This was a great review. Thank you for tbe level of detail in it. I'm not terribly tech savvy but I'm also savvy enough to mess with things to an extent, and your video gave me more confidence that I could work with this. I've been doing research into split ergo keyboards deciding which one to get and this one might've sold me on the Glove 80. Much appreciated once again.
Happy to hear it! And yeah, one of the reasons for me to start this channel is to show folks what the configuration, which a lot of the YT reviews seem to miss. That said, happy to hear you found it useful. (This message was typed on the Glove80 by the way)
Those extra "feet" that come with the kit make great spacers to cover up the exposed rods of your tenting height, and help stabilize the feet and quiet things if installed tight. If your tenting angle leaves a little extra space, add an extra nut or two, or even some of the included rubber o-rings (or 3d-print or cut a little tubing for a sleeve to get your perfect height). This kit is so well thought out, but not all that info makes it into the setup materials.
Thats a fair comment! I have tried it briefly and while it does work ... I can see myself build a more extreme tenting solution for my needs. There is a nice and inspiring community in their Slack channel and I am eye balling what folks do in the meantime.
That extra bad-habit detail is exactly what I need to know before purchasing. I do gaming often, and I place middle, index and ring fingers on a/w/d for move/direction, pinky on shift for skill combo, and that probably wont work well if I dont remap my keys. Definitely something to think about, thanks for the heads up!
Great insight on pros and cons. I am also loving the Glove80. All I wanted in a Keyboard to help my RSI. Regarding Homing keys, the extra keycaps in the box have two blank caps in a different concave shape (all four corners raised instead of two) that can be used for homing. You can also purchase from them the extra homing keycaps with the traditional dash lines. You can also buy it with the switches not soldered, so you can put your own. I got 20gf Ambient Silent Nocturnals. Is like typing on a cloud with 0 effort
Ah yeah I can imagine those super lightweight keys to be very interesting. My moonlander currently carries tactile sunset switches which are also very nice in terms of tactile experience.
I'm enjoying the hell out of my Dygma Defy - I experimented with welled layouts a bit before investing, but decided I would get more from the tenting and that has proven correct for me.
Great review, calm and detailed. Love this board. Made me learn to touch type like no other board did before. Using engrammer layout, my only grime is that I can not get used to game on it yet, even with a gaming layer. Who has the time to play games anyway..
Really great review, I’m looking at one of these for when travelling. Been tying to use a corne keyboard when travelling but it too uncomfortable. I suffer with RSI too, what made the biggest difference for me was the Miryoku keyboard layout. It only uses 36 keys on the keyboard but what this allows for is minimal hand movement when typing and never have to overreach fingers or move uncomfortably. I got an advantage 360, the layout change took from it from a 8/10 for comfort to 10/10. Also the Colemak layout is way for comfortable for typing than qwerty. 😊
I am eager to give that Advantage device a spin but found it to be *very* expensive given the other options that are out there today. But I do agree, the layout you program on the board can make such a big impact!
So good I bought two of them, one with red pro and one without soldered switches. I do not use palm rest. It is not adviced to use palm rest while actually typing. They must be used to rest only. The fact you need to stretch your index finger may come from this.
That is true for most keyboards, but according to the MoErgo guy on their Discord they designed the palm rest for typists to rest their palm lightly while typing. Not the whole palm, just the “ball”, I guess. I find it extremely comfortable whereas resting my palms on padded rests when using other keyboards causes pain and numbness. In fact, MoErgo has released STL’s for parts of the keyboard but won’t release anything of the palm rest as that seems to be their most prized creation.
Curious, do you still remember the transition from a magic keyboard to an ergo keyboard? Thinking about getting a glove 80 but not sure if it is too much of a jump. I am a programmer too.
with a regular keyboard you can simulate the key well by using anything that raises the keyboard from the wrist rest instead of the part where the feet usually are. And is so much more comfortable for the wrist.
Not in my experience. The keywell really makes a difference and even keycap tilting kits aren't a fair comparison. It's mainly because of the angle at which you can press the keys combined with the height. I also think the thumb likes to be slightly higher than the fingers in the resting position.
Have you looked at the Kinesis Advantage 360? It’s a similar concept, but uses geometries that have been used in their contoured keyboards for decades. It comes in a basic wired version using a custom firmware and a wireless “professional” model using ZMK.
I would not mind giving that a spin, but I do find the device to be *very* expensive. I am keeping an eye on 2nd hand sites for them. I also hear that their software is pretty poor, especially given the amount of money that you pay for the device.
I have the exact same setup 😂. The magic trackpad is really convenient but it triggers my rsi. That's why i try to use the glove for everything. Anyways it's so much more comfortable than a traditionnal kb. Won't ever go back. Neovim + glove80 is the perfect setup for Development
@@calmcode-io How would you compare the Glove80 vs the UHK ? I saw you also have that one, I'm on the fence between these two and also considering the Voyager but less so than these two. Which one would you recommend? The Glove80 seems more ergonomic with the keywell but the UHK seems more sturdy and has the flexibility of adding modules later. Anyway just looking for feedback from someone who has used both. Thanks!
@@martmelee they are both great. I have found recently that if I use the UHKv2 for a long time that my wrist issues flare up again. This is not unique for the UHKv2, all row staggered boards have this effect it seems. If you do not suffer from this, the UHKv2 can be a great option but if RSI is your main concern I would explore the Glove80. Recommendations are very tricky though because so much of this is personal. I mainly hope that my videos help give a reasonable impression in a way that helps.
by the looks of it you live in an art project house its like a surreal warped space maybe its even like on the side and not upright and youre showing us this keyboard XD pretty cool design though but idk if i can ever move from normal keyboards
You're not the first to comment on it. But the simple truth is that this is a small little corner in an attic of a small Dutch house. You may enjoy looking at my review of the UHKv2 in the meantime or the Dygma Raise. Will also review another split keyboard with row stagger soon that is also worth a look. ruclips.net/video/nCUJK9zDXpI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/kfL0G5yaIH8/видео.html
Thanks very much for the review. I've had the keyboard for about a month and really enjoy it - it's done wonders for my RSI. However, for the last 3 days, some keys will "stick". For example, I'll be typing and suddenly my document will read "ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg". Or the backspace will stick and delete continually. The physical key does not seem to be actually stuck in a pressed position when it happens, and the keys that do it are not always the same. Has anyone else had this happen?
It could be that something got between the keycap? Did you replace any of them by the way? If so, did you use their wrench instruction? There is a Discord for the Glove80 by the way, folks seem very eager to hear issues and they seem to respond quickly, might be good to ping people there.
I'm on the fence. I use a Magic Keyboard and I've wanted to go mechanical ergo for a while. I don't have RSI, but I do type a lot as a sw engineer. I want comfort and speed.
I might explore a cheap, albeit programmable keyboard first. A split keyboard can really take a while to get used to, especially if the layout is different from what you are used to.
Hey so I have hand tenosynovitis which severely limits the amount of movement I can do with my thumb which is move it from my index finger and stretched all the way out so I am looking for a keyboard that will allow me to do this stretching the least would you say the glove 80 would be a better keyboard for me or voyager do you have any other recommendations well I would appreciate it so much
It's hard to quantify "a lot". But here's an attempt. If 10 is the unachievable level of perfect comfort and if 5 is a macbook pro keyboard ... then the Moonlander is a 7.5 and the Glove80 is a 9. Don't forget about the quality of the Moonlander software though because it really shines there!
@@calmcode-io yeah I imagine it's pretty subjective too. I love my Voyager but it doesn't always feel comfortable, especially when using layers. Maybe I'm still adjusting.
@@cp3io one of the things that I really enjoy from exploring these different keyboards and layouts is that they also force me to consider different ways to configure the boarrd. For example: it seems that enter works better for me under a layer. I only learned this by forcing myself to use a split keyboard that only has one button per thumb. My advice here isn't to go on a shopping spree. But perhaps to take a piece of paper and to start from first principles and design a layout from scratch. It can also be great to pay attention to what actions you often do on your machine and to figure out shortcuts for that.
Imo the concavity is the killer feature of the glove. You could also have a look at the kinesis but i chose the glove because the lightness make it really easy to put in the backpack when i go to the office
I like your vids but you like also the USB Cable from Dygma hihi 🙂 i have also the Glove 80 and the Dygma switching always my HHKB Type S, Dygma Raise OG and the Glove 80 🙂. At the end, strangly my pain total disapear when i use the HHKB i dont know what is so strange, i can typ faster, blind and without Palmrest, the HHKB is Kinda Magic. But love also totally Glove 80 and the Raise
Its more coincidence than anything else that the Raise cable lies there to be honest 😅 The HHKB suprises me a bit yeah ... isnt that positive tilt something that you end up feeling in your wrist?
@@calmcode-io haha i use also that cable really a lot, i was one of the first Persons, which got the first Raises have the Serial Number 31 the wrote it on the PCB per Hand haha 🤣😅. Its a good Keyboard, i have really to say it 👍❤️. For the HHKB, i think its the angle of they Keys, the Layout and the Topre Switches ❤️. I dont have wristpain anymore, no Burning in the Fingers, my pinky feels alive after 10 Hours of Working and i type really a lot... I type like on clouds on the HHKB, its smooth, you have a little Tactile Bump, and then the pushback. Hard to describe, a mushy but Crispy Marshmallow keystroke, without this hard buttonout. They Layout, short ways, easy to learn, on Mac easy to programm via Karabiner and on Win with AHK. First day i was meh i dont like it, but i kinda like it. Second Day i type and type, i felt in Love. Now its even lubed, i give all my Keyboard just to keep the HHKB really... Give it a try its also on Amazon if you dont like it Return it. I fight almost 3 3/4 years with RSI, with the HHKB its gone, i have Glove 80, Dygma Raise incl Tentingkit, K860, Wave Keys, E GO-Split, Kinses Frestyle and Advantage 360. All this keyboards have a flaw, the keys and the Pinky stretch, in my opinion. A mechanical switch ist 90% a hard Buttonout, the silent switches a kinda softer but wenn you have RSI you want it soft, like a pillow. The Famouse Pinky strech its gone really... The short layout, even the arrow keys press fn, the arrows are next to it.. incredible simple but clever Design... And the biggest Problem what all make all wrong, dont wrest on the Palmrest, hoover a bit over the Keyboard. It feels strange but the fingers have to point a bit down the wristankle have to be straight with the arm, the best you make a V with your arms, Ellbows Out and the hands together like you split the Raise in a V Shape. Then you dont need any splitkeyboard and any palmrest, i made also always the mistake Palmrest ahh i dont lift my arms, but you have really... What i wanted to say Maybe it helps me, the HHKB and others not, but if you can try it then try it. RSI is difficult, can be a Pain, a burning in the fingertips, can be a Discomfort, a blocking fingers, fingers you cant feel, ellbow Pain, lifting arms problem... Once you have it and you work on PC, you want to get it rid of RSI. But everyone feels different.
@@JakobRosenstein88 I was eager to give the HHKB a try but it seems like that keyboard does not allow for homerow modifications. If that were configurable it would be a lot easier for me to consider.
@@JakobRosenstein88 interesting. Yeah, the HHKB is interesting enough to me that I am keeping an eye on ebay for it. If a good deal comes around then I will definately buy it. I am pretty sure I will miss the split nature of the other boards, but who knows ... time might tell
This was a great review. Thank you for tbe level of detail in it. I'm not terribly tech savvy but I'm also savvy enough to mess with things to an extent, and your video gave me more confidence that I could work with this. I've been doing research into split ergo keyboards deciding which one to get and this one might've sold me on the Glove 80.
Much appreciated once again.
Happy to hear it!
And yeah, one of the reasons for me to start this channel is to show folks what the configuration, which a lot of the YT reviews seem to miss. That said, happy to hear you found it useful.
(This message was typed on the Glove80 by the way)
Those extra "feet" that come with the kit make great spacers to cover up the exposed rods of your tenting height, and help stabilize the feet and quiet things if installed tight. If your tenting angle leaves a little extra space, add an extra nut or two, or even some of the included rubber o-rings (or 3d-print or cut a little tubing for a sleeve to get your perfect height). This kit is so well thought out, but not all that info makes it into the setup materials.
Thats a fair comment! I have tried it briefly and while it does work ... I can see myself build a more extreme tenting solution for my needs. There is a nice and inspiring community in their Slack channel and I am eye balling what folks do in the meantime.
That extra bad-habit detail is exactly what I need to know before purchasing. I do gaming often, and I place middle, index and ring fingers on a/w/d for move/direction, pinky on shift for skill combo, and that probably wont work well if I dont remap my keys. Definitely something to think about, thanks for the heads up!
Happy to help!
Great insight on pros and cons. I am also loving the Glove80. All I wanted in a Keyboard to help my RSI.
Regarding Homing keys, the extra keycaps in the box have two blank caps in a different concave shape (all four corners raised instead of two) that can be used for homing. You can also purchase from them the extra homing keycaps with the traditional dash lines.
You can also buy it with the switches not soldered, so you can put your own. I got 20gf Ambient Silent Nocturnals. Is like typing on a cloud with 0 effort
Ah yeah I can imagine those super lightweight keys to be very interesting. My moonlander currently carries tactile sunset switches which are also very nice in terms of tactile experience.
I'm enjoying the hell out of my Dygma Defy - I experimented with welled layouts a bit before investing, but decided I would get more from the tenting and that has proven correct for me.
Oh the Glove80 totally can be tented, just to be clear. But it does involve more handywork on the users' side.
Great review, calm and detailed. Love this board. Made me learn to touch type like no other board did before. Using engrammer layout, my only grime is that I can not get used to game on it yet, even with a gaming layer. Who has the time to play games anyway..
Yeah, it is really great at forcing good typing habbits.
Really great review, I’m looking at one of these for when travelling. Been tying to use a corne keyboard when travelling but it too uncomfortable.
I suffer with RSI too, what made the biggest difference for me was the Miryoku keyboard layout. It only uses 36 keys on the keyboard but what this allows for is minimal hand movement when typing and never have to overreach fingers or move uncomfortably. I got an advantage 360, the layout change took from it from a 8/10 for comfort to 10/10. Also the Colemak layout is way for comfortable for typing than qwerty. 😊
I am eager to give that Advantage device a spin but found it to be *very* expensive given the other options that are out there today. But I do agree, the layout you program on the board can make such a big impact!
Wow! Awesome review!,😍❤️
Happy to hear it!
So good I bought two of them, one with red pro and one without soldered switches. I do not use palm rest. It is not adviced to use palm rest while actually typing. They must be used to rest only. The fact you need to stretch your index finger may come from this.
Interesting! I find the typing experience while using the palm rest to be very nice. But will give it a try!
That is true for most keyboards, but according to the MoErgo guy on their Discord they designed the palm rest for typists to rest their palm lightly while typing. Not the whole palm, just the “ball”, I guess. I find it extremely comfortable whereas resting my palms on padded rests when using other keyboards causes pain and numbness. In fact, MoErgo has released STL’s for parts of the keyboard but won’t release anything of the palm rest as that seems to be their most prized creation.
Curious, do you still remember the transition from a magic keyboard to an ergo keyboard? Thinking about getting a glove 80 but not sure if it is too much of a jump. I am a programmer too.
with a regular keyboard you can simulate the key well by using anything that raises the keyboard from the wrist rest instead of the part where the feet usually are. And is so much more comfortable for the wrist.
Not in my experience. The keywell really makes a difference and even keycap tilting kits aren't a fair comparison. It's mainly because of the angle at which you can press the keys combined with the height. I also think the thumb likes to be slightly higher than the fingers in the resting position.
Holy crap. When you said $400 that's when I knew I had to stop watching the video. What a price
Have you looked at the Kinesis Advantage 360? It’s a similar concept, but uses geometries that have been used in their contoured keyboards for decades. It comes in a basic wired version using a custom firmware and a wireless “professional” model using ZMK.
I would not mind giving that a spin, but I do find the device to be *very* expensive. I am keeping an eye on 2nd hand sites for them. I also hear that their software is pretty poor, especially given the amount of money that you pay for the device.
I have the exact same setup 😂. The magic trackpad is really convenient but it triggers my rsi. That's why i try to use the glove for everything.
Anyways it's so much more comfortable than a traditionnal kb. Won't ever go back.
Neovim + glove80 is the perfect setup for Development
Just imagine: a version of the Glove80 that also carries a trackball for mouse movement. Might get seriously close to an endgame keyboard!
@@calmcode-io How would you compare the Glove80 vs the UHK ? I saw you also have that one, I'm on the fence between these two and also considering the Voyager but less so than these two.
Which one would you recommend? The Glove80 seems more ergonomic with the keywell but the UHK seems more sturdy and has the flexibility of adding modules later. Anyway just looking for feedback from someone who has used both.
Thanks!
@@martmelee they are both great. I have found recently that if I use the UHKv2 for a long time that my wrist issues flare up again. This is not unique for the UHKv2, all row staggered boards have this effect it seems.
If you do not suffer from this, the UHKv2 can be a great option but if RSI is your main concern I would explore the Glove80.
Recommendations are very tricky though because so much of this is personal. I mainly hope that my videos help give a reasonable impression in a way that helps.
by the looks of it you live in an art project house its like a surreal warped space maybe its even like on the side and not upright and youre showing us this keyboard XD pretty cool design though but idk if i can ever move from normal keyboards
You're not the first to comment on it. But the simple truth is that this is a small little corner in an attic of a small Dutch house.
You may enjoy looking at my review of the UHKv2 in the meantime or the Dygma Raise. Will also review another split keyboard with row stagger soon that is also worth a look.
ruclips.net/video/nCUJK9zDXpI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/kfL0G5yaIH8/видео.html
Thanks very much for the review. I've had the keyboard for about a month and really enjoy it - it's done wonders for my RSI. However, for the last 3 days, some keys will "stick". For example, I'll be typing and suddenly my document will read "ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg". Or the backspace will stick and delete continually. The physical key does not seem to be actually stuck in a pressed position when it happens, and the keys that do it are not always the same. Has anyone else had this happen?
It could be that something got between the keycap? Did you replace any of them by the way? If so, did you use their wrench instruction?
There is a Discord for the Glove80 by the way, folks seem very eager to hear issues and they seem to respond quickly, might be good to ping people there.
Keyboard demo at 6:03
In your quest to try all ergonomic keyboards you should give the Dygma Defy a go; I think you'll love the thumbcluster and the tenting 🥰
All in due time. This hobby 'aint cheap 😅. If you are willing to sponsor one I will gladly give it an extended look though!
I'm on the fence. I use a Magic Keyboard and I've wanted to go mechanical ergo for a while. I don't have RSI, but I do type a lot as a sw engineer. I want comfort and speed.
I might explore a cheap, albeit programmable keyboard first. A split keyboard can really take a while to get used to, especially if the layout is different from what you are used to.
I may have missed it in the video, but what type of switches are in the model you demonstrated here?
I was simply to early in the video with this question, but for anyone wondering the same thing, it's the red pros.
Yep! Pro reds!
Hey so I have hand tenosynovitis which severely limits the amount of movement I can do with my thumb which is move it from my index finger and stretched all the way out so I am looking for a keyboard that will allow me to do this stretching the least would you say the glove 80 would be a better keyboard for me or voyager do you have any other recommendations well I would appreciate it so much
I only use two thumb keys really so the thumb does not move in my setup. For proper advice please check in with a medical professional as well.
would you say it's a lot more comfortable than the Voyager?
It's hard to quantify "a lot". But here's an attempt.
If 10 is the unachievable level of perfect comfort and if 5 is a macbook pro keyboard ... then the Moonlander is a 7.5 and the Glove80 is a 9. Don't forget about the quality of the Moonlander software though because it really shines there!
@@calmcode-io yeah I imagine it's pretty subjective too. I love my Voyager but it doesn't always feel comfortable, especially when using layers. Maybe I'm still adjusting.
@@cp3io one of the things that I really enjoy from exploring these different keyboards and layouts is that they also force me to consider different ways to configure the boarrd. For example: it seems that enter works better for me under a layer. I only learned this by forcing myself to use a split keyboard that only has one button per thumb.
My advice here isn't to go on a shopping spree. But perhaps to take a piece of paper and to start from first principles and design a layout from scratch. It can also be great to pay attention to what actions you often do on your machine and to figure out shortcuts for that.
Did you mean voyager instead of moonlander here? i'm deciding between a voyager and glove80 so really appreciate your reviews!
Imo the concavity is the killer feature of the glove. You could also have a look at the kinesis but i chose the glove because the lightness make it really easy to put in the backpack when i go to the office
They released a version with silent switches and with 30g
True! It is very tempting to buy one for that to me personally.
I like your vids but you like also the USB Cable from Dygma hihi 🙂 i have also the Glove 80 and the Dygma switching always my HHKB Type S, Dygma Raise OG and the Glove 80 🙂. At the end, strangly my pain total disapear when i use the HHKB i dont know what is so strange, i can typ faster, blind and without Palmrest, the HHKB is Kinda Magic. But love also totally Glove 80 and the Raise
Its more coincidence than anything else that the Raise cable lies there to be honest 😅
The HHKB suprises me a bit yeah ... isnt that positive tilt something that you end up feeling in your wrist?
@@calmcode-io haha i use also that cable really a lot, i was one of the first Persons, which got the first Raises have the Serial Number 31 the wrote it on the PCB per Hand haha 🤣😅. Its a good Keyboard, i have really to say it 👍❤️.
For the HHKB, i think its the angle of they Keys, the Layout and the Topre Switches ❤️.
I dont have wristpain anymore, no Burning in the Fingers, my pinky feels alive after 10 Hours of Working and i type really a lot...
I type like on clouds on the HHKB, its smooth, you have a little Tactile Bump, and then the pushback. Hard to describe, a mushy but Crispy Marshmallow keystroke, without this hard buttonout. They Layout, short ways, easy to learn, on Mac easy to programm via Karabiner and on Win with AHK. First day i was meh i dont like it, but i kinda like it. Second Day i type and type, i felt in Love. Now its even lubed, i give all my Keyboard just to keep the HHKB really... Give it a try its also on Amazon if you dont like it Return it.
I fight almost 3 3/4 years with RSI, with the HHKB its gone, i have Glove 80, Dygma Raise incl Tentingkit, K860, Wave Keys, E GO-Split, Kinses Frestyle and Advantage 360.
All this keyboards have a flaw, the keys and the Pinky stretch, in my opinion. A mechanical switch ist 90% a hard Buttonout, the silent switches a kinda softer but wenn you have RSI you want it soft, like a pillow. The Famouse Pinky strech its gone really... The short layout, even the arrow keys press fn, the arrows are next to it.. incredible simple but clever Design...
And the biggest Problem what all make all wrong, dont wrest on the Palmrest, hoover a bit over the Keyboard. It feels strange but the fingers have to point a bit down the wristankle have to be straight with the arm, the best you make a V with your arms, Ellbows Out and the hands together like you split the Raise in a V Shape.
Then you dont need any splitkeyboard and any palmrest, i made also always the mistake Palmrest ahh i dont lift my arms, but you have really...
What i wanted to say Maybe it helps me, the HHKB and others not, but if you can try it then try it. RSI is difficult, can be a Pain, a burning in the fingertips, can be a Discomfort, a blocking fingers, fingers you cant feel, ellbow Pain, lifting arms problem... Once you have it and you work on PC, you want to get it rid of RSI. But everyone feels different.
Sorry for my bad english, im from Austria, Speak 5 Languages perfect, but my english was always bad 😅.
@@JakobRosenstein88 I was eager to give the HHKB a try but it seems like that keyboard does not allow for homerow modifications. If that were configurable it would be a lot easier for me to consider.
@@JakobRosenstein88 interesting. Yeah, the HHKB is interesting enough to me that I am keeping an eye on ebay for it. If a good deal comes around then I will definately buy it. I am pretty sure I will miss the split nature of the other boards, but who knows ... time might tell
just don't use the number row :) and try Miryoku, it's designed for keyboards like this one.