McKenna, Abraham, Sheldrake: Chaos, Creativity and Imagination Trialogue
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2014
- Esalen Institute, 1995
Rupert Sheldrake, Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham examine chaos, creativity and imagination in nature, life, Gaia, mathematics and more.
More Trialogues are available on Rupert's website:
www.sheldrake.org/trialogues
Published as Trialogues at the Edge of the West
www.sheldrake.org/books-by-ru...
The chaos revolution, chaotic attractors and indeterminism in nature. The emergence of form from the field of chaos. The formative process in cooling. Is the mathematical realm of the world soul in co-evolution with ordinary reality? The potential of mathematics to aid us in our own evolution by extending our language for dealing with complex systems. Visual intuitions and the Butterfly Effect.
The idea of an attractor for the entire cosmic evolutionary process. The role of the attractor in chaos dynamics. Motivation and attraction. The value of spoken language. Mathematical modelling. The relationship between mathematical models with chaotic behaviour and the chaos in life. Idolatry and models becoming reality. The feminine aspect of creativity. 
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"Give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest" - Terrence McKenna. He nailed all those confident scientists in one sentence. What a treasure he was.
love it when terrence pulls out a string of words on the level of "feminine vegetable matrix of the planet"
The truly magical years of Esalen. Thank you Paul, RIP.
I once had a dream and right before it ended I heard a male voice calmly say the following “ The singularity flows into the plurality and the plurality flows into the singularity”.
Maria's axiom
Ties right back to, “Say what you mean, and mean what you way.”
“As above, so below; as below, so above.”
Ok, what does that mean ?
To me it means everything is connected and that is where our eternity lies. We are all just a part of one energetic cosmic soup. I could be wrong though🤷♂️
Chicken or the egg? Galaxy or the black hole?
"We can transform ourselves no more quickly than we transform our language."
Nop. You are not defined by words, thoughts, feelings, nor anything you perceive. But you are free to try and experience the consequences.
@@aurelienyonrac can you explain? Or hint towards what you believe ?
@@Nawaska210 I'll take a stab at it. We can transform ourselves to the extent to which we detach from language i.e. disassociate symbol from substance as equivalents. This is not mistaking the menu from meal or the map from the territory.
@@aurelienyonrac I don't think he (Terence) is talking about defining individuals. More so he's talking about change in community, or even the human kind. We need language in order to transfer information with each other, and we need that shared information in order to conceive transformation. Definition has nothing to do with the idea trying to being pass here, given that transformation it's actually about changing the form something/someone/anything has, and therefore transcending the limitations of definition.
wut
This is legendary getting these 3 bahemoths together talking like this, everybody just chillin. McKenna is a cut above man, you can see how the other 2 get really inspired by him. His thinking and oratory skills are brilliant, what a blessing
*Behemoth - a great word to use to describe this trio! I agree about McKenna.
@@gozinta82 I knew I spelt behemoth wrong 😖 but yeah definitely, thanks 🙌💚
Who is the terrance McKenna of today? Is there one? I think the world lost a prophet and the successor hasnt shown up yet
@@AZ-vy4gl he was in a league of his own for sure. Imagine he was still around today! I'd love to hear his thoughts on things now. But I don't think we have anyone that even comes close to filling his shoes. I'm just grateful he was here at all.
@@AZ-vy4glNot to compare, I don't think there is anyone like him really, but The Ungoogleable Michaelangelo certainly carries some of McKenna's fire onwards
Multifaceted depth and exhilarating meaning making. How splendid it is! Where it is nowadays? Why nowadays it’s so extremely rare?
Love the way RS is able to connect and explain complex/abstract ideas in simple terms.
He is sheer genius. Love seeing him and the others when they were so young.
I love Terrence McKenna's ability to communicate in the form of stories - thank you for posting.
Free thought, openness and creativity. So beautiful
I am so happy to be able to watch this
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As am I.
Yes we all are super lucky to not be dead right now. We could be under rubble being crushed by a large slab of drywall... But thankfully here we are, never forget. Namaste🖖
Me too... Much love
Yes!!
These trialogues are incredible. I've been through most of the recordings you gentlemen have on youtube and appreciate these tremendously. Your combined contributions are such a gift. Peace
i love Rupert chuckling away, enjoying himself so much
This was awesome!
How grateful I feel for being able to see this Jewel!
Thank you!
Noted by Alan Watts he says.... We are an aperture by which the universe is observing and creating itself....
What a great trio! To have such perspective is a real treasure! Thank you for sharing this :)
33:55 "time is the theatre of god's becoming" great monologue
This should be mandatory viewing in schools
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Someone download this and send it to space, in every direction please!
hahaha yeaah, why sending a tesla car when we have this genius
Woken One I’ll send it to Carl Sagan in the 4th dimension lol.
I did hence the pixels
@@weAreNotAloneHere clever, made me laugh a bit 😃
BRILLIANT!
Fantastic insights especially when he speaks about epigenetics in 1995 which has only in the last 5 years become more acceptable and less taboo in the science community.
I'll never understand why people think it's necessary to drown out the speech with weirdo music...or any music. It doesn't add anything. It only distracts from these wonderful people and what they're telling us.
I'm saying, this one is bearable compared to alot of the shit people post lol
i like the music and the way it enhances the experience
I've never seen an audience lying on cushions before . This is from 1995 too!
Paul Senkans politicians should sit cross legged on cushions. They might agree on something for once lol.
It’s California
I thought it was ikea but I’m so out of touch with things
@@vanessasouthern1792 And the first thing politicians would agree on is, "Let's go to Ikea and get some damn chairs!"
Noone else saw that.
Idk quite what they’re saying but these mfers SPITTIN
A fascinating corner of our universe through these three, which is existing in a timeless physical dimension. It was a pleasure to be part of this peculiar and futuristic stream of energies.
Some things Terrence talked about are being proven through main stream research just in last 5 years.
This video and such convergence in our space is a glimpses of what internet could be once it is truly alive.
The way Rupert says "Supernovi " and "Los Angeleees" are potential the best and most quintessentially British pronunciations i've ever heard in my life.
I like when he says 'cosmos'. He ends the word with more of a 'moss' sound instead of 'Moze'
David Hawkins wrote something about how certain people's spiritual/intellectual vibrations are so powerful that, in essence, they hold raise the vibrations of hundreds of thousands of other humans, affecting the Earth itself for the better.
(Am paraphrasing from his controversial book 'Power vs Force')
Whether Hawkins' notion is true or not, this video could be a form of evidence in support of his theory.
Pax profundis.
🔭✨🌙🌍🍃🌲
I always knew there would be great change coming.
Never thought we'd have to fight authoritarians again and again.
great talk! love the set up, the interspersed clips and the music. and love how you can see the crowd in the mirror, sitting back and drinking it in
This small space where intuition connects the sides of brain which our times has tilted too strongly towards literal meaning for it's security... love these explorations.. listening to minds in such explorations!
"It is hard work, and great art, to make life, not so serious." -John Irving (The Hotel New Hampshire)
Thank you for educating me and many others who wouldn't ordinarily know about this stuff or have any access to it.
"Time is the theater of God's becoming" - T.M
Nicholas Porter love that quote!
think he is outside of it but its still a good quote
@@karkasnatschka5779 theater and theatre are the same thing. One is European spelling the other is American
"Atheism is god playing hide and seek with itself" that's another good quote. I believe Stanislav Groff said that one.
Right now it's more like '... of gods unbecoming'.
I have a farm full of cubes , natural, beautiful, awe inspiring
Great to listen in to Philosopher Kings.
Love intelligence that can’t be argued , more then just memorised words and plagiarism, valued !
I wonder how David Bohm would have added to these conversations. Bringing in his knowledge of quatum physics and spiritual take on it. It's worth thinking about 🤔
Bohm and McKenna - it is something to wonder about - maybe McKenna would have incited Bohm into wilder speculations, and vice versa.
Reminds me to have another try at reading 'Wholeness and the Implicate Order', maybe try and read 'The Invisible Landscape' along side it, see where that leads. :-)
I've been too bound up with politics and political theory recently. Thanks Michael :-)
@@okafka5446 It's safe to say McKenna knew of Bohm's work, i.e. Rupert has mentioned meetings with Bohm etc...
Science and Spirituality have been coming closer and closer for years - especially with Quantum and many of the obvious/logical ( say Teleological) outcomes. Tell me what insights you get after reading again. I tended to pursue Einstein, Tesla and Bucky Fuller who were all heavy on Imagination ( key word) as their guiding light and seems to be born out of/in Nature herself (I.e. laws are always subject to change regarding Nature). Finding Bohm ( Feynman too) more recently has been refreshing 🌲🙏💕
And J.Krishnmurti
Just what it needed, some music playing in the background, thank you so much.
My goodness that was Fantastic
"Time is but the stream I go a-fishin' in." -Thoreau
Spaced out! Thank you for uploading this. Love from India!
So amazing you knew Terrance
World's first podcast
I wonder if Joe Rogan saw this before he started his own podcast!
Absolutely amazing!! Thank you life.
Insane talk, holy banana-cakes, genius dudes
Thank you for this!
Awesome and we are appreciative.
Fabulous..3rd time seeing this..gets
Better and better and clearer
58:30 till the end is possibly the most important thing I've ever heard in my life.
hey dude it's been 9 months come watch this video again
tremendo maestro
Taking us where we haven't been before 😊🙏👍👊💕
Took me 12 minutes to realize there's a mirror behind them.
LOL :D
@@NOCOMPLYE Brain.exe has stopped working.
@@NOCOMPLYE It got me too :)
Didn't realize until u said it
Spoiler!
I always thought that biologists were the most atheistic of the science world. RS breaks the tradition!
Paul Senkans LSD can do that for ya!
The immense improbability that modern science rests on but cares not to discuss is this the belief that the universe sprang from nothing in a single moment If you can make that leap, it's very hard to see what you couldn’t believe. That is almost the limiting case of credulity. :) McKenna
Loved it. Thanx.
O Caos é a substância primordial, a tal da "sopa"! O útero onde pomos as sementes da criatividade
In a parallel, and slightly more chaotic universe and where I was able to, I would get this shown on Netflix.
Why?
@@LeeGee good question, initially I thought it’d be good for this to reach a wider audience, but upon reflection, my logic is flawed.
Beautiful people. God Bless you all. That's all.Om Tom Sat
i am working on a project in honor of McKenna. open source open data spatial computing project. just doing as he described; I believe AR on the desktop in hyperspace, based on open data/source is where the novel advancements can be made. its a ViT and CNN approach using array of go pro cams for near infinite ways to empower the artist and its ease of creation and sharing.
If and or when the mind can be use as a mirror (instead of an organ for thinking) a wondrous phenomena will occur. There are four faculties of the mind that must be used. These four faculties when used in a composite way, namely, imagination, will, feeling and knowing that can bring forth a new creation upon the ever on-going Creation. A new creation within the universe. In order to do this these four faculties must be cleared so that no thoughts or images are present. Just a kind of clear black mirror. Now this same mind will function as a mirror upon which the most glorious states-of-consciousness can be projected and thus seen and brought into being. Namely, we can be seen as already existing in the glory of the Kingdom of God. In short, Fully Ascended, alive and still on Earth. You'll like it once you get into the swing of it. "Why?" Because Death is no longer necessary. Transmission: A.T.O..M.
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44:14mins my daily Terrance mind blowing .. thank you namaste
Looks like Carl Sagan is the reflection in the bottom right .
Watching Terence gesticulate is like watching a the wind in tree leaves.
I dig the sound effects.
I dig you mami 😍
13.43 models that release us from a need for closure. Deep
Nice compilation Rupert. I was initially annoyed by the distraction of the background sounds but as things went on the flute made me wonder if it was an alto flute being played and in search of finding that out I discovered Gabrielle Roth! I must be about the last person to find out about her.
pure gold
Corona brought me here. All so unreal. Must be a dream.
chaos revolution
rail.bandcamp.com/track/concussion-jam
yup this plandemic has woken up a lot of people in diverse areas/different stages of knowledge
Good stuff!
Wow. New ideas from the past
So deep!!!
I love the added soundtrack and video clips...so awesome
Thanks
Has there really been anyone who's stepped in and filled his shoes ?
Jonathan Ince yeah. Nobody can fill his flip flops lol.
The trifecta of deep experience, deep learning and to me maybe the greatest is the wit, humor and story telling ability of a great Irishman.☘️
based on these replies, i dont think anyone truly has
mark p tru
mark p yep and its happening
McKenna is incredible in this talk. 'Trendlessly fluctuating' ffs. Beautiful. This is over thinking though. Who am I? Ramama Mararishi. Simplify. To the point.
He is the best
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the first thing Terence said: fractal coastlines, zooming in on Esalen. Its in Dali's artwork...google earth. Other bizarre manifestations of transcendental synchronicity between Dali and several other artworks, including movies. Please take this seriously, its complex to describe, but yes. Dali is a HOLOGRAPHIC CARTOGRAPHER,
Is there anyone now having a conversation of this caliber? Who has taken up the mantle for Terence. Where would I look? Ram Dass and Alan Watts were the other 2 mainstays but I’m sure there must be more. Hopefully still loving voices
Oliver Sacks is a worthy contender as a practical philosopher, but I think he has recently passed away (maybe three years ago?). His humane work to help the afflicted was immortalised in the movie The Awakenings. Brilliant writer and medico.
Evolution into heaven would be awesome🙋♂️
Will there be chicks
@@Tony78454 that's hilarious haha😆from all around the world yes.
Thank you for this insightful discussion. It’s right in the alley of Itzhak Bentov, or even Nassim Haramein toroidal fractal universe theory. I really think the fungi analogy applies to all cosmic processes, and communicating to us in symbiotic ways. Namaste
Connection! David Lynch talking about TM sounds like Terence McKenna! Same tone and inflection
Thank you
I didn't know that Terence and Rupert used to hang out with George Lucas in the 90's
great music, someone knows who is it playing?
I am in the stream, I am in this dream
Philosopher: Words?
People: Yes Please.
Philosopher: Words.
People: Amazing.
What?
Hahaha...
Is “chaos”, in this case, synonymous with Ginnungagap (yawning chasm) spoken of in the Norse creation myths?
What we are doing to the planet. It would seem that either we are complying with our programming or we have usurped said programming. Are we doing what we are supposed to, or are we operating off the reservation?
We are evolving still, moving forward, what is happening currently was always naturally going to happen at some point or another, personally I am terribly excited to see how things turn out, to be the audience of an incredibly intricate story of great beauty and ugliness, of chaos, it deeply excites me.
@@sen_-23 it is a strange but wonderful existence, isn't it?
@@sen_-23 I enjoy your music btw.
What a trip...
58:28 - Start of the GOLD
seems to be a recording of well before 1995 most likely from the 80s ..
This mike
I never knew Jerry Garcia was such a philosopher...
Who?
Just an ice cream flavor
@@ps4noobdontshoot599 Jerry Garcia was a hippie musician who was a part of The Grateful Dead. Ralph Abraham resembled him.
Now go! Spread the word! And what about Jerry's kids?!
Salvador Dali's art is astonishingly synchronistic with all the images on Google Earth. His art seems to have an extra dimension --- "holographic cartography". there are videos showing the synchronicity on my youtube. I think there is a Mandelbrot factor in Dali's Art, through Rubens and Kirchner and Ramon Lull.
where can i find this VHS tape?
Any revolution that doesn’t have humor you can count me out....so this one I’m in!👶
I could totally do without the sound effects throughout!! Their voices are all I need.
Totally
Thank u! Agreed!
u are nowhere in spiritual understanding if u mind the noise
@@jkws3724 ...And I take it based on your loving and compassionate statement here, that you are a fully realized and enlightened being...pleased and honored to make your acquaintance. Peace.
@@dancewomyn1 i work by challenging people in the most direkt manner i just said the truth and your mind wove a story around what wasnt there to interpret. what does enlightenment mean ?
"reality" is NOT math.
Math is just a language we use.
Otherwise, is to be confused between the measurement, and that which is being measured. With each increment only existing in our minds.
on my youtube, Mr. Sheldrake: you can see Dali/Google Earth videos. All image acquisition (dali from the 933 collected works) and (google earth from version 7.1) are randomly acquired. This is NOT PAREIDOLA. There is no seeking, just INSTANTANEOUS HOLOGRAPHIC SYNCHRONISTIC CORRELATION IN Context and Content. Truly astonishing. Rapid acquisition, as random as random can be. Please evaluate this High Strangeness, I have like 100,000 screenshots of this phenomenon. IT WORKS AT ALL SCALES ON GOOGLE EARTH.
Can anybody tell me what kind of visuals are in this video the ones that look like The Game of Life was made into a trippy visual sorta
Really wonderful, but I wish there was no music when they start to get to the peak of the point if you will. Distracting
If they were able to get together today the conversation would probably not be the same.