You know what would be cool? some sort of "composition tier list" or separate tier list by roles and that you go "choose this and this and that" as a composition I mean
@@DaddyF2P (The student looks up) "What, who me?" (The teacher nods his head yes) (The student thinks to himself, oh great, I shouldn't have opened my big mouth) (The student reluctantly walks to the front of the classroom and clears his throat and begins to speak) Okay everyone, first a disclaimer. I have no idea what I'm talking about. Now we can begin. My current best time against A10 is 2:37 whereas DaddyF2P best time is 48 seconds. Against Apep your best times won't always have good win rates and that is the question that is in front of us. How to lower time and maintain a good or 100% win rate. A10 for me is pretty difficult so I only run 1 dps which is Chole. There might be better options but as of now she's lvl 60 with maxed skills so I use her. I'm also running Jin Yuyao, Gabrielle, Heng Yue and Sally. Any time I take any of them out to increase my damage output my team falls apart. What I'm going to have to do is lessen the amount of healers I need while keeping my win rate up. One idea with that is to take one relic on the dps that I bring and swap out one attack% with a hp%. Most dps are glass cannons, but without the right support, Apep is gonna break that glass. I figure if you lower your attack and increase survivability then it would be worth it. Another thing is I think I need to take out Gabrielle and use someone else. Not sure if I would go for another dps or someone like Dhalia. Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about, just going to use trial and error which I will attempt now. (Pulls out Galaxy S22 Ultra and loads up Dislyte and begins to test some of his theories) Okay, I tried taking out Jin Yuyao and my whole team died. I tried taking Heng Yue and my whole team died. I tried taking out Sally and my whole team died. I tried taking out Chole and my time went up to four minutes. I put Chole back and tried taking out Gabrielle and my time went to over five minutes. (The student scratches his head, closes the app and puts the phone back in his pocket) As I said, I have no idea what I'm talking about. What I did notice in our teachers lesson is the SS ranked dps such as Chalmers and Drew might be better suited than Chole. She multi hits and doesn't concentrate her damage on the boss. I figured if I use them I might be able to get away with less healers or take out Gab or Jin Yuyao and still keep my win rate up. If I can do that, it would drastically cut the time it takes to beat Apep. As of now I'm pretty far away from that because I have to power up Sanders, Pritzker and Long Mian for other areas of the game. I'm here for the long haul, so I have nothing but time to slowly make my espers better and get better relics and come up with strategies to decrease the time it takes to beat Apep and others. (The student returns to his seat, with his fellow classmates as we all wait patiently, for the teachers next lesson) Solo Draconis
This is a great video, i do have a suggestion for a future video though. Maybe you've already done this, but it might be nice to see what the best team comps are using the S and A tier units. Sure they're all great, but in my mind, u cant just randomly choose 5 of them and expect to dominate. even if they're all s tier, if you have, say, 5 controllers but no real dps, u might just die before killing. So maybe look at who fits into what category and the best combinations. great video tho
I think Kara's fine in Apep 10 if you don't have enough relics to gear 5 full espers. Because having a team of 2 dps 2 supports that have your best relics together with Kara is gonna have better damage than 5 good apep espers that have your best relics spread out between them because Kara doesn't need relics to do decent damage to the boss with poisons. She's pretty good as a transitional esper imo. Funny story is I left my game on multibattle on apep 10 the other day and noticed it's been stuck on 7/10 for 10 minutes. When I took a look, my 5 star Sally was the only one standing. I watched it for a couple of minutes and she doesn't die, boss couldn't kill her. Nor was she doing any damage cuz she never used her 1st skill. Maybe if I 6 star her she wouldn't have to heal so much and could attack? But yea, that's a thing that could happen.
Right now I find myself clearing apep with 100% wr using Gab lead, Drew, Heng Yue, Sally, and Chang Pu though I'm still not finished in farming K10 but it's reassuring that I can now clear in a slow and steady way that works every time.
good tier list i agree with most of it from my experience, drew and chloe are good but their main role is killing the waves and there is some bad typing issues for them there even tho i still use them i dont think they are super efficient, more that the lack of good wind dps you are kinda forces to use them. I feel like this just shows the lack of great windwalker dps in the game outside of dayi who multi hits a ton so making him also not super efficient
one thing about lewis, you might get ruined if you dont have a fast enough comp to beat it, because he uses two turns and it sometimes eat up your immunity buffs, wich for early game farming really sucked for me
Heya always a good video, thats why I always prefer this channel. Can you also suggest like some sample teams at the end when you make these types of tier lists.
That could drag the video on longer than it should be. With that said, I will take this advice. I might upload separate videos so the content don't clutter though. Is that ok?
funny story: I have none single target espers that is good (I have drew and Lewis but i dunno why they dont deal dmg that much especially Lewis). So what i did was, I used my 2 main dps which is Chloe and Li Ling Hades Set(both are aoe dmg so awful on apep). I just tanked every poison Apep threw at me lmao
If you're already running a manual Chang Pu comp, shouldn't the immunity allow multi-hit units to go unpunished? Maybe there should be a separate list for that...
Running manual for content that requires hundreds of runs isn't ideal and id say most people wouldnt see value in that. This isn't the same as using her manually for temporal tower.
Best paced tier list maker out there. You are s tier. You snuck in that unas gives team immunity at the end. Am I tripping or did you mean something else?
Hey DaddyF2P, have you done a video on Point War? Like what is good against the current SPD meta and also what is good for defense formation because I keep losing :(
just refresh the point war opponent if you see comp that you definitely cant win. Theres bunch of people that only put 1 or sometimes fodder espers as defense team
I like long because he gets past the first two rounds real quick. But I haven't tried a different character. I use now Ling, long, clara, gabi, butterfly guy. But I don't think I can defeat ten but 8 and so on down. I'd have to see.
Boss always resists fangs... Jacob is way overrated on apep, even with max accuracy. In the betas i had a lot more success with him. His poison used to be crazy on apep but something changed. again, way overrated and not S tier imo.
I'm already working on building my Drew.. And sanders is at lvl 40 atm. So if I take sanders and drew would that make 2 dps units? Or does sander count as some sort of a support unit? 😊 As always keep up the good work!!! 💯🙏
Someone cleared apep10 with sandar, white tiger and alexa in fourty seconds! I saw it in recommended formations on honour server. I am not sure these people are real since their gear is pretty bad
Sienna S3 reduce Ap of the ennemie and her s1 give ap to her and one ally but it’s actually very useful since she’s always getting ap for herself so she can play more and use more her s2 and s3 I personally use her with a lot of speed and the boss have most of the time one or two turns but I feel like for apep she’s still not that great
@@DaddyF2P oh ya, ahmed has 3 hit on skill 1, I'm about 30 days old so still trying to get gab, I've got fabrice few days back. Good thing I have heng yua as well.
It's actually not pronounced as ei-pep but rather uh-pep. Sorry to get nerdy lol 🤓 I just managed to auto k10 with my own team ( Li ling, Freya, Sander, Medusa , Chang pu) so this guide was helpfull to which characters I need to focus next
I've got Hyde at 100% clear rate walking the dogs through Apep. If this isn't SSS I don't know what is. Avg time 4min I guess that could be better but then again I'm leveling four units while he's doing this run so... yea, amazing. If you have Hyde you're good with Apep don't need to build anyone else to help.
Me, just using Li Ling for basically anything: Welp, he's my personal servant at this point Aside from that, I just used Li Ling with Jacob and it works on 50/50
Bro help there's a bug on dislyte relics disappear when you remove them to place them on other espers I got it on video I lost 6 great runes before I recorded it....
01:3703:30 This part's awkward, if Jeanne is s tier then Bonnie kinda has to be s tier too. She's just better Jeanne for apep. They practically have the same multihits and buff dispell but bonnie has better elemental type and stats/numbers. Tho, it's understandable. I mean who sits around learning Bonnie. kekw
@@DaddyF2P Oh wait I commented on the wrong video lol I was also talking about fafnir, but jeanne multi hit 3/3 s1/s2 and bonnie multihit 2/4 s1/s2. ugh im so emberassed
Lol fk me now I'm confusing myself with Bonnie and bai liuli. Yes you have a point, though Jeanne and Bonnie are neutral to fafnir. I would defend my point that Jeanne still strips better but that Bonnie placement don't make sense from this perspective anymore
@@DaddyF2P oh yeah you're right, for some reason i thought jeanne had elemental disadvantage against fafnir. But speaking of random multihits jeanne's s2 is random enemies while bonnie's s2 is not random. Perhaps this is enough for bonnie > jeanne in fafnir. **sidenote: I really appreciated your comments on david, since I never even considered him until now.
Also sorry I couldn't figure out how jeanne strip buff better than bonnie. Is it cuz jeanne s2 is random and 19/27 of targeting tablet to maybe stun it.
You know what would be cool? some sort of "composition tier list" or separate tier list by roles and that you go "choose this and this and that" as a composition I mean
Been struggling with a 30-40% wr on Apep, I might use some of your S tier list, thank you so much for the wonderful content again!
Great video, it gave me some ideas for speed running Apep.
Solo Draconis
Pls share. I'm stuck at averaging 1 min 20 seconds and can't seem to get faster without compromising win rate
@@DaddyF2P (The student looks up) "What, who me?"
(The teacher nods his head yes)
(The student thinks to himself, oh great, I shouldn't have opened my big mouth)
(The student reluctantly walks to the front of the classroom and clears his throat and begins to speak)
Okay everyone, first a disclaimer. I have no idea what I'm talking about. Now we can begin.
My current best time against A10 is 2:37 whereas DaddyF2P best time is 48 seconds. Against Apep your best times won't always have good win rates and that is the question that is in front of us. How to lower time and maintain a good or 100% win rate.
A10 for me is pretty difficult so I only run 1 dps which is Chole. There might be better options but as of now she's lvl 60 with maxed skills so I use her.
I'm also running Jin Yuyao, Gabrielle, Heng Yue and Sally. Any time I take any of them out to increase my damage output my team falls apart.
What I'm going to have to do is lessen the amount of healers I need while keeping my win rate up. One idea with that is to take one relic on the dps that I bring and swap out one attack% with a hp%. Most dps are glass cannons, but without the right support, Apep is gonna break that glass. I figure if you lower your attack and increase survivability then it would be worth it.
Another thing is I think I need to take out Gabrielle and use someone else. Not sure if I would go for another dps or someone like Dhalia. Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about, just going to use trial and error which I will attempt now.
(Pulls out Galaxy S22 Ultra and loads up Dislyte and begins to test some of his theories)
Okay, I tried taking out Jin Yuyao and my whole team died. I tried taking Heng Yue and my whole team died. I tried taking out Sally and my whole team died. I tried taking out Chole and my time went up to four minutes. I put Chole back and tried taking out Gabrielle and my time went to over five minutes.
(The student scratches his head, closes the app and puts the phone back in his pocket)
As I said, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
What I did notice in our teachers lesson is the SS ranked dps such as Chalmers and Drew might be better suited than Chole. She multi hits and doesn't concentrate her damage on the boss. I figured if I use them I might be able to get away with less healers or take out Gab or Jin Yuyao and still keep my win rate up. If I can do that, it would drastically cut the time it takes to beat Apep.
As of now I'm pretty far away from that because I have to power up Sanders, Pritzker and Long Mian for other areas of the game.
I'm here for the long haul, so I have nothing but time to slowly make my espers better and get better relics and come up with strategies to decrease the time it takes to beat Apep and others.
(The student returns to his seat, with his fellow classmates as we all wait patiently, for the teachers next lesson)
Solo Draconis
@@christopherkelly266 with stronger relics and max lvl and Ascension you'll have better chances nowadays I only use suhua for healing
@@ExtremeGs094 Yeah I haven't really reached the point of hard-core farming of good relics yet, but within a month or so I'll probably start.
I told you, Calara CAN solo him, I did it again today on auto mode - 25 mins.
Very nice bro lolol
She really did go soloed on Apep battle
This is a great video, i do have a suggestion for a future video though. Maybe you've already done this, but it might be nice to see what the best team comps are using the S and A tier units. Sure they're all great, but in my mind, u cant just randomly choose 5 of them and expect to dominate. even if they're all s tier, if you have, say, 5 controllers but no real dps, u might just die before killing. So maybe look at who fits into what category and the best combinations. great video tho
Quality video Daddy, nice levels from what I'm hearing. 👍
This helped me a TON thank you!
hell yeah I was just about to go into later apep (8-10) this is perfect timing, thanks bro
I think Kara's fine in Apep 10 if you don't have enough relics to gear 5 full espers. Because having a team of 2 dps 2 supports that have your best relics together with Kara is gonna have better damage than 5 good apep espers that have your best relics spread out between them because Kara doesn't need relics to do decent damage to the boss with poisons. She's pretty good as a transitional esper imo.
Funny story is I left my game on multibattle on apep 10 the other day and noticed it's been stuck on 7/10 for 10 minutes. When I took a look, my 5 star Sally was the only one standing. I watched it for a couple of minutes and she doesn't die, boss couldn't kill her. Nor was she doing any damage cuz she never used her 1st skill. Maybe if I 6 star her she wouldn't have to heal so much and could attack? But yea, that's a thing that could happen.
Right now I find myself clearing apep with 100% wr using Gab lead, Drew, Heng Yue, Sally, and Chang Pu though I'm still not finished in farming K10 but it's reassuring that I can now clear in a slow and steady way that works every time.
Yup definitely looks very tanky. Your next move is to replace chang pu for suhua, then heng yue for another dps
good tier list i agree with most of it from my experience, drew and chloe are good but their main role is killing the waves and there is some bad typing issues for them there even tho i still use them i dont think they are super efficient, more that the lack of good wind dps you are kinda forces to use them. I feel like this just shows the lack of great windwalker dps in the game outside of dayi who multi hits a ton so making him also not super efficient
one thing about lewis, you might get ruined if you dont have a fast enough comp to beat it, because he uses two turns and it sometimes eat up your immunity buffs, wich for early game farming really sucked for me
I really did want to build Djoser, I have no decent defenders and i feel like this is something he could shine in
Heya always a good video, thats why I always prefer this channel. Can you also suggest like some sample teams at the end when you make these types of tier lists.
That could drag the video on longer than it should be. With that said, I will take this advice. I might upload separate videos so the content don't clutter though. Is that ok?
@@DaddyF2P yea its all good. Like for me im struggling on forming team comps even with the tier list so I dont know who goes with who.
funny story: I have none single target espers that is good (I have drew and Lewis but i dunno why they dont deal dmg that much especially Lewis). So what i did was, I used my 2 main dps which is Chloe and Li Ling Hades Set(both are aoe dmg so awful on apep). I just tanked every poison Apep threw at me lmao
Use drew! Invest on him
He's pretty good in apep and Kronos
And if you have sander , he's a must too in your line up
Hail DREW and Sander!
Doggo duo🐶
Tang Yun carried me through tower. =)
If you're already running a manual Chang Pu comp, shouldn't the immunity allow multi-hit units to go unpunished? Maybe there should be a separate list for that...
Running manual for content that requires hundreds of runs isn't ideal and id say most people wouldnt see value in that. This isn't the same as using her manually for temporal tower.
Thanks forthe video, hopefully this helps reduce my a10 timing
8:57 cleared apep10. my Clara had like 40k health and she solod apep from 52% health
Only thing was she took 22minutes lol
I heard the same from someone too! 20 min lol
Hey DaddyF2P can you make an updated list maybe after anniversary since there be alot of new espers for Apep. Maybe even for Kronos and Fafnir also.
Upload rate has been increased 1000% huh?
they said the update is a nerf to jacob's tooth skill, what do you think?
Best paced tier list maker out there. You are s tier.
You snuck in that unas gives team immunity at the end. Am I tripping or did you mean something else?
Unas does give team immunity! 1 turn only though. But it is still nice to have along with Gabrielle
@@DaddyF2P holy shit. I love you idk how I always missed that lmao I have been playing with him for a week now. I feel so dumb. Thank you thank you.
Hey DaddyF2P, have you done a video on Point War? Like what is good against the current SPD meta and also what is good for defense formation because I keep losing :(
just refresh the point war opponent if you see comp that you definitely cant win. Theres bunch of people that only put 1 or sometimes fodder espers as defense team
@@giantcookie5925 ok but I hope you realize that after around Tier 8 its literally nonexistent lmao
Hey I can do that. The answer is usually tanking but there's a lot of catch too
Daddy, can you do an overall tier list? Like with limited resources, what espers shall we focus on for all content on average?
Yup I'll update it with the coming patch
I'm running Sander Heng Gabby Wu Kong and Chloe.
just what I need dad thanks
I know clara and gab are rated highly here...but uh, I'm struggling, probably because I'm using them both, any tips?
Ahh maybe! By right clara can solo apep on her own so could be a relic issue too.
I like long because he gets past the first two rounds real quick. But I haven't tried a different character. I use now Ling, long, clara, gabi, butterfly guy. But I don't think I can defeat ten but 8 and so on down. I'd have to see.
Does Jacob accuracy affect if the boss gets poisoned from hitting your team with fangs buff ? With 60 acc, boss hits team only take 2 poison
Yes it does. Boss can resist fangs
Boss always resists fangs... Jacob is way overrated on apep, even with max accuracy. In the betas i had a lot more success with him. His poison used to be crazy on apep but something changed. again, way overrated and not S tier imo.
I'm already working on building my Drew.. And sanders is at lvl 40 atm. So if I take sanders and drew would that make 2 dps units? Or does sander count as some sort of a support unit? 😊
As always keep up the good work!!! 💯🙏
Sander for apep is more end game than early game. I'd use another dps instead. Maybe freddy here
@@DaddyF2P understood Daddyf2p! Thank u so much brutha! 🙏💯🤗
is apep10 got buffed? he always got resistanced
High resist stat I guess
Someone cleared apep10 with sandar, white tiger and alexa in fourty seconds! I saw it in recommended formations on honour server. I am not sure these people are real since their gear is pretty bad
That's the infamous suicide squad probably by musubi the goat. However it's probably fixed by now. It was a bug exploit
Sienna S3 reduce Ap of the ennemie and her s1 give ap to her and one ally but it’s actually very useful since she’s always getting ap for herself so she can play more and use more her s2 and s3 I personally use her with a lot of speed and the boss have most of the time one or two turns but I feel like for apep she’s still not that great
I use kara on kronos and on apep she does work well.
Chloe esper review please
Gotchu
Is Ahmed relevant in apep?
I would say Heng Yue is much better but maybe you might figure out a way to use his S3 effectively with Gab
@@DaddyF2P oh ya, ahmed has 3 hit on skill 1, I'm about 30 days old so still trying to get gab, I've got fabrice few days back. Good thing I have heng yua as well.
Clara can solo apep takes along time but works
It's actually not pronounced as ei-pep but rather uh-pep.
Sorry to get nerdy lol 🤓
I just managed to auto k10 with my own team ( Li ling, Freya, Sander, Medusa , Chang pu) so this guide was helpfull to which characters I need to focus next
Thanks for the naming clarification lol. Tbh it also struck me yesterday that I might not be saying his name right
A-pep sounds way cooler
I've been struggling apep10 for week n i forget i have hyde..
Bro...
@@DaddyF2P haha.. don't bother built him cause im running li ling n momma tiger as dps n totally forgot bout him..all that stam wasted on apep9 lol
Drew is my 1 dps on apep10 and I have berenice on my team cos i dont have any other better support XD
I've got Hyde at 100% clear rate walking the dogs through Apep. If this isn't SSS I don't know what is. Avg time 4min I guess that could be better but then again I'm leveling four units while he's doing this run so... yea, amazing. If you have Hyde you're good with Apep don't need to build anyone else to help.
Yep Hyde is the cheat code for Apep!
whats ur build for him
Me, just using Li Ling for basically anything: Welp, he's my personal servant at this point
Aside from that, I just used Li Ling with Jacob and it works on 50/50
I think that the mother queen in b tier is underratted and deserve her A
Yea just my opinion here. I use her a lot but haven't found her to be that good for me although it could be simply cause I got jacob
@@DaddyF2P i don't have jacob 😅
Bro help there's a bug on dislyte relics disappear when you remove them to place them on other espers I got it on video I lost 6 great runes before I recorded it....
Upload a video of this on your yt account, make it public/unlisted and pls comment the video link again as a NEW comment so I can see it
Ollie is good too for Apep imo.
Yea seems like a safe esper for apep
@@DaddyF2P Even he's Flow attuned?
I play li ling whith hyde so he gets the stacks
01:37 03:30 This part's awkward, if Jeanne is s tier then Bonnie kinda has to be s tier too. She's just better Jeanne for apep. They practically have the same multihits and buff dispell but bonnie has better elemental type and stats/numbers. Tho, it's understandable. I mean who sits around learning Bonnie. kekw
Ok wait what? Jeanne is F tier what do you mean? No wonder why I thought this was fafnir
@@DaddyF2P Oh wait I commented on the wrong video lol I was also talking about fafnir, but jeanne multi hit 3/3 s1/s2 and bonnie multihit 2/4 s1/s2. ugh im so emberassed
Lol fk me now I'm confusing myself with Bonnie and bai liuli. Yes you have a point, though Jeanne and Bonnie are neutral to fafnir. I would defend my point that Jeanne still strips better but that Bonnie placement don't make sense from this perspective anymore
@@DaddyF2P oh yeah you're right, for some reason i thought jeanne had elemental disadvantage against fafnir. But speaking of random multihits jeanne's s2 is random enemies while bonnie's s2 is not random. Perhaps this is enough for bonnie > jeanne in fafnir. **sidenote: I really appreciated your comments on david, since I never even considered him until now.
Also sorry I couldn't figure out how jeanne strip buff better than bonnie. Is it cuz jeanne s2 is random and 19/27 of targeting tablet to maybe stun it.
Jacob is a waste in apep his not good as they say or u think he is
Lol
Jason another esper not good at anything 😂... Not true... He's good at being annoying
Yknow that sounded so weird for a sec cause I'm David too LOLOL
@@DaddyF2P oh my b 😂, we'll just call him Jason haha
WHY ARE YOU TALKING SO GODDAMN FAST....S L O W D O W N. Are you on a timer or something???🤷🏿♂️
Will take note :’)
This list is crap don’t hear to it.
It is indeed crap