Why International Airlines Continue To Cut China Flights
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- A little while ago, multiple international airlines announced cuts to their flights to China. Once a highly promising market for global carriers, the Chinese market now appears to be losing its appeal. What’s the driving force behind this trend? We take a look in today’s video...
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London to HK :
Chinese Airlines £480
Everyone else £750
Well, that's how Subsidy work. I won't complain though, it's the Chinese taxpayers money.
@@nntflow7058 Why hasn't the EU banned Chinese airlines like they did with Russia?
@@cainneachdaugherty7172 Huh? Russian airlines got banned because of the war. Not Subsidies.
@@cainneachdaugherty7172 Why should they?
@@nntflow7058 Where did they mention subsidies?
It's the Russian airspace, Chinese airlines don't have to go around. Plus Chinese airlines are cheaper due to labor cost!
Chinese do not demands exorbitant salary like westerners.
@@lancewood1410 Because they are poorer, yes.
and subsidies
@@cia5649 Boeing and Airbus get subsidies too.
At the moment, Western wages no longer match their real level.
Because sanction other also means sanction your own
The dummies in Brussels and the masters in DC didn’t consider sanctions boomeranging on them.
Simple, it's cheaper to fly Air China. No need for foreign company's.
Foreign flight will doomed once China fight taking over the world!
No one wants to go to China
Absolutely
Air China is the only airline flying from China to Wuhan and Wuhan back to China
Chinese carriers will 100% enjoy this gap
Meanwhile CA increased their flights from PEK to SIN. 😂😂
Or the EU could ban them like they did with Russian carriers.
@cainneachdaugherty7172 why would they?
@@mwd331 For the same reasons.
@@cainneachdaugherty7172 the EU banned Russia due to war in Ukraine, what did China do?
Avoiding Russian airspace does NOT help Ukraine in any way, but it hurts western carriers, and rewards Chinese airlines. That's the net result.
It's called sunctions 😅 US sunctions against EU economy
@@annalehman93941You got the point 😂 This is the main reason why there is Ukraine Russia War. But Europe is not in power anymore, so Europe has to be drawn into the war.
its flights *to* china. Flights *from* china is obviously cheaper for obvious reasons.
You don’t understand. The West banned Russia from their airspace so Russia banned the West. They have to avoid it of be legally shot down. China has not banned Russians from their airspace so Chinese planes are free to fly over Russia. Every action has consequences- John Wick.
Fair enough if demand and profitability not there then why do it
Please do NOT be misled by this channel out to smear China. Please read StraitsTimes dated Mar 22, 2024 for the real reason the flights were suspended.
Because China flights are taking over 😂
Ticket fares are just too expensive 😂 resulted in no demands. Greedy doesn't pay😝
No demand to go to China. No one is going going to that dumpster
Il save you 3.5mins.....they cant fly over russia. Enjoy your day
That's only part of the story. Avoiding Russian airspace doesn't explain why Qantas and Singapore Airlines reduced or cut their flights to China...
@@SimpleFlyingNewsTo compare the China airlines ticket price with others, you may understand something more.
Remember, Russia did ban any countries from using their airspace, it the western governments that decided not to fly over russia
@@SimpleFlyingNews another reason is chinese tourists prefer travelling domestically after the pandemic, in 2019, 180 million chinese tourists travelled outside of China, in 2023 alone, 260 million visited Xinjiang
@@SimpleFlyingNews customer will choose one among multiple airlines and stay with their choice even in next flights. If they take the chinese airlines, then less customers with Qantas or Singapore's.
Prior to the pandemic it was so easy to book flights to Asian destinations from LAX on Chinese carriers for less than $800. Those days are long gone.
Seems like white countries caused political issue though especially with chinese airlines keep expanding in asian and african countries. But in the end international=anglo countries for typical global news purpose.
For European airlines, just failed in the price competition
Because of external factors beyond their control, and chinese home market advantage
WHAT price competition?? How is ANY Western privately owned airlines going to win price competition against airlines owned by big dictatorial governments like China??
Customers prefer the shorter route
Well, price and Timetable will cause low willingness to fly with European and American Airlines even for European and American passengers.
My experience: in January price of Taiwanese airline direct to Taiwan from Australia is 2,400 AUD but fly with Chinese airlines via China only cost 600 AUD
Chinese airlines have lowest price and more flexible schedule.
Singapore airlines was documentation probelm. They have resumed chengdu and chongqing
Please do NOT be misled by this channel out to smear China. Please read StraitsTimes dated Mar 22, 2024 for the real reason the flights were suspended. Yes, SIA has daily flights to Chengdu and THRICE WEEKLY flights to Chongqing.
The European airlines that cannot fly through Rusia airspace, will have much longer flight, need more fuel, more dangerous, and more expensive tickets.
Chinese airlines can fly through Rusia airspace which definitely save travel time, save fuel, safer, and can sell much less expensive tickets.
Check Finnair polar route to Tokyo))) it's 4 hours longer))))))
@@freeloader247but they erase swastikas from their aircrafts didn't they?
Because they can't fly through Russia, making other airlines more competitive than theirs.
Is not Russia. It's the western government banning their own airliner to fly over russia
If you can’t win them, ban them.
Chinese airlines will start to grow, now. Chinese airlines will also be cheaper than western airlines.
This is where the stupidity of their politicians come to bite them.
Cmon, let’s say it altogether: GEOPOLITICS!!!
Love or hate China
You still have to depend on China
Not anymore 🤣🤣🤣💀
@@mikestewart4752the irony between you and your pfp
If you dont do China, you are sadness
China, Numba Wan
@@hectorar7890said by the guy who eats chinese statistics whole without question
Just like the auto industry in China, most legacy makers are losing market share so fast that they will go bankrupt in the next few years. Most Chinese now prefer to buy Chinese cars/evs than foreign brands. The same can be said about the airline industry.
This is called shooting on your own foot.😂
also ba even downsized the aircraft on lhr-hkg. It is now 772 or 789 when it used to be A388 at one point in time
China's local market is already very HUGE, the effect will be minimal. There will always be other airlines that will replace those who left. If anyone needs to go China, they will find ways and means, no?
well chinese airlines still fly to most destinations in Australia and they are adding capacity. so mean demand is there msot westerners are now even taking chinese airlines due to lack of other options
International airlines must blame their own government and politicians, nothing else
Some Chinese carriers like Cathay Pacific Can fly over Russian airspace unlike western carriers.
I think it only happens on certain routes like JFK, YYZ, BOS, ORD to HKG. It can only happen in one direction. The plane will avoid Russian airspace in the opposite direction. Typically Cathay Pacific flights will also avoid Russian airspace when flying to Europe.
@@nateshi4445 Same with some Hainan airlines routes
Cathy is not chinese
@@13jugneshmachhi77 hawaiian is not american than
@@13jugneshmachhi77now it is
Well, that was 3:26 of nothing.
If customers were choosing EU carriers and eating the additional cost to go to the PRC, does this implicitly mean the customer experience on EU carriers was preferred?
Ano stop distorting the truth, ain’t nobody chyna
Your report is inaccurate. I just came back from China and airports and carriers are packed,
though the self-imposed gaps you mention, along with higher jet fuel costs, are filled by Chinese carriers, Emirates & Co.
It's not inaccurate just EU-centric, like EU is the centre of the world like XIX century
This is not bad for Chinese airlines, but may not good for travelers.
How about the reason for SQ?
And qantas?
Same reason, direct subsidy.
@@derekpacific Qantas uses the older A330 on Shanghai route, just can't compete with China Eastern which flies the newer A350 and has cheaper fares
Commenters seem to be noting that Chinese airlines could be having their routes also highly subsidized in addition to airspace issues. If true, the video really should mention it.
@@fandyllic1975 According to South China morning Post's article on June 4th 2024. Regional carrier Joy Air has filed three lawsuits since the start of the year against three local governments, with two concerning overdue subsidies.
YiCai Global's article in February 3rd 2023 reported that the city of Xiamen plans another round of subsidies to help spur the recovery in overseas air travel.
These are just small example.
Other airlines can fly through Russian air space but they self imposed the no fly policy.
Delta flys from Seattle to Shanghai Daily
Weak travel demand is precedent. Why would anyone want to visit there for leisure?
China got 35 million foreign tourists in 2023 and 65 million in 2019. Lots of people travel to China for leisure.
Western Airlines can no longer to compete haha
Your explanation doesn't tell us why Qantas and Singapore are cutting their flights
Because they are US's bros
@@PublicPost-jq1qk puppy you mean ...
The real reason is that Chinese airlines are using their excess capacities of wide-body jets to open up lots of new European and Australian destinations. This surplus results from the low recovery rate of the once lucrative China-US flights. (~30% of pre-pandemic level). Consequently, they only care about keeping their aircrafts in the sky, less so the profitability. Therefore, they can offer far more competitive fares than their European counterparts, driving them out of the Chinese market.
3hours+transfer+13hours flight costs 750 pounds versus 9.5 hours direct flight with 400 pounds, which one do you choose?
the sanction backfire to their face.
It’s not about airspace closure it’s that Russia has banned western airlines and their allied country of origin in the ban
Yeah, and that is closed airspace!
@@johnhaan986 closed means it is prohibited to all.
It's was nato first that ban all flight to russia
Wrong, it's the western sanction that prevents flying over russia. Russia did not ban any countries from flying over russia
What about Singapore Airlines? There are many Chinese Malaysians living in Singapore which require travel demand, they don't need the Russian airspace and there aren't political tensions between the two sides comparing to Japan and American allies, etc.
Thanks for global geopolitic....division and isolation will drive us away....think about cold war, this tine is much worse that last time...
Well. Enjoy your sanctions. Why do you complain?
AMS-PKX flights with CZ are the cheapest long haul flights Ive seen! Incredible price difference to Western carriers
Why don’t European airlines fly over the Atlantic and the pacific? Then they would avoid the whole Russian airspace thing
still further, also more risk of flying over water, hard to secure safe landing if encountering problems
Low demand is just bsnarrative. Demand is higher than ever
When I first saw the video, I thought it was sanctions
There is no Russian airspace from Singapore and Australia
still Chiese carriers offer lower price
Good move just make sure you don't crawl back
The air routes over the Arabian Gulf are already too busy. If there is another war involving Iran, European airlines will cancel almost all flights to Asia.🙁
Qantas never had Sydney to Beijing since the pandemic, it was syd to Shanghai suspended.
Sort of similar reason why only Chinese fleets can cross the Hormutz safely these days, right?
I've been trying to book Europe to Far East flights for days and all available cheaper flights were on Chinese carrier. Not wanting to fly Chinese carriers, I chose to book longer flights through the Middle East. This video explains why western airlines cost so much mora than Chinese airlines.
Chinese airlines are fine. 40% cheaper on average, faster and honestly similar level of service or better than most European airlines. And far better than stopping over in Dubai or Anu Dhabi in the middle of the night
SQ was not able to receive timely approvals/renewals for airport slots. Red Tape with Chinese Airport Authorities and with the Chinese Aviation Govt Agency.
Well, Chinese Airlines: 550€
Lufthansa: 1000€
Thankfully United has slowly reduced the fare for its nonstop from SF to Shanghai and I am back on my way there and happy to return to enjoy life there.
Obviously can’t compete…..no great loss
Qantas charges 3 times what China Eastern charges for the Sydney-Shanghai route. No wonder Qantas stopped.
Simple- Can't fly through Russia except Chinese and Indian Airlines.
I flew Shanghai to Frankfurt return recently with China Eastern over Mongolia 🇲🇳 & Russia--smooth trip !
If our legislators seriously know how geographically large Russia is… 😂
This does not make economical sense😂
Only do Chinese airlines fly over Russian airspace. It means less time and less money for passengers and competitiveness for chinese carriers.
Oh no, it's gonna cost so much more to fly there for business
Alot more Chinese tourists want to go to Europe compared to Europeans wanting to go to China.
how about Qantas and SA？ their routes to China don’t need Russian airspace
Because they cannot compete with Chinese airlines...
should ban all flights transiting Russia from landing in Western airports
Western airlines raised white flags and threw in white towels.
How about Chinese carriers from China to these regions?
Making things cheaper and affordable is sinful. People just love to be slaves and they dont want to be freed.
Why Qantas?
because most western airlines are not competitive. just cannot compete with asians
😂 because China airlines can fly over Russia territory to save fuel. That’s it.
And time
This is one example of sanctions having no impact on economy. On the other hand it improvs for some countries. Western shortsightedness is hilarious.
Should just cancel the routes.
weak travel demand?!
Chinese airlines can use russian airspace so they are raking it. Less travel time for passengers.
Lots of Chinese Tourist in Thailand
Unfortunately Rude Arrogant People
@@mikethompson3534 typical western perspective. There are some rude arrogant tourists from China or elsewhere, but most of the tourists are not rude and arrogant people
@@mikethompson3534
Do you know how the term Ugly American originated? What is its definition?
@@mikethompson3534 The US and its allies continue to smear China. If their people go to China, they will know the truth and know that they are deceived. If they are not allowed to go to China, then the lies will not be exposed.
Chinese tourists have much better manner than those westerners in Thailand, who likes to taking illegal drugs and always get drunk😂@@mikethompson3534
Chinese airlines are serving their needs well, no need for non competitive non Chinese airlines.
All these airlines have not reduced flights to Japan, Taiwan, Korea or other destinations despite having to avoid Russian airspace. That tells me that the main reason is reduced passenger interest in China.
Before the pandemic, China used to offer highly subsidized vacation packages to China, but since the pandemic, despite similar offers being available earlier on, there was little interest. Now it's pretty much dried up.
Chinese airlines will get more passengers because they can carry Chinese passengers to destinations around the world.
Not profitable
So many propaganda against China
no business, simple.
is it really the russian airspace closure and the detour that increases the cost? Because IIRC russia charged exobitantly high fee for the priviledge of overflying their airspace so much so that perhaps detour won't add significant cost if any
Chinese airlines are flying over Russia. So is Air India on the way to destinations in Europe.
Also I notice that airlines of many countries, even the USA, are now flying over Afghanistan. Presumably they are paying fees to the government there, that in most cases their own countries' governments do not recognise.
Air China is the best, simple because it is not American.
It's USA's sanctions preventing flying over Russia. Not Russia.
Those planes were made by Boeing.
little-India was made by the British-Raj.
British Airways, Qantas Airways and Virgin Atlantic Airways Cah Start More International Flights ✈️ to Singapore ✈️ 🛳 🇸🇬 Alternative abd other South East Asia destinations like Bangkok, Phuket, Thailand 🇹🇭, Malaysia 🇲🇾, Philippines 🇵🇭 ,Vietnam etc
The EU lost cheap Russian oil and airspace. 🤣🤣🤣
The West sanctions itself 😂
No, the west sanctions bad actors. If there is some spillover it is worth it
Travellers prefeer cheaper air line so SIA and Quantas lose the market share to China .
WESTERN COMPANIES CAN NOT COMPETE AGAINST CHINESE COMPANIES..THIS MEANS MORE BUSINESS FOR CHINESE AIR LINE COMPANIES.
Security law
advantages for chinese airline. 👍👍👍👍😍😍😍😍🙏🙏🙏🙏
Self inflicted.
Hope Monkeypox wouldn't affect this
it's called mpox, please don't be racist.
@@pondeify LOL
How is monkeypox racist? It’s spread to Sweden and the subcontinent.
Simple... Because Daddy USA will be Angry 😡😡😡
Angry about what? Delta and United both fly from the US.
That’s right. Who’s your daddy lol
That's why a harmony around the globe is priority issue to solve first among others