What a dramatic turn . Video starts out so incredibly interesting and keeps that pace for the majority of it - then the context of the recent past and present is the focus and it’s heartbreaking .
This is a wonderful documentary that shows all of the evils of so-called progress and economic development. I hope it encourages people to work toward letting the rivers of Southern Illinois run free again and undoing all the projects that have attempted to control the natural behavior of the rivers. As the documentary says, the river is the best decider of what the river is to do.
Not done with the video but thoroughly enjoying it. The history of the river basins and the changes in how peoples have lived on and with these great rivers is fascinating. It is easy to get sentimental about bygone days when the aperture of what we want to see is in focus . The stories of disease and warfare are sometimes outside of that sentimentality. -I digress , great video! I’m as guilty as anyone for yearning for simpler days
Great video. I only recently moved to the region and was struck by two things. (1) A great deal of beautiful and somewhat-natural land remains - more than I have experienced in some other places. (2) At a recent event in a state park near Carbondale I met many wonderful people from local, grass-root environmental organizations who are passionate about protecting the land and the ecosystems it supports. Yes, much damage was done, but don't overlook the awareness and energy of the people living here today. I suspect that a greater fraction of the population understands the need to preserve, protect, and restore today than at any point in the past. That gives me hope for the future.
Cool old video was new and exciting just a few decades ago. Like the steel plants of the early 1900s smd Fords rouge plants, all departed the USA like the work ethic we used to have. We hsve went backwards not forward
"work ethic"? You mean when people worked slavishly for a shit salary and little to no sick days? Or do you mean when people worked a bit harder because minimum and median wage has proportional growth relative to normalized decrease in purchasing, unlike now to where since the 80s profits have perpetually increased because minimum and median wage has not increased relative to normal decrease in purchasing power. So you just want people to call themselves "free" while they are submitting to being treated like shit. Those steel plants worked children to literal death, caused dismemberment to workers and had absolutely no safety standards or standards for a better life for their workers. They were inherent evil.
"work ethic"? You mean when people worked slavishly for a shit salary and little to no sick days? Or do you mean when people worked a bit harder because minimum and median wage has proportional growth relative to normalized decrease in purchasing, unlike now to where since the 80s profits have perpetually increased because minimum and median wage has not increased relative to normal decrease in purchasing power. So you just want people to call themselves "free" while they are submitting to being treated like shit. Those steel plants worked children to literal death, caused dismemberment to workers and had absolutely no safety standards or standards for a better life for their workers. They were inherent evil.
The idea that natives did not own the land is ludicrous. They did not own it individually, but they sure owned it tribally. And they were constantly at war with their neighbors.
Yes but they had no boundaries as we know them…. Their territories ebbed and flowed w conflicts and populations. It sure wasn’t the idyllic peaceful existence a lot of people think it was. A good portion of this predates European contact
So powerful, vital, and painful...but enlightening...disillusioning...I am very grateful to the makers...and funders..of this important film, we should all be grateful, we should have done something dramatic to stop the destruction since this film was made in the 80s but I'll bet we have done NOTHING AT ALL to stop the destruction much less restoration efforts. And what about the destruction of the indigenous people? What about reparations? I feel so much horror grief, anger, and fear for the future of such a violently destructive, calloused, selfish, short-sighted culture of christian white supremacy that produced all this devastating destruction. We should at least be remorseful and introspective...
Very very GOOD . I have in Vandalia il. for 78 yrs., I'am 85 yrs. Seen a lot,and video is very good.!!
Great job. Good information for the rest of us who live elsewhere. I'm 80, It's Tue. Nov. 19, 2024. St. Joseph, MO
What a dramatic turn . Video starts out so incredibly interesting and keeps that pace for the majority of it - then the context of the recent past and present is the focus and it’s heartbreaking .
This is a wonderful documentary that shows all of the evils of so-called progress and economic development. I hope it encourages people to work toward letting the rivers of Southern Illinois run free again and undoing all the projects that have attempted to control the natural behavior of the rivers.
As the documentary says, the river is the best decider of what the river is to do.
Not done with the video but thoroughly enjoying it. The history of the river basins and the changes in how peoples have lived on and with these great rivers is fascinating. It is easy to get sentimental about bygone days when the aperture of what we want to see is in focus . The stories of disease and warfare are sometimes outside of that sentimentality. -I digress , great video! I’m as guilty as anyone for yearning for simpler days
Great video. I only recently moved to the region and was struck by two things. (1) A great deal of beautiful and somewhat-natural land remains - more than I have experienced in some other places. (2) At a recent event in a state park near Carbondale I met many wonderful people from local, grass-root environmental organizations who are passionate about protecting the land and the ecosystems it supports. Yes, much damage was done, but don't overlook the awareness and energy of the people living here today. I suspect that a greater fraction of the population understands the need to preserve, protect, and restore today than at any point in the past. That gives me hope for the future.
Cool old video was new and exciting just a few decades ago.
Like the steel plants of the early 1900s smd Fords rouge plants, all departed the USA like the work ethic we used to have.
We hsve went backwards not forward
"work ethic"?
You mean when people worked slavishly for a shit salary and little to no sick days?
Or do you mean when people worked a bit harder because minimum and median wage has proportional growth relative to normalized decrease in purchasing, unlike now to where since the 80s profits have perpetually increased because minimum and median wage has not increased relative to normal decrease in purchasing power.
So you just want people to call themselves "free" while they are submitting to being treated like shit.
Those steel plants worked children to literal death, caused dismemberment to workers and had absolutely no safety standards or standards for a better life for their workers. They were inherent evil.
"work ethic"?
You mean when people worked slavishly for a shit salary and little to no sick days?
Or do you mean when people worked a bit harder because minimum and median wage has proportional growth relative to normalized decrease in purchasing, unlike now to where since the 80s profits have perpetually increased because minimum and median wage has not increased relative to normal decrease in purchasing power.
So you just want people to call themselves "free" while they are submitting to being treated like shit.
Those steel plants worked children to literal death, caused dismemberment to workers and had absolutely no safety standards or standards for a better life for their workers. They were inherent evil.
The idea that natives did not own the land is ludicrous. They did not own it individually, but they sure owned it tribally. And they were constantly at war with their neighbors.
Yes but they had no boundaries as we know them…. Their territories ebbed and flowed w conflicts and populations. It sure wasn’t the idyllic peaceful existence a lot of people think it was. A good portion of this predates European contact
So powerful, vital, and painful...but enlightening...disillusioning...I am very grateful to the makers...and funders..of this important film, we should all be grateful, we should have done something dramatic to stop the destruction since this film was made in the 80s but I'll bet we have done NOTHING AT ALL to stop the destruction much less restoration efforts. And what about the destruction of the indigenous people? What about reparations? I feel so much horror grief, anger, and fear for the future of such a violently destructive, calloused, selfish, short-sighted culture of christian white supremacy that produced all this devastating destruction. We should at least be remorseful and introspective...
Hook and line
Leave the politics out of it.