Sadly I don’t think the solution is firing him. I know that’s not what Nole fans wanna hear, but I’m going to give you some hope. Narduzzi at Pitt went 3-9 last season and everyone wanted him on notice. Next year he hired a new OC and the changes were immense as we now have started out 6-0. Hang in there, but with Norvell’s contract firing him isn’t the answer right now. Signed a Pitt fan.
Firing a coach after he won 19 straight football games before the whole unprecedented snub is absurd. One can't even imagine what this program and coach Mike Norvell have had to endure. I think he is going to get a reprieve for that and as well he should. No one talks about the biggest loss to date anymore, because the biggest loss to date was last December, well before Georgia got a hold to em, Folks. ESPN had the cameras in the faces of student athletes to see instant reactions, capture their emotions , what a class act of an organization that is.
Third losing season in five years, He is owner of the two worst losses in school history with Jacksonville State and Duke, Has never recruited, signed and developed a QB in five years at FSU, won't fire position coaches that under perform and under recruit, too much dependency on the Transfer Portal, NO TEAM SHOULD LOOK THIS BAD WITH A FIFTH YEAR COACH!!!!!
I think NORVELL is just going through a tough and rare situation wit players not doing there job in crustal times in games . Our defect has almost same numbers as Clemson but they have no in put from offense . You can’t win if you don’t score over 24 points a game or when your receivers can catch in practice but not in game time it’s a mental thing players got to work through . Fan are too emotional and there behavior don’t help coach or players .
Plus the fans reactions in the media reactions. It’s bad enough when recruit see what’s going on on the field but whenever they listen to fan, they listen to the shows and everybody is so harsh and critical. It’s like why would any recruit to walk into that I think that hurtsas much because I know some guys didn’t know exactly that that’s the way they feel that’s messed up. We need to get our ducks in a row stop being so harsh in a positive manner.
Mario got crucified more .. and recruits still commit .. this means nothing … you have to buy players now .. simple as that … and he doesn’t want to pay
There’s a good possibility we lose Surtain who’s the best recruiter on staff. FSU would be prudent to buyout the assistants not producing in any of the required parameters and pay top dollar for a staff that can recruit and develop. This certainly would be cheaper than a Norvell buyout. The key here is bringing in proven names from established power 4 programs.
Just weather the storm with Mike. He is learning what not to do and learning it warp speed. Build your program through high school recruiting and stop screwing around on the portal sugar high fix.
Brian Kelley at Notre Dame won only four games in 2016 and then they turn it around the following year so it can be done if he finds the right coaches get some good Recruiters in this class there's a transfer portal it's possible for him to turn it around it's not like he forgot how the coach in 2 years
Seems like all the ACC exit talk has gone silent lately. Can you imagine if FSU was in the SEC or B1G this year or even next? Probably good to sit tight until this nonsense gets fixed.
I always expected it to go quiet during the season. I do think it'll pick back up after season. But, it's embarrassing right now considering the season.
Bobby and Mickey continuously rebuilt the program for years. It all worked until his son wasn't quite up to snuff as OC and Bobby didn't move quickly enough to make a change. Maybe all of that was because Mickey stayed long-term. IDK. But the coaching just during the games has been questionable and the reluctance to let another QB play earlier in the year was ridiculous. This coming weekend is going to be 0-50 against Miami unless a lot to guys have had some come to Jesus moments.
I definitely think we need a proven offensive coordinator, we also need a coach that develops quarterbacks and linebackers. Fire Alex Atkins and Randy Shannon as soon as you can and get some quality replacements for that area. Offensive line is complete garbage and it really shouldn't be because we actually returned a ton of experience and talent this year, so why it has not shown is a clear indication of no true development in that area. I'm going to say the same thing about linebackers, this crew of linebackers has the talent but has shown little to no development since last season. Defensive line and secondary have had their issues but they have shown signs of improvement since the first game so far. We also likely need a new wide receiver coach, Dugans has had more than enough time with the current players to fix these glaring issues and it's simply not working out at all. Those would be my first 3 fires to put some much needed energy in these areas of the team. There are some quality coordinators and coaches out there that would likely love to come to FSU to make a name for themselves. We need to be looking at them now and making arrangements so pluck them before they get deals with other teams.
Agree on the OC and LB coaches. Not so sure about the TE and the WR coaches. Our guys can't catch a ball, our center can't hike the ball, our OL can't block for $hit.....oh and no one puts much pride into anything. The only thing that works are our kickers.
I'm not superstitious, but I've come to believe that until we bring back our real Chief Osceola logo, we will be cursed. Why would you change your logo and colors after going undefeated, winning a National Championship, and a Heisman Trophy? I believe they called it "Ignition Tradition," which apparently meant, torpedo our tradition.
No it is not,fsu is going through the same process Clemson went through,the problem is uiahgalelae,he can’t run can’t throw,once he’s gone they will look a whole lot better ,us Clemson fans look at Florida state and they look how we used to look,what made him look half decent at Clemson was we had a special defense the last couple of years,and good running backs,uiagahlelae is not a division 1 quarterback,cut and dry
It's not Norvell, it's the supporting cast around him. I guarantee he will be making changes after this season cuz the higher ups are pressuring him to I'm almost positive. I think some coaches got a little to complacent especially after an undefeated season so a change is needed. That right there shows the players that Norvell is for real and he wants to keep FSU at the top consistently. Personally I think Atkins, Shannon and Dugans have to go. Not sure Atkins will since he's a CO-OC but he hasn't done a damn thing for our line as far as development goes. Only time will tell but Norvell is a great HC and really wants to be at FSU, not taking that Bama job says a lot. Bottom line, just change the coaches around you where we desperately need it and also Mike needs to give up play calling in my opinion, that could be hard for him but if he does that then that shows me he's for real about keeping this team at the top. This is a very subjective topic but to me it's not Norvell as a HC but more so as an OC. Only time will tell but change is definitely coming, bank on it!
@@christopherroberts8530 I know Norvell calls the plays, I never said that he's not to blame, read what I said and don't assume! I said he needs to hire an OC just like Jimbo did at TAMU and also what Florida fans want Napier to do cuz he needs to give up play calling as well but I think his pride won't let him until those big money boosters and alumns tell him he has to. Of course Norvell get's all the blame, he's the HC for God's sake so that goes without saying. He get's more of the blame than anybody but what I was trying to say is he needs to get a good OC to take over play calling and also get rid of some of our other position coaches, at least 3 or 4 of them in my opinion. Again, I never said Norvell doesn't deserve the blame cuz he's the HC and that's why he makes the big bucks period. It falls on him so hopefully in the off season he does make some coaching changes and hires some really good replacements. Me personally, I think Norvell is a great HC and I mean the man won a lot of games at Memphis and won like 2 or 3 conference championships and then up until this year he has turned this FSU football program around so again I think we have the right man at HC, subjectively speaking that is, but definitely need to do an overhaul with our coaching staff and then I think Norvell will be on the right track to get us back to the FSU we all know when we're winning a lot of games. Hopefully that answers your question but if not I don't know what else you need to hear?!?🤷🏽♂️ Only time will tell but the bottom line is everyone is going to have their own opinion about this situation period! 💯🤷🏽♂️
@@christopherroberts8530 Correct, but that doesn't mean I'm saying that he's not the blame completely. It should go without saying cuz it should be common sense that he's going to get all the blame since he's the HMIC...Head Man In Charge! 😂 I would just think I wouldn't need to spell it out for people cuz again that goes without saying plain and simple! What I should have said it is all on Norvell since he is the HC but the majority of that is due to the staff he has around him I just didn't think someone like you or anybody for that matter would read that much into that statement. I mean the man goes from being one of the best coaches in all of CFB the last 2 seasons to now being one of the worst even after he won the Bear Bryant COY award last season. I'm sure you know just how much people or fans flip flop on what they think cuz obviously in CFB it's not what have you done for me lately but more so What have you done for me NOW!!! Bottom line for me is I was wanting particularly those 3 coaches gone after the 2022 season cuz to me they were the weakest links to FSU's football team or I should say coaching staff but obviously going undefeated last year and winning your conference bought those coaches more time and even Coach Norvell to which is why he was never going to be on the hot seat even after this abysmal season we're having this year, he bought himself at least 2 more years because of that but obviously there's just people and fans out there that truly don't understand football or X's and O's one bit they just talk out of their asses for the most part. Anyways, hopefully you get my point now cuz I can see why you would've taken my statement that way but believe me when I say this dumpster 🔥 of a season we're having completely falls on him unfortunately so it'll be interesting to see what he does in the off season. One other guy brought up a great point about Coach Narduzzi at Pitt when he went 3-9 last year after winning the ACC championship just a couple years ago and then went out and got a new OC with a couple other coaches and they're 1 of 4 other undefeated teams in the ACC right now so things can change for the better and they can change fast and I don't see any reason why Norvell can't do the same thing. As a matter of fact I really think he will and next season will be different but hopefully we don't lose to many in the portal. I still think we're probably just an 8-4 team next year at best but opening up against Bama sure does suck cuz most likely we'll be starting the season out 0-1 but hey, you never know?!? That O-Line is what worries me the most ONCE AGAIN mmm mm mm! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ Here's hoping though that we can turn it around somewhat by the time next season starts!!! 🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽
This will be a 1-11 season. Worst season since 1973/4 He needs to take a hard look at his assistants, and the choices they have made during the season. Sticking Ogluffoofoo as long as he did was a huge mistake.ive been a fan for 40 year, since my brother was a walk on place kicker. His biggest regret was quiting before Bobby came on board in 75.
Another couple of years putting garbage on the field and the ACC will be paying us to leave!! Attendance and TV viewership will drop to nothing!!! At this point we are the bottom feeders of the ACC which ensures that we would be the bottom feeders in any other conference! This program is doomed!!!
Just shows the types of "fans" FSU has. 😂😂😂😂 I remember pre season he was the 2nd coming of Nick Saban. Only took 7 games for the so called "fans" to turn on him and for the preseason "experts" to contract sudden amnesia and call for his head. 😂😂😂😂. Fake fans.
Not fake fans, just really passionate. I am personally concerned unless he pretty much changes most of the staff. You really should take off the rose colored glasses when it comes to your team. Most fans of any team are.passionate but there is always that element of each fanbase that is completely.obnoxious when it comes out.
I think FSU will keep norvell for 3 more years and finally dump him until then recruiting will suffer, if you do get a great player they are going to leave because of money and lack of winning. Every loss will be magnified by the media and fans. Get ready for 7-5 and 8-4 for the next 3 years....not this year though 😁
@@chuckroutionGB2022 not sure what this has to do with this upcoming week. But hey! If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. So yeah, lots of what-ifs…
@@chuckroutionGB2022 wow! Thank you both for your hot take! You should both really look into being analysis… either way. We beat Clemson last year with our backup redshirt QB. Our offense is way better, in every aspect. Hopefully our defense can play better that game, but I’m not too concerned. Waste of a season would be starting off 1-6 possibly 1-7 🫳🏽
this is the hardest consecutive 2 years as an FSU fan ever. Been a fan since I was a little jit in the 90s
Sadly I don’t think the solution is firing him. I know that’s not what Nole fans wanna hear, but I’m going to give you some hope. Narduzzi at Pitt went 3-9 last season and everyone wanted him on notice. Next year he hired a new OC and the changes were immense as we now have started out 6-0. Hang in there, but with Norvell’s contract firing him isn’t the answer right now. Signed a Pitt fan.
Firing him isn’t even an option. Too much money invested in that contract and the acc lawsuit. Very dark times coming for fsu
Firing a coach after he won 19 straight football games before the whole unprecedented snub is absurd. One can't even imagine what this program and coach Mike Norvell have had to endure. I think he is going to get a reprieve for that and as well he should. No one talks about the biggest loss to date anymore, because the biggest loss to date was last December, well before Georgia got a hold to em, Folks. ESPN had the cameras in the faces of student athletes to see instant reactions, capture their emotions , what a class act of an organization that is.
Whoever signed and thought up that contract should be fired.
I still feel Norvell staff should be fired.
I'm still waiting on Norvel's recruiting bump.
This staff wasted being 23-4 in two years. Imaging Miami having this record for the last two years; their recruiting classes would be insane
And with Miami having the season they’re having, it’s gonna get worse for Norvell lol
Third losing season in five years, He is owner of the two worst losses in school history with Jacksonville State and Duke, Has never recruited, signed and developed a QB in five years at FSU, won't fire position coaches that under perform and under recruit, too much dependency on the Transfer Portal, NO TEAM SHOULD LOOK THIS BAD WITH A FIFTH YEAR COACH!!!!!
Outside of Bobby bowden or jumbo fisher we been up and down with we other coaches since then
I think NORVELL is just going through a tough and rare situation wit players not doing there job in crustal times in games . Our defect has almost same numbers as Clemson but they have no in put from offense . You can’t win if you don’t score over 24 points a game or when your receivers can catch in practice but not in game time it’s a mental thing players got to work through . Fan are too emotional and there behavior don’t help coach or players .
Plus the fans reactions in the media reactions. It’s bad enough when recruit see what’s going on on the field but whenever they listen to fan, they listen to the shows and everybody is so harsh and critical. It’s like why would any recruit to walk into that I think that hurtsas much because I know some guys didn’t know exactly that that’s the way they feel that’s messed up. We need to get our ducks in a row stop being so harsh in a positive manner.
Mario got crucified more .. and recruits still commit .. this means nothing … you have to buy players now .. simple as that … and he doesn’t want to pay
There’s a good possibility we lose Surtain who’s the best recruiter on staff. FSU would be prudent to buyout the assistants not producing in any of the required parameters and pay top dollar for a staff that can recruit and develop. This certainly would be cheaper than a Norvell buyout. The key here is bringing in proven names from established power 4 programs.
Just weather the storm with Mike. He is learning what not to do and learning it warp speed. Build your program through high school recruiting and stop screwing around on the portal sugar high fix.
I totally agree. Well said.
Dabo stuck to his guns on that and he’s got the last laugh
It's been 5 years already. It's time to go.
Weather the storm with Mike because he's learning, in year 5?? No!
Brian Kelley at Notre Dame won only four games in 2016 and then they turn it around the following year so it can be done if he finds the right coaches get some good Recruiters in this class there's a transfer portal it's possible for him to turn it around it's not like he forgot how the coach in 2 years
Seems like all the ACC exit talk has gone silent lately. Can you imagine if FSU was in the SEC or B1G this year or even next? Probably good to sit tight until this nonsense gets fixed.
I always expected it to go quiet during the season. I do think it'll pick back up after season. But, it's embarrassing right now considering the season.
Bobby and Mickey continuously rebuilt the program for years. It all worked until his son wasn't quite up to snuff as OC and Bobby didn't move quickly enough to make a change. Maybe all of that was because Mickey stayed long-term. IDK. But the coaching just during the games has been questionable and the reluctance to let another QB play earlier in the year was ridiculous. This coming weekend is going to be 0-50 against Miami unless a lot to guys have had some come to Jesus moments.
Mike you gotta recruit in Florida big time Georgia too
So we need to chill out it’s not coaching it’s mental on players and fans and media being so harsh is hurting more than anything
I'm pretty sure not being able to catch the ball and not being able to block a soul is NOT on the players or media.
You're a fair weather fan.
I definitely think we need a proven offensive coordinator, we also need a coach that develops quarterbacks and linebackers. Fire Alex Atkins and Randy Shannon as soon as you can and get some quality replacements for that area. Offensive line is complete garbage and it really shouldn't be because we actually returned a ton of experience and talent this year, so why it has not shown is a clear indication of no true development in that area. I'm going to say the same thing about linebackers, this crew of linebackers has the talent but has shown little to no development since last season. Defensive line and secondary have had their issues but they have shown signs of improvement since the first game so far. We also likely need a new wide receiver coach, Dugans has had more than enough time with the current players to fix these glaring issues and it's simply not working out at all. Those would be my first 3 fires to put some much needed energy in these areas of the team. There are some quality coordinators and coaches out there that would likely love to come to FSU to make a name for themselves. We need to be looking at them now and making arrangements so pluck them before they get deals with other teams.
Agree on the OC and LB coaches. Not so sure about the TE and the WR coaches. Our guys can't catch a ball, our center can't hike the ball, our OL can't block for $hit.....oh and no one puts much pride into anything. The only thing that works are our kickers.
Not with that buyout. He’s getting two more years minimum regardless of how many more games he loses.
Yes
I'm not superstitious, but I've come to believe that until we bring back our real Chief Osceola logo, we will be cursed.
Why would you change your logo and colors after going undefeated, winning a National Championship, and a Heisman Trophy?
I believe they called it "Ignition Tradition," which apparently meant, torpedo our tradition.
It’s what I’ve been saying since week 2. The coach is the problem.
Get Saban outta retirement
Does anyone here really believe hat he is still the coach in two years?
Yes.
@@dennisdugger7975 based on what?
No it is not,fsu is going through the same process Clemson went through,the problem is uiahgalelae,he can’t run can’t throw,once he’s gone they will look a whole lot better ,us Clemson fans look at Florida state and they look how we used to look,what made him look half decent at Clemson was we had a special defense the last couple of years,and good running backs,uiagahlelae is not a division 1 quarterback,cut and dry
It's not Norvell, it's the supporting cast around him. I guarantee he will be making changes after this season cuz the higher ups are pressuring him to I'm almost positive. I think some coaches got a little to complacent especially after an undefeated season so a change is needed. That right there shows the players that Norvell is for real and he wants to keep FSU at the top consistently. Personally I think Atkins, Shannon and Dugans have to go. Not sure Atkins will since he's a CO-OC but he hasn't done a damn thing for our line as far as development goes. Only time will tell but Norvell is a great HC and really wants to be at FSU, not taking that Bama job says a lot. Bottom line, just change the coaches around you where we desperately need it and also Mike needs to give up play calling in my opinion, that could be hard for him but if he does that then that shows me he's for real about keeping this team at the top. This is a very subjective topic but to me it's not Norvell as a HC but more so as an OC. Only time will tell but change is definitely coming, bank on it!
Norvell is the one calling the offense. We don't have an OC. What do you mean he's not blame?
@@christopherroberts8530 I know Norvell calls the plays, I never said that he's not to blame, read what I said and don't assume! I said he needs to hire an OC just like Jimbo did at TAMU and also what Florida fans want Napier to do cuz he needs to give up play calling as well but I think his pride won't let him until those big money boosters and alumns tell him he has to. Of course Norvell get's all the blame, he's the HC for God's sake so that goes without saying. He get's more of the blame than anybody but what I was trying to say is he needs to get a good OC to take over play calling and also get rid of some of our other position coaches, at least 3 or 4 of them in my opinion. Again, I never said Norvell doesn't deserve the blame cuz he's the HC and that's why he makes the big bucks period. It falls on him so hopefully in the off season he does make some coaching changes and hires some really good replacements. Me personally, I think Norvell is a great HC and I mean the man won a lot of games at Memphis and won like 2 or 3 conference championships and then up until this year he has turned this FSU football program around so again I think we have the right man at HC, subjectively speaking that is, but definitely need to do an overhaul with our coaching staff and then I think Norvell will be on the right track to get us back to the FSU we all know when we're winning a lot of games. Hopefully that answers your question but if not I don't know what else you need to hear?!?🤷🏽♂️ Only time will tell but the bottom line is everyone is going to have their own opinion about this situation period! 💯🤷🏽♂️
@@ATLieNOLE no that's not what you said. Your opening statement reads, "It's not Norvell, it's the supporting cast around him."
@@christopherroberts8530 Correct, but that doesn't mean I'm saying that he's not the blame completely. It should go without saying cuz it should be common sense that he's going to get all the blame since he's the HMIC...Head Man In Charge! 😂 I would just think I wouldn't need to spell it out for people cuz again that goes without saying plain and simple! What I should have said it is all on Norvell since he is the HC but the majority of that is due to the staff he has around him I just didn't think someone like you or anybody for that matter would read that much into that statement. I mean the man goes from being one of the best coaches in all of CFB the last 2 seasons to now being one of the worst even after he won the Bear Bryant COY award last season. I'm sure you know just how much people or fans flip flop on what they think cuz obviously in CFB it's not what have you done for me lately but more so What have you done for me NOW!!! Bottom line for me is I was wanting particularly those 3 coaches gone after the 2022 season cuz to me they were the weakest links to FSU's football team or I should say coaching staff but obviously going undefeated last year and winning your conference bought those coaches more time and even Coach Norvell to which is why he was never going to be on the hot seat even after this abysmal season we're having this year, he bought himself at least 2 more years because of that but obviously there's just people and fans out there that truly don't understand football or X's and O's one bit they just talk out of their asses for the most part. Anyways, hopefully you get my point now cuz I can see why you would've taken my statement that way but believe me when I say this dumpster 🔥 of a season we're having completely falls on him unfortunately so it'll be interesting to see what he does in the off season. One other guy brought up a great point about Coach Narduzzi at Pitt when he went 3-9 last year after winning the ACC championship just a couple years ago and then went out and got a new OC with a couple other coaches and they're 1 of 4 other undefeated teams in the ACC right now so things can change for the better and they can change fast and I don't see any reason why Norvell can't do the same thing. As a matter of fact I really think he will and next season will be different but hopefully we don't lose to many in the portal. I still think we're probably just an 8-4 team next year at best but opening up against Bama sure does suck cuz most likely we'll be starting the season out 0-1 but hey, you never know?!? That O-Line is what worries me the most ONCE AGAIN mmm mm mm! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ Here's hoping though that we can turn it around somewhat by the time next season starts!!! 🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽
This will be a 1-11 season. Worst season since 1973/4
He needs to take a hard look at his assistants, and the choices they have made during the season. Sticking Ogluffoofoo as long as he did was a huge mistake.ive been a fan for 40 year, since my brother was a walk on place kicker. His biggest regret was quiting before Bobby came on board in 75.
YES to late next year
GO NOLES #MIKEGOTUS 🍢🍢
He’s got you 1-6!
@@eizaguirre2184 🍢💯
If no coach change. The season is over. These except Mr. Sartain will fail. Have not had a top 5 recruiting class with this staff.
The season ended 5 weeks ago for us 😂
Lmao dog the season has been over for months now, where have you been 😂
Norvell is such a nice guy, but in a dog eat dog world of college football, he doesn't have the killer instinct to run a winning team!
Another couple of years putting garbage on the field and the ACC will be paying us to leave!! Attendance and TV viewership will drop to nothing!!! At this point we are the bottom feeders of the ACC which ensures that we would be the bottom feeders in any other conference! This program is doomed!!!
0-3 in three of his five seasons.
Mike will turn things around next year. This year is an anomaly and if you can't see that, then go find another team to follow.
Just shows the types of "fans" FSU has. 😂😂😂😂 I remember pre season he was the 2nd coming of Nick Saban. Only took 7 games for the so called "fans" to turn on him and for the preseason "experts" to contract sudden amnesia and call for his head. 😂😂😂😂. Fake fans.
Not fake fans, just really passionate. I am personally concerned unless he pretty much changes most of the staff. You really should take off the rose colored glasses when it comes to your team. Most fans of any team are.passionate but there is always that element of each fanbase that is completely.obnoxious when it comes out.
I think FSU will keep norvell for 3 more years and finally dump him until then recruiting will suffer, if you do get a great player they are going to leave because of money and lack of winning. Every loss will be magnified by the media and fans. Get ready for 7-5 and 8-4 for the next 3 years....not this year though 😁
The staff sucks can't mike bring in some new coche I don't belive in him
The OC/lines coach has been horrible.
Yeah he making alot of errors from what I see
83-3 coming up!!! I hope Miami does not let up! This is payback!
If Miami played Georgia OSU,organ they would get curb stomped
@@chuckroutionGB2022 not sure what this has to do with this upcoming week. But hey! If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. So yeah, lots of what-ifs…
Miami wont beat Clemson!! May be a waste of a season if they lose ACCCG, and miss playoffs!!
@@goatiestgoat12 I agree Clemson beats Miami
@@chuckroutionGB2022 wow! Thank you both for your hot take! You should both really look into being analysis… either way. We beat Clemson last year with our backup redshirt QB. Our offense is way better, in every aspect. Hopefully our defense can play better that game, but I’m not too concerned. Waste of a season would be starting off 1-6 possibly 1-7 🫳🏽
I say we see what he does next year and if he doesn’t get 9+ wins, fire him and hire Deion.