Thank you, I’ve been thinking about this for years, and to now see it is wonderful. I never would have thought to square it that way, brilliant. Thank you!
Andy, you're an amazingly patient, and detail oriented teacher. Thank you for taking the time to do these very, very instructional videos! These companies should be paying you to do these. I was looking into a system like this, and you sold me on the Incra fence. Great job! Alfonso, From Hollywood, CA.
Oh, and one more thing. May i suggest you doing a video for those of us who own the TS55 and later acquired the TS75 and calibrate it to the existing guide rails with the 55 cut. I did it and wished a video with your teaching methods existed. thanks.
Hi Hollywood CA Thank you for your kind words, perhaps I should send Festool and Incra a link 😆 The Incra fence is a great addition to the Router and the table saw, but complex for joints but does a good job. Providing you have a way of thicknesing the stock on the through dovetails. Cheers Andy
Hello again, Yes I can see the problem - as the track is configured to a particular saw. So unless the tolerance is amazing between the TS55 and TS75 then that is an interesting problem. I don’t have a TS75 and am not likely to introduce one into my workflow, unless I build a dedicated CMS table saw at some point (but that is not currently on my list). So I am not likely to make this video, unless Festool would like to send me a TS75 for review :-) Cheers Andy
@@chrisjerome1698 Hi Chris, don't panic my friend part 4 will be released on Tuesday - (12th Feb 19) at 19:00 GMT. However, we have so much to cover that the 4 part series may well stretch to 5 parts. It seems a shame to come all this way and not show all the basic things it can do on the CMS Edge jointing Rebate Parallel grooves Box joints Dove tails Blind Dove tails The series is expanding so if you see part 5 of a 4 part series, then you know what has happened :-) And that's before we even look at, Double dovetails Double Double dovetails Dovetail variations Part 6 of a 4 part series..... This could become my magnum opus..... Talk soon Andy
+David Troncoso Hi David, Yes the second MFT has made a huge difference, and the crown stop is super versatile when it comes to connecting things to the MFT. I have on occasion extended the MFT’s even further using the crown stop and the extensions from the Kapex. My biggest wish now is to by a second guide rail and set of brackets so I can have a second cross cut station set up and ready to go. I find myself moving between both tables as I break down larger stock. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Cheers Andy
For larger cutting applications and still while retaining portability, you might consider building yourself a "Ron Paulk" style bench using the Parf Guide System to drill near-CNC accurate 20mm dog holes. Ron's original bench was 4' x 8' but he also designed a compact version roughly 3' x 6'. Both versions incorporated a router plate and supports for a portable table saw. I have 2 MFT's but I readily admit the larger Paulk bench offers real advantages, especially for larger work.
+Welsh Rabbit Hi, yes I am familiar with that bench, it’s indeed awesome. I also remember Jay Bates building something similar (based on Ron’s design). I also long for something longer than the two MFT, so am thinking in terms of a long run down the side of the workshop, under storage and the ability to drop in the CMS modules. Probably just over 3000mm long and around 700mm wide. Series of holes as you say, but also some sort of leg vice for hand tool work. One day I will make a start - but just so much to do at the moment. Thank you for the feedback Andy
Had a comment from Matt, but it seems to have vanished. Hi Matt, yes love the two MFT tables and the Incra fence adds huge value and versatility. Your setup sounds really simple and accurate, what I can’t visualise is how you allow for the distance between the dogs. Yes the fence dogs look really good. Craig also got in touch about them - I agree they are a better way to go than the Festool fence clamps, so will be ordering soon. Talk soon Andy
+C B Hi C B, There is a third party accessory that fits into the 20mm holes in the MFT. They are pretty tall and have a slot towards the top. You can then use a screw to connect the Festool MFT fence to the fence dogs. Then you simply put the fence dogs into the MFT holes - and hey presto perfectly square fence to the MFT. It can also be taken off and repositioned in at sequence of holes - so you could also set it on the diagonal and have 45 degree fence to your track rail. Very quick, very simple and very accurate. You can see a set here benchdogs.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/fence-dogs Currently I use the Festool fence clamps to position the fence onto the back of the MFT. But it is limited as it can only be in the one position AND it has play in it, so I always have to check and re-check for square. Hope this helps. Andy
Thanks for taking the time to do this. There must be a better squaring / measuring solution out there for peeps who don’t have a cms to justify this kit?
+ChinskiChat Hi, yes - I would be looking at an MFT type table (either puschased from Festool, or made in the shop using a third party MFT replacement top) and the Benchdog series of kit. Have a look at my last video - updating the Festool MFT 3. I show how I can get saure repeatable cuts by some simple modifications. Kind Regards Andy
To take out the small slop in the front bracket of the MFT you can get a small Delrin insert from Canada which, although ridiculously expensive, ensures the front end of the guide rail locks in precisely every time
Hi, Yes have seen that - quick simple solution, but as you say expensive in the UK with P&P. I think there is a version in the UK, Peter reviewed it some months ago over on the ten min workshop. Cheers A
The Woodgrafter it was expensive. About £20 I recall. A lot for a tiny piece of plastic but it does work very well and protects the alloy channel from being distorted by the steel peg.
The Woodgrafter You are right. I reviewed Peter Millard's video and that was where I saw it. I got mine from Atlas Tools in Toronto, great firm to deal with but $(Can)25 plus postage.
Hi Edgar, Thank you for the feedback. I think I covered the various components in episode one in the series, but it was a pretty long time ago now. So can’t actually remember. Was there something in particular you where looking for ? Cheers Andy
Great video ,I'm currently d Having to relocate my workshop ,I started of in my single garage last year just using an MFT3 to build cabinets then a chance came along to move into a good size unit very cheap rent so I went for it and invested in a 1.6m sliding panel saw , now sods law I'm loosing the unit space and need to decide if I should change into another unit and higher rent or go back to my garage, I already have a 8ft long mft table that I built so I battling with will this be enough to build my cabinets for wardrobs ,media cabs etc , I've seen the incra fence before but never knew it full uses , your comments of no panel saw required in the workshop have really got me interested , subscribed and looking forward to future vids . 👍
+WT Design & Build Hi, and thank you for your comments and feedback. That is a hard decision you have to make, I imagine it would be hard going back to the smaller space and letting go of the panel saw. If you are used to a panel saw and that is part of your workflow, I think you would find not having it to be painful. The MFT set up with track saw and accuracy is good and can get the job done no doubt - but it will never beat having a dedicated tool that does the job well. Ultimately I guess it depends what the business can afford, and if your workflow can accommodate letting go of the panel Saw but still retain productivity. I still don’t feel the need to get the table saw - but a bandsaw and jointer/planner are most definitely on the list. Good luck with whatever way you go, at the end of the day true quality will still shine through and your customers probably don’t care what you have used :-) Let me know, I am interested in what you decide. Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter thanks Andy will do , my thinking on it changes on a daily basis ,my main work is large site projects where I am the main contractor and supply the joiners , I started the workshop last year as just fancied something different and was basically looking for an excuse to buy a shed load of Festool ,I have Dewalt 54v everything for my site work ..the workshop ended up being really busy last year and I was getting 2 -3 builds out a month ,wardrobes, media storage cabs even under stair pull out projects but since x-mas only 2 builds ,its lucky we've been super busy on our sites as the workshop certainly isn't busy , a ton of enquiries this month but only one firm deposit and install end of next month so as you can see it's a very tricky decision with lots of moving parts ,one things for sure I'm not letting all my festool go !! 😂👍
WT Design & Build I think it takes a while to build up the workshop side of the business, but it sounds like you have a good transition from site to shop. If the business is picking up and you can subsidise from the site business then I think I would be taking on a new shop. As you say lots of moving parts. Cheers Andy
Andy, what you are saying is that I should buy an MFT3 with everything included instead of just another table? Then I would have the ability to have two cut points on each table? I think that should be one of your next videos! Thanks for the great ideas.
+David Troncoso Hi David, that is the solution I want to end up with, twin cutting stations that are quickly accessible and always ready. it would speed things up and give great flexibility. The only issue is that you only really need the guide rail, the back pivot and the front bracket. The protractor and the fence are redundant. So you end up paying for some item you don’t need. If you buy the table with the accessory kit. However, it’s is hard to find the clamps as an add on item - where I have found them they are stupid money, so if you go down the two cutting stations route, then buying the second table with the accessory kit is the most cost effective way. I am going to drop Festool a line and see if you can buy the extra items directly from them. Watch this space,. Not sure if there is video in it, but perhaps looking at the versatility of two MFT’s may be an idea. I’ll think on that. Thanks for the comments. Talk soon. Andy
+David Troncoso Hello again David, just thought this through a bit more. I had a vague memory of some bench dogs that could be used with the Festool rail. Quick search and I found these benchdogs.co.uk/products/festool-guide-rail-dogs In theory, these will negate the need for the clamps, so just use these dogs. Always square to the table, quick and easy to move between stations so only one rail. I have ordered some and will put up a review at some point. So just go for the second MFT and get a set of these. Reviews indicate they will accommodate around 3” or 76mm thick stock, so that will do most jobs. Hope this helps. Cheers Andy
Hi Andy I was very impressed with your setup on the MFT and the router table. I have a UJK router table and MFT and am thinking of getting the Incra system to use on both. The problem is how to fix the Incra positioner onto the rails on the MFT and the UJK table so it can easily be moved between them and maintain the settings and accuracy. Maybe I could fit a length of MFT rail onto the side of the router table (if I can get a piece). How do you fix the positioner onto the rails of the MFT?
Hi I use the Festool Crown Stop AB-KS, drill the crown stop with the correct holes and then I can move the fence around easily from table to table. You can buy the Festool MFT rail, but it is pretty expensive. I have thought about making an L shaped bracket that could bolt into a standard T Bar and then negate the need for the crown stop or the MFT profile. Will probably do something like that on the new table build. Cheers Andy
The Woodgrafter Thanks Andy. I wonder if a pair of Parf Anchor dogs ( or similar) could be fixed to the base of the positioner which would fit two of the holes on the MFT top. A similar idea is on Dennis ( HookedonWood) video about his rather splendid workbench. Alternatively, WWW suggested an adapter plate but this is only available from US as far as I can see ( about £100 plus post & duty from US). In either case I think you would need to fit a Packer under the fence to make up the thickness of the mounting plate so not quite as neat as using the Crown Stop.
Hi, Just popped into the workshop to check that. Sadly the centres in the Incra are at 140mm and the ctrs on the MFT are 96mm so not a fit. You may be able to modify but not something I would look at. Yes the plate looks good, but expensive when you ship. I guess you could make your own version with MDF and then lock down with dogs in some way. Cheers Andy
The Woodgrafter Thanks Andy. Good of you to take the trouble to check this. I am exploring other options and will keep you posted. So far your method with Crown Stop looks the best but I need to find a way to adapt this for the UJK router table.
I am still pretty convinced that a simple L shaped bracket and a standard T track is the easiest solution - unless your table does have the 20mm grid of holes that allows some sort of pate and dig solution. The Festool Profile is expensive and adds no real value over a t track - apart from the ability to use the crown mouldings. Cheers Andy
+Redbud Farm Hi Randy, not a teacher LoL but thank you for the compliment. I just like explaining things. Also I find that If I can explain things then I understand them and the knowledge stays in my head. I am actually an IT director, prior to that an electrical engineer. The Woodgrafter, and all the associated stuff on the channel is building up the retirement business. That will make career change number three. Thanks for watching as always. Talk soon. Andy
Hi Andy. I seem to have lost your reply to my comment. Probably user error. Anyway I was very interested in your comment about maybe not needing a table saw. It’s what I have currently for my TS-LS but it is not at all portable. Can I drop an underslung router into an MFT ? Nice vids by the way 👍
Hi Chris - I don't remember replying to a comment about MFT mounted router or anybody biting on my comments about table saw - so it is probably a RUclips feature. RUclips comments do seem to be a bit hit and miss - with comments vanishing or not allowing a response. Just one of the joys of RUclips I guess. Anyway - yes it is possible to mount a router under the MFT - the usual way is to route out a recess and drop in a plate such as the Incra or Kreg plates - that way you get the benefit of the router lift as well as the clearance plates. However remember that the MFT is only 19mm thick (from memory) so by the time you ave routed at the insert you will probably down to around 12mm or so (depending on your plate). So with a decent sized router in place you will get sag. So you will have to re-enforce the MFT top with some braces around the router plate. But yes it would work. I would be more tempted to go for the CMS VL (the one that attaches to the end of the MFT) and build on the OF module - BUT that is expensive and your are then tied into the Festool routers. I guess it depends on budget and current brand. The Incra & Kreg approach will accept pretty much any router and will be a cheaper option. This FOG has a good debate about this very subject festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/router-w-plate-in-mft/ I think the table saw debate, is one that tends to split opinion, there is no doubt that setting up a dedicated table saw for a quick, repeatable and accurate cut is the way forward. HOWEVER, in my shop - I don't have the space for a dedicated table saw. So i would be going down the CMS TS module route. It takes time to swap out the OF module and set up the TS module. AND I can now get very accurate & repeatable cross and rip cuts using the approach I demonstrated in the video. So I am not convinced I am going to invest in the table saw. Another good FOG debate on this subject festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/does-ts-75-and-mft3-replace-my-table-saw/ IF I ever get to the point where the business supports a larger dedicated shop - then I would most definitely be including a table saw - for the reasons pointed out in the FOG post - but for now, I am sticking with the MFT and Incra. Thanks for the comment, hope this helps.Talk soon. Andy
+Woodwork Tech Hi, No it was wider than the guide rail, it was actually the piece I squared up earlier in the video. There isn’t really a limit on the length as in effect you are slicing off the end (but like a meat slicer). The piece could be narrower than the guide rail, so long as you put a similar size under the rail to keep the rail co-planer to the material you should be in good shape. Of course if you go to narrow, then you would have problems keeping it from sliding on the MFT. Not sure if I hit your question, ping back if required. Cheers Andy
@@woodworktech1436 I bought the KA-UG-R/L Trimming Attachments for use with my MFT/3. They fit ok but it's not perfect. The tightening knob hits the MFT/3 profile preventing a complete grip. However I think drilling an additional hole in the KA-UG-R/L Lug Support (497221) would solve the problem.
+Woodwork Tech Hi, I haven’t used the UG version of the extensions, I have the Kapex MFT extensions and they work well. Great ref fence and great for supporting longer stock. But yes, the UG extensions do fit on the MFT. There is a great FOG discussion about this that has some cool photographs of it in use. festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/kapex-extension-wings-on-mft3/ Worth a look, and looks like a good solution. The two MFT’s are excellent, one of the best moves I made. Hope this helps. Andy
Thank you, I’ve been thinking about this for years, and to now see it is wonderful. I never would have thought to square it that way, brilliant. Thank you!
Thank you,
The Incra really is a great fence.
Andy
Andy, you're an amazingly patient, and detail oriented teacher. Thank you for taking the time to do these very, very instructional videos! These companies should be paying you to do these. I was looking into a system like this, and you sold me on the Incra fence. Great job! Alfonso, From Hollywood, CA.
Oh, and one more thing. May i suggest you doing a video for those of us who own the TS55 and later acquired the TS75 and calibrate it to the existing guide rails with the 55 cut. I did it and wished a video with your teaching methods existed. thanks.
Hi Hollywood CA
Thank you for your kind words, perhaps I should send Festool and Incra a link 😆
The Incra fence is a great addition to the Router and the table saw, but complex for joints but does a good job. Providing you have a way of thicknesing the stock on the through dovetails.
Cheers
Andy
Hello again,
Yes I can see the problem - as the track is configured to a particular saw. So unless the tolerance is amazing between the TS55 and TS75 then that is an interesting problem.
I don’t have a TS75 and am not likely to introduce one into my workflow, unless I build a dedicated CMS table saw at some point (but that is not currently on my list).
So I am not likely to make this video, unless Festool would like to send me a TS75 for review :-)
Cheers
Andy
Fantastic piece of kit and well presented video.
Thank you fr the feedback
Great repeatability using the LS positioner Andy. Exceptional video and looking forward to part 4. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the comment glad you are enjoying the videos.
Cheers
Andy
Can’t find part 4.
My life is now incomplete !!
@@chrisjerome1698 Hi Chris, don't panic my friend part 4 will be released on Tuesday - (12th Feb 19) at 19:00 GMT.
However, we have so much to cover that the 4 part series may well stretch to 5 parts. It seems a shame to come all this way and not show all the basic things it can do on the CMS
Edge jointing
Rebate
Parallel grooves
Box joints
Dove tails
Blind Dove tails
The series is expanding so if you see part 5 of a 4 part series, then you know what has happened :-)
And that's before we even look at,
Double dovetails
Double Double dovetails
Dovetail variations
Part 6 of a 4 part series.....
This could become my magnum opus.....
Talk soon
Andy
Hi, Thank you for watching my video.
Look forward to your feedback.
Cheers
Andy
Awesome! I have been agonizing over buying another MFT3 table. This is great! I also did not know about the crown stop.
+David Troncoso Hi David,
Yes the second MFT has made a huge difference, and the crown stop is super versatile when it comes to connecting things to the MFT.
I have on occasion extended the MFT’s even further using the crown stop and the extensions from the Kapex.
My biggest wish now is to by a second guide rail and set of brackets so I can have a second cross cut station set up and ready to go. I find myself moving between both tables as I break down larger stock.
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Cheers
Andy
For larger cutting applications and still while retaining portability, you might consider building yourself a "Ron Paulk" style bench using the Parf Guide System to drill near-CNC accurate 20mm dog holes. Ron's original bench was 4' x 8' but he also designed a compact version roughly 3' x 6'. Both versions incorporated a router plate and supports for a portable table saw. I have 2 MFT's but I readily admit the larger Paulk bench offers real advantages, especially for larger work.
+Welsh Rabbit
Hi, yes I am familiar with that bench, it’s indeed awesome. I also remember Jay Bates building something similar (based on Ron’s design).
I also long for something longer than the two MFT, so am thinking in terms of a long run down the side of the workshop, under storage and the ability to drop in the CMS modules. Probably just over 3000mm long and around 700mm wide. Series of holes as you say, but also some sort of leg vice for hand tool work.
One day I will make a start - but just so much to do at the moment.
Thank you for the feedback
Andy
I have a Incra TwinLinear, which is the forerunner to the incra Wonder Fence mounted to my MFT and it works great when I want to use it.
Had a comment from Matt, but it seems to have vanished.
Hi Matt, yes love the two MFT tables and the Incra fence adds huge value and versatility.
Your setup sounds really simple and accurate, what I can’t visualise is how you allow for the distance between the dogs.
Yes the fence dogs look really good. Craig also got in touch about them - I agree they are a better way to go than the Festool fence clamps, so will be ordering soon.
Talk soon
Andy
Another excellent video. Not sure if I understand the above point about the fence dogs. Would you be able to explain, please?
+C B Hi C B,
There is a third party accessory that fits into the 20mm holes in the MFT. They are pretty tall and have a slot towards the top.
You can then use a screw to connect the Festool MFT fence to the fence dogs.
Then you simply put the fence dogs into the MFT holes - and hey presto perfectly square fence to the MFT.
It can also be taken off and repositioned in at sequence of holes - so you could also set it on the diagonal and have 45 degree fence to your track rail.
Very quick, very simple and very accurate.
You can see a set here benchdogs.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/fence-dogs
Currently I use the Festool fence clamps to position the fence onto the back of the MFT. But it is limited as it can only be in the one position AND it has play in it, so I always have to check and re-check for square.
Hope this helps.
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter Thank you very much for your very clear reply, explanation. Much appreciated.
Hi C B, you are welcome, glad I could help.
Thanks for taking the time to do this. There must be a better squaring / measuring solution out there for peeps who don’t have a cms to justify this kit?
+ChinskiChat
Hi, yes - I would be looking at an MFT type table (either puschased from Festool, or made in the shop using a third party MFT replacement top) and the Benchdog series of kit.
Have a look at my last video - updating the Festool MFT 3. I show how I can get saure repeatable cuts by some simple modifications.
Kind Regards
Andy
To take out the small slop in the front bracket of the MFT you can get a small Delrin insert from Canada which, although ridiculously expensive, ensures the front end of the guide rail locks in precisely every time
Hi,
Yes have seen that - quick simple solution, but as you say expensive in the UK with P&P.
I think there is a version in the UK, Peter reviewed it some months ago over on the ten min workshop.
Cheers
A
The Woodgrafter it was expensive. About £20 I recall. A lot for a tiny piece of plastic but it does work very well and protects the alloy channel from being distorted by the steel peg.
The Woodgrafter You are right. I reviewed Peter Millard's video and that was where I saw it. I got mine from Atlas Tools in Toronto, great firm to deal with but $(Can)25 plus postage.
What a great video...!!! thank you very much..!!! (I wish you would've place a purchasing list of the "tools" instruments though)
Hi Edgar,
Thank you for the feedback.
I think I covered the various components in episode one in the series, but it was a pretty long time ago now. So can’t actually remember.
Was there something in particular you where looking for ?
Cheers
Andy
Great video ,I'm currently d
Having to relocate my workshop ,I started of in my single garage last year just using an MFT3 to build cabinets then a chance came along to move into a good size unit very cheap rent so I went for it and invested in a 1.6m sliding panel saw , now sods law I'm loosing the unit space and need to decide if I should change into another unit and higher rent or go back to my garage, I already have a 8ft long mft table that I built so I battling with will this be enough to build my cabinets for wardrobs ,media cabs etc , I've seen the incra fence before but never knew it full uses , your comments of no panel saw required in the workshop have really got me interested , subscribed and looking forward to future vids . 👍
+WT Design & Build
Hi, and thank you for your comments and feedback.
That is a hard decision you have to make, I imagine it would be hard going back to the smaller space and letting go of the panel saw.
If you are used to a panel saw and that is part of your workflow, I think you would find not having it to be painful. The MFT set up with track saw and accuracy is good and can get the job done no doubt - but it will never beat having a dedicated tool that does the job well.
Ultimately I guess it depends what the business can afford, and if your workflow can accommodate letting go of the panel
Saw but still retain productivity.
I still don’t feel the need to get the table saw - but a bandsaw and jointer/planner are most definitely on the list.
Good luck with whatever way you go, at the end of the day true quality will still shine through and your customers probably don’t care what you have used :-)
Let me know, I am interested in what you decide.
Andy
@@TheWoodgrafter thanks Andy will do , my thinking on it changes on a daily basis ,my main work is large site projects where I am the main contractor and supply the joiners , I started the workshop last year as just fancied something different and was basically looking for an excuse to buy a shed load of Festool ,I have Dewalt 54v everything for my site work ..the workshop ended up being really busy last year and I was getting 2 -3 builds out a month ,wardrobes, media storage cabs even under stair pull out projects but since x-mas only 2 builds ,its lucky we've been super busy on our sites as the workshop certainly isn't busy , a ton of enquiries this month but only one firm deposit and install end of next month so as you can see it's a very tricky decision with lots of moving parts ,one things for sure I'm not letting all my festool go !! 😂👍
WT Design & Build
I think it takes a while to build up the workshop side of the business, but it sounds like you have a good transition from site to shop.
If the business is picking up and you can subsidise from the site business then I think I would be taking on a new shop.
As you say lots of moving parts.
Cheers
Andy
Very impressive 👍
Thank you for the feedback.
Cheers
Andy
Andy, what you are saying is that I should buy an MFT3 with everything included instead of just another table?
Then I would have the ability to have two cut points on each table? I think that should be one of your next videos!
Thanks for the great ideas.
+David Troncoso Hi David, that is the solution I want to end up with, twin cutting stations that are quickly accessible and always ready. it would speed things up and give great flexibility.
The only issue is that you only really need the guide rail, the back pivot and the front bracket. The protractor and the fence are redundant.
So you end up paying for some item you don’t need. If you buy the table with the accessory kit. However, it’s is hard to find the clamps as an add on item - where I have found them they are stupid money, so if you go down the two cutting stations route, then buying the second table with the accessory kit is the most cost effective way.
I am going to drop Festool a line and see if you can buy the extra items directly from them. Watch this space,.
Not sure if there is video in it, but perhaps looking at the versatility of two MFT’s may be an idea. I’ll think on that.
Thanks for the comments.
Talk soon.
Andy
+David Troncoso Hello again David, just thought this through a bit more. I had a vague memory of some bench dogs that could be used with the Festool rail.
Quick search and I found these benchdogs.co.uk/products/festool-guide-rail-dogs
In theory, these will negate the need for the clamps, so just use these dogs. Always square to the table, quick and easy to move between stations so only one rail.
I have ordered some and will put up a review at some point.
So just go for the second MFT and get a set of these. Reviews indicate they will accommodate around 3” or 76mm thick stock, so that will do most jobs.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Andy
Hi Andy I was very impressed with your setup on the MFT and the router table. I have a UJK router table and MFT and am thinking of getting the Incra system to use on both. The problem is how to fix the Incra positioner onto the rails on the MFT and the UJK table so it can easily be moved between them and maintain the settings and accuracy. Maybe I could fit a length of MFT rail onto the side of the router table (if I can get a piece). How do you fix the positioner onto the rails of the MFT?
Hi
I use the Festool Crown Stop AB-KS, drill the crown stop with the correct holes and then I can move the fence around easily from table to table.
You can buy the Festool MFT rail, but it is pretty expensive.
I have thought about making an L shaped bracket that could bolt into a standard T Bar and then negate the need for the crown stop or the MFT profile.
Will probably do something like that on the new table build.
Cheers
Andy
The Woodgrafter Thanks Andy. I wonder if a pair of Parf Anchor dogs ( or similar) could be fixed to the base of the positioner which would fit two of the holes on the MFT top. A similar idea is on Dennis ( HookedonWood) video about his rather splendid workbench. Alternatively, WWW suggested an adapter plate but this is only available from US as far as I can see ( about £100 plus post & duty from US). In either case I think you would need to fit a Packer under the fence to make up the thickness of the mounting plate so not quite as neat as using the Crown Stop.
Hi,
Just popped into the workshop to check that.
Sadly the centres in the Incra are at 140mm and the ctrs on the MFT are 96mm so not a fit.
You may be able to modify but not something I would look at.
Yes the plate looks good, but expensive when you ship. I guess you could make your own version with MDF and then lock down with dogs in some way.
Cheers
Andy
The Woodgrafter Thanks Andy. Good of you to take the trouble to check this. I am exploring other options and will keep you posted. So far your method with Crown Stop looks the best but I need to find a way to adapt this for the UJK router table.
I am still pretty convinced that a simple L shaped bracket and a standard T track is the easiest solution - unless your table does have the 20mm grid of holes that allows some sort of pate and dig solution.
The Festool Profile is expensive and adds no real value over a t track - apart from the ability to use the crown mouldings.
Cheers
Andy
What are you using to attach the LS to the MFT?
Nice work Andy. Were you a teacher in a prior life? You do a great job explaining things! Randy
+Redbud Farm Hi Randy, not a teacher LoL but thank you for the compliment.
I just like explaining things. Also I find that If I can explain things then I understand them and the knowledge stays in my head.
I am actually an IT director, prior to that an electrical engineer. The Woodgrafter, and all the associated stuff on the channel is building up the retirement business. That will make career change number three.
Thanks for watching as always.
Talk soon.
Andy
Hi Andy.
I seem to have lost your reply to my comment. Probably user error.
Anyway I was very interested in your comment about maybe not needing a table saw.
It’s what I have currently for my TS-LS but it is not at all portable.
Can I drop an underslung router into an MFT ?
Nice vids by the way 👍
Hi Chris - I don't remember replying to a comment about MFT mounted router or anybody biting on my comments about table saw - so it is probably a RUclips feature.
RUclips comments do seem to be a bit hit and miss - with comments vanishing or not allowing a response. Just one of the joys of RUclips I guess.
Anyway - yes it is possible to mount a router under the MFT - the usual way is to route out a recess and drop in a plate such as the Incra or Kreg plates - that way you get the benefit of the router lift as well as the clearance plates. However remember that the MFT is only 19mm thick (from memory) so by the time you ave routed at the insert you will probably down to around 12mm or so (depending on your plate). So with a decent sized router in place you will get sag. So you will have to re-enforce the MFT top with some braces around the router plate. But yes it would work.
I would be more tempted to go for the CMS VL (the one that attaches to the end of the MFT) and build on the OF module - BUT that is expensive and your are then tied into the Festool routers. I guess it depends on budget and current brand. The Incra & Kreg approach will accept pretty much any router and will be a cheaper option.
This FOG has a good debate about this very subject festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/router-w-plate-in-mft/
I think the table saw debate, is one that tends to split opinion, there is no doubt that setting up a dedicated table saw for a quick, repeatable and accurate cut is the way forward. HOWEVER, in my shop - I don't have the space for a dedicated table saw. So i would be going down the CMS TS module route. It takes time to swap out the OF module and set up the TS module. AND I can now get very accurate & repeatable cross and rip cuts using the approach I demonstrated in the video. So I am not convinced I am going to invest in the table saw.
Another good FOG debate on this subject festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/does-ts-75-and-mft3-replace-my-table-saw/
IF I ever get to the point where the business supports a larger dedicated shop - then I would most definitely be including a table saw - for the reasons pointed out in the FOG post - but for now, I am sticking with the MFT and Incra.
Thanks for the comment, hope this helps.Talk soon.
Andy
For the small cuts, was your piece smaller than the guide rail?
+Woodwork Tech Hi,
No it was wider than the guide rail, it was actually the piece I squared up earlier in the video. There isn’t really a limit on the length as in effect you are slicing off the end (but like a meat slicer).
The piece could be narrower than the guide rail, so long as you put a similar size under the rail to keep the rail co-planer to the material you should be in good shape.
Of course if you go to narrow, then you would have problems keeping it from sliding on the MFT.
Not sure if I hit your question, ping back if required.
Cheers
Andy
The Woodgrafter thanks. I’m thinking of purchasing two full MFT/3’s. Have you tried the UG Kapex extensions on the MFT/3?
@@woodworktech1436 I bought the KA-UG-R/L Trimming Attachments for use with my MFT/3. They fit ok but it's not perfect. The tightening knob hits the MFT/3 profile preventing a complete grip. However I think drilling an additional hole in the KA-UG-R/L Lug Support (497221) would solve the problem.
+Woodwork Tech Hi,
I haven’t used the UG version of the extensions, I have the Kapex MFT extensions and they work well.
Great ref fence and great for supporting longer stock.
But yes, the UG extensions do fit on the MFT. There is a great FOG discussion about this that has some cool photographs of it in use.
festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/kapex-extension-wings-on-mft3/
Worth a look, and looks like a good solution.
The two MFT’s are excellent, one of the best moves I made.
Hope this helps.
Andy
+ShortWorx That’s great advice, thank you for sharing.
Kind Regards
Andy