i’d love to see a taylor showcase since there are so few of them, and they were all pre-buff p.s. ty for grinding so hard, idk how you’re so consistent with this stuff but consider it greatly appreciated
im playing for a month. just wanted to say that you have the best content. thanks for everything. (also i just 6stared laura the other day.. WHAT A BEAST)
Great list, Daddy, and the explanations as always are straight to the point and clear. I most def would like to see a Lu Yi review in detail or a video at least show casing him and maybe some other less talked about Espers (like 3 mini-reviews in one vid). Looking forward to more content!
Celine paired with single target nukers like Lewis and Sander have pushed me through a lot of content I will say. Celine is kind of "slept" on if ya ask me. It's okay to laugh.
May I suggest to also have ranking the espers per tier. Because that's the way I see other people making their tier list. Like the leftmost is the most strongest/preferable esper and rightmost is least for that specific tier. Just something to consider. Very informative vid nonetheless note: tier list like in general. Not just youtubers making dislyte content.
Appreciate the content as always. If I can make a suggestion, I would think that most of your regular viewers already have access to abundant information like RM farm teams, fodder farmers etc, and have made it to the mid/end game content such as cube 8/holo battle. Would you consider moving towards more content such as holobattle/pvp meta, common meta defence teams and how to counter them, offense team comp strategies etc. would be nice to see as there’s not much content out there beyond beginner stuff. Cheers
ty for all the effort u put into your videos, they are always super helpful and have been helping me a lot on making decisions and i must say, sir ur voice is really chill and relaxing lol haha anyways, ty again c:
Taylor is my favorite for cube 8 right now. Get the runes for follow up attacks, increase strength of attacks, healing for damage done, reversal just in case he does die and upgrade it so he won't, etc. There's a lot of really good upgrades for him in there.
@@RelaxAndRawr Ollie, Clara, Gab, and then I kinda switch out the last one depending. I've used loki, sally, ren si, and lucas mostly. Ren Si is nice because he scales well in cube and he can inflict defense down right before Taylor hits.
You will feel this way in the early game but as your team gets stronger she's entirely replaceable. In most situations she's viable in the speed cleave meta but holds nothing to heals from changpu or ap pushing like dhalia/clara/unas/maybe even catherine
I absolutely love Taylor, he was my fave esper design and I was sad that he wasn't super useful but his buff feels super good. He's been helping me on pvp and deals with Hyde very well!
@@RapidVipercdog it would be nice, but at the very least for me, if hyde's stacks aren't too high then taylor usually just punches him and kills him anyway
would say u are under estimating asneath tbh ap push + 50% DR is quite impactful when your enemy matchup is super single target heavy and with ocean waves and her innate ap gain when a mark is consumed she can both get her dr back up quite often and heal quite a bit also she was my only real healer for quite some hard pve runs in purgatory and tower
Lemme just put pvp aside since whoever moves first wins regardless of kit. And in tanky meta her marks don't do much. Now for pve yes I did use her a lot at the start. I'm simply finding much less reasons to use her when she's not THAT good of a healer. She is weaker in healing than chang pu. Her s3 is useful when used at the effect timing but chances are the marks are going to be wasted in the tower. It doesn't really matter that much that she gains another turn if she's only going to heal for a bit or dispell buffs. She's useful for kronos and apep though - only because you cannot sustain the run and require every support you can get your hands on. I am 100% positive that your kronos/apep might be 3-4 minutes long? You will quickly outgrow her and find that she has no place in your teams aside from being an ap pusher in pvp
Hey daddy f2p, love the tierlidt and explanation Could you maybe do a showcase on the twins? (if you have them build ofcourse) I've been willing to see the mindset that goes behind using them
Taylor the fodder farmer, huh? Taylor fodder farmer showcase soon? I 60'd mine as you already know and he has insane stats, but im assuming you need hades relic set rather than my war machine. I do need a good fodder farmer as I havent exactly built one.
The twins dependance on eachother is a negative not a positive, they also kinda rely on too many stats to function extremely well, like how they need HP to keep applying debuffs, they need atk to deal damage since you may end up removing a damage dealer or 2 to add them to the team, they also need accuracy for all the debuffs, they also need speed to go before the rest of the team, I think it's too tall of an order to ask. They also take up 2 slots that could potentially be used for 2 individual units that do more or better things than what they bring, I actually think the twins are too gimmicky to work better than 2 independent units.
Man i love this game and channel but i looked at my time spent on apps recently and i spend way too much time on it, so this is sadly goodbye, your awesome tho
Nice video and good breakdown of espers, however too many S tier espers and not enough distinction between them, need to be solid reasons for their placements and why they are ranking higher than others.
My favorite epic is Jacob! Cause the snake is so cute 🤩 And it's so true about the twins!! I'm waiting for the red twin to come home so I could build them both 😂
IMO, u can put the RED twins in the A/B tier and WHITE one in C/B tier. The reason is that the RED one can still provide Def Break and Sear debuffs by himself. Those two debuffs are pretty much relevant everywhere and he can reliably land those debuffs without the need to use him together with his White brother counterpart. The WHITE twins on the other hand, is kinda tricky to use alone without his brother. His kit is OKAY and i think the devs probably want to geared him toward PVP contents, judging from his kit, but i still find him lackluster in many ways. Still, great vid anyways. Thank you for your insight as always!
You're not wrong. I'll need to do some more tests if the black twin dps suffers a lot though. Cause that might result in a lower overall proc chance too
i think anesidora should be S tier, the amount of utility with speed buff and stuns as well as the damage she does makes her irreplaceable in most pve content.
totally agree. she doesnt build any damage and still has around 70% dmg in those higher level fights. Shes tanky, gives speed, stuns and has insane damage. Its crazy how overlooked she is
I would put her s tier strictly for cube/temporal. But because she falls short in rituals and pvp I don't really think that's fair for a general tier list
Quick suggestion: In next tier list add tier "special" where you could put espers which are only good in one specific thing (for example jacob as an poison counter pick). This won't mislead people about their overall performance and strenght.
I have a question if you don't mind When talking about Pritz and Long Miam I thought wind walker was best on them, especially pritz since he has a passive for his s2 that can't be affected by the cooldown reduce from ocean waves and wind walker might let him lap the enemy to make his passive work more. Is there a reason you usually recommend ocean waves over wind walker? Also when you recommend ocean wave sets are you assuming they will have good speed on sub stats and then you'll have speed main on your spade piece? I only ask because I've found Long Miam going first to be very important and then I usually can win off that. But I am newer to harder things like temporal tower. I'm guessing some of the preference to ocean waves could be because there's some content later like later cube stages that have enemies with over 240 speed I'm not saying you are wrong or anything I just want to understand the best ways to utilize ocean waves and why you love it so much Also I am excited to try new sets like ocean waves, especially since I can multibattle apep 10 now consistently
being able to use their 2nd and 3rd skills frequently is important to their gameplay, and you can remedy the speed loss by using ap pushers like dhalia or clara. If your long mian/pritzker is 1 speed below your ap pusher, you're wasting a bunch of ap that could be gained
Hey nothing wrong with asking questions man relax. So yes Speed is always a priority even with Ocean Waves. Now unless you need the turn advantage, Ocean Waves is usually more powerful. Imagine having 200 speed on wind walker but with the same relic quality you might only have 175 speed on Ocean Waves. But what we can do is multiply 175 by 1.35 due to "gaining turns" from Ocean Waves procs which gives us 236.25 "true speed" which is far superior to wind walker for stages that run longer like Cube/Temporal Tower or even tanky PVP. You made a good argument that Pritzker only has one cd skill. But do also take note his S3 is extremely broken and he is only useful when his S3 is up again. With a CD of 3 turns, it is more than likely you can proc his S3 every other turn. Long Mian works the same
I'm gonna be real, I heavily invested into Falken because a lot of people left glowing reviews of him on the app. After investing into him, I feel like I can sorta see where they're coming from, but by no means does he feel as gamechanging as the reviews let on. I have him fully ascended with all 6* relics maxxed, and he feels... alright. For a while I wondered if I had just built him wrong and that's kinda why I am here now. Do you have any recommendations for relics and sets for him? Or did I just leave myself up a creek after all this time?
Oof never trust the in game reviews! If you'd like I think he can still work as a fodder farmer with hades/master Grove with cdmg, hp, hp. Very slow but safe.
I have a question to ask... Do you plan on making a video about Narmer - build, places he could really shine and most importantly the buffers that synergize well with him for a nuke?
hey daddy i just got 2 dupes taylor, should i prioritize him or stewart? im targetting better time in kronos/apep and holo/point as i lack a nuker. hope you can give an opinion
Are there any tips for keeping Taylor alive? I've been trying to get taylor to work for me but anytime I use this man he dies instantly in everything BUT practice stages immediately if anything lives. in pvp, tower, cube, anything else if I'm not running like Nicole + healer + another invincible casting unit that man just drops like a fly after his initial hit and the shield from his s1 gets deleted instantly.
It's the same as how you keep your other dps espers alive. You may need to use suhua to preempt his s3 so he don't lose hp for temporal/Cube or you can go with fabrice. Because he cuts his own hp he is tricky to play with
Hey DF2P, nice video, good content as well. I do disagree with some picks, if you may: You said that because Jacob makes Apep so easy, he deserves the A. That's very specific to me. I get that he makes Apep much easier, but one can simple skip Jacob against Apep and once you have an A10 team going, you will absolutely never going back for Jacob as he has no other use in the game. For that reason I think he should be B or C. Ren Si is much more useful than Jacob overall, specially on point and holo, and he can also nearly solo K10 and A10 (given, he needs high-end relics to do so, but regardless). Yet you scored him below Jacob and Jiang Man, both espers that have a single use in the entire game. He's also a very important unit for tank comps so he's a meta PvP unit. He should be an easy A. Jiang Man is yet another niche pick. She has almost the very same role as Mona but Mona is C and she is A. I get that she's easier to build and can potentially be useful on Cube, but let's be honest: Cube is the last thing you consider when upgrading an esper. These two factors are weak arguments for putting Jiang 2 tiers above Mona. They both should be in the same tier as both perform the very same roles in different ways: Mona as a faster farmer and Jiang Man as an easier-to-buid farmer. Djoser is just an absolute dogshit. You slapped him in C tier because you can solo A10 with him. I mean, cool, he can solo A10, but he needs high-end relics and in this scenario Ren Si can do the same. Hades can also easily solo A10, so if you have him, Djoser just brings nothing to the table. Will someone build Djoser for this? Probably no, right? What else he can be used for? Nothing. Easy D tier as he is just outshined by Ren Si in the only place he can be useful. I feel like Lynn is much more useful than Djoser since she's actually good against the hardest boss in the game but she's D and Djoser is C. They should be swapped. Let me know if I'm tripping. Keep up the good work!
Ok lemme reply 1 by 1. Till this date I still use Jacob for my 40 second team. He's almost essential for me to yolo. I placed him A even with his niche because Apep is IMO the most important ritual dungeon and its a necessity at this point
Rensi: jiangman has more use than fodder farming. I explained it. In fact jiang man is used in Cube, holo, fodder farming and my auto temporal tower lineup. I think rensi could go higher one tier but that's about it
@@DaddyF2P Thanks for the insightful replies! I agree with Jiang Man having uses elsewhere. I've done some research on her, also seen a few on holos as well. I was wrong when I said Jiang has a single use in the game. To be honest I don't have a good Jiang Man so I'm bit on the fence in this one. I didn't like her much in A tier because Immunity and Cleanse completely ruins her entire kit and to me units that rely so much on having (or not) specific conditions to work are a bit difficult to use sometimes, pushing them a little bit to niche uses. I know Immunity and Cleanse destroys most control espers as well but their effects are not usually over time (I'm thinking a stun or pushback) so it's a lot easier to get value out of them. But I'm taking your word in this one: Jiang A tier. Jacob: ok very good point, that's fair. Ren Si: I think A tier is very fitting for him. Not S tier for sure! Lynn: also good point you made on the video, but I still feel like she's more useful than D. I understand the last tier to be the 'avoid these units because they either have very limited uses or are completely outshined by others' tier. Everything you said about Lynn and Faf is true, but some players will have a really hard time beating Faf10 and they could use a Lynn, specially since she's f2p. I'm thinking on clueless players that see the tierlist and go 'ok so apparently Lynn is garbage so I won't even bother' but she's actually useful. And man, thanks for such polited responses and not being salty about criticisms. I tried not to sound too harsh because I'm not here to shit on you, right. Sorry if I sounded rude, didn't meant to... just trying to bring another perspective! Keep up DF2P, you quickly became my fav Dislyte content creator as your insights are deep, you seem to always have something to add.
I dont think falken is that low. For early game, rune it with zeus and apollo's bow, just stack hp and accu on it and it does so much for the team in cube/tower/map clearing. The atk break that comes from s3 plus the fact that he can taunt anyone that attacks his teammates easily is so useful. When runed with crit damage, he could be a really good farmer as he just use s3 once and it would just recover and spam s3 all the way as he gets attacked.
@@DaddyF2P i have him on zeus lmao. Its not so hard to get zeus. You dont even need a specific hp% early game. Just run it with any zeus set even if it has bad subs or main stat when you cant get the right main stat.
The moment i got falken, i already knew hes going to be amazing with zeus. Just farm l1-l3 fafnir which is very easy to accomplish even with mediocre heroes, get a full set of zeus, find a spd spade relic of any kind and you're good to go.
I guess being a summoners war player, i know how good despair runes work on things with aoe crowd control/ debuff so I find ways to find the right relics for them asap. I am really surprised even the game doesnt say that triki works so good on zeus/avatara and ends up just suggesting wind walker instead like, man loki on zeus works so well he counterattacks and stuns even without passing the debuff.
thanks for this but sigh* relics are so rare to obtain with decent stats even farming k10 and apep10 gives 4* relics and elite ones most of the time for 5*
Asenath is more similar to clara but not the same as sally. Asenath is a great starter choice for k10 but if that's settled she's only useful in speed cleave, not tanky pvp unlike clara
Taylor is a machine but if you kill otherwise he gets one shot aswell. mine on OW and he deals easy 70k 3 skill if att buf on him and oponents have Def break also 1 skill deals afther constants 40k damage. Amazing to be used as a last unit in pvp afther aoe nuker (Narmer for ex) If you don't have Hades don't use him as a farmer xD I've lost to a single dark elf (the one that conters wen dies) just because he first turn used 3 skill reducing his hp to 1 lol also the same happens if he has a poison xDD Also I'm sad to tell sometimes his passive fails to give him another turn (I have a vid showing that) and the "anti revive" is only for active skill not passives. He can "kill" Hyde first live but he ressurects anyway and olie passive also conters him.
Wait, his extra turn passive fails to proc sometimes? I gotta test this. o_O I do get the Anti-revive thing. He'll always be low key awful at the thing he's supposed to be good at since the characters that are the most annoying to deal with, all circumvent his passive by having abilities that stop a character from "Dying" altogether. Sad times.
@@ScarBebop there is no way for me to tell you "wen it fails" but happened ready to me in pvp and in Cube miracle (my record is on cube) . The game has a few bugs haha my profile I've finish infite tower and it says I only have finish it until 99 with temporal made until 39. Another bug is Jacob still has "two" elements lol check yours he's wind and flow.
Thanks as always for the videos. Nice and polished opening title. Do you know where you got the info for the summon rates between Asenath and Clara? I've heard people complaining that summoning rates were misleading or that the devs were being shady, but are the rates all advertised for the espers and we just didn't look properly?
They changed his passive again from letting his allies counter to now himself countering with just a 60% chance. They nerfed him from before when he could counter every hit lolol
I would put twins on B tier Reason: Lately I built both of the twins and honestly their 2nd skill brings so much to the table (when pair togheter). Xie Chuyi has ideal kit for kronos (elemental advantage, sear, guaranteed def reduction and speed down) and In my opinion that's the only stage where he is valuable without his brother, when Xie Chuyi is on team alongside his brother, his damage potential increase drastically. On the other hand Xie Yuzhi is absolutely useless without his brother. Very inconsistant, lower base speed in comparison to many controllers and very easy to counter. When paired with Xie Chuyi he is just good beacuse of his 2nd skill which became much more consistant. Imo he lacks single target buff dispell to be on par with other controllers. The thing how much dependent are they of each others makes things difficult especially in team bulding. Also u lost two slots of captain buff which has only usage on ritual and wave miracle.
Well I have doubts about that there's no tier 17 or 18 lol. Aside from that she's good in a speed cleave pvp team but that's about it. In a tanky team she doesn't cope
Needed a break from ml, glad to find an upload Edit:love my Chloe, dahlia, Fabrice,Jian Mian, someone teach me how to use Lin Xiao,I've never considered using ocean waves on long mian..I'll build him a set, I want pritzker and sander and Stewart
Hi bro, I’m from Singapore as well. Tried to message you but can’t seem to find a option for it. Just wanted to see if you are free to review my account and see if you can optimise it? Currently able to do K10, A9, F8 and spatial tower 87. 1 month+ old account if I am not wrong. Not entirely F2P, buy afew stamina pack to farm. Haha.
Hey bros. I am currently full on my list of people pending acc takeovers. I wish I had more time but I'm part of the problem as well cause I haven't been clearing them lately kek
How do I report an esper for grieving, spamming and harassment? This F tier Arcana keeps spamming me in game and now I am just 1 copy away from his full reso……..
@@DaddyF2P hahaha no I don’t want anymore copy of him!!! Btw, I just tested the twins. My white twin died, and my red twin still does the additional 2 hits on his S2. Seems like their unique synergy works as long as they start the battle together, instead of requiring both to be alive at the same time.
Hey Bro!!! 👐🤗👐 I have a recommendation, these videos could be better by showing gameplay of them. Also which units work best as a team synergy for ritual miracle bosses. 🙂 I believe that would bring a lot more views to your channel. 🤗
Man is carrying the entire DISLYTE community on his Back.... Surprised the game devs not giving him 10000 gems
i’d love to see a taylor showcase since there are so few of them, and they were all pre-buff
p.s. ty for grinding so hard, idk how you’re so consistent with this stuff but consider it greatly appreciated
im playing for a month. just wanted to say that you have the best content. thanks for everything. (also i just 6stared laura the other day.. WHAT A BEAST)
Great list, Daddy, and the explanations as always are straight to the point and clear. I most def would like to see a Lu Yi review in detail or a video at least show casing him and maybe some other less talked about Espers (like 3 mini-reviews in one vid).
Looking forward to more content!
I covered lu yi! But I think I need to redo that video again
Thank you for acknowledging Long Mian. He got me through Spatial and TT until hax TT 40. I use him everywhere that is difficult.
Celine paired with single target nukers like Lewis and Sander have pushed me through a lot of content I will say. Celine is kind of "slept" on if ya ask me.
It's okay to laugh.
May I suggest to also have ranking the espers per tier. Because that's the way I see other people making their tier list. Like the leftmost is the most strongest/preferable esper and rightmost is least for that specific tier. Just something to consider. Very informative vid nonetheless
note: tier list like in general. Not just youtubers making dislyte content.
Good tip thanks
Sounds interesting,tho you'd have to specify good for what like for PvE or pvp or tower...you get the jist
Thanks for the video! I was building my pritzker with wind walker but ill test your fav set ocean waves now.
You’re my favorite Dislyte content creator. Thank you for all of your helpful content!
Appreciate the content as always. If I can make a suggestion, I would think that most of your regular viewers already have access to abundant information like RM farm teams, fodder farmers etc, and have made it to the mid/end game content such as cube 8/holo battle. Would you consider moving towards more content such as holobattle/pvp meta, common meta defence teams and how to counter them, offense team comp strategies etc. would be nice to see as there’s not much content out there beyond beginner stuff. Cheers
I definitely would like to. Maybe as supplementary content.
ty for all the effort u put into your videos, they are always super helpful and have been helping me a lot on making decisions
and i must say, sir ur voice is really chill and relaxing lol haha
anyways, ty again c:
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Taylor is my favorite for cube 8 right now. Get the runes for follow up attacks, increase strength of attacks, healing for damage done, reversal just in case he does die and upgrade it so he won't, etc. There's a lot of really good upgrades for him in there.
Interesting. I just got him. What is your recommended rune set? Standard war machine dps until you can get thor?
@@RelaxAndRawr I had him on Hades until I got a good Thor set but I think War Machine is the better option.
@@RapidVipercdog what team comp are you using to support him? Ollie and some healers/buffers? Long mian?
@@RelaxAndRawr Ollie, Clara, Gab, and then I kinda switch out the last one depending. I've used loki, sally, ren si, and lucas mostly. Ren Si is nice because he scales well in cube and he can inflict defense down right before Taylor hits.
Thanks for this.
Just got a 3rd Stewart and a Taylor, good to know they might be worth building.
I'll make a Taylor video soon! After I'm done testing aurelius
@@DaddyF2P Thanks.
I feel like Asenath should be at least A tier she's very good anywhere and a decent healer and her ult is just amazing
You will feel this way in the early game but as your team gets stronger she's entirely replaceable. In most situations she's viable in the speed cleave meta but holds nothing to heals from changpu or ap pushing like dhalia/clara/unas/maybe even catherine
As for the lotus mark, it needs to be timed perfectly or its wasted. Its great for Kronos though, I'll say that. That's why she's B and not C or below
Can you do a showcase about Laura? I've maxed her abilities and don't find her useful compare to Berenice 🤔
Same question
u bring berenice and her both in a team
Hearing the the stats you gave in that Asenath part made me feel lucky (I got Clara once and Asenath twice)
I absolutely love Taylor, he was my fave esper design and I was sad that he wasn't super useful but his buff feels super good. He's been helping me on pvp and deals with Hyde very well!
He definitely helps. I just wish he stopped Hyde from respawning at all. As it is now he just gets an extra attack afterwards.
@@RapidVipercdog it would be nice, but at the very least for me, if hyde's stacks aren't too high then taylor usually just punches him and kills him anyway
hmm guess i'm sleeping on pritzker, got him like 4 times and resonated him, but never built him so i'm definitely going to right now, thanks!
I finish purgatory and temporal 39 bec of him
He stuns, doesn't need too much accuracy and if he stuns, he delays the the ability cooldown by one turn, he's broken af. I use him wherever I can.
would say u are under estimating asneath tbh
ap push + 50% DR is quite impactful when your enemy matchup is super single target heavy and with ocean waves and her innate ap gain when a mark is consumed she can both get her dr back up quite often and heal quite a bit also
she was my only real healer for quite some hard pve runs in purgatory and tower
Lemme just put pvp aside since whoever moves first wins regardless of kit. And in tanky meta her marks don't do much.
Now for pve yes I did use her a lot at the start. I'm simply finding much less reasons to use her when she's not THAT good of a healer. She is weaker in healing than chang pu. Her s3 is useful when used at the effect timing but chances are the marks are going to be wasted in the tower. It doesn't really matter that much that she gains another turn if she's only going to heal for a bit or dispell buffs.
She's useful for kronos and apep though - only because you cannot sustain the run and require every support you can get your hands on. I am 100% positive that your kronos/apep might be 3-4 minutes long? You will quickly outgrow her and find that she has no place in your teams aside from being an ap pusher in pvp
My Taylor been level 1 since i got him, hope he really good now :)
Hey daddy f2p, love the tierlidt and explanation
Could you maybe do a showcase on the twins? (if you have them build ofcourse)
I've been willing to see the mindset that goes behind using them
Taylor the fodder farmer, huh? Taylor fodder farmer showcase soon? I 60'd mine as you already know and he has insane stats, but im assuming you need hades relic set rather than my war machine. I do need a good fodder farmer as I havent exactly built one.
Build Jiang for a farmer. She's crazy good and her clear rate is crazy
@@razielkadmon547 Dont have her unfortunately
Actually for Taylor I reckon he can go war machine. He doesn't need to heal if he has a shield and he doesn't need to heal when the enemies are dead
@@DaddyF2P I thought the same, but even at 4k attack and 320% crit damage his s1 doesn't guarantee a kill up to like purg chap 6 or 7
@@DaddyF2P Shield doesn't give quite enough extra hp to guarantee his survival
omg your videos keep getting better.
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The twins dependance on eachother is a negative not a positive, they also kinda rely on too many stats to function extremely well, like how they need HP to keep applying debuffs, they need atk to deal damage since you may end up removing a damage dealer or 2 to add them to the team, they also need accuracy for all the debuffs, they also need speed to go before the rest of the team, I think it's too tall of an order to ask. They also take up 2 slots that could potentially be used for 2 individual units that do more or better things than what they bring, I actually think the twins are too gimmicky to work better than 2 independent units.
I think you summarised their issues very well
Man i love this game and channel but i looked at my time spent on apps recently and i spend way too much time on it, so this is sadly goodbye, your awesome tho
No worries. All the best bro
can You make a tier list of all 3 stars espers? 😅need help on that don't know who to level up 😢
Already did brah
@@DaddyF2P oh okay Sorry I just can't find it from all your videos :c
I really agree with this list.. Finally a tier list that we can rely on
There is a community tier list on their dc server. Pretty accurate as well
Best content you brought to us🙏
Nice video and good breakdown of espers, however too many S tier espers and not enough distinction between them, need to be solid reasons for their placements and why they are ranking higher than others.
The S tiers are generally very good to build as the cover a lot of content. The lower tiers are more restrictive
My favorite epic is Jacob! Cause the snake is so cute 🤩
And it's so true about the twins!! I'm waiting for the red twin to come home so I could build them both 😂
IMO, u can put the RED twins in the A/B tier and WHITE one in C/B tier.
The reason is that the RED one can still provide Def Break and Sear debuffs by himself. Those two debuffs are pretty much relevant everywhere and he can reliably land those debuffs without the need to use him together with his White brother counterpart.
The WHITE twins on the other hand, is kinda tricky to use alone without his brother. His kit is OKAY and i think the devs probably want to geared him toward PVP contents, judging from his kit, but i still find him lackluster in many ways.
Still, great vid anyways. Thank you for your insight as always!
You're not wrong. I'll need to do some more tests if the black twin dps suffers a lot though. Cause that might result in a lower overall proc chance too
i think anesidora should be S tier, the amount of utility with speed buff and stuns as well as the damage she does makes her irreplaceable in most pve content.
100% agree. She's amazing in Spatial/Temporal.
totally agree. she doesnt build any damage and still has around 70% dmg in those higher level fights. Shes tanky, gives speed, stuns and has insane damage. Its crazy how overlooked she is
I would put her s tier strictly for cube/temporal. But because she falls short in rituals and pvp I don't really think that's fair for a general tier list
she's really good on that but ye this tier list like this consider their uses on most content
@@DaddyF2P yeah youve changed my mind. you are right about that.
Dang. I just got sandar, stewart, Taylor and the netherbloom girl and I have no more starimons
Quick suggestion:
In next tier list add tier "special" where you could put espers which are only good in one specific thing (for example jacob as an poison counter pick). This won't mislead people about their overall performance and strenght.
but if u watch the whole video he explains why espers are placed at each tier.
@@heeDeer yah and then you don’t even have to watch the whole thing, he’s put every name in the video and can just skip to that section 😂
@DaddyF2P can you do a showcase about this new taylor i have up mine to lvl 50 hope 60 soon but i dont know how to build him
I have a question if you don't mind
When talking about Pritz and Long Miam I thought wind walker was best on them, especially pritz since he has a passive for his s2 that can't be affected by the cooldown reduce from ocean waves and wind walker might let him lap the enemy to make his passive work more. Is there a reason you usually recommend ocean waves over wind walker? Also when you recommend ocean wave sets are you assuming they will have good speed on sub stats and then you'll have speed main on your spade piece?
I only ask because I've found Long Miam going first to be very important and then I usually can win off that. But I am newer to harder things like temporal tower. I'm guessing some of the preference to ocean waves could be because there's some content later like later cube stages that have enemies with over 240 speed
I'm not saying you are wrong or anything I just want to understand the best ways to utilize ocean waves and why you love it so much
Also I am excited to try new sets like ocean waves, especially since I can multibattle apep 10 now consistently
being able to use their 2nd and 3rd skills frequently is important to their gameplay, and you can remedy the speed loss by using ap pushers like dhalia or clara. If your long mian/pritzker is 1 speed below your ap pusher, you're wasting a bunch of ap that could be gained
Hey nothing wrong with asking questions man relax. So yes Speed is always a priority even with Ocean Waves. Now unless you need the turn advantage, Ocean Waves is usually more powerful. Imagine having 200 speed on wind walker but with the same relic quality you might only have 175 speed on Ocean Waves. But what we can do is multiply 175 by 1.35 due to "gaining turns" from Ocean Waves procs which gives us 236.25 "true speed" which is far superior to wind walker for stages that run longer like Cube/Temporal Tower or even tanky PVP.
You made a good argument that Pritzker only has one cd skill. But do also take note his S3 is extremely broken and he is only useful when his S3 is up again. With a CD of 3 turns, it is more than likely you can proc his S3 every other turn. Long Mian works the same
@@DaddyF2P This is a good explanation thank you. I definitely want to try some when I get good pieces
the fact that my latest 4 6 star espers are stewart/hercules and the twins is nuts lol
I'm gonna be real, I heavily invested into Falken because a lot of people left glowing reviews of him on the app.
After investing into him, I feel like I can sorta see where they're coming from, but by no means does he feel as gamechanging as the reviews let on.
I have him fully ascended with all 6* relics maxxed, and he feels... alright. For a while I wondered if I had just built him wrong and that's kinda why I am here now. Do you have any recommendations for relics and sets for him? Or did I just leave myself up a creek after all this time?
Oof never trust the in game reviews! If you'd like I think he can still work as a fodder farmer with hades/master Grove with cdmg, hp, hp. Very slow but safe.
Thank you so much now i know who to invest in 👍
Oh I like that intro. I see you. 👀
So, as an avid xie twins user, if one of them die, they still have that acend buff so you aren't totally screwed
Thanks bro. Kinda odd this works but I guess some bugs shall stay buried forever
thank you for the explanationnnn
I have a question to ask... Do you plan on making a video about Narmer - build, places he could really shine and most importantly the buffers that synergize well with him for a nuke?
Yes I will make a vid on him really soon
It’s the way I just build Kara tank and pair her with Jacob to clear bosses 😭😭😭the never ending poison stacks are lowkey mad funny
I just got Stewart via Inferno record. Lmao. So lucky
I have still yet to pull a chloe, dhalia, or Lin Xiao =/
I want laura and lin xiao so bad 😭
hey daddy i just got 2 dupes taylor, should i prioritize him or stewart? im targetting better time in kronos/apep and holo/point as i lack a nuker. hope you can give an opinion
Hmm maybe Taylor. I feel like he has slightly more versatility and easier to use
@@DaddyF2P thnks daddy
How would you build taylor as fodder farmer? What stats are you aiming for?
Cdmg atk atk. War machine possible instead of hades. So wm/avatara
thanks bro.. i have'nt build my fritz,taylor and sander..
Stewart really good when u bring an immunity buff so when he does ult he doesn't sleep
That causes him to lose his s2 proc though
Oh okay
These lists are fun
Are there any tips for keeping Taylor alive? I've been trying to get taylor to work for me but anytime I use this man he dies instantly in everything BUT practice stages immediately if anything lives. in pvp, tower, cube, anything else if I'm not running like Nicole + healer + another invincible casting unit that man just drops like a fly after his initial hit and the shield from his s1 gets deleted instantly.
It's the same as how you keep your other dps espers alive. You may need to use suhua to preempt his s3 so he don't lose hp for temporal/Cube or you can go with fabrice. Because he cuts his own hp he is tricky to play with
Just an FYI, I'm pretty sure the twins still use their extra abilities even when one dies.
I noticed this in TT enemy team. But never tried with my own team.
Ok lemme try that out. Going by wording I assume that's a bug
Hey DF2P, nice video, good content as well.
I do disagree with some picks, if you may:
You said that because Jacob makes Apep so easy, he deserves the A. That's very specific to me. I get that he makes Apep much easier, but one can simple skip Jacob against Apep and once you have an A10 team going, you will absolutely never going back for Jacob as he has no other use in the game. For that reason I think he should be B or C.
Ren Si is much more useful than Jacob overall, specially on point and holo, and he can also nearly solo K10 and A10 (given, he needs high-end relics to do so, but regardless). Yet you scored him below Jacob and Jiang Man, both espers that have a single use in the entire game. He's also a very important unit for tank comps so he's a meta PvP unit. He should be an easy A.
Jiang Man is yet another niche pick. She has almost the very same role as Mona but Mona is C and she is A. I get that she's easier to build and can potentially be useful on Cube, but let's be honest: Cube is the last thing you consider when upgrading an esper. These two factors are weak arguments for putting Jiang 2 tiers above Mona. They both should be in the same tier as both perform the very same roles in different ways: Mona as a faster farmer and Jiang Man as an easier-to-buid farmer.
Djoser is just an absolute dogshit. You slapped him in C tier because you can solo A10 with him. I mean, cool, he can solo A10, but he needs high-end relics and in this scenario Ren Si can do the same. Hades can also easily solo A10, so if you have him, Djoser just brings nothing to the table. Will someone build Djoser for this? Probably no, right? What else he can be used for? Nothing. Easy D tier as he is just outshined by Ren Si in the only place he can be useful. I feel like Lynn is much more useful than Djoser since she's actually good against the hardest boss in the game but she's D and Djoser is C. They should be swapped.
Let me know if I'm tripping. Keep up the good work!
The Djoser comment made me laugh hard, have my upvote haha
Ok lemme reply 1 by 1. Till this date I still use Jacob for my 40 second team. He's almost essential for me to yolo. I placed him A even with his niche because Apep is IMO the most important ritual dungeon and its a necessity at this point
Rensi: jiangman has more use than fodder farming. I explained it. In fact jiang man is used in Cube, holo, fodder farming and my auto temporal tower lineup. I think rensi could go higher one tier but that's about it
I wouldn't move Lynn up for the reasons in the video but I might agree that djoser can be D tier
@@DaddyF2P Thanks for the insightful replies!
I agree with Jiang Man having uses elsewhere. I've done some research on her, also seen a few on holos as well. I was wrong when I said Jiang has a single use in the game. To be honest I don't have a good Jiang Man so I'm bit on the fence in this one. I didn't like her much in A tier because Immunity and Cleanse completely ruins her entire kit and to me units that rely so much on having (or not) specific conditions to work are a bit difficult to use sometimes, pushing them a little bit to niche uses. I know Immunity and Cleanse destroys most control espers as well but their effects are not usually over time (I'm thinking a stun or pushback) so it's a lot easier to get value out of them. But I'm taking your word in this one: Jiang A tier.
Jacob: ok very good point, that's fair.
Ren Si: I think A tier is very fitting for him. Not S tier for sure!
Lynn: also good point you made on the video, but I still feel like she's more useful than D. I understand the last tier to be the 'avoid these units because they either have very limited uses or are completely outshined by others' tier. Everything you said about Lynn and Faf is true, but some players will have a really hard time beating Faf10 and they could use a Lynn, specially since she's f2p. I'm thinking on clueless players that see the tierlist and go 'ok so apparently Lynn is garbage so I won't even bother' but she's actually useful.
And man, thanks for such polited responses and not being salty about criticisms. I tried not to sound too harsh because I'm not here to shit on you, right. Sorry if I sounded rude, didn't meant to... just trying to bring another perspective!
Keep up DF2P, you quickly became my fav Dislyte content creator as your insights are deep, you seem to always have something to add.
Notification on Gang here!
Twins on a stun set, Lucas, Gab, Tiger Mama
Oh Taylor. Imagine if Taylors third skill ignored defense and/or Disabled enemy passives. One day the man will be a god...one day... T^T
taylor is so slept on icl he does crazy dmg he is lewis lite
No one talking abt the intro screen? that was sick
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I dont think falken is that low. For early game, rune it with zeus and apollo's bow, just stack hp and accu on it and it does so much for the team in cube/tower/map clearing. The atk break that comes from s3 plus the fact that he can taunt anyone that attacks his teammates easily is so useful. When runed with crit damage, he could be a really good farmer as he just use s3 once and it would just recover and spam s3 all the way as he gets attacked.
Early game zeus?!
@@DaddyF2P i have him on zeus lmao. Its not so hard to get zeus. You dont even need a specific hp% early game. Just run it with any zeus set even if it has bad subs or main stat when you cant get the right main stat.
The moment i got falken, i already knew hes going to be amazing with zeus. Just farm l1-l3 fafnir which is very easy to accomplish even with mediocre heroes, get a full set of zeus, find a spd spade relic of any kind and you're good to go.
I guess being a summoners war player, i know how good despair runes work on things with aoe crowd control/ debuff so I find ways to find the right relics for them asap. I am really surprised even the game doesnt say that triki works so good on zeus/avatara and ends up just suggesting wind walker instead like, man loki on zeus works so well he counterattacks and stuns even without passing the debuff.
can taylor be a substitute for lin xiao ? currently lacking epic dps, no cloe, no lin xiao... sad
Depends on the use. Lx can double as a speed debuffer
Well, guess I have to keep rolling for Lin Xiao 🥲
Pandora, she is my MVP on Purg Story. Buff speed and stuff, just give her OW set and we good.
Why wasn't this dude hire by Dislyte's team already? He's awesome
I have ye suhua and heng yue who should I be using ?
Both
thanks for this but sigh* relics are so rare to obtain with decent stats even farming k10 and apep10 gives 4* relics and elite ones most of the time for 5*
Who is better Taylor,Sander or long Mian ?
All different roles lol. All are good at what they do but I prefer sander and long mian equally
So if one doesn't have Clara, or Sally would Asenath be a good choice to build?
Asenath is more similar to clara but not the same as sally. Asenath is a great starter choice for k10 but if that's settled she's only useful in speed cleave, not tanky pvp unlike clara
@Joule you explained her role really well
Can anyone tell me what he said about mona? what' s photo farming?
Fodder farming. Using mona as the main esper and 4 espers meant for promoting others
Wait what ? Djoser for APEP ? Tell me more I missed that strat completely.
Djoser can full stack his passive 1v1 apep. He's a really good choice there.
I hear maplestory music on the background!
i love to see li ling in here
Pls add ullr and azure dragon
Arcana has a great attack animation, it would be great if they buff the shit out of that guy
damn... love the intro
Daddy can you please make a video of Laura? I am curious on her S tier
Taylor is a machine but if you kill otherwise he gets one shot aswell.
mine on OW and he deals easy 70k 3 skill if att buf on him and oponents have Def break also 1 skill deals afther constants 40k damage. Amazing to be used as a last unit in pvp afther aoe nuker (Narmer for ex)
If you don't have Hades don't use him as a farmer xD I've lost to a single dark elf (the one that conters wen dies) just because he first turn used 3 skill reducing his hp to 1 lol also the same happens if he has a poison xDD
Also I'm sad to tell sometimes his passive fails to give him another turn (I have a vid showing that) and the "anti revive" is only for active skill not passives. He can "kill" Hyde first live but he ressurects anyway and olie passive also conters him.
Wait, his extra turn passive fails to proc sometimes? I gotta test this. o_O
I do get the Anti-revive thing. He'll always be low key awful at the thing he's supposed to be good at since the characters that are the most annoying to deal with, all circumvent his passive by having abilities that stop a character from "Dying" altogether. Sad times.
@@ScarBebop there is no way for me to tell you "wen it fails" but happened ready to me in pvp and in Cube miracle (my record is on cube) . The game has a few bugs haha my profile I've finish infite tower and it says I only have finish it until 99 with temporal made until 39.
Another bug is Jacob still has "two" elements lol check yours he's wind and flow.
I heard of the hyde part but I assumed that to be a bug. Same as why drew double jumps on hyde. There are some issues not fixed
What is FODDER FARMER???
An esper than levels up 4 useless espers
Thanks as always for the videos. Nice and polished opening title. Do you know where you got the info for the summon rates between Asenath and Clara? I've heard people complaining that summoning rates were misleading or that the devs were being shady, but are the rates all advertised for the espers and we just didn't look properly?
Good qn.
Clara = 1% * 0.93 / 17 = 0.055%
Asenath = 9% * 0.07 / 8 = 0.079%
(Rarity rate * shimmer? / no. of espers in this category)
Also it's normal for people to say the rates are rigged. It's just another day in the life of gacha when you confuse expectations with reality
Just pulled Isis so i wanted to see how she is doing in the game but i guess that not even making it to the tier list is a signal
Check out my legendary tier list instead 😆
Long miao is goated
chances of getting asenath and clara are low.
me getting clara at 82 pity and asenath at shimmer pull back to back
Well new update fixes this
"Other espers easily outshine Arcana."
Me: "His pants beg to differ though."
Bro have you seen jiang jiuli pants
@@DaddyF2P He's a legendary though he's allowed the shinest pants of them all 🤣
Falken could be an S if he does what he use to be doing in his passive skill description
They changed his passive again from letting his allies counter to now himself countering with just a 60% chance. They nerfed him from before when he could counter every hit lolol
i luckily got Stewart on a 10x spin lmao
djosef only solos apep = C tier
jacob useful for apep only = A tier
thats not fair :P
also updated list when :D
Yeaaaaaa I had one ready to be published but Sentinel Hunt dropped so I had to dispose of the tier list.
Lilith is adjusting drop rates based on this list, right now 🤣
Guess I'll never get my Taylor
I would put twins on B tier
Reason:
Lately I built both of the twins and honestly their 2nd skill brings so much to the table (when pair togheter). Xie Chuyi has ideal kit for kronos (elemental advantage, sear, guaranteed def reduction and speed down) and In my opinion that's the only stage where he is valuable without his brother, when Xie Chuyi is on team alongside his brother, his damage potential increase drastically. On the other hand Xie Yuzhi is absolutely useless without his brother. Very inconsistant, lower base speed in comparison to many controllers and very easy to counter. When paired with Xie Chuyi he is just good beacuse of his 2nd skill which became much more consistant. Imo he lacks single target buff dispell to be on par with other controllers.
The thing how much dependent are they of each others makes things difficult especially in team bulding. Also u lost two slots of captain buff which has only usage on ritual and wave miracle.
i've try taylor in pw, he can 1 hit all dps omg
Share video plisss
Actually if you ever feel like it, it would be a privilege if I could use your espers for showcasing
@@DaddyF2P my taylor still need good relic, i just make video about him solo farm xp
@@DaddyF2P arena? let's do it
I see people using asenath in arena 16-18 offense :0 she really that bad?
Well I have doubts about that there's no tier 17 or 18 lol. Aside from that she's good in a speed cleave pvp team but that's about it. In a tanky team she doesn't cope
your opinion about the Twins ?
At the end bro
@@DaddyF2P yeah saw that thanks 👍
Needed a break from ml, glad to find an upload
Edit:love my Chloe, dahlia, Fabrice,Jian Mian, someone teach me how to use Lin Xiao,I've never considered using ocean waves on long mian..I'll build him a set, I want pritzker and sander and Stewart
ml? Mobile legends?
@@DaddyF2P Monster Legends.
Mobile legends bang bang
Hi bro, I’m from Singapore as well. Tried to message you but can’t seem to find a option for it.
Just wanted to see if you are free to review my account and see if you can optimise it? Currently able to do K10, A9, F8 and spatial tower 87. 1 month+ old account if I am not wrong.
Not entirely F2P, buy afew stamina pack to farm. Haha.
i hope he'll review your account! i might still need help as my progress is around your account altho i haven't tried Fafnir 8 yet
We shall see, and hope for the best! Haha
Hey bros. I am currently full on my list of people pending acc takeovers. I wish I had more time but I'm part of the problem as well cause I haven't been clearing them lately kek
@@DaddyF2P no problem bro! thank you so much
all I hear is the maplestory songs lol
Hércules es el más rápido farmenado que?
Yes as long as he can one shot the enemies and steal turns afterwards
How do I report an esper for grieving, spamming and harassment? This F tier Arcana keeps spamming me in game and now I am just 1 copy away from his full reso……..
I found it helpful to fodder the extras after full reso. That would shut him up
@@DaddyF2P hahaha no I don’t want anymore copy of him!!! Btw, I just tested the twins. My white twin died, and my red twin still does the additional 2 hits on his S2. Seems like their unique synergy works as long as they start the battle together, instead of requiring both to be alive at the same time.
Hey Bro!!! 👐🤗👐
I have a recommendation, these videos could be better by showing gameplay of them.
Also which units work best as a team synergy for ritual miracle bosses. 🙂
I believe that would bring a lot more views to your channel. 🤗
Lynn is a hell of monodps on gvg, she puts a 30-40k on her S3 with only buff atk (the best one with Wind element)
Say hi to lu yi who can cleave whole teams in holo lol. There's also tang yun with much higher dps
Please make Legend and Rare esper tier list...
Already done
F2P rise up!