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Miscellaneous Myths: Narcissus
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2018
- You know his name. You know his personality disorder. But you don't know his story - especially not the gay bits!
Honestly, how many times are we going to be surprised when a greek myth turns out gayer than we learned in middle school? Remind me to tell you guys about Callisto sometime.
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Suitors: I can’t live without you
Narcissus: then perish
Oof.
hold on i just realized that i was the 420 person to like this
Suitors: weall do anything fow you mr narcissus pwease
Narcissus: Anything?
Suitors: Anything for you mr. narcissus :3
Narcissus: Then *perish*
Suitors: D:
I’m the 715th like
And I'm the 911th like... uhhhhh...
i like how Nemisis didnt even use magic she just showed him a mirror
There's a version of the myth where his own ego and looks aren't enough, so Eros shoots him with one of his love-arrows while he's looking in the pool.
I like this version better.
I mean i think it makes more sense. If he’s never seen a mirror before, how did he fall so absorbed with his own attractiveness to begin with?
@@JaelinBezel Likely because everyone else is describing how beautiful he is all the time. Even if you can't personally see yourself, if everyone says you're beauty incarnate you're going to believe it.
These stories were originally religous and so drive home a firm moral. Unlike modern moralist stories though the characters feel somewhat human and the intensity of emotion and drama make it interesting.
@@rollingthunder1043 I like this version since it doesn't imply Narcissus has never seen a mirror or reflection of himself in his life.
Honestly, an Echo visual novel would be real cool, imagine instead of just picking x dialogue option, having to remix the last dialogue box of a character
That's... real creative! that would be real fun and/or interesting!
yea but imagine how complicated that'd also be
@@ThomasJefferson-xc8wg knowing most visual novels it would mean either solving one simple puzzle every couple hours to pick a route and/or grinding through tins of word puzzles to build up affection points to unlock scenes.
I would play it even though I hate dating sims and being the worst person with puzzles
YES YES SO COOL!!!
Imagine if Narcissus was cloned. It’d probably end one of 2 ways:
1. They would literally only ever look at / bang themselves, probably saving any other suitors from depressing fates.
2. The sheer amount of ego in the room would cause all of Ancient Greece to implode upon itself.
Probably both
Himselves
Question: If you'd fuck your clone would that be investous?
"There haven't been so much love in this room since Narcissus discovered himself"
(Hades, 1990s, colorised)
Or it would create a god of ego
If you actually go for Apollo, and he doesn't randomly fall in love with you, you have a 82% chance of being murdered by Zephyrus and turned into a plant.
The other 18% is you falling off a cliff and being turned into a plant.
Either way you get to be a plant.
I'd say it's a pretty good deal.
Well to avoid the getting killed by zephyros part you never play disc with apollo
Your best bet is going for hades tbh (minus the whole persephone is wife thing)
@@maddilinekathryn5684 if you're good at the costumizing character tool Persephone will think you're cute and will keep you as a pet
@Thomas S. True true very true
what if Apollo as trying to prevent deforestation and overpopulation IN ONE SHOT?
i remember that part in Disney's "Hercules" when Hermes said "i haven't seen so much love in one room since Narcissus discovered himself"
PyrusPerseus me too 😂😂
Haha..plot twist..Hercules is actually a part of ROMAN mythology instead of Greek mythology..I’m a nerd 🤣
@@auriii9419 Hercules is just the roman name for Heracles, the great-grandson of Perseus.
So he was originally a greek hero.
@@user-wq7ms7eu9j They're still right. Hercules is the roman figure, Heracles is the greek. They aren't wrong.
@@DeathBringerBecky
Only technically correct, but correct.
Good end: Ameinias meets Echo before he can kill himself. Ameinias and Echo talk to each other and they become best friends and help each other with their obvious self-esteem issues and Ameinias's friendship helps Echo become visible again. Echo, who already is pretty good at wingmaning people it sounds like, helps Ameinias find a boyfriend who loves and respects him and Echo invents singing in rounds. The end.
awwww, I love thisss
I would kill to see this
**frantically starts writing** i like this idea
Yes, yes and yes
WhOOAAAAA YES!!!!!!
How about this. When you unlock the underworld route instead of seducing hades or Persephone you romance Thanatos
That sounds fun
YE
Zagreus wants to know your location
OR...POLY RELATIONSHIP?
Supergiant, taking notes: good idea, glad I thought of it.
Get you someone that looks at you like Narcissus looks at himself.
Yes!
Base a religion around you mate, I'm tired of seeing you everywhere. Lol
You're starting to get top comment again
Mood
Wait... I just saw you.
On the home screen, you should see a garden of all of the plants that you've become
if you win, you become a constellation
Ooo, unlockable achievement trophies!
@@redwitch12 Possible achievement names:
Error: Safe Word Not Found
Delicate Flower
I Speak for the Trees
All Is Fair (In Love and War)
Caught in the Act
Animal
Torn into Pieces
Happy Deathiversary!
Children Are a Blessing
Meet the In-Laws
Sibling Rivalry
I Plead Innocent
I Plead Guilty
I Plead Insanity
I Plead the Fifth
@@jonquilgemstone YES. YESSSSS.
thats the achievement page
“Without love life is like the seasons with no summer”
So considerably better for people with hay fever
That is... really an excellent way to look at it. I feel better already.
Brett Hall well yeah I have hay fever so for me summer is HELL
It is also from hairspray in the song without love
Plus Hades gets to spend more time with his wife and Persephone has more time to play with Cerberus.
Or for those in the southern u.s....dang it gets hot done here
I remember reading a version of the tale of Narcissus where Echo gets back at Narci by hanging around and parroting his own words back at him while he was staring at his reflection, making him believe that his reflection was a water nymph.
Lmao
Echo f*cking sounds 10x more metal
If you know where to find this version plz tell I wanna read It
IDK why that sounds like Ovid but it does
“I should make a Greek mythology dating sim”-Red
Shut up and take my money!
Wow somebody had the same idea. Nice job dude. How would a Greek dating sim work tho? Is it like a normal one, but for every good answer you give you piss off some god?
Yasssss
I'd buy it
I second this.
Mine too! Do you take Benjamins?
Fun fact about that flower, it is stunningly beautiful but it smells like rotting corpses, unwashed gym socks, and rotten eggs all got together and produced this unholy abomination of a scent.
Where did get that comparison?
@@iceluvndiva21 When I was younger and reading up on Narcissus (I am Greek and have always been a super Greek mythology nerd) it described the flowers as they were in ancient days and that was roughly (couldn't remember the wording so I went with conveying how bad the smell was in my own wording) how the smell was described. I believe that modern Narcissus have been bred to have a pleasant smell because people wanted them in their gardens without it smelling like a murder was committed 3 days ago.
Helios575 So...redemption arc?
Welp. Great.
Isn't it a Daffodil? Daffodils are lovely. I think the term refers to Jonquils which are like mini daffodils.
In this hypothetical game there is at least a 50/50 chance that Aphrodite will just pick a route for you. You wanna date Hercules or Atalanta? Nope. You're falling in love with with Jason
Ah, so you’d be playing as Medea...I like it!
I can dig a sudden swerve from Dating Sim to Hitman Ancient Greece Version.
NOOOOOOOO NOT JASON NOOOOO😢
"Just ask him out, what's the worst that could happen?"
"He literally gave me a weapon and told me to kill myself"
"O-oh.."
In a modern setting, narcissus becomes a mad scientist bent on cloning himself so he can finally satisfy his longing
That would make a good short story. In the end, he could figure out how intolerable he is, and the lesson could be there's more to love than Beauty
@@roberteischen4170 @Fif Gallag Do...do I have your permission to write this and submit it?
@@megaabsolangelgamer3996 go for it.
@@roberteischen4170 YES! Wonderful, thank you!
Talk about a great horror story.... wow.
That greek dating sim sound like an awesome survival game
Survival dating sim is my new favorite game genre that doesn’t exist
I love that because there’s so many options. Apollo’s route would end with you dead for sure
@@AndreaRodriguez-cj1kt Apollo's route ends with the player as a nice plant in a garden
Voivoda Dracula You have to choose wisely--not just your favorite NPC, but also how to not die or face some other horrible fate.
(example: Zeus-->Avoid Hera's wrath, Aphrodite-->Avoid Hephaestus and Ares at once, Artemis-->DON'T CONFESS TO OR STALK HER FOR ANY REASON)
Fun!
I love that Helen's save file is 10 years long (just... in hours) fun little detail.
Why 10 years long?
Was the war that long or did I forget shit again
@@fabi3790 yea the Trojan War was 10 years long. Not really sure why. It just was.
@@fennetheartsyenby troy was just that tough I guess idk
Fun fact!
It was widely accepted in ancient Greece that Achilles and Patrocoulus were a couple, but that still left one question unanswered...
There are pages and pages of serious intellectual debate over who was the top and who was the bottom.
Their conclusion?
Patrocoulus was deemed to be the more macho, meaning that _Achilles_ was a bottom.
I find this highly amusing
The man that most modern people think of as a top, Achilles, was most likely a bottom
This is where you tell me Iolaus topped Heracles.
@@laurakastrup Oh please, Heracles was a POWERbottom; full stop. 😂
Patroclus was also older than Achilles.
Aaaaand might have been his cousin.
@@Xalerdane stop ruining things for people
Wait what? Achilles being the main character would make you think he'd be top, since it was the position that wouldnt get you laughed out of the room.
Wait. Helen of Troy is (sometimes) the daughter of the embodiment of karmic punishments for hubris. Does this mean that all those people who try to kidnap and marry Helen, only to have their tales end in tragedy, are in fact getting karmic punishments courtesy of Helen's demigod powers?
I don't care if it makes mythological sense, I like it.
Timothy McLean I like this theory
That or a caring mother taking care of business.
Timothy McLean
demigod powers? what makes you think this karmic embodiment isn't behind the scenes going "all you idiots think your good enough for my daughter? HUBRIS!"
Demigod powers? Do demigods ever have any innate powers in Greek mythology? As far as I know it's always their parent's backseating, or Hera accidentaly breastfeeding the guy in one case.
Sometimes, you get the most epic horse gift which, really, in those days, was a pretty naughty thing when it was full of naval soldiers. Did...Did I say it right?
You say "don't date Narcissus"
I say "let's play on Ultra-Hard Mode"
You expert mode
You mean expert mode
"Helen playthrough time: 87654:07:40"
I see you go for 100% completion here.
Echo's story is very sad, I've read that after being rejected she went into a cave and died, being a nymph she turnt into rocks and this is why we hear echoes in caves
I read that too! Plus when Narcissus finds his reflection he tries to talk to it and Echo, being Echo, accidentally makes him think it's a water nymph when she's really just hopelessly pining even after his rejection. She needed a man/woman who could treat her right.
(Also another girl whose name I forgot asked Nemesis to give Narcissus his just desserts and *that's* how she got involved. I love Greek mythology.)
Wasn’t she originally a mountain nymph? And since she’s vanished all except her voice that’s cursed to only ever copycat, she kinda just lingers in mountains now
Someone should write a fanfic where Echo finds a good man and finds happiness
Don't forget the version where Narcissus dies because he stupidly tried to embrace his reflection and drowned.
I've heard one version in which he tried to kiss his reflection, and he was so heartbroken when it rippled out of sight that he committed suicide
Narcissus, The patron saint of *_Masturbation._*
Joyce that is the only valid thing I've heard someone comment in their life that was valid
Honestly, you're right about that.
_Seriously._
wait,that happened????ppppphhhhhhaahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!
WHY hasn't there been a Greek Mythology dating sim?
IKR, I would Buy it, I would be a Money Seller
TheCaliMack There’s a god dating sim pulling from multiple different mythologies including Greek called Kamigami no Asobi. It’s also a pretty good anime :D
Because most people don't want to be raped by a bull?
There is one in the game called Lovestruck called Astoria: Fates Kiss and you can date Hades and a bunch of godly monsters like Hydra and Medusa but they’re humanized
Natsu Dragneel shut up and take MY money!
"Zeus or Poseidon taking a liking to you" I think Zeus is the real threat, seeing as Amphitrite, Poseidon's wife, just does not care. Dating Poseidon has no consequences. Also, I just realized, Hephaestus would be the best option. Look how good of a husband he was to Aphrodite. Feel free to argue.
For girls I think that the hephaestus route would be like a beauty and the beast sort of situation where despite hephaestus having a messed up face the player still falls for him due to his gentle and kind nature
Amphitrite and posiden were in an open relationship; change my mind
That awkward moment when each and every one of them is a rapist...
@@flynnvoid7694 Ikr its messed up.
Pseidon also tends to give his lovers some cool gifts too. He'll even make you a guy, he don't judge.
“I may be used to one-sided relationships but I don’t like being on this side..”
*Smooth pickup line Narcy* 😂
Narssius:
"Hey baby how's it going?"
>Reflection is just mirroring him. Que long quiet pause.
Narssius:
"Same here sweetcakes."
2:04 Thanks for the Kiss from a Rose tag
I just realised why echo was named echo
Shine Bright Like A doitsu that’s a bruh moment
Are you, perhaps, a Doitsuist? I'm just curious...
@@jaxvipre8606 nice to know the fandom is getting bigger again
@@brokendoll6741 it never stopped expanding, brethren.
What the hell is going on can someone tell me please?
Why im switching faster than the channels on tv?
Im black than im white,no something is in't right.
My enemy is invisible,i don't know how to fight.
The trembling fear is more than i can take,when im up against the echo in the mirror.
I like the one version I read where Artemis was friends with Echo and was angry about Narcisis and was the one who set up him finding his reflection so captivating.
Of course Artemis is friends with echo, she’s friends with all the nymphs
She pays Nemesis to lure him to the reflective pool that she herself created-
She would do that
The version I remember had Eros shoot him with a love arrow while he was looking at his reflection in the water, but his own ego doing it all on it's own is also pretty great.
Damn even divine power can't stop his narcissism
you know, there isn't a really canon to mythology, your version could be just as viable
But, if you follow Artemis' example, Aphrodite curses you.
Well, more like Aphrodite curses your stepmom, which ultimately leads to you getting killed.
Well it depends, Narcissis was rejecting love from anyone he didn’t find suitable vs an asexual person who’s genuinely not interested. Aphrodite would punish people actively rejecting love.....probably didn’t get Narcissis him self because he was a genuine hotty. Basically if you are not a male who’s beauty is on the scale of the gods, you shouldn’t reject love. ......if your a woman who’s beauty revivals Aphrodite I highly suggest you get in good with a powerful god that can protect you from her.
@@Cangeltibon I think that's a matter of perspective.
Derek Bates
That’s true
@@Cangeltibon and knowing is half the battle.
Ironic that Narcissus, who many consider an unobtainable treasure, became a mere flower, which anyone can take and do as they wish with.
I don't think that's what it was intended to mean. More like, his beauty is represented in the beauty of the flowers.
Got em
Plus now he can reproduce, or "pollinate" with beings of equal beauty...
Mister Moon Thank you Rowlet
Now thats some extra salt for the wound.
no one gives enough credit to the we proudly ship Patroclus and Achilles poster at 2:16 it's goregous
Another fun fact: Nemesis is also the sister of Thanatos, the god of death and the daughter of Nyx and Erebus I can just imagine the family meal
“So four goths walk into a room...”
Add Philotes into the mix it'll be even more chaotic (goddess of friendship and also daughter of nyx for some reason)
@@ponyosurlafalaise1186 including the other kids like the Fates, Hypnos, Morose and other bad omen gods, it would be a family of goths and the one preppy black sheep
Tryied the Calypso-Route. You know how many sidequests there are on her island? It took me seven freaking years to finish it! In the end I only wanted to leave and continue the main story.
Did Odysseus right this comment?
7 years worth of content! What are you complaining about?!
Ah... I love intellectual jokes
What about the Circe route? Surely that chain didn't take as long.
I keep loosing Atlas' route--
Apollo: Sister, what are you the goddess of?
Artemis* lounging by a spring and piles of deerskin surrounded by three dozen naked girls and a dead-pan expression*: Virginity
...Is there ever even the slightest implication that Artemis might have just kinda been into girls? Or a confirmation she wasn't? Because when you put it like that-!
@@Archris17 well, considering ancient greece didnt really like lesbians or wlw, there is no confirmation whether if she was into girls or not. But in modern world, she's usually depicted as a lesbian or into girls
LoZ Collector I’ve read a couple sources that say “Virgin” in that culture was more indicative of “Not Married,” so Artemis might’ve been fully on board with the WLW just not with the vows of marriage
Drew oo o I also heard that in Ancient Greek times being virgin just means not being penetrated by a dong
According to Red in her video on the Endymion myth, there’s nothing to imply that Artemis was into guys OR gals. The only romantic relationship she had was with Orion the hunter.
"I should make a Greek mythology dating sim..."
If you did, that'd better be the *gayest* dating sim ever.
Gayer than...Dream Daddy? 😃
Is Greek mythology so is going to the BI-EST dating sim ever
@@randymercedes2511 I am in favor of this.
@@jdatlas4668 me too
Gimme gimme
A funny thing about Nemesis was that sometimes (oftentimes) her divine retribution would wreak havoc not only on the guilty, but on the people around them as well, implying that a society that allows heinous acts to go unpunished is just as guilty as the perpetrator who performs them.
I like that
Or that retribution or revenge is blind and does not care for the innocent
Heard different versions what happened after Nemesis cursed him.
A) He starved/got too dehydrated
B) Drowned trying to save himself
C) Stood still so long while looking at his reflection plants started growing on and around him
The two most common ones are those last two
Personally I enjoy and was raised on the plants one
I've never heard of c but w ow does that sound really aesthetic??
@@tybaltia16 yeaj essentially it's that he stared so long that flowers and vines grew up his legs and arms until he was just sorta a weird bush man and at the last second he realizes he's a tree now
I heard he straight up stabbed himself because he felt bad about how much pain he was causing his reflection.
All of the above. He stood and stared and wasted away, drooping over the pond like his very flower until he wilted so much he fell in and drowned
... this sounds more like a survival horror game than a dating sim.
...
Crap. That'd actually be really cool.
A horror dating sim.
Genius idea. Would fund.
how to fend off apollo : show him a hyacinth flower
@@parrotenthusiast1181 laurel would probably work too lol
There are several comments about this game becoming a reality, but this one is the best.
It so would id dump cash on it
Suitors: Without love, what's even worth it?
Artemis, plus every aromantic/asexual ever to exist: Ah. What a bummer. Truly, a shame.
Alison Swick
True but there’s Orion, sooo... Ace only maybe?
@@wot_m8181
He wasn't a romantic partner
@@BM-ts1yi He could've though
Oh no, how horrible!
@Shannon Munroe Red said in a comment on a later video that she was wrong, and Orion was just a friend
I love how she kept on bringing Patrochilles into the story
“Sorry, but “Disappointed Albatross” isn’t my type”.
-Narcissus
He WOULD assume she just wants to hang around his neck.
*Narcissus was the OG Gaston.*
Ha! True
NOOOOO OOOOONE...
Rejects like Narcissus
Is beautful like Narcissus
When he goes out for a fight, no one hunts like Narcissus.
Narcissus ate dozens of eggs?
Except that Gaston was at least into Belle.
When I was a lad I had four dozen suitors
Every morning, so my head got large.
But now that I'm grown I have FIVE THOUSAND suitors
So it's roughly the size of a BARGE!!!
Alternate ending - Echo grabs something to write with and communicates that way.
Meanwhile Hera: "wait, hold on, this wasn't supposed to happen!
…Hera sees this and also curses Echo with illiteracy.
Nemesis: *destroys the vapid self-indulgent himbo in the most ironically delicious way imaginable for such crimes against love*
Aphrodite: "holy shit I think I'm in love"
Oh no... it's a new pairing!
N: "You know I'd just be punishing for cheating on your husband, right?"
A: "Ooh, can he watch too? That sounds like fun!"
First of all, this would be such a cool relationship for Aphrodite to have, second, since Aphrodite is love how come I haven’t heard any stories of her loving women?
@@adeleaslan8182 IKR
It could be a cute pairing.
When you’re so self-centered that your name literally becomes an adjective to describe pride and self-centeredness
SylenDraws It's what he would've wanted
It's literally the name of a disorder at this point
would he have wanted it? he's immortalized, yes, since he has a mental disorder named after him because he was the guy who suffered from it most prominently.
Well nowadays he is quite literally everywhere. Its almost as if he managed to possess a good portion of the human race.
Relatable
I love how it’s just been accepted that Achilles and Patroclus were in love by basically everyone
Piper Hays Except the American education system lol
They weren't gay, it literally just says in the Iliad that they were just close friends
@@itsrdr3708 with benefits
@@smellulater1123 another reason i loved my 11th grade history teacher-- he was meta enough to just straight up tell us that Achilles and Patrocles were lovers and that's why they made us read the Iliad and odyssey in reverse chronological order-- they didn't think our young innocent brains could handle the gay subtext of the Iliad
ItsRDR but their “friendship” has a lot of gay in it
"also, as is pretty common among cute boys in greek mythology, he turns into a flower upon dying..."
It's okay, you can say hyacinthus.
New idea: play dating sim. Become narcissus. Date yourself.
Greece: become Narcissus.
Ah yes, self-cest
It ain't an Overly Sarcastic Productions video without some gay greek love.
In all seriousness, i would love to play a dating sim taking place in greek mythology.
Holy cow, a thousand likes, WTF XD
Bad ending? You're a cow. Bye dude.
Bad endings?
You're now a spider.
You're now a constellation
You're now a flower
etc. etc. etc.
I'd pay for that, at least you always have Zeus to be your backdoor man.
This is what I live for. I would pay good money for that shit.
No matter whom you romance, they always turn out to be Zeus in disguise.
Anyone else was dumb enough to actually try to tap the screen to pick their character? Cause uh...same.
*I need to sleep.*
It wouldn't let me pick Red for some reason. 1/5 Needs more reflective pools and less people under a 10.
me
only a madman wouldnt pick Red ;)
Izzy
I was.
So did I but I got the one I picked
Narcissus is literally the definition of ‘I like you but I like me more’
I hope I'm not the only one who loves how androgynous Narcissus is? It somehow fits him extremely well.
2:00 I'm sorry, but Helen's play time is incredible.
How many years is that?
@@andresmarrero8666 A little over ten years, assuming be time format is hours : minutes : seconds.
@@MatsuoTanuki geez how much content did they pack into that route. Almost as long as the odyssey. Or half of it.
compared to that, Patroclus is only 17 hours into that route, and it feels like there won't be much more...
assuming your doing that route as a job, working 52 weeks a year it would take 42 years and 7 weeks to do
Note: Nemesis is also sometimes considered an aspect of Aphrodite and is a divine epithet of Aphrodite. Basically an alter ego for when Aphrodite gets mad or someone‘s a total jerk when it comes to love or romance. That’s why some stories say Aphrodite punishes Narcissus
Echo: Bad End
Ameinias: Bad End
Némesis: **H E A V E N S. F E E L**
2:48 Wow. WOW. Rejecting someone and telling them to kill themselves because they were unfortunate enough to be rejected by him. I’d say that Nemesis was too easy on him, but killing himself slowly as a result of his own vanity, the source of the people he had murdered by proxy-perfect.
(On a side note, “disappointed albatross.” I’m surprised she didn’t kill him there and then.)
I mean, he isn't a nice person, but he doesn't deserve to slowly die, especially since rejecting someone and them suiciding as a result of it isn't murder
I’d love that dating sim without a doubt
Ever heard of Kamigami no Asobi? It's a dating sim where you can actually date Greek (and Norse) gods
@@sailoritaly probably not as accurate.
Andres Marrero Eh, probably
*when you realize that Nemesis's plan backfired because Narcissus died happy.*
weeeeeeeeell, kind of... but he was also overcome with sheer longing, so, debatable.
You know between the fact that Narcissus thinks that he is the single most brilliant point in the universe, and is so consumed with their own magnificence that he couldn't care less about what others think and feel about him... It's ironic that he is actually the exact opposite of the psychological condition that was named after him.
No, he's the exact same, that's why they named it after him. You're thinking of social anxiety.
Ancient Greece seemed to have a lot of stories about arrogance being a bad thing. Maybe we should bring back this strange cultural phenomenon?
"Fake News" -Donald Trump
especially nowadays with all the "selfies" and instagram "models".
Thing about that is, there was a serious "know your place" element to the idea of hubris. It wasn't so much not being arrogant, as it was trying to be anything you weren't already. Most of the stories that lasted long enough publicly to get written down were heavily weighted in support of the existing orders of the time. So every myth with the element of hubris was really telling people rebellion against the temples and whatever form of city leaders was basically pointless and doomed to failure. These are the people who made Prometheus, the creator of mankind, the bad guy in his own story for giving humans fire and with it civilization. That's not to say that the myths are entirely without merit, but Greek myths particularly made a habit out of revising local folklore into a larger pantheon by way of socio-political revisionism, and character modification.
Not at lot of them had bad endings. Persus had a happy ending with him marrying a princess, his adoptive father becoming king and living happily ever after with his wife, two mothers and father.
Why? isn't the Bible enough to tell us how bad Arrogance is? in fact all Humans suffer because of the Hubris of one particular being.
A mythological dating sim?...TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!!
It's called Kamigami no Asobi. It's also an anime
@@sailoritaly is it any good?
Apparently. It's got a 7.3 out of 10, so that's good at least (Haven't played it myself since I have no interest in men)
@@sailoritaly ah shit. I though it was gonna be both gods and goddesses oh well. You can't win em all.
Narcissus: There is no one more handsome than me.
Alcibiades: Oh really?
Narcissus: Why do I here boss music?
Ha
It’s not that special lmao basically every myth has this one dude who’s like super cute and is said to be the most beautiful/handsome person alive so being called most “handsome” at this point is like being a child of Zeus you ain’t special but if we’re going to get technical here Narcissus is hotter the Alcibiades as Alcibiades is a real person while Narcissus is a fictional one obviously a fictional character is going to have more perfect features then a real human being but they both have trash personalities
Artemis: "Gotta say, I don't normally pay attention to love stuff, but that punishment was a work of art, Nems. Holy crap, that was so cruelly ironic. You do not pull any punches when it comes to revenge, do you?"
Nemesis: "Never have, never will. Not like you're any slouch in that department either, Arty. Getting a guy's hounds to rip him apart 'cause he peeped on you while you were bathing? Us-damn. I took notes."
Artemis: "I mean, I did turn him into a stag first..."
Nemesis: "Then it was even better than I thought!"
Athena, pinching the bridge of her nose: "The world is not ready for you two working together..."
Someone make this dating sim a thing, my life depends on succeeding In the Dionysus ruit. ... No seriously, it does. Pro tip, don't make bets with the gods
Did no one in the Greek Mythosphere care about anything deeper than looks? The guy has the personality of a chemical spill.
I think there was one story the was deeper than looks a loan
David Bost, he’s more like a guy who took one too many WEED smoakes.
aka *_T O X I C_*
That metaphor made me crack up.
So the flower he turns into is known for looking amazing but smelling absolutely horrible
Thank you for "You're So Vain." It's perfect for Narcissus, and it honestly cracks me up every time I hear it. She's holding it against you for thinking the song she wrote about you is about you. THAT is Master-Class bitterness right there.
Also, the version of this myth I always heard was that Narcissus died by drowning trying to get to his reflection.
You don't date Hades or Persephone, you date both of them and become part of their open marriage
*The good ending*
That's literally how my last conversation about greek mythology ended XD
I'm not much for dating sims, but I'd play "Ancient Greece: Dating Sim" every route. And I'd actually buy the game. And merch. Everything.
Who would you date?
Kaori Miyazono
I would date Hecate.
I remember being shown an Oedipus dating sim sometime back. Core idea was Dionysus catching Oedipus right after he kills his father, and then taking him and 6 ladies (one of whom is secretly his mother) to Las Vegas for a week to see if he can manage to not date his mother.
Honin Akecheta good news then, I managed to look it up and the game on steam! store.steampowered.com/app/757540/?snr=1_5_9__205
It’s simply called Oedipus Dating Sim. No idea if it’s available elsewhere.
rynard: There is no free will in that story. He will date his mother no matter how hard he tries not to. Everything he does to try to not date his mother will lead to him dating his mother.
A Greek dating game without Aphrodite
*IMPOSSIBLE*
Patrick Oswald Ponferrada you can pursue her or she can be your wingman ( just don't declare anyone or yourself more beautiful than her or she'll pull a just Monika on you)
*I'm not sure if this is an add up or something else*
Idea: Aphrodite just randomly spawns into the game to offer help
I love how in Red's retelling Nemesis doesn't even cast a spell on him, Narcissus has just never seen his reflection all that clearly
What if Narcissus had like siblings that were just exaggerated versions of different traits. Like Anxietis, the overly anxious. The thought of social contact makes him faint.
Sounds like a fanfic waiting to happen
Um, you mean me?
same
Nice Jaidenanimations reference
I'm sure there is but he is too nervous to tell his story.
Hmmm... I could go for Hades, provided I didn't have to compete with Persephone. The H-man _is_ honestly one of the best in the pantheon as I see it, but actually _stealing_ a goddess' man sounds like a shortcut to "fertility" being redefined from "I can have children" to "a literal _garden_ is bursting from my loins and the vines are starting to dig through my abdominal wall".
Considering what Persephone did to last one that tried to flirt with Hades, you're not wrong.
*sees very detailed threat* Are you okay?
Didn't that happen to the river sprite/nymph/whatever? I think that was the origin story of how the plant mint came to be.
+Katherine Barrow
Yep. Minthe; she was a naiad of the Kokytos, one of the five rivers that run through the Underworld.
Okay I have a question: Why not date Apollo? I know everyone that he ends up falling for ends up dead like they said in the video but so far it doesn't seem to be his fault, they either commit suicide (for....some reason I guess?) Or in that one case that one God got jealous and killed him (which I can't accept Apollo didn't kick Zypher's ass for.) So really none of it is really his fault.
Otherwise I might have suggested Hephaestus, sure he's not really a looker from most renditions but he's not a murderous psychopath either, problem is he did try to get rather frisky with Athena without her consent one time and I'm not one to suggest hooking up with rapists.
Now for girls.....yeah not a lot of options they're either not interested in love or already married, If you somehow managed to find and restore Echo back to her old self she seems nice enough but those are some big ifs.
Of course, there's another version of Echo's tale...
Wherein Pan puts the moves on her, she repeatedly rejects him, and Pan, being the god of civility and restraint, promptly tears her to pisces...
Nothing but her voice remains.
Even Echo's myths are echoes of each other. Not opposites, not parallel, merely beside one another.
Details differ, but the consequences are the same.
Except in theming.
In one, the reader is left mainly with profound sadness for her fate.
In the other, profound rage.
I love how Narcissus calls Nemesis a disappointed albatross
Bonus points for the Hairspray ref.
Musical Hell Love your videos 👍🏼
So I guess we can call Narcissus a selfish fool who never understood
Where is it??
1:49
Tru, thx
You have to do it now. You have to make that dating sim with every myth/religion ever.
I found it really unfortunate that Nemesis only appears for this one myth and not much else. Goddess of revenge and retribution sounds cool and all she does is point at a pond.
Read the Cypria (especially Fragment 8). She also has an appearance there.
She’s one of my favorite underrated goddesses for a reason
Fun Fact: The amount of hours played in the save slot for Helen is almost the amount of hours in ten years. Which is how long the Trojan War lasted. Really cool detail!
If you manage to snag Perseus, there's at least a 75% chance of living a full life! (note: you will most likely have to deal with your mother's arrogance and being a part of a terrible prophecy before this)
And you gotta remember to (under all circumstances )close your eyes when he tells you to.
You also forget that Eros is totally a good ending. It's just that to get there, you have to play a shit ton of point and click games.
I love how all of Narcissus’s speech bubbles have little sparkles around them. That was a nice touch. Also, I really want that Greek mythology dating sim!
Achilles and Patroclus literally couple goals
Red: "Select your character"
Me: "Echo"
Red: *picks Echo
Holy......
You should totally make that dating sim. With lots of gay dating as well. You could be rich!
😐🤔😨
Echo uses charm:it has little effect!
Nemesis uses pool:it’s super effective
Plz comment
The one I read was while Narcissus was staring at himself in the lake/ pond he gets a sudden urge to kiss his own reflection and ultimately falls into the water. He didn’t know how to swim so he ended up drowning. One of the gods felt pity or what not so they turned him into a flower
What wack ass god felt pity for that thing?
2:19 is that achilles and patroclus poster merch?? because I absolutely need it
I remember one version going that Echo was punished by Artemis for associating with Zeus (as Artemis and her associated nymphs are celibate) and that it was Aphrodite punished Narcissus for rejecting Echo so cruelly.
Said version state that he killed himself when he couldn't embrace his reflection, his blood springing flowers (said grouping of flowers, interestingly, being/including daffodils).
Daffodils are scientifically named narcissis and they are poisonous.
@@notinorder9630, which actual narcissists are.
Poisonous people narcissists are.
Oddly, daffodils are quite pretty
@@Tokuijin more like fittingly. Narcissists like Narcis are pretty on teh outside but poisonous in reality.
Just like decieving plants, who look pretty but are poisonous people who are narcissistic may be pretty to look at but damaging to be around.
I thought it was Hera that punished her fot stalling her to help zeus and punished her to only repeat phrases. According to the book of mythologies, that's what Hera did, not Athena.
@@merounelorelei2951, that's one telling (every myth have variants on how/why they happened) and I didn't say "Athena", I said Artemis
I am Narcissus's little brother,
Social Anxietus! I die every time someone looks at me!
LMFAO
You're a JaidenAnimations fan, aren't you?
So, reverse medusa?
This is me.
JAIDEN ANIMATIONS-
I wonder if the dating sim would include some of the more horrible "love" stories. Like the story of the princess Callisto who was Artemis' hunter. Zeus "fell in love" with her and in order to...gain her trust or something...he transformed into...Artemis! Then he promptly forced himself upon Callisto. Then when the real Artemis discovered that Callisto was pregnant she banished the poor girl. Then Hera turned Callisto into a bear. Later Callisto's son almost kills his own mom while hunting (since he doesn't that the bear is his mom) when Zeus finally intervenes and turns both mother and son into constellations. That's a story with a lot of victim blaming.
Am I the only one who thinks Ameinias is the cutest male character that Red has ever designed? It's like, Narcissus, how can you resist such adorable-ness?
His loss. I'm straight man and I'll absolutely be friends with Ameinias
I think Michael from the Stranger in a Strange Land video is also super cute. I am getting attached to that guy. Michael and Amenias do look pretty similar. Both of them are super cute guys with fluffy hair. Fortunately Michael does get a lot of lovey dovey action. That is nice. Unfortunately he eventually dies a really gruesome death. Aww. I guess in both cases the good die young. Red has a good art style in general. She is good at drawing cute guys.
@@c.d.dailey8013 Agreed. x3
Petition for Blue to code the game (I heard he mentioned coding in his collage videos) and for Red to do the visuals.
Signed
I thought up two ace routes if anyone has any ideas to branch off of these I'd love to hear them! My two ideas are the shipper route and the nice girl/boy/person who listens, depends on which way you’d like to take it. So in the shipper route you can team up with Aphrodite and find all the ships (gay or otherwise) and you become besties with Aphrodite by the end, also may include: picking which god/mortal you help with their love life, having Zeus flirt with you and have Aphrodite smack him across the face, and accidentally starting the Trojan war. Some achievements are: All is fair as long as your ship sails, Shipping war, poor Apollo, the ship has sailed, and shipping besties. The second route is that you're Dionysus' right-hand man/woman/person and every god and mortal whose love life goes downhill (Apollo is there a lot) comes to Dionysus' bar and just complains, if you can get every god/mortal to get back out into the world of love you win! If not you get to feel sad about it for the rest of your life, some achievements include:
a shoulder to cry on, careful with that sword, Apollo's garden, no thanks, bro, and the bachelor party. These are just random ideas that popped into my head and I probably put way to much thought into this, hope you enjoyed all of this.
Being Aphrodite’s shipping buddy sounds like a dream come true
You forgot "Launched 1000 Ships" which would be a really solid achievement name as well for the reference/pun.
@Alpin Art PLUS if you choose to play as a girl you can date Artemis at the end
How would one unlock the achievements you listed? I can probs guess that 'Shipping War' is accidentally causing the Trojan war, but I'm not sure about the other ones. If you don't have them all decided, might I suggest that 'All is Fair as Long as Your Ship Sails' consists of breaking up a "canonical" couple (like Achilles/Patroclus, Eros/Psyche, Hades/Persphone, etc), or other such unethical things to get a ship together? Also achievement suggestions: #'Nice Going Casanova': Fail to get a ship together, #'Romeo/Juliet': Pair a couple together, only for them to die at the end (Achilles/Patroclus would be an easy way to get this achievement)
I love Red's interpretations of Artemis and Athena
Let's be honest. A game about Greek romance is more of a survival horror than dating sim.
I would 100% play a greek mythology dating sim
I keep thinking about which characters would be hardcore mode, like trying to date Apollo or Helen and don't died.
Same