miming to the same prerecorded backing track he’s still using on the current tour go back to at least 2018. There’s a video from 2015 where he sings “Desperado” on the Howard Stern show. He’s clearly doing it for real, and the thing that is particularly notable is that it’s been transposed down a tone to accommodate what was already the diminished range of an ageing voice then - almost a decade ago, whereas the backing track he’s using now is back in the song’s original key. So, my best guess is the change from singing to miming happened sometime between 2015 and 2018.
Why are you deleting comments from your channel about the simple fact that the Eagles were lip-syncing the last few tours? Let the Eagles fans look at the irrefutable pitch analysis of of the exact same multiple tracks and let them decide for themselves. No one likes a censor.
If what Fil was saying was a lie. Don Hedley would have been down on him like a ton of bricks months ago. He normally spends more of his time in a courtroom, accusing people of various things. Than actually playing.
Henley was already miming “Desperado” at least - and to exactly the same backing track he’s lip syncing to now - when you saw him in 2019. The clips of his “performances” of that song that have been used, to definitively demonstrate that the audio is identical in all of them, go back as far as 2018. He’s been using exactly the same recorded performance, regurgitated to a new credulous audience every night, and fraudulently sold to each of them as something brand new, for at least six years. It is safe to assume the same is true of at least some, if not all, of the other songs in his repertoire. The lead vocal on “desperado” is far from the most challenging vocal part Henley performed on Eagles records, so it’s utterly implausible it would be the only one he’s been faking. The most recent performance of him actually SINGING “Desperado” available on RUclips seems to be one from 2015. It’s notable that back then (almost a decade ago) he was singing it transposed down a full tone to accommodate the reduced range of his then already aging voice. By contrast, the lip-synced clips between 2018 and 2024 are back in the original key that was already unachievable for him in his sixties. If you failed to “sniff” the miming in 2019, the problem is with your sniffer. You need your “too good to be true” bullshit detector recalibrated.
It's a fantastic thing to be brought up with bands such as the Eagles. Without any gadgets concurrent with today's music, the Eagles and many others from that time drenched us all with what I consider the best music ever. The Eagles definitely played a huge role in Rock history! As far as things go now, anything goes. Unfortunately. Remember these guys are legends and deserve our respect first and foremost. Contemporary bands make miming normal procedure.
Actually sound reproduction has always been at forefront of technology from the beginning and the crew that recorded The Eagles used all the gadgets including pitch correction, editing and manipulation because it’s been the absolute standard since the beginning, the studio is a creative musician’s science lab. The Beatles rarely ever recorded anything at natural speed or pitch and tape has been spliced and diced since the start. Steely Dan used drum samples (Babylon Sisters uses sampled kick and snare). Almost all films have voice done afterwards with the actors doing their lines afterwards in the studio (ADR/looping) all sounds including hair, clothes and environmental sounds are also done afterwards. Musicians have used click tracks live and in the studio for decades. Drummers use triggers to recreate studio drum sounds live etc etc the issue is that when you go to a gig that’s so expensive, you should expect a certain level of spontaneity and with full playback there’s none.
I like the Eagles music. Lots of feel-good memories. But honestly, it's time for them to pack it up and go enjoy their retirement.
I don’t think it tarnishes the music at all, the music is still great. It does damage Don Henley’s legacy though and he wasn’t well liked to begin with.
Henley replaced Felder, he replaced Frey, now it turns out he replaced himself.
😂
As someone else stated, "Fake it, to the limit."
He’s got you fooled before you even go to see him again. Good luck with that!
Seen them live on this tour yourself have you?
He always talks rubbish on his channel
die hard eagle fans will find a excuse to justify it , me personally i wouldnt pay to see a guy mime
I wouldn’t either, but I did because I had no idea at the time. Pretty pissed I paid $700 for 2 tickets (and not great seats, either) when I could have stayed at home & played the album..
@@camillazapolsky8940 Without trying to come off as an asshole, if you paid $700.00 for not so good seats at this stage of their career, you kind of deserved it. I've seen these guys multiple times for under 50 bucks with the cheapest being $10. I guess a lot of people my age are trying to relive their youth through old timer's shows. As much as I love them and bands like the Stones, there's no way I'm going to the trouble to see them at this stage as they were so much better back in the day. I'll keep those memories.
@@da324 Nobody deserves to have a lead singer lip sync. I expected a LIVE concert, that’s what I was sold. That, apparently, is not what I received.
Fil just took the data provided and analysed it. The results speak for themselves. You have wasted your money mate because Don was not singing live not singing live. Fact.
@@RonniePeterson you haven’t seen them live in person yourself - therefore your opinion is 100% invalid. Stop talking nonsense.
@@SleeveSaturday What a ridiculous response. The data analysed showed that they are faking it. Fact.
@@RonniePeterson none of what you say is fact. What is FACT is seeing and hearing them with your own eyes and ears on tour. If you’re not prepared to do that then all you’re doing is SPECULATING- FACT
@@SleeveSaturdayI saw it with my own two eyes and this is something you can't easily pick up visually, especially the way they light Henley on stage and never show close-ups on the live video feed. Notice how he keeps the mic close to his mouth and uses a large windscreen?
Pitch analysis software does not lie however.
There is no way a human can produce the exact same pitch waveforms when singing the same song years apart. It's that simple.
Why do you think the Eagles had such tight security on cell phone videos? They don't want others to discover their fraud before they arrive in their city.
You sound like a hardcore fan and I know it's tough to accept. I found it hard to believe before I looked at the evidence and there is no other conclusion to come to. The Eagles lip sync. Not always, but they do now.
@@SleeveSaturdaysaw them live last night. Pretty sure Don sang Desperado live at the end, his voice was deeper and almost broke a couple of times and you could hear him breathing down the mic. The rest of his songs were perfect vocals, a higher key, no breathing, no breaking, no close up videos of him for most of it, sounded just like the album versions. Definitely miming all but Desperado.
Come on man. Subtle is ok for you ???? 100% proven !!!! Disgrace Have them go on an unplugged type show to REALLY SEE WHATS HAPPENING !
Dude they aren’t miming at all. They wouldn’t risk their legacy at this point. I’ve seen them live tons of times in the last ten years. This miming rumour is BS.
@@SleeveSaturday This degree of commitment to a delusion isn’t healthy.
By 2015, Henley was already doing “Desperado” transposed down into an easier key, to accomodate the already reduced range of his aging voice. This is not unusual for singers as they age, and is an entirely acceptable practice.
However, In 2024, he’s supposedly singing “Desperado” back in the original key he did it in in his twenties. Not only that, but he’s doing it night after night, relentlessly, for months on end, and hitting that high note with all the precision and strength of his youth.
This simply does not happen. Singers who already can’t hit high notes in their mid-sixties can’t suddenly hit them again at 76.
That’s before we even consider the completely irrefutable evidence of multiple, supposedly separate performances being literally identical. No singer is capable of that, even when deliberately trying really hard to match a previous performance - one they are hearing in headphones at the time. That’s why double-tracking a vocal has that distinctive sound - because the two vocals are NOT completely identical. Ever. They can’t be, because that is impossible.
Clearly, Henley either cares about separating gullible people like you from their money MORE than he cares about his legacy, or he thinks people are so stupid that he can get away with it.
Let the dream go. It’s over.
Technology doesn't lie.
Hahahahahaha what a dumb comment
Read what you just wrote again 🤣🤣🤣
As Fil sets out in the video, the technology doesn’t lie and is far more discerning than your eyes and ears. HENLEY IS MIMING!
Fil proved nothing! Get off RUclips and go see them for yourself
Paul McCartney who's older than him, in his 80s already embrace being old and never fake anything. His voice may not be pleasing to hear anymore but at least he's authentic. Would rather watch growling McCartney than a younger man who choose to lip sync. Hell, McCartney's song is hard to sing too
The Buzzards: Picking Long Dead Bones Tour 2024... Fake It To The Limit
Not paying that much for 50 year old music played live. I wouldnt care if the whole band was still together.
Sad but true. It’s a hotel shamifornia. Take any two gigs, I took One from 2023 and one from March 8. Two different audience recordings. Rip them using free Clipgrab. Load them one at a time into free Moises and solo the voice and export it. Do it for the second one. Load the exported voices and import them into free reaper or any daw, GarageBand. Slide them so their waveforms are aligned and listen. They are the exact same takes and the backing vocals too. Such a shame.
I saw them years ago twice with my mom way way back when Glenn Frey was still alive, and you could hear the imperfections of their voices, but they sounded just AMAZING, flaws and all! They all had little cracks in their voices, Timothy couldn't quite hit all the super highs, but they sounded just fabulous. What a shame in 2024!
You're wrong, bro. But I'm glad you posted this. The more fraud exposure the better
Two things. 1. I’m not your bro. 2. I’m not wrong. Seen them live in person on this tour yourself have you?
Don't waste your money. Saw them April of last year in Baltimore, Maryland. Henley mimed the entire show.
I love the Eagles and saw them in 2001 ,they were superb. I went to the last night on Saturday 8th at Manchester co op live last week and got my zoom camera in. I zoomed in on Henley singing Hotel California . When I watched it on my laptop at home I was shocked and disappointed to see he was in fact miming. The dishonesty of them is low. Question is, how many tours ago did they start cheating ? In 2001 they were legit.
The videos of Henley miming to the same prerecorded backing track he’s still using on the current tour go back to at least 2018. There’s a video from 2015 where he sings “Desperado” on the Howard Stern show. He’s clearly doing it for real, and the thing that is particularly notable is that it’s been transposed down a tone to accommodate what was already the diminished range of an ageing voice then - almost a decade ago, whereas the backing track he’s using now is back in the song’s original key.
So, my best guess is the change from singing to miming happened sometime between 2015 and 2018.
Why are you deleting comments from your channel about the simple fact that the Eagles were lip-syncing the last few tours? Let the Eagles fans look at the irrefutable pitch analysis of of the exact same multiple tracks and let them decide for themselves. No one likes a censor.
Pretty pathetic that someone like Vince Gill would be part of a band that would do this. But money talks in the end. Always.
I wish Paul McCartney would start miming. His voice went years ago.
This will be their legacy.
Um, yeah, clearly. The software kinda proved it. 😂
Been to a concert yourself on this tour and heard it with your own ears have you?
@@SleeveSaturday No, douchebag, it's unnecessary. It's been proven
If what Fil was saying was a lie. Don Hedley would have been down on him like a ton of bricks months ago. He normally spends more of his time in a courtroom, accusing people of various things. Than actually playing.
Henley was already miming “Desperado” at least - and to exactly the same backing track he’s lip syncing to now - when you saw him in 2019. The clips of his “performances” of that song that have been used, to definitively demonstrate that the audio is identical in all of them, go back as far as 2018. He’s been using exactly the same recorded performance, regurgitated to a new credulous audience every night, and fraudulently sold to each of them as something brand new, for at least six years. It is safe to assume the same is true of at least some, if not all, of the other songs in his repertoire. The lead vocal on “desperado” is far from the most challenging vocal part Henley performed on Eagles records, so it’s utterly implausible it would be the only one he’s been faking.
The most recent performance of him actually SINGING “Desperado” available on RUclips seems to be one from 2015. It’s notable that back then (almost a decade ago) he was singing it transposed down a full tone to accommodate the reduced range of his then already aging voice. By contrast, the lip-synced clips between 2018 and 2024 are back in the original key that was already unachievable for him in his sixties.
If you failed to “sniff” the miming in 2019, the problem is with your sniffer. You need your “too good to be true” bullshit detector recalibrated.
It's a fantastic thing to be brought up with bands such as the Eagles. Without any gadgets concurrent with today's music, the Eagles and many others from that time drenched us all with what I consider the best music ever. The Eagles definitely played a huge role in Rock history! As far as things go now, anything goes. Unfortunately. Remember these guys are legends and deserve our respect first and foremost. Contemporary bands make miming normal procedure.
how can they deserve our respect when people are paying £600 ++ to see an old guy mime
Actually sound reproduction has always been at forefront of technology from the beginning and the crew that recorded The Eagles used all the gadgets including pitch correction, editing and manipulation because it’s been the absolute standard since the beginning, the studio is a creative musician’s science lab. The Beatles rarely ever recorded anything at natural speed or pitch and tape has been spliced and diced since the start. Steely Dan used drum samples (Babylon Sisters uses sampled kick and snare). Almost all films have voice done afterwards with the actors doing their lines afterwards in the studio (ADR/looping) all sounds including hair, clothes and environmental sounds are also done afterwards. Musicians have used click tracks live and in the studio for decades. Drummers use triggers to recreate studio drum sounds live etc etc the issue is that when you go to a gig that’s so expensive, you should expect a certain level of spontaneity and with full playback there’s none.
Dude. Henley’s vocals are totally fake . No close up filming on giant screens whatsoever when Henley was singing lead vocals
You're wrong. Henley is in full lip synch mode.
Nah I’m not wrong. Seen them live yourself in person on this tour have you?
@@SleeveSaturday are you stupid or just willfully ignorant? It can only be one or the other if you honestly believe he isn’t lip syncing.
It's a way to get back at Henley for copyright strikes on RUclips rs.
That cranky old goat had a chance to demonstrate a sense of humor by doing a quick recent recording of : "Mojo Nixon DID Die"!!! (RiP, Mojo😢)
If they are faking it they must be desperate dado 😅
Clearly miming. Just because you were fooled by it, doesn't make it true.
If it was the original band members..i would see them.
I hope this is false news.If not i will be pissed off.
It's not, and it's karma for that asshole.
It is true. Watch Fils video.
@@DaveMiller2 it’s not true
ruclips.net/video/jJ6DbH-X-L0/видео.htmlsi=pqSgqpGghUTyHZnC
Don't judge yourself 😂😂 that's what the technology does, you're not that good, the tech fools you
It's fake dude
Nah it’s not
@@SleeveSaturday
ruclips.net/video/FpGDgGdVpwc/видео.htmlfeature=shared
@@SleeveSaturday
I'm afraid Henley is miming