Daybell Trial Day 18: One of Their Inner Circle Friends Get IMMUNITY to Testify Against Daybell
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Immunity makes her MORE credible, because she can't get in trouble - so she may as well tell the truth...the whole TRUTH.
yesss
Pete!! I’ve been SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS!!!! When Alex FIRST DIED! “Chad and Lori were going to make Alex OUT TO BE THEIR FALL GUY! BOOM!! Mic 🎤 Drop!”
...and nothing but the truth, so help her God.
She can get In Trouble for perjury and Lieing under oath
@@katsluluhe was the actual killer of multiple people he’s not the fall guy he’s the murderer
Zulema told way more truth then either of the Melanie’s
Agree.
Absolutely
I don’t think MG was trusted with the big things. If she was Chad wouldn’t have told Zulema that he wanted to tell her something after MG left. Mg would have known that JJ was dead & would’ve gotten a different response from Lori when asking where JJ was.
Melaniece is still covering her butt “I can’t recall”
As a juror, i would put more weight to believe a witness with immunity. Especially in a case like this.
Me too
Good point.
Me too.
Absolutely yes!!
Me too!
Let the jury vote if Chad has gone dark and his body will no longer be alive
Good one! But they’d have to do a casting for the second part, vote not enough.
Hahaha
Her testimony is still a BIG problem for Chad.
I agree
Chad should have taken a plea deal.
I agree, prior is trying so hard to make out Chad did nothing…. I’m sure the jury will see through his B.S.
With immunity, I feel Zulema is more credible.
Yep. Interesting. And nobody did or knew nothing, throwing N E body under the bus to save their own hinnies.😮
What's interesting is that Zulema seemed to be the only one in that group that held a job.
My exact thoughts today, like it seems no one ever worked in that circle of "friends"
she was also the only non -white in the group
But They wanted her to leave her life behind
So she could be at their dumb level
🤣😂🤣So true. I was holding my breath when her employment history was questioned. With Prior panting in anticipation I really hoped she wasn’t a basket weaver.
❤️all basket weavers btw😉
Alex had a job
Why lie, she already has amunity. Found her very creditable.
Even if Zulema was involved, that doesnt make Chad any less guilty. What a waste of everyone's time.
The whole point of this is not to point the finger at Zulema, the point was to determine who was steering the bus. Prior wants to make it look like someone else, anyone else, was the mastermind besides Chad, and I think Zulema makes it pretty clear Chad was running the show.
I don’t think her testimony was a waste of time. It was another closely invoked person confirming chad was the main director of all of their nonsense
I think JP proved he's taking a Jose Baez approach. Hopefully the jury could see that all of his tactics were for stalling purposes
I found Zulema credible. I don’t know if she had any involvement in the murders but I do think she knows a lot more than she’s admitting to. Her getting immunity has no bearing in my mind!
@lindseystein9676 no I meant him trying so hard to impeach her over small details. I'm glad she testified, even if it was only to get immunity and get herself off the hook for the role she played. Personally I thought they had enough evidence to charge her and Gobb, too, but Chad and Lori were most important, so I guess they didn't want to take any chances.
What a sight to behold; adults who are about the business of spiritual larping, casting spells like they're on recess, to a tragic and deadly end. I bet Chad's mom is really proud. My heart goes out to the victims who lost their lives at the hands of these clowns who lost their minds.
These adults clearly had too much time on their hands.
Spiritual larping? That's hilarious. Great material. 😆 I'm going to have to use that one.
And you're spot on
Witches😮
Alleged Christian faith people casting spells, determining who lives and dies, fraud, murder for money and convenience.
It’s all cut from the same cloth of Joseph Smith. So yes, it’s ridiculous, but it’s also familiar to them. Ruby Franke and the hundreds of other LDS cult branch offs all rework Joseph Smith’s old tricks into their new “revelations”. Before JS was a self proclaimed prophet of God, he was conman who used magical rituals and glass looking (getting answers from crystal balls, clear rocks etc.) He’d put his seer stone (his magic rock) into a top hat, put his face over the opening of the hat and gaze down at the rock while seeking answers. The rock would glow and reveal the location of lost objects or hidden treasure. He later used this same trick to translate Book of Mormon. The entire LDS faith was built off magical thinking and occult ritual, with some help from Freemason ritual/ceremony (temple rituals, garments, symbolism etc)
Daybell borrowed from all the reptilian BS, remaking that “successful” belief system to fit his own BS by calling them zombies. Light/dark high vibration/low vibration
The state didn’t ask Zulema who told her and Alex to get married…It was Chad.
Excellent point!
Melanie also married Ian? shortly after they met…
@@soude85 yes like 10 or 30 days later
Lets be honest. All these people knew what was going on, and no one called the police at any time. They even lied to the police at first.
Thank Goodness for IAN!!!!
I don’t think MG and David were trusted enough to know everything. David was skeptical of Chad & MG talked too much so couldn’t be trusted to keep the bigger secrets. That’s why Chad wouldn’t tell Zulema that with MG there.
I don’t think that all of them knew! Chad & Lori were after the $$ and loved the adoration from their followers!
Their level of evilness is almost beyond comprehension
@@rhondasisco-cleveland2665 Good point regarding MG.
If I was a juror and I heard someone was given immunity I would think they are more credible. They have to tell the truth or that immunity is gone.
Zulema’s response to the attempted impeachment by Prior seemed reasonable and almost made her more credible, to me. She agreed with something that made her look bad.
I agree. I like the way she replied that the police were helping her to combat exactly how he was trying to discredit her. Well done. Buh bye Chad
Agree....plus idk if I'm bias from watching so much trial/court/true crime stuff but I have it in my head that if course the detectives are going to try to get a star witnesses story as tight as they can in anticipation of trial/defence. That doesn't seem strange to me at all. Plus it def helped (in my eyes) that she was straight forward & owned that like @MyMiracleMomma said
Great witness for the state imo
I watched Nate Eatons report and he said when Pryor goes after Zulema, they were over it. They were tired of his badgering.
They zoned out! I seen his recap also!
Yes nate and that but didn't know for sure. That was his guess. He also stated they seemed tired.
@@ldp4520only because he is putting doubt in their mind and making their decision harder.
ZULEMA SAVED HER OWN A$$ on that stand today!!!! She knew that Alex & his children were going to die. She knew Tammy was going to die. She knew Alex was going to kill himself. She could have saved many lives!!! Everybody is singing her praises and all I have for her is Rage.
If you believe Alex killed himself you're more gullible than what they appear to say they are.
Completely agree with you @ColleenMarie111 Zulema gives it all the sweet and innocent, but she is far from that.
She knew the plan was for the darks to 'die' even if she doesn't use that word.
Seriously, cannot deal with grown women who try to sound like a naive child when they talk!
All these ladies, the 2 Melanie's, zulema and maybe one or two more were fully involved, I even think Chad used zulema to get rid of Alex and now it was time to get rid of her as a witness but they got caught and she really became a witness.
Agree! And I don’t believe that massage story of hers. She’s was playing along to save herself because she knew she was in deep sh%t!
@@hannakhan3982she cremated him
I find her totally credible. She said when Alex was in the hospital she was very upset and couldn’t remember specifics but later she could. I find that completely understandable.
I think that even though, she and Alex barely knew each other when they got married, she grew to really love her. I think that Alex was manipulated by Lori and Chad.
Zulema presents as a simple person who was a victim of circumstances. Personally, the fact that she has immunity tells me that she has a wealth of important and damning information, which in my mind makes her more credible. She didnt shy away from any of her own missteps in questioning, which bulsters that belief for me. As for Prior's questioning of her preparation, it felt like he was bullying a victim here and, to me, it made it appear that he was scared of her.
Alex died in her bathroom. I think it was either suicide or Zulema poisoned him
@@sew161Alex died from something he either took in Mexico or brought back from Mexico. The same something he gave to Tammy and the nosy neighbor. Alex took that knowledge to the grave with him because toxicology hasn't been able to identify the substance.
💯 agree
@@Txfreeandlovenit the only thing Alex did in Mexico was to have free out of guilt sinful s e x. All he brought home was an empty un loaded Alex. Nothing from Mexico killed him. Ok? Ok.
She presents as simple but I reckon she's crazy like a 🦊
Prior is gonna have to deal with some inconsistencies of his own if Chad's kids testify...
This is the best response ever!!!!!
💯!!
True!
Yep! Let’s see how those “none of them were rated dark” children testify.
spot on. stairs/no stairs...calling around about charles at the funeral home. numerous versions of numerous events. oh and cashing in of life insurance to frolic on the beach.
She’s got immunity because she’s in danger of prosecution, increases her credibility
Means she’s got the good stuff.
Would getting immunity be able to get you off being prosecuted for a murder?
Good question!
@@justatexasgirl5583 I would think so. Immunity is immunity.
Yes, when you’re granted immunity, you are protected from prosecution. The State offers this deal for witnesses whose testimony will have a strong chance for getting a conviction for the person being tried. As an B insider and part of the Chad and Lori inner circle, she knows a lot of stuff. She is protected as long as she testifies truthfully and does not perjure herself. Prior will try every means he can to have her testimony impeached.
I can't help but think Chad and Lori convinced Alex to OD. Lori said in her sentencing "suicides happen", that was outside of the narrative. Just always stood out to me. Natural causes seems way too easy based on the timing.
I thought the same thing
There’s NO WAY he didn’t take something. Maybe a poison from Mexico. If you remember, he went to Mexico like two days or the day before. Something that traditionally wouldn’t be checked for.
what did he buy in Mexico? was there a toxicology report performed ?
@@karinamadeus6418 they didn’t say but Zulema made it clear that he left to Mexico and came back sick. He did have an autopsy but I don’t think it was in-depth
@@karinamadeus6418 I don’t know to both of those questions. But, I think it is an important question. I’m pretty sure he was cremated so no going back now. He either took a poison herb or something or literally died from his body saying “no, dude”
Zulema is doing her best to tell the truth. Remember it’s been years. She’s clearly a vulnerable individual.
She killed Alex and had him cremated
I feel like Chad knew all along it was all a lie. But he had his own real life dungeons and dragons game going and was getting off on seeing these people do what he told them to do. I think he got a sick thrill off the murders.
Yes why else would he be moving permanently to Hawaii and continue to write books. He made it up as he went along. Sheesh !
I recall at one time Lori said they would “unlive” the body.
And making $ off deaths ie Tammys at the tune of $430k
Chad always came across as an awkward doughy perv. Visions?🤣
Yeah…144,000 of them living in tents. With no actual doors with deadbolts there’d be a sea of sister-wives where he could play god & repopulate (his) world🤢
@@lindastewart6537: But I can’t find even one example when Jesus cast out demons that the person died; on the contrary, they were made whole. But apparently when Joseph Smith followers cast the demons put, the poor people who are tormented by them have to die. , or be helped to die… Quite a difference, no?😊
My one overwhelming take away from this case is that if I'm ever charged with a traffic misdemeanor or a dog tag violation, I would pray devotedly that the female prosecutor (Lindsey?) would not be my prosecutor, or I'd be likely to get a life sentence, if not the death penalty! She is SO prepared, so able, and unrelenting! Amazing!!!
Immunity does not give her less credibility. She has nothing to lose by telling the truth.
Most of us who have followed this case from the beginning, all said both Melanie’s and Zulema knew more and were involved. To finally learn as a fact Zulema received immunity was golden.
I think that Zulema and Gibb were both naive and vulnerable. They both did stuff that was legally questionable but didn’t understand that it was actually harmful. They each had a sudden realization, ‘OMG, people are dying’ and decided, ‘I am OUT’
Lori saying to the person on the phone that he cannot do anything on his own says a lot about how involved she was with the deaths. I don’t think she would talk like that to Chad.
100% agree that Chad and Lori used Alex as their hands-on assassin. Legally, they are all equally guilty even if only one of them suffocated JJ and/or Tammy (and/or killed Tylee by whatever method).
@@Katprint absolutely! They used Alex to do the dirty work! It’s so insane.
100%
@sheilar8263 Alex may have had mental illnesses and they took incredible advantage of him. Can't understand Lori for not seeming to have any problem with what she did except get caught
@3ForestAnimals Lori and Alex have a long history of psychotic behavior. I suspect they had something to do with prompting the end of Lori's third husband, Tylee's father. That triggered her need for Redemption and is why she threw herself into a religious fervor.
Peter left out the best part at the end where the Prosecutor asked her about an interview at the hospital when doctors were working on her husband who had stopped breathing. No wonder she couldn’t remember the interview & State ended it in that note that he died.
Yes! I just commented about that too
I must have missed that interview, what was in it?
I agree! Wonder why he left that out?
I find Zulema very credible. I also see a big difference in her from a year ago when she testified at Lori's trial. She was very frightened, time away from all this madness she has been de-programmed.
I agree she is a much stronger witness in this trial.
Agree! She held her ground and did not allow Prior twist her statement or words. She even questioned him a couple of times
That's interesting. She did seem more afraid of testifying against Lori than she does of Chad. I always wonder what's going on in the background with this crew. They are so shady.
@windywednesday4166 Yes, if I remember correctly, Lori threatened her. Or was that another gal that wanted to leave, and Lori threatened to cut her up?
No. She’s still slow
I was a juror on a different case in this courthouse a couple of weeks ago. Our instructions from the judge said we could believe some or all of a witness’s testimony. Since she was in the room for a lot of what happened, I would have to say, she probably knows the truth. And yes, there was some self preservation in her motives but I would tend to my believe “most” of what she said.
All Prior did was prove to me Zulema was embarrassed to tell the cops she believed all of this. Same with Gibb. She drips in not taking accountability for what she believed. You can feel the second hand embarrassment.
I don’t think anyone in Chad’s inner circle had jobs
Zulema was the only one working, oh and Ian.....Melanie P’s husband.
zulema and Audrey worked
Charles did, tammy did, Alex did(before they told him to move), Tylee did. Interesting.
If Chad had actually had a job, he wouldn’t have had time for this nonsense and fooling around with Lori. He was a leech, milking Tammy for cash flow and medical benefits. He made up the religious junk to entice the starry-eyed Lori into his fantasy world.
@@dakalodkWho is Audrey? I haven’t followed this trial as much as I followed Lori’s, I’m just ready for this trial to be over, Cad found guilty and sentenced to the death penalty.
Wait. Does anyone else think that they had Zulema marry Alex so she couldn’t testify against him if they successfully made him the fall guy? I think that was their plan. Hmmmmm
That or life insurance.
Oh yeah very interesting 🤔 thought.
@@KBtx23did Alex have life insurance?
@@peanutbutter46464 I’m sure someone knows. I don’t. Great question.
Life insurance as well 💯
Immunity deals usually require you to tell the whole truth or the deal is off the table. She wouldn’t want to risk that.
Body’s found on Chad’s property, not hers. Chad’s the obvious ringleader, she’s a mixed up deceived follower. I believe she told the truth about Chad, however, likely knows more than she’s bringing up to protect herself. The purpose of immunity is to catch the worst of the bunch, right? That’s Chad, not her. Of course she’s not an angel &/or completely innocent or she wouldn’t require immunity. Doesn’t make Chad any less guilty. I think the jury’s smart enough to know the difference. Discredit her all you want, this was a bad day in court for Chad!
Honestly as a juror it has to do with how I feel about the defense, prosecution, and defendant. So after 18 days I would believe her
This was one of the most painful cross-examinations yet. Prior is exhausting! It makes me wonder if he is playing dumb or actually this bad at his job? Also, what is with the prosecution objecting to Prior's question, the court sustaining it, then Prior asking the exact same question again, and when the prosecutor objects again, it's overruled?? This happens over and over. Make it make sense.
Sometimes he/they change the question just slightly so it will pass.
Prior hasn't got much to work with. If you were defending Chad, what would your strategy be?
@@Katprinttotally agree
The jurors must be fed up with Prior by now.
If we (watching and listening) are fed up with Prior, I would suspect the jury is too. The more Proir pushes the point and fails, the more gulity Chad looks. And the more the jury is probably tuning out Prior.
Lindsay Blake was on fire 🔥
My first feeling is she would be prosecuted for her involvement if she hadn’t cooperated, so her immunity means she very likely knows vital information.
I still find her testimony pretty credible bc it’s in line with other testimony we have heard. Also, fundamental religious beliefs are often based on a persons interpretation. I grew up LDS and I’ve been confused by most of Priors religious questions.
Me too. Any religion that uses the New Testament will recognize the highly used metaphor of light and dark. It's a metaphor. Only.
I am amazed how Lori's kids were dark but Chad's were light.
Well that was a Freudian slip from Prior. We all know he’s attacking and now he has announced it out loud. Sigh.
Could you tell us all what it was.....?😵💫
I thought the same thing!
As a juror I would think she is more credible because she can tell the truth without fear of being in trouble, if a person has immunity that means they have no reason to lie on the stand, yeah she doesn’t look like a smart, loyal person who you should trust with your deepest secrets but unfortunately they allowed her in to their small circle and now she is spilling all the tea!
In essence, fortunately for all of us that she was in their inner circle!
Unfortunately? Would you have preferred if they got away with it?
@@MiMi-js5nw I’m saying that as unfortunately for them, not as in unfortunately for the public, the family members seeking justice etc.
I'm 50/50 on Zulema
I think she came across very convincingly and if I were a juror, I would believe her. Her testimony was extremely useful and necessary in order to convict Chad.
The defense attorney has a very creepy voice, in a dark way. I can imagine hearing his voice in a horror movie, terrorizing somebody in a psychopathic way.
🎯
I don't think that John Pryor is a psychopath, but he is definitely a narcissistic personality with a pathological lack of honesty, empathy, culture and good manners. Pryor is constantly dishonest, he is very primitive, he is highly disrespectful of the victims, he is cruel, he is highly misogynist, he is sl*t shaming Lori, he is fat shaming Tammy, he is insulting JJ and Tylee as "acting out" and "difficult," he is highly manipulative - and I guess that by now the jury knows all of this.
You should search his name for charges in the early 2000’s. I don’t think he is a nice man at all.
Could we maybe stop calling someone dark/light…?!😑
It also weirds me out how much he sounds like Alex Baldwin!
I feel she would be more truthful because she did get immunity.
I think prior hurt his own credibility with the stairs in the home thing. He’s shown he will misconstrue the truth to invalidate a witness and as a juror, I would think he’s just doing the same thing with Zulema
When Melanie P was being questioned yesterday, the subject of Brandon being shot at never came up. Was that topic prohibited for some reason?
Great question.
It did come up but extremely briefly. It then came up again when her husband, Ian I think is his name, testified.
Good question. I would guess it's outside the scope of this investigation as Chad either isn't being charged with that or the charges will be filed in another state. ❤
I wonder if she can take the 5th for any of those questions since she has been implicated? They can’t subpoena her and interview her about her knowledge of other crimes that she many have been involved in
I wonder if AZ will charge Melanie P after this trial. I think she’s really worried about that
Blake clarified what statements were inconsistent and it was only abt and around Alex death and Tammy body being exhumed. So it turned out to be a nothing burger
What does immunity makee think? Finally! Someone who isn't covering their own butt and telling the truth. Good for her.
Credibility of someone clearly involved in this whole sad affair would obviously be a concern. And immunity for such a person brings a perceived impression to court. Getting the stories “straight” to me means that having been offered immunity she can then be more truthful than before that was offered. Human nature is to protect oneself and with that need to be self protective alleviated, much more information can be elicited that is truthful.
I thought getting the stories “straight” could be just going over the differences - most of us tell stories a bit differently each time we repeat them. Zulema could have just said different things to various people and as the realization of the truth dawned on her. If I was just starting to realize that my close friends and husband were doing horribly illegal things, I might tend to not be too up front with that at first.
She did not flinch. I believe her because I think there is a lot more pressure when you are sitting in the courtroom then in an interrogation room. Not saying you should lie. She was calm cool and collected .
If I was on the jury I would think the police were telling Zulema that she needed to review her testimony and determine what the truth was. They weren't telling her to lie but simply make sure everything lined up and accurate. The police would have told he what to say if they were coaching her
Totally credible, especially when the prosecution clarified that the inconsistencies came on the day her husband died
We don't know, and I don't believe it was brought out, WHEN she was offered immunity...... if it was BEFORE this recorded interview, then they were just trying to clarify the potential cross examination she would be subjected to. In any event, Tammy, JJ, and Tylee were NOT obstacles in her life.... only in Chad and Lori's. So I think she is credible, and it also wasn't clear what type of immunity she was offered...like was it he same as wendi adelson ? (who could not be charged on the basis of her testimony at trial) but could subsequently be charged on other evidence if produced.
listening to trials helps you understand how easy we as humans are to manipulate. under the right circumstances, any of us could be a victim of someone who misuses their authority.
Perhaps but we are not all as likely to be manipulated to hurt children and innocent adults.
BINGO!!! It is SO true!!! When the perpetrator figures out your Achilles heel they play on your fears. It’s scary. None of us are immune. 💔 (I was recently scammed over the phone. Never would I had thought this could happen to me. 😔)
@@idahardy4052TOTALLY!!!
u have to willing to be manipulated
We are all being manipulated daily…by entertainment programming, the government, big pharma, advertising…our society is built on manipulation. Sadly most people haven’t a clue it’s happening.
IMO, Prior has lost ALL credibility with the paintball recording and the stairs debacle on a property he owns. So, the fact he keeps badgering people about lying is duplicitous and disgusting.
I agree that immunity is allowing her to be free to talk about all this truthfully. I look at her inconsistency as trying to protect herself, minimize all she knew.
I would believe her more since she got immunity
I believe her more because she had immunity personally
I do too... She has nothing to lose by telling all the details. She said a lot of things that most would keep to themselves
@@Hadacattoo2 absolutely and it made me frustrated with both Melanie’s for not being more transparent and honest. I’m happy Zulema was offered immunity though because it gave someone freedom to speak the truth
My question is "Why would she need immunity if she did not do anything wrong?"
@@bettnortabsolutely!
We dont really know if she did anything wrong or not. IF you need immunity, it technicallt means that what you did or participated in is potentially criminal and prosecuted by law, IMO
Shoot! I would need more than immunity if I was tangled up with those whackos I would be scared for my life!! and the lives of anybody in my family. You never know what they were capable of doing? Not that I would ever even contemplate being with anybody like them.😢
It doesn't mean the friends are guilty, there may be knowledge that can incriminate themselves by their close association. It's not like she has a police record. You can take your chances with LE but I've seen enough in my life where I'd want a lawyer and immunity also.
Because its a "conspiracy"charge.... she only had to REFRAIN from acting to be included in the conspiracy, right?
I wonder if Alex helped Chad to smother Tammy.
I think so
I think so too.
All attorneys walk the person through the best way to say something.
Casting to kill people sounds like the Dark Arts
Right? You leave this stuff to God, you don't pretend you are God! Huge Red Flag. I don't trust any of these people. The whole scam is these people that claim they have a pipeline to God telling them things and selling you stuff. 🙄
She may have been granted immunity, but I do not think she killed the kids or tammy
Not having participated in the killings but knowing about them and doing/saying nothing is almost as bad. Even if you believe in all this Zombie and possession nonsense how can you think it’s actually ok to kill that person. Taking a life is not right no matter what your beliefs. It’s scary to think so many of them were so gullible
@@50angeleyes agreed
I was thinking the nail was in the coffin with her testimony
Her immunity makes her more credible. She has no reason to lie.
Nate Eaton said the majority of jurors were disengaged and not taking notes during Prior’s cross. One had eyes closed, 2-3 looked visibly bored.
Zulema on fast forward felt more normal, a much more palatable pace for me. Lol Thanks LYK. I think she's one of the most impactful witnesses in trying Chad as the ringleader of these Dark 6: 30 celestial circle jerks.
Choice of vocabulary could affect the perception of the Zulema/LE interview. “Reconcile” hits differently than all the other terminology…nowhere near as nefarious as “get your story straight”, etc. If there were inconsistencies in her various statements and she was due to testify, it makes sense to me that LE would want to clarify any vagueness or misunderstanding, to eliminate defence attack points. It does not mean, to me anyway, that she was coached. If detectives were concerned about getting her ready to testify without impeachment, I can’t imagine they would make the mistake of actually coaching her on video, knowing that would be exposed at trial.
Alex obviously knew his sister's pattern with men. She had been married several times before she met Chad. All of those relationships ended in messy ways which enriched Lori. Did Lori ever have a real job or any sort of career? She seems to be the kind of woman who preys on men and makes them support her, financially. Serially. Alex would know that and so would his wife, presumably. Murder for money is nothing new. While I have serious doubts that Zulema is telling the whole story, for her own selfish reasons, she has filled in a few blanks in this case. Too few. Better than none.
She definitely falls into the Black Widow category.
Right? IIRC, Alex spent time in jail / prison for assault for trying to kill her third husband! Tylee's father, the one with the court ordered life insurance policy.
Lori worked briefly as a hairstylist . Her and Charles tried to run a juice bar in Hawaii but that failed . Thats when they needed Joe Ryan life insurance money . She only had high school education . her only way to make money was insurance .
@@dakalodkso it was in that time they lose their business then Jo Ryan dies right after that? Do you think Charles knew about their plans to kill Jo?
@@harley6222 Wow, No. From everything I've heard Charles Vallow was a pretty straightforward decent guy. I haven't seen any hint that he had anything to do with it. All the weird history goes back to Lori and Alex.
She didn’t have immunity at that point so she was a lot less willing to elaborate or even say until she knew she wouldn’t be arrested.
Zulema has the most damaging testimony against Chad so far, outside of the ME who performed Tammys autopsy..
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how "OUTSIDE THE BOX" BOTH!! attorneys had to think on this case?!😂😮
Prior's tractic backfired to me once the "creditable issue" was disclosed around emergency room. It also give me a lot of info about Zulema character and maybe her and Alex really loved each other.
In spite of what was said with the defense Zulema was very credible I think she spoke the truth of what she remembers of what went on during that time and I don't think she was aware that these people were being murdered
Peter, you are total rockstar covering this trial, the Karen Read trial, as well as updates to other cases that we are following. Are you going to discuss the Richard Allen Delphi murders trial when it begins on May 13th (at least key portions as I know that you are super busy)?
It's a traumatic & terrifying experience to testify against a person so dangerous. She is a brave lady.
I felt the state cleaned up Priors mess well in the few minutes after you ended your video.
More credible due to immunity
I think Zulema eventually worked it out! I think she will be believable. She had immunity, she didn’t need to lie
Chad is toast after her testimony today
I love that you speed up the court proceedings. I always do also. I thought it was just a New York thing. I have to speed up most things on RUclips but particularly the court things where they talk slow on purpose for the court recorder.
She can tell the truth because she won't be prosecuted. That is my opinion. She was just low level, compared to Chad. Seemed to me the detectives were telling her they were seeing inconsistencies in her testimony so they had to clear those up. The thing about her testimony is that it sounds like the other testimonies as well. Certainly she had more info but it was echoing much of the other testimony.
She could have needed help with the time line which was all over the place and looked uncreditable
Isn't there enough evidence to convict Chad without giving this 'B' and Gibbs immunity? They both deserve to have charges levied against them! I understand giving someone immunity when there is very little evidence against a person on trial and the testimony of someone involved is needed, but in Chad's case I say NO!
When you hear the redirect, prosecution draws out that the "inconsistent statment" related to something she said in the hospital as they worked on Alex and her response is that she doesn't remember that period of time (which makes sense because it was traumatic). I also think the response "against what your doing right now" highlighted prioress shitty behaviour towards witnesses again. He 100% badgered her after having numerous objections sustained against him, which would not make him look any better than he has managed up to now. Actually, this was another day where Judge Boyds frustration with his lack of professionalism showed.
More credible because she has nothing to lose
Super important testimony!!!!
Her involvement with attempts at castings to have them (the victims) drop bodies...made her eligible to be charged for said crimes
Doesn't every lawyer want their testimony to be credible
So wonder what Alex was up to during his day trip to Mexico. Came back unwell and died the next day.
I think he got poison in my opinion
Drugs. When this whole mess came out somebody did a deep dive into Lori and Alex's history. Apparently their father refused to pay taxes and went to prison for it. Before doing so, he put the house in Alex's name. Alex immediately took out a mortgage on the house and blew tens of thousands of dollars on coke and hookers! That's who he was. IDK, and I guess we never will because Zuleima had him cremated almost immediately.
@@SweetKarina123 Yep, my thoughts too. He got something along those lines.
Yay! I finally made a live. Been part of the replay crew since Depp v Heard.
Regarding the credibility issue, I think it's understandable that there might be inconsistencies over the last 4 years. There are things you may not remember or need to clarify. If the defense can't give specific examples of any inconsistencies, then it's meaningless.
She is credible!
I think being given immunity helped. In this case, it was a good thing.
Thank you for all that you do here, Peter. I appreciate your analysis of word choice and the psychological battles that happen in these arguments. It helps make me a more effective communicator. Thank you! Great work.
Zulema thought she was getting charged with murder so she knew
O think she has been the most important witness in this trial so far!
Personally, I dont think Prior, or the immunity deal, harmed her credibility. I hate immunity deals, but im realistic enough to understand why theyre needed sometimes. When they do happen, i believe the testimony, most of the time, because fear of prosecution is removed.