i just wish i had pre ordered it when i saw it, that exclusive skin immediately makes me think “if Jason was in DbD, that’s what his Blight skin would look like.”
Did they (Gun) totally give up the limited license they did have? 'Cause I''m thinking if they didnt and the lawsuit is or very close to being totally resolved, maybe they could put some more love back into it?
And you wanna know the funny thing? Jason the slasher ended up not even playing into the lawsuit. The IP rights to the original movie were rewarded to the writer, but Jason's mother was the villain of that one, Jason wasn't even present except as a corpse, so the slasher version of him stayed in the same copyright position as it was beforehand.
I'm very pleasantly surprised by how much fun the game is for both sides. Killers feel powerful and survivor gameplay is engaging and intense. This is a MASSIVE step up from Friday the 13th. I didn't like F13 but very much enjoy this game.
My only complaint is that running around endlessly looking for a survivor is gonna get old really quick. There's no scratch marks and while at the beginning survivors makes a ton of noise as they get better they will be stealthier and stealthier
Yeah from what I've watched of F13, when you were caught you were pretty much dead. You had to hide really well and somehow get away from him but he had auras and the invisibility thing.
I just want some more variety. DBD gets boring after awhile having only one game mode and it's not scary or intense unless it's a killer with a jumpscare build. I'm just glad that there's gonna be another asymmetrical game that's fun to play.
for me it was because all the major developers and publishers for AAA games have been force feeding us garbage unfinished games. I got hooked on DBD because of how polished (relatively) the multiplayer was and how different it was. Smaller developer (relatively) putting out a game i missed over the years somehow. will continue to try games in this genre.
Scott, I want to tell you that the devs have the right to make original content, Johnny and sissy are two original killers made with the original creator of the ip for the games release. They’ve spoken about how they already have content planned
It's like the majority of games that come out, they dont aim to be a thing that lasts 10 years they serve to come out and just be fun and when you have your fill cool you can move on, maybe come back a while later with your friends to revisit it. It's not a bad thing, people just have frankly stupid expectations these days. It's perfectly okay for a game to do a thing and not intend to be a live service or be updated or try to be esports or something. A game can just be fun and that's it.
The problem is, that's not how you make money from your investment. Unless you rake money on launch, you're taking a loss with that kind of business model and no publisher will accept that
@@WutTheDeuceGaming maybe if you're a company spending 100 million dollars on a game and double that on marketing but this game is nowhere near a huge big budget AAA gaming experience and frankly it shouldn't be. This is solidly more indie or AA title. It's not shooting for the stars and it doesn't have the budget to do that either. I highly doubt this game would push past even 10 million dollars of budget and that's on the super high end I'd expect it to be much lower. Friday the 13th had probably 2 or 3 million total? This game would cost more and id imagine this is more towards 5-7 million. Which you don't need to sell a shit ton to make back. Sell half a million copies and you make a ton of money, sell half that to make a decent profit which isn't unrealistic.
@@WutTheDeuceGaminglmao what are you even talking about This is an IP cookie cutter game, no sane publisher/investor would treat this as anything more than a self-funding advertisement
Dbd never intended to get as big as it has, sometimes great games start as a small project and they pick up steam, a lot of games are trying to do too much and they never see a fraction of the profit return dbd has
I agree with your point about the devs intentions not wanting to kill DBD. I think they set out to create an authentic TCM experience which is fun for both sides. From early impressions they seem to have achieved this goal.
@@vegg6408 Not true at all. There are still players in ps4 lobbies and it takes less than 5 mins to get a game. Yes, there are a lot of trolls, but the game hasn't been updated in like 6 years
@@vegg6408 Very inaccurate actually lol, i play it daily still on the PS and i have 0 issues finding a game or players the most im waiting to get into a lobby is about 1 minute 10 seconds, and if it puts me in my own lobby it takes about 2 minutes max for it to fill with players, it's still doing well enough considering how much it has gone through and how long it has been since release....unlike Evil Dead which unfortunately i cannot for the life of me find any games.
Remember that in the full game theirs more maps, night and day versions of each map, skill trees to level up, more characters to choose from, the game as is, is very fun but not a lot of content so I can't wait to see the full release
People really want a competitor to DbD, as that will strongarm the game into improving in order to keep up. Unfortunately, that means new asymm games that come up get saddled with that responsibility first and foremost
I think many who hate DbD for some reason still play the game. At least that's how it seems. Some want a different game in the same niche, others want improvements and believe that competition is the key.
This game is a lot like F13 The Game that seems very different, unique, and fun. However, this game will never kill DBD. But at least something else is in its circle.
The other two killers not in the test, Sissy and Johnny, were made in collaboration with the writer of the original TCM, so im hopeful that they'll be able to release new characters consistently. Im also interested to see if they'll put in different iterations of Bubba to keep his role fresh too
they probably won't because it seems like they're going for a pretty grounded tone with this game, but there is a lot of truly bizarre shit that happens in the texas chainsaw sequels that would be hilarious to see come to this game. in the very first sequel, Dennis Hopper plays a cowboy-hat-wearing sheriff who has a lightsaber-style chainsaw battle with leatherface in the family's home, which is now an abandoned carnival. he has 3 chainsaws and he has holsters for them.
To be fair, I think the reason Friday the 13th was neglected is because of the license issues it had. The devs couldn't deliver enough content and updates because they weren't allowed to (at least that's what I heard). And I liked F13 a lot. But apparently in this game the devs will have more freedom because Sissy and Johnny (2 upcoming killers) are actually not movie based characters, they're new. They're probably allowed to create new stuff to some extent. If TCSM gets more love and attention than F13 did, I could see this as a pretty solid asym horror game competitor. I'm so damn bored of DbD 😴 (Also, Evil Dead game was never fun to me. Sorry, not sorry.)
Demon on Evil Dead is incredibly boring and I honestly just don't see how people can play it. Especially the early game where you're just floating around collecting energy and all the units you use get their asses kicked. I also think that game has a horrible progression system, in that you both level up outside of and inside of matches, and sometimes the power level between a new player and a veteran player is so vast that it just doesn't feel very fun to play. When I'm playing killer in DBD, I can make some satisfying plays, each hit feels like I did damage. In Evil Dead, the combat feels clunky, and again the level differences and characters can actually make your incredibly powerful ancient undead demons feel like they have pool noodles for arms. A couple of my friends really love Evil Dead, and one of them insists it's so much better than DBD, but personally I just think DBD has far better gameplay than Evil Dead.
@@brad1426 lol same situation here. I also have friends who love Evil Dead. Can't wrap my head around it, the gameplay is extremely boring and bland on both sides... Whatevs, let them enjoy it.
People are definitely underestimating how much they can add to the game but i believe it will still be limited to a shorter lifespan than dbd and doubt its lasting some 5+ years. It could put up a decent run tho for sure and doubt it's just here for a few months.
I have only one take, being last victim or two victims is easier to escape cause you can easily cause noise or use the fuse to open the basement gate and run for another exit to bait them and run away, the cook isn't always guaranteed to get an aura reading all the time.
I think there won't ever be a true "dbd killer", dbd has too many years of content and too many licensed characters for any game to truly compete with it. I don't see dbd dying anytime soon unless BHVR majorly fucks up AND somehow loses all licensed characters, kind of reminds me of "old" netflix, where for a cheap price you could stream practically every movie/ tv series, until producers saw how much money netflix was making and decided to pull out and start their own stream services. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre seems fun, it will be good while it lasts, but a game lasting for years is the exception, not the norm
The only possible dbd killer would be a copy. The issue is that any game in this segment tries to be very distinct from dbd by adding and removing features and this results in unfun mechanics.
@@derunfassbarebielecki I would argue that even if someone made a "better dbd", not having Michael Myers, Freddy Krueger, Albert Wesker, etc, even if they had "equivalent" killers, would be enough for this new game to not be as prosperous as dbd is
The devs of this game have to right to make original content themed around TCM, The team has been working with Henkel (original writer) to make original characters like Johnny and sissy who will be in the game
It's insanely fun. I somehow got into the technical test via Steam lottery,, and I've had a blast playing it all day. Bubba is super fun, and if you use his chainsaw right u can kill victims in a single hit, so catching them in the open is a death sentence. Playing as Victim feels super tense but also rewarding, I love the stealthing you have to do, as well as the mini-games to interact with your environment. Overall, I'm very excited for its official release and I can't wait until we can access all of the customization and leveling options in the full release.
Asym-Slashers is a broad genre. The only game that competes with DBD is VHS - Last Year only competes with Evil Dead - Friday the 13th only competes with Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There's not enough overlap. It's true some of the games may or may not be 3rd person or 1st person, and have players doing similar styled tasks - but gameplay and overall scope is different. It's like you can compare Call of Duty to Battlefield, because they're very similar. But you can't compare Call of Duty to Counterstrike, because they're VERY different. *The reality though* - The more asym-slashers we get, the more glaring DBD's problem will become. The introduction of more variety WON'T KILL DBD - but more people are going to begin to realize how flawed DBD is, and perhaps start turning their attention more towards games that fill the gaps that DBD can't. DBD needs broadening out. *New modes-- New mechanics-- New service-- New trajectory--* Without those, the game *will die,* because who can honestly stay interested in a game when there's only one objective with one set of tasks you have to do in order to win? Even Among Us got a new mode. There's no excuse why a game going into it's 8th year isn't even getting a *secondary* mode. It's times like this when you CAN compare this game to other asym-slashers. Because it's a basic requirement. Every multiplayer game should have it to some degree.
I cringe whenever I hear "DBD killer" phrase. As if this game aims to do that... It will have it's own dedicated fan base and the game with the help of progression systems, cosmetics and unlockables will thrive for a long time. "License is too limited to have that longevity". Hard disagree, you don't need a million of licenses to keep your game afloat like DBD does, all it takes is a creative game design and balancing to keep the game fresh no matter how many months have gone by.
Agreed. Whoever the team is for Bubbas game they can do so much more. As long as they are creative, listen to the community, add unique and fun modes, keeps things nice and balance unlike fucking Behavior where they can't do jack shit and have to please the survivor side more often. Dead by Daylight is just starting to get boring as hell, it's been the same shit for 6 years and will be.
Not every game needs to be a massive decade long live service product. A solid game with a good run of content for a year or 2 should be the expectation going forward for the health of the industry. I look forward to that experience with this game. The game is great, really solid loop with its own identity, and it actually attempts to create an effective horror atmosphere, masterfully recreating the atmosphere and vibes of the original film. If you're a fan of classic horror like myself, and the original film especially, the game is a must play and you will be very pleased.
If the game is successful enough, I could see a shift in the core gameplay where you choose a "family" first and that family could be from any horror franchise. Cenobites, Voorhees, Myers, Chucky Dolls; so many horror franchises have underutilized side casts that would fit this mold of chaser/brute/support. You could even do multiple iterations of Freddy from Real World/Dreamworld/Final Nightmare. Slaughterhouse Seven, coming 2026.
Its a texas chainsaw massacre game, it is officially licensed from them. We dont know what their contract looks like, and adding other series into a game licensed off of one might not be possible. The entire point of the game is to be Bubba, not other killers. Dead by Daylight is Dead by Daylight, not Halloween. I could see maybe some collabs at best, but considering how Bubba is treated in DBD, I dont think the license holders are super willy nilly do whatever you want. Bubba has like 3 skins total and its been 5.5 years or something. Meanwhile CapCom doesnt really care about their resident evil characters as much. Id fully expect the TCM license holders to be very very stingy and makes getting licenses twice as hard in a game like this. They want this to be THEIR game
If F13 was an original killer game it would be so popular. Just like DBD, they could get liscenses and add new killers, perks, maps, etc. The same formula but not from a liscensed franchise. I rarely got tilted playing that game, it was so good.
Became an unbalanced mess imo requiring lots of playtime and prestiging characters for bonuses to their abilities. Other than that it’s fun but it faces same issue that this game will face. There’s only so much you can do with an evil dead liscence. Combat wise it’s superior to both but dbd has its longevity simply because of all its licenses. Until another game comes out that can acquire that many licenses like dbd then there’s just no competition.
@@mihalypetranyi4042 that’s true but the evil dead original movies were more action and just a funny slasher filled with Bruce cam bell one liners. That was what gave it charm. None of the games are scary but if your looking for survival horror asymmetrical isn’t the best place. Texas chainsaw massacre does it best of the three though. Also the new outlast trials.
I'm honestly just happy someone flat out said its fine that this game doesn't have staying power. When a single player game comes out no one is screaming "Where's the staying power for years!?!" But when a multiplayer game comes out everyone loses their shit if its not something that will become the next Fortnite or Dead by Daylight. Stuff like Among Us & Fall Guys are a blast for me to play with friends on a random night once every few months and its perfectly fine that I'm not playing those daily. Even if this game doesn't have staying power it still looks to be something that I'd play non stop for a month or so at release with friends and then we might dust off the game during a lull in new games coming out.
I knew the game would have a lot going on for it, considering that f13 was a lot of fun for both sides and set itself apart in a good way from dbd. I'm sure they can fix some of the bigger complaints too, considering that in f13 they changed rage from being an active skill to being a passive one and replaced it with stalk before the game came out, just based on beta feedback.
When the game releases, everyone will play johnny and sissy, losing the slowdown of cooks/hitchhikers powers but becoming way deadlier, both sides will speed up all kinds of actions through attributes and perks and the new survivor will have a sprint burst power. High level matches will end in about 2 minutes
They aren’t restricted just to the tcm license. All victims in the play test were original (maybe Leland was at least inspired by Kirk in the first movie). The slaughterhouse map is original (the series does have slaughterhouses but the are similar in name only). And the two leaked killers Jonny and sissy are also original. The only real restriction the devs have is 70s’fying everything.
I think there is a way to make it last quite a bit longer, which is if they adapt the licenses for the sequels to add maps and characters, and then if they're really ambitious, to adapt the licenses for Rob Zombie's 'House of 1000 Corpses', 'Devil's Rejects', and '3 from Hell' for the same purpose. From there they could move through the more gore-hound-esque horror properties like Eli Roth's 'Green Inferno' and 'Haunt'. I definitely think there are ways to make this a serious competitor on the asymmetrical pvp market, now whether or not the devs WANT to do that, or they would rather move on to a new property is entirely up to them.
True. They can do so much more. Maybe add different fun and unique modes, add maps and skins to all characters and allow us to customize them or something. And I hope it does that. Dead by Daylight has been the same shit for 6 years and still will be.
They are allowed to make original characters and already have 2 original killers ready for release, Johnny and sissy. Both of which were made with the original writers help.
The characters don’t have to be licensed from the movies they made original family members like Johnny and sissy so they could probably have a pretty long lifespan but it’s not gonna kill DBD at all
Hope it does become dead by daylight community is the most pathetic community I've ever seen in all gaming history and the developers don't seem to give a shit about killers much.
we need more games like this. it’s refreshing and exciting to try out new games in this category. i don’t get why many people are so mad and try to compare it to DBD. it‘s a nice alternative to play solo or with friends and we can‘t judge this quick because it‘s still in its development.
Keep in mind Most dbd players don’t realize their game is fundamentally unfun. ruclips.net/video/v0A0Xy7DExg/видео.html they will recycle their own vomit that was served into their own personal dog plate by bhvr and say “yeah our game isn’t going to die anytime soon☝️🤓” while also failing to realize that, a game like dbd is to be short lived and it can die anytime. their devs haven’t made a change in 7 years into their cat and mouse gameplay. Let’s see if they can get it to 15 years. Also kinda weird for a company to take in critics but never take account of their fundamentals. The shady practices of acquiring licenses they do and buying back players with DLCs just tells me what I need to know. Anyways, I partly blame consumers, they want something new but they shoot themselves in the foot 🤷♂️.
As someone that's not a horror fan, most of my introduction and awareness of DbD killers is from the game itself, so seeing Bubba in a different game feels like a cameo instead of him being in his source material haha
I think people need to unlearn that games need to, quote on quote, "last long" or "bring down x game" because sometimes some devs just want to make a fun game and that game may have a year worth of content and then die off. Which is fine, nothing wrong with a game coming out, having it's time, and then fading off because that's how most games go and isn't a bad thing. I wish the best for this game and seriously hope it gets the money it deserves and does well, then go into the vault of "games that you can go back to with friends and enjoy"
It's definitely a good game to cooldown from DBD burnout. It's fun more engaging and there's many ways to play a match. In terms of DLC, my guess would be include different variations of Bubbas based on movies --currently is based on 1st one. I'm not sure if it could happen but if they are able to make other franchises crossovers i.e., Saw. That could definitely extend the game's life span. Also, the game is aiming for very deep builds and perks based on progression. While is good at the same time could make game balancing a nightmare. When you have a Victim like Connie that her base kit can cheese and almost ignore unlocking mechanics, just imagine with perks/skill trees. Ana has a base kit dead hard and she can tank TONS of damage, and so on...
Your assessment of duration of games is spot-on, and something I feel has been far too warped by a few live-service games for younger generations. I think back to the heyday of CoD and those games would have one year of being the newest title, and then a year or so after where people still played them, then they fell off in terms of players and no one threw a fit that the game wasn't designed to bleed them of their money forever through microtransactions. I think it is far better and more virtuous to get a game into a stable state and then let it remain there without trying to turn everything into a "death by one thousand cuts" type of microtransaction/battlepass hell that so many multiplayer games want to become. I miss the days of just releasing a complete game and letting it be, with DLCs as a nice addition but not an expected model to try to frankenstein a game into a state of painful undeath.
Even if the game does not last long its nice to have a different game in the rotation for when DBD feels stale. I think the game will do well since they have so many films to work with for maps/characters and the fact everybody keeps saying it feels like F13th is a big W in my book.
Great knowing it does play like F13. I prefered it to DbD, both different games, but still always enjoyed F13 more due to being more than just sitting on gens, plus the lobby system was fun, chaotic, never being stuck to one role while playing with friends. I trusted the game would be good because it was Gun, but having not kept up with it, I had no idea how they could balance 4v3 when most are 4v1, or F13, 7v1. The dichotomy seems interesting and actually makes the 4v3 seem like it may be decently balanced.
This game is a stark contrast to F13, both are produced by Gun media. F13 never got rid of their bugs, they never really tried. I think this will do a lot better in the long run because I think Gun learned a lesson with the F13 game.
When Scott started complaining about Cook, I knew he had to play with voice chat off. Really should have given voice chat a fair play. Other streamers played with voice chat and some did play office with voice chat
Yeah Friday would have died eventually but don't forget Scott it was still going pretty strong till it hit the wall with the Lawsuit... They literally were getting ready to release all sorts of content and were working on a new game mode... When all of the sudden bam they had to stop all of that and the only things they could do were minor minor game adjustments... They couldn't even really change barely anything they had already released... Friday in my opinion gameplay-wise is simply the better game(Dbd obviously had the stronger market position...) The issue became that the Lawsuit over rights dragged on for so long that they had no way to do new things with the game because they weren't allowed to... The funny part is that the lawsuit didn't even have anything to do with the game itself it was literally just a slap fight over who owned the rights to the first movie and who owned Jason and all that... I think Friday would still be alive today if it hadn't been for the Lawsuit... It probably wouldn't be as popular as it was but it wouldn't be undead like it is...
I never wanted a DBD killer, I just want a multiplayer horror experience with gameplay I actually find fun, and this game looks like that. I never much liked DBD's gameplay loop and grind but I don't want the game to die either. I hope this opens up the gate for more devs to be daring with the asym genre.
I think for the cook if he left out bowls of chili that would make survivors gag or puke if they get too close would be cool since he cooks and then you can have it be like an audio indicator
Sounds like bubba and cook are meant to stick together most of the time, while hitch is supposed to go hunting one person. Hitch can overwhelm people given enough time, and force them back into the house where there’s more places to lose the killer. Meanwhile, cook can lead bubba to someone, force them into a corner together because they can cut off loops and do bonus damage together. Plus, even with cook’s limited stamina and damage, he can track people even in the basement with his abilities. That leaves 2 people doing whatever, which hitch can interrupt relatively easily.
Honestly people asking if this game is gonna kill DbD is so confusing. Yes, there could be a game to dethrone DbD, but it's gonna be this game lol. Having said that though, the original TCM has always been one of my favorite horror movies, so I was soooo happy when they made a game around the 70s Bubba and the family. Now if I can just get a Halloween game set in Haddonfield, I'll be set.
People should really stop looking to Gun Media (the devs) for a 'DBD killer'. Gun has come out and repeatedly said they just want to make games that make the franchises new and fun again, because they're fans of those franchises. I wouldn't be surprised if a Halloween game is next on the docket once TCM has run its course. They'll develop it for a few years, a lot of content creators will talk about how much fun it is, it'll be improved, new content will be added until they hit a wall with the IP, and then they'll move to the next thing. 'Games as a service' are precisely the OPPOSITE of what these guys want to do, and I applaud them for it. They've picked a lane, and they plan to stick to it. Big ups. I'm glad Scott sees that, too. It's something good and new and fun, and gets you away from the slog of other things so those other things become fresh again. And BHVR might look at this and take an idea or two for QoL things, like they did when VHS was popular, and when F13 was popular. I'm not saying it'll always be good ideas (because this IS BHVR we're talking about), but when people excitedly run to other things, they tend to take the time to figure out what to do to keep DBD fresh. Honestly, we need a good asymm horror game every couple years to keep BHVR on their toes. Competition is good.
Voice chat requirement also basically kills it for streaming, so they really do need to do something about it. Overall the game was fun though, a lot more fun than I've had in DBD even with some of the more frustrating parts.
I am pretty damn disappointed by the info you dropped about Cook... I watched Bahroo play for a bit yesterday, one of the games was cook. I'm pretty sure at that time everyone thought that Cook's spotting actually revealed survivors to your team, and he was kinda spam marking survivors to make sure people knew where they were. Hell a follow up game he was Leatherface and was saying that Cook must be AFK, at some point found him actually trying to mark people and said that he must just not be doing well. It just makes no sense. To me Cook actually seemed the most fun, I like support playstyles and chases aside to me he seemed to have the most to do which I liked. But even having to use voice chat aside, nobody is going to know the map well enough yet to call spotted survivors? I think a super easy way to make it work well would be for Cook's spotting to be shared based on Grandpa's level. Let's say Cook spots someone and they're revealed for 5 seconds, for each level Grandpa has up to 5, Cook's spotting is shared for 1 second. I do get why the info isn't just shared, which is I imagine it'd be OP especially in the early game to basically perma spot any survivors. One last note on it all, I believe the game is supposed to have perks and such on release? If so I imagine that sharing the spotted survivors is going to be something Cook can unlock. Problem is that assuming you aren't forced to take that, it will 100% be meta I imagine, which imo is an issue on its own.
TCM needs crossplay on launch to last more than a few weeks. I feel like Evil Dead is all but forgotten. Honestly at this point only one thing can kill DBD: Behaviour.
Evil Dead just had waaay to much downtime for either side due to how massive the maps were and the time it took to get to the next area of interest. Spending 30 minutes a game is also not exactly appealing.
Evil dead really didn’t cut into dbd that much but I def see this being way more popular than evil dead. I don’t think it would kill it but I think it’s gonna not be the popular choice for a few months to a year
I think these devs have done a great job creating slasher party games, I think if they wanted to add more longevity they could just keep adding IPs with their own modes, sort of like a horror Jackbox or Mario party. On it's own it's interesting and looks fun, but certainly seems like a flash in the pan
Easily the biggest problem is not being able to pick your killer, if this game lasts are we to expect future killers to be random chance whether or not you get them? It basically forces you to just no tplay who you want as is and it's longevity hurts as a result
I don't think its just the license that'll make it not last too long, the gameplay loop relies heavily on the horror aspect of it from the gameplay I've seen, once everyone knows the optimal way to play everything, it feels like it'll lose that spark that's making it exciting to play now, whereas DBD, whilst not needing mechanical skill, has a lot of room to grow to get better at chases
ive seen this take everywhere but the game already has a better gameplay loop than dbd. this game AND f13 have multiple ways you can win which, from what ive seen and played over the years, is more than dbd's generators. plus f13 is still being played for those very reasons. theres more to do and you can escape in different ways every match. and the 3 killers makes this game MILES more intense than any dbd match ive played
F13 had people playing it healthily up until they are about to lose the license. F13 made it 6 years and probably would have made it longer than that if it were not for the lawsuit/licensing issues that sprung up in the middle of its lifespan. F13 is also the most popular slasher franchise out there. Fans would have kept playing that game for a long time. I was and my favorite franchise is Halloween! Is it a DBD killer. There likely wont be, but like many people in the comments are saying lets just enjoy all asyms that are out right now. I enjoy variety! I have 2k hours in DBD and I am just not as enthralled with it as I was once. I enjoyed VHS before it announced its sunset, I like Last Year, I like predator hunting grounds, Ghostbusters Spirits Unleashed, Friday the 13th, TCM, Project Playtime, Depth, White Noise 2, Secret Neighbor, Vade Retro Exorcist, Hide or Die, Evil Dead. Plus we have Killer Klowns, Level Zero, and Carnival Hunt coming out. I enjoy each unique take on the genre as it makes it feel fresh and different. COME TOGETHER, NOT DIVIDE.
i’m just hoping this game doesn’t completely die. yeah a lot of players left the f13 at some point before the lawsuit but it was still alive and had an ok amount of players but when that lawsuit hit it completely killed the game they couldn’t update it and the perks broke and stuff so it basically completely died because of that lawsuit. but with this game if theres no lawsuit i’m sure it’s going to stay as that little game that has a decent amount of players at all times until they decide to not update it anymore
It looks fun. I’ll play it. But I can’t see it lasting more than six months - even with perks etc coming in - because the gameplay is repetitive and certain tactics will be optimised and everyone will then tend to do the same thing to escape/kill. I don’t think they have the license for the sequel, is that true? So that cuts off a lot of skins and new characters, which even the Evil Dead game has done a decent job releasing more of because they can play with the whole franchise.
Review outlast trials next? Don't need to but would like some insight before playing the game myself. Feels like they are trying to do a bit more than this game as far as longevity and whatnot but idk. Would really love a review to get your perspective.
F13 never got to hit its peak because of the license bullshit. There were plenty more maps, characters, and killers (More Jason's, and even Pamela) that they could've done and probably would've. Most fun in a video game I've ever had. The only thing that was a stain when it was live was the damn hackers for me.
Don't like the animations from this game, but I do enjoy that it seems to have more dynamic gameplay. The stamina system sucks but I get why it's there.
I wish this game could stay longer than I think it will stay. Having more than one escape is so much more fun than Dbd, and being able to have teammates with discernible roles as killer is something I didn’t know I wanted.
typical DBD player analysis, teamwork = bad, killer had to do more than just hold w and left click = issue that needs to be reworked, left click being the main attack button = boring, not able for a single survivor to win against 3 killers = unfair unless they're the killer.
god how I wish friday the 13th hadn't suffered from a license issue
i just wish i had pre ordered it when i saw it, that exclusive skin immediately makes me think “if Jason was in DbD, that’s what his Blight skin would look like.”
i’m playing that game again after years lol
Did they (Gun) totally give up the limited license they did have? 'Cause I''m thinking if they didnt and the lawsuit is or very close to being totally resolved, maybe they could put some more love back into it?
@@kevins.2217No. It's done and dusted. There is no money or audience in going back to it.
And you wanna know the funny thing? Jason the slasher ended up not even playing into the lawsuit. The IP rights to the original movie were rewarded to the writer, but Jason's mother was the villain of that one, Jason wasn't even present except as a corpse, so the slasher version of him stayed in the same copyright position as it was beforehand.
"Bubba will spawn in the basement with the survivors"
Wow just like in DBD 😂
Lol he is the camp 🏕️ God
I'm very pleasantly surprised by how much fun the game is for both sides. Killers feel powerful and survivor gameplay is engaging and intense. This is a MASSIVE step up from Friday the 13th. I didn't like F13 but very much enjoy this game.
My only complaint is that running around endlessly looking for a survivor is gonna get old really quick. There's no scratch marks and while at the beginning survivors makes a ton of noise as they get better they will be stealthier and stealthier
@@zaer-ezart Well yeah the lack of scratches is compensated by literally having 2 other family members helping you.
@@esceneknausicalci When there's one survivor left it doesn't do much. I watched a RUclipsr run around for almost 10 minutes looking for the survivor
@@zaer-ezart thats what grandpa is for.
Yeah from what I've watched of F13, when you were caught you were pretty much dead. You had to hide really well and somehow get away from him but he had auras and the invisibility thing.
I think it's great more people are trying Asymmetrical gameplay. It may not be competition to DBD , but at least it's something different. Got options
i would much rather play this. it seems like an actual horror game.
I just want some more variety. DBD gets boring after awhile having only one game mode and it's not scary or intense unless it's a killer with a jumpscare build. I'm just glad that there's gonna be another asymmetrical game that's fun to play.
Dbd is so god damn bland so bored of it.
for me it was because all the major developers and publishers for AAA games have been force feeding us garbage unfinished games.
I got hooked on DBD because of how polished (relatively) the multiplayer was and how different it was. Smaller developer (relatively) putting out a game i missed over the years somehow. will continue to try games in this genre.
@@thomasebert5289 Gun makes good games. they’ve only learned from their last games. This TCM game is going to prove so many people wrong.
Scott, I want to tell you that the devs have the right to make original content, Johnny and sissy are two original killers made with the original creator of the ip for the games release. They’ve spoken about how they already have content planned
This needs to be upvoted more so Scott can see it.
That's bodes really well, there's a lot of potential and I hope they go all out
I wasn't aware of this so this is good news so far, can't wait to see more
It's like the majority of games that come out, they dont aim to be a thing that lasts 10 years they serve to come out and just be fun and when you have your fill cool you can move on, maybe come back a while later with your friends to revisit it. It's not a bad thing, people just have frankly stupid expectations these days. It's perfectly okay for a game to do a thing and not intend to be a live service or be updated or try to be esports or something. A game can just be fun and that's it.
The problem is, that's not how you make money from your investment. Unless you rake money on launch, you're taking a loss with that kind of business model and no publisher will accept that
@@WutTheDeuceGaming maybe if you're a company spending 100 million dollars on a game and double that on marketing but this game is nowhere near a huge big budget AAA gaming experience and frankly it shouldn't be. This is solidly more indie or AA title. It's not shooting for the stars and it doesn't have the budget to do that either. I highly doubt this game would push past even 10 million dollars of budget and that's on the super high end I'd expect it to be much lower. Friday the 13th had probably 2 or 3 million total? This game would cost more and id imagine this is more towards 5-7 million. Which you don't need to sell a shit ton to make back. Sell half a million copies and you make a ton of money, sell half that to make a decent profit which isn't unrealistic.
dbd fans when they see a new asymmetrical game (it WILL kill dbd this time we swear)
@@WutTheDeuceGaminglmao what are you even talking about
This is an IP cookie cutter game, no sane publisher/investor would treat this as anything more than a self-funding advertisement
Dbd never intended to get as big as it has, sometimes great games start as a small project and they pick up steam, a lot of games are trying to do too much and they never see a fraction of the profit return dbd has
I agree with your point about the devs intentions not wanting to kill DBD.
I think they set out to create an authentic TCM experience which is fun for both sides. From early impressions they seem to have achieved this goal.
I would definitely play "Smash Mothers", that sounds like an awesome game.
I’m honestly curious how much the game will change when perks and skill trees will be a thing, also how Johnny and Sissy play?
We don’t have a clue yet as they’re not available to play on the play test :(
@@whymewm-identityv4584 yeah unfortunately, most likely we will know when it’s released but that’s exciting for everyone :)
@@JohnnyCageCat Johnny's ability is being able to track the victims footprints, I am not sure what sissy's is.
@@jackfinnian2064 Sissy has got some sort of poison (mists?)
@@jackfinnian2064 sissy has poison traps and she can surprise the victims by hiding in cabinets
Looks fun, hopefully it's services stay live longer the Friday the 13th did
Looks like they got the licenses to keep working on it, so it should do well enough
@@thezombiefan777 Friday the 13th lost all it's players in like 40 days though. It was dead before the lawsuit had a chance to affect the game
@@vegg6408 Not true at all. There are still players in ps4 lobbies and it takes less than 5 mins to get a game. Yes, there are a lot of trolls, but the game hasn't been updated in like 6 years
@@vegg6408 Very inaccurate actually lol, i play it daily still on the PS and i have 0 issues finding a game or players the most im waiting to get into a lobby is about 1 minute 10 seconds, and if it puts me in my own lobby it takes about 2 minutes max for it to fill with players, it's still doing well enough considering how much it has gone through and how long it has been since release....unlike Evil Dead which unfortunately i cannot for the life of me find any games.
I really hope Scott's next video is a deep dive on Smash Mothers.
I really hope IS a gameplay
Remember that in the full game theirs more maps, night and day versions of each map, skill trees to level up, more characters to choose from, the game as is, is very fun but not a lot of content so I can't wait to see the full release
They got my 70 bucks then😢
Good luck trying to play in slaughter house at night
@@ijoinedthedarkside333 maybe some things change at night we don’t know fr
Honestly the game feels enjoyable. People keep wanting a dbd killer but, why not just enjoy both?
This👌
Some cannot enjoy both. They have to belong to a group that hates the other group.
@@watertrooper which is stupid
People really want a competitor to DbD, as that will strongarm the game into improving in order to keep up. Unfortunately, that means new asymm games that come up get saddled with that responsibility first and foremost
I think many who hate DbD for some reason still play the game. At least that's how it seems. Some want a different game in the same niche, others want improvements and believe that competition is the key.
This game is a lot like F13 The Game that seems very different, unique, and fun. However, this game will never kill DBD. But at least something else is in its circle.
It doesn’t need to kill dbd, just be popular enough to compete and make the devs actually give a crap about their community
No game needs to be the Dbd killer at this rate it’ll probably commit suicide first lmao
Hope it kills Dead by Daylight
The other two killers not in the test, Sissy and Johnny, were made in collaboration with the writer of the original TCM, so im hopeful that they'll be able to release new characters consistently. Im also interested to see if they'll put in different iterations of Bubba to keep his role fresh too
Oooo a bubba from the new movies would be sick. Have a map In that town and have there be that bus so he can recreate that scene
With the leaks, we have 3 original characters now so that's pretty good not counting license characters
they probably won't because it seems like they're going for a pretty grounded tone with this game, but there is a lot of truly bizarre shit that happens in the texas chainsaw sequels that would be hilarious to see come to this game. in the very first sequel, Dennis Hopper plays a cowboy-hat-wearing sheriff who has a lightsaber-style chainsaw battle with leatherface in the family's home, which is now an abandoned carnival. he has 3 chainsaws and he has holsters for them.
I want this game to do well for our boi Bubba.
To be fair, I think the reason Friday the 13th was neglected is because of the license issues it had. The devs couldn't deliver enough content and updates because they weren't allowed to (at least that's what I heard). And I liked F13 a lot.
But apparently in this game the devs will have more freedom because Sissy and Johnny (2 upcoming killers) are actually not movie based characters, they're new. They're probably allowed to create new stuff to some extent. If TCSM gets more love and attention than F13 did, I could see this as a pretty solid asym horror game competitor. I'm so damn bored of DbD 😴
(Also, Evil Dead game was never fun to me. Sorry, not sorry.)
Demon on Evil Dead is incredibly boring and I honestly just don't see how people can play it.
Especially the early game where you're just floating around collecting energy and all the units you use get their asses kicked.
I also think that game has a horrible progression system, in that you both level up outside of and inside of matches, and sometimes the power level between a new player and a veteran player is so vast that it just doesn't feel very fun to play.
When I'm playing killer in DBD, I can make some satisfying plays, each hit feels like I did damage.
In Evil Dead, the combat feels clunky, and again the level differences and characters can actually make your incredibly powerful ancient undead demons feel like they have pool noodles for arms.
A couple of my friends really love Evil Dead, and one of them insists it's so much better than DBD, but personally I just think DBD has far better gameplay than Evil Dead.
@@brad1426 lol same situation here. I also have friends who love Evil Dead. Can't wrap my head around it, the gameplay is extremely boring and bland on both sides... Whatevs, let them enjoy it.
The devs are creating original killers for the license. They've already created two original killers Johnny and Sissy.
THANK YOU, it’s so stressful to see scott and the people in the comments have no clue what’s actually going on
People are definitely underestimating how much they can add to the game but i believe it will still be limited to a shorter lifespan than dbd and doubt its lasting some 5+ years. It could put up a decent run tho for sure and doubt it's just here for a few months.
I'm actually having a real good time. Super scary.
I have only one take, being last victim or two victims is easier to escape cause you can easily cause noise or use the fuse to open the basement gate and run for another exit to bait them and run away, the cook isn't always guaranteed to get an aura reading all the time.
I always wonder what Friday could have been
I think there won't ever be a true "dbd killer", dbd has too many years of content and too many licensed characters for any game to truly compete with it. I don't see dbd dying anytime soon unless BHVR majorly fucks up AND somehow loses all licensed characters, kind of reminds me of "old" netflix, where for a cheap price you could stream practically every movie/ tv series, until producers saw how much money netflix was making and decided to pull out and start their own stream services. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre seems fun, it will be good while it lasts, but a game lasting for years is the exception, not the norm
The only possible dbd killer would be a copy. The issue is that any game in this segment tries to be very distinct from dbd by adding and removing features and this results in unfun mechanics.
@@derunfassbarebielecki I would argue that even if someone made a "better dbd", not having Michael Myers, Freddy Krueger, Albert Wesker, etc, even if they had "equivalent" killers, would be enough for this new game to not be as prosperous as dbd is
The devs of this game have to right to make original content themed around TCM, The team has been working with Henkel (original writer) to make original characters like Johnny and sissy who will be in the game
It's insanely fun. I somehow got into the technical test via Steam lottery,, and I've had a blast playing it all day. Bubba is super fun, and if you use his chainsaw right u can kill victims in a single hit, so catching them in the open is a death sentence. Playing as Victim feels super tense but also rewarding, I love the stealthing you have to do, as well as the mini-games to interact with your environment. Overall, I'm very excited for its official release and I can't wait until we can access all of the customization and leveling options in the full release.
I don’t think there really is a one hit but it does like 70 damage from what I seen, I know in the trailer they said one hit kill but I am not sure 🤔
@@mrscaryfox3955 I think if you thrust the chainsaw through one of those gaps while a survivor is in it, it's an insta-kill. Could be wrong though
Hamburger moment
Asym-Slashers is a broad genre. The only game that competes with DBD is VHS - Last Year only competes with Evil Dead - Friday the 13th only competes with Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
There's not enough overlap. It's true some of the games may or may not be 3rd person or 1st person, and have players doing similar styled tasks - but gameplay and overall scope is different.
It's like you can compare Call of Duty to Battlefield, because they're very similar. But you can't compare Call of Duty to Counterstrike, because they're VERY different.
*The reality though* - The more asym-slashers we get, the more glaring DBD's problem will become. The introduction of more variety WON'T KILL DBD - but more people are going to begin to realize how flawed DBD is, and perhaps start turning their attention more towards games that fill the gaps that DBD can't.
DBD needs broadening out. *New modes-- New mechanics-- New service-- New trajectory--* Without those, the game *will die,* because who can honestly stay interested in a game when there's only one objective with one set of tasks you have to do in order to win? Even Among Us got a new mode.
There's no excuse why a game going into it's 8th year isn't even getting a *secondary* mode. It's times like this when you CAN compare this game to other asym-slashers. Because it's a basic requirement. Every multiplayer game should have it to some degree.
I cringe whenever I hear "DBD killer" phrase. As if this game aims to do that... It will have it's own dedicated fan base and the game with the help of progression systems, cosmetics and unlockables will thrive for a long time. "License is too limited to have that longevity". Hard disagree, you don't need a million of licenses to keep your game afloat like DBD does, all it takes is a creative game design and balancing to keep the game fresh no matter how many months have gone by.
Agreed. Whoever the team is for Bubbas game they can do so much more. As long as they are creative, listen to the community, add unique and fun modes, keeps things nice and balance unlike fucking Behavior where they can't do jack shit and have to please the survivor side more often. Dead by Daylight is just starting to get boring as hell, it's been the same shit for 6 years and will be.
I am just amazed DbD killer is an expression, the last well known one I heard was WoW killer.
Not every game needs to be a massive decade long live service product. A solid game with a good run of content for a year or 2 should be the expectation going forward for the health of the industry. I look forward to that experience with this game.
The game is great, really solid loop with its own identity, and it actually attempts to create an effective horror atmosphere, masterfully recreating the atmosphere and vibes of the original film. If you're a fan of classic horror like myself, and the original film especially, the game is a must play and you will be very pleased.
Sorry guys. I'm not sure I am in the right place. Is this the Smash Mothers waiting room?
If the game is successful enough, I could see a shift in the core gameplay where you choose a "family" first and that family could be from any horror franchise. Cenobites, Voorhees, Myers, Chucky Dolls; so many horror franchises have underutilized side casts that would fit this mold of chaser/brute/support. You could even do multiple iterations of Freddy from Real World/Dreamworld/Final Nightmare.
Slaughterhouse Seven, coming 2026.
Don't think so
Its a texas chainsaw massacre game, it is officially licensed from them. We dont know what their contract looks like, and adding other series into a game licensed off of one might not be possible. The entire point of the game is to be Bubba, not other killers. Dead by Daylight is Dead by Daylight, not Halloween. I could see maybe some collabs at best, but considering how Bubba is treated in DBD, I dont think the license holders are super willy nilly do whatever you want. Bubba has like 3 skins total and its been 5.5 years or something. Meanwhile CapCom doesnt really care about their resident evil characters as much. Id fully expect the TCM license holders to be very very stingy and makes getting licenses twice as hard in a game like this. They want this to be THEIR game
They’re making original characters themed around TCM
@@natehertel9612 They have the right to make original content, they already have with Johnny and sissy
My hot take is that F13th is the best type of this game ever made. Shame what happened, it was so fun.
If F13 was an original killer game it would be so popular. Just like DBD, they could get liscenses and add new killers, perks, maps, etc. The same formula but not from a liscensed franchise. I rarely got tilted playing that game, it was so good.
@@HigherDarkness agreed.
this game is reminding me: what ever happened to that Evil Dead game?
I still play it on PS4 with friends and I'm able to find games very quickly so I think it's still going strong.
Became an unbalanced mess imo requiring lots of playtime and prestiging characters for bonuses to their abilities. Other than that it’s fun but it faces same issue that this game will face. There’s only so much you can do with an evil dead liscence. Combat wise it’s superior to both but dbd has its longevity simply because of all its licenses. Until another game comes out that can acquire that many licenses like dbd then there’s just no competition.
I personally never liked that game. Doesn't have that survival horror oomph to it. It's all just action and it's very repetitive. My opinion tho.
@@mihalypetranyi4042 that’s true but the evil dead original movies were more action and just a funny slasher filled with Bruce cam bell one liners. That was what gave it charm. None of the games are scary but if your looking for survival horror asymmetrical isn’t the best place. Texas chainsaw massacre does it best of the three though. Also the new outlast trials.
@@keganroark1526 nope, I meant DbD-like atmosphere. This game is gonna be perfect for me to play, next to DbD.
Came here for Chainsaw Massacre, got Smash Mothers. Great video as always Scott keep it up ❤.
This looks like so much fun and i am looking forward to the full release
I'm honestly just happy someone flat out said its fine that this game doesn't have staying power. When a single player game comes out no one is screaming "Where's the staying power for years!?!" But when a multiplayer game comes out everyone loses their shit if its not something that will become the next Fortnite or Dead by Daylight. Stuff like Among Us & Fall Guys are a blast for me to play with friends on a random night once every few months and its perfectly fine that I'm not playing those daily. Even if this game doesn't have staying power it still looks to be something that I'd play non stop for a month or so at release with friends and then we might dust off the game during a lull in new games coming out.
Scott when are you going to play Smash-Mother???
where do I download this smash mothers game?
I knew the game would have a lot going on for it, considering that f13 was a lot of fun for both sides and set itself apart in a good way from dbd. I'm sure they can fix some of the bigger complaints too, considering that in f13 they changed rage from being an active skill to being a passive one and replaced it with stalk before the game came out, just based on beta feedback.
When the game releases, everyone will play johnny and sissy, losing the slowdown of cooks/hitchhikers powers but becoming way deadlier, both sides will speed up all kinds of actions through attributes and perks and the new survivor will have a sprint burst power. High level matches will end in about 2 minutes
I love how Scott becomes a Smiling Friends character to discuss the impact of TCM and if it could kill DBD
They aren’t restricted just to the tcm license. All victims in the play test were original (maybe Leland was at least inspired by Kirk in the first movie). The slaughterhouse map is original (the series does have slaughterhouses but the are similar in name only). And the two leaked killers Jonny and sissy are also original. The only real restriction the devs have is 70s’fying everything.
I think there is a way to make it last quite a bit longer, which is if they adapt the licenses for the sequels to add maps and characters, and then if they're really ambitious, to adapt the licenses for Rob Zombie's 'House of 1000 Corpses', 'Devil's Rejects', and '3 from Hell' for the same purpose. From there they could move through the more gore-hound-esque horror properties like Eli Roth's 'Green Inferno' and 'Haunt'. I definitely think there are ways to make this a serious competitor on the asymmetrical pvp market, now whether or not the devs WANT to do that, or they would rather move on to a new property is entirely up to them.
The license isnt as limited this time as friday was , they can introduce og characters
True. They can do so much more. Maybe add different fun and unique modes, add maps and skins to all characters and allow us to customize them or something. And I hope it does that. Dead by Daylight has been the same shit for 6 years and still will be.
They are allowed to make original characters and already have 2 original killers ready for release, Johnny and sissy. Both of which were made with the original writers help.
The characters don’t have to be licensed from the movies they made original family members like Johnny and sissy so they could probably have a pretty long lifespan but it’s not gonna kill DBD at all
Hope it does become dead by daylight community is the most pathetic community I've ever seen in all gaming history and the developers don't seem to give a shit about killers much.
Feels more like a smaller version of the SCP multiplayer games.
Bubba following the cook is a very lore friendly strategy
we need more games like this. it’s refreshing and exciting to try out new games in this category. i don’t get why many people are so mad and try to compare it to DBD. it‘s a nice alternative to play solo or with friends and we can‘t judge this quick because it‘s still in its development.
"i don’t get why many people are so mad and try to compare it to DBD."
*DBD players having stockholm syndrome* : >_>;
@@PatrickRatman this 💀💀
Keep in mind Most dbd players don’t realize their game is fundamentally unfun. ruclips.net/video/v0A0Xy7DExg/видео.html
they will recycle their own vomit that was served into their own personal dog plate by bhvr and say “yeah our game isn’t going to die anytime soon☝️🤓”
while also failing to realize that, a game like dbd is to be short lived and it can die anytime.
their devs haven’t made a change in 7 years into their cat and mouse gameplay. Let’s see if they can get it to 15 years.
Also kinda weird for a company to take in critics but never take account of their fundamentals.
The shady practices of acquiring licenses they do and buying back players with DLCs just tells me what I need to know.
Anyways, I partly blame consumers, they want something new but they shoot themselves in the foot 🤷♂️.
Cook also starts with 3 Padlocks and can close the vents.
yeah, more supporty, but people honestly dont understand him well.
Exactly. Cook is for support and people seem to forget that.
As someone that's not a horror fan, most of my introduction and awareness of DbD killers is from the game itself, so seeing Bubba in a different game feels like a cameo instead of him being in his source material haha
I think the cook is gonna be key for helping whichever other killer needs it at an infinite, then leading that killer to their next chase
I think people need to unlearn that games need to, quote on quote, "last long" or "bring down x game" because sometimes some devs just want to make a fun game and that game may have a year worth of content and then die off. Which is fine, nothing wrong with a game coming out, having it's time, and then fading off because that's how most games go and isn't a bad thing. I wish the best for this game and seriously hope it gets the money it deserves and does well, then go into the vault of "games that you can go back to with friends and enjoy"
It's definitely a good game to cooldown from DBD burnout. It's fun more engaging and there's many ways to play a match. In terms of DLC, my guess would be include different variations of Bubbas based on movies --currently is based on 1st one. I'm not sure if it could happen but if they are able to make other franchises crossovers i.e., Saw. That could definitely extend the game's life span. Also, the game is aiming for very deep builds and perks based on progression. While is good at the same time could make game balancing a nightmare. When you have a Victim like Connie that her base kit can cheese and almost ignore unlocking mechanics, just imagine with perks/skill trees. Ana has a base kit dead hard and she can tank TONS of damage, and so on...
Your assessment of duration of games is spot-on, and something I feel has been far too warped by a few live-service games for younger generations. I think back to the heyday of CoD and those games would have one year of being the newest title, and then a year or so after where people still played them, then they fell off in terms of players and no one threw a fit that the game wasn't designed to bleed them of their money forever through microtransactions. I think it is far better and more virtuous to get a game into a stable state and then let it remain there without trying to turn everything into a "death by one thousand cuts" type of microtransaction/battlepass hell that so many multiplayer games want to become. I miss the days of just releasing a complete game and letting it be, with DLCs as a nice addition but not an expected model to try to frankenstein a game into a state of painful undeath.
Even if the game does not last long its nice to have a different game in the rotation for when DBD feels stale. I think the game will do well since they have so many films to work with for maps/characters and the fact everybody keeps saying it feels like F13th is a big W in my book.
It'd be cool if they brought in the different variations of bubba from the other movies as well as different maps
Great knowing it does play like F13. I prefered it to DbD, both different games, but still always enjoyed F13 more due to being more than just sitting on gens, plus the lobby system was fun, chaotic, never being stuck to one role while playing with friends. I trusted the game would be good because it was Gun, but having not kept up with it, I had no idea how they could balance 4v3 when most are 4v1, or F13, 7v1. The dichotomy seems interesting and actually makes the 4v3 seem like it may be decently balanced.
Just waiting for the smash mothers release date.
This game is a stark contrast to F13, both are produced by Gun media. F13 never got rid of their bugs, they never really tried. I think this will do a lot better in the long run because I think Gun learned a lesson with the F13 game.
Friday 13th didn't die because of lack of ips it was because the lawsuit stopped the devs from adding new content and fixing the bugs
Friday the 13th was fire but that lawsuit made it go from a niche game to a dead game that used to be popular within a niche
When Scott started complaining about Cook, I knew he had to play with voice chat off. Really should have given voice chat a fair play. Other streamers played with voice chat and some did play office with voice chat
Yeah Friday would have died eventually but don't forget Scott it was still going pretty strong till it hit the wall with the Lawsuit... They literally were getting ready to release all sorts of content and were working on a new game mode... When all of the sudden bam they had to stop all of that and the only things they could do were minor minor game adjustments... They couldn't even really change barely anything they had already released...
Friday in my opinion gameplay-wise is simply the better game(Dbd obviously had the stronger market position...) The issue became that the Lawsuit over rights dragged on for so long that they had no way to do new things with the game because they weren't allowed to...
The funny part is that the lawsuit didn't even have anything to do with the game itself it was literally just a slap fight over who owned the rights to the first movie and who owned Jason and all that... I think Friday would still be alive today if it hadn't been for the Lawsuit... It probably wouldn't be as popular as it was but it wouldn't be undead like it is...
It's 7 am and you said "smash mothers" I lost my shit. lol
Based on the title I actually thought Scott was going to be doing impressions of the characters hahaha
I never wanted a DBD killer, I just want a multiplayer horror experience with gameplay I actually find fun, and this game looks like that.
I never much liked DBD's gameplay loop and grind but I don't want the game to die either. I hope this opens up the gate for more devs to be daring with the asym genre.
I think for the cook if he left out bowls of chili that would make survivors gag or puke if they get too close would be cool since he cooks and then you can have it be like an audio indicator
LET HIM COOK!
Idk, people in the 2nd movie seemed to really love his award-winning chili. Maybe if they were spoiled it could work like that
Sounds like bubba and cook are meant to stick together most of the time, while hitch is supposed to go hunting one person. Hitch can overwhelm people given enough time, and force them back into the house where there’s more places to lose the killer. Meanwhile, cook can lead bubba to someone, force them into a corner together because they can cut off loops and do bonus damage together. Plus, even with cook’s limited stamina and damage, he can track people even in the basement with his abilities. That leaves 2 people doing whatever, which hitch can interrupt relatively easily.
If they drop the pretty lady outfit when this game drops it’s an instant buy from me.
I'm sure they will.
Honestly people asking if this game is gonna kill DbD is so confusing. Yes, there could be a game to dethrone DbD, but it's gonna be this game lol. Having said that though, the original TCM has always been one of my favorite horror movies, so I was soooo happy when they made a game around the 70s Bubba and the family. Now if I can just get a Halloween game set in Haddonfield, I'll be set.
People should really stop looking to Gun Media (the devs) for a 'DBD killer'. Gun has come out and repeatedly said they just want to make games that make the franchises new and fun again, because they're fans of those franchises. I wouldn't be surprised if a Halloween game is next on the docket once TCM has run its course. They'll develop it for a few years, a lot of content creators will talk about how much fun it is, it'll be improved, new content will be added until they hit a wall with the IP, and then they'll move to the next thing.
'Games as a service' are precisely the OPPOSITE of what these guys want to do, and I applaud them for it. They've picked a lane, and they plan to stick to it. Big ups. I'm glad Scott sees that, too. It's something good and new and fun, and gets you away from the slog of other things so those other things become fresh again. And BHVR might look at this and take an idea or two for QoL things, like they did when VHS was popular, and when F13 was popular.
I'm not saying it'll always be good ideas (because this IS BHVR we're talking about), but when people excitedly run to other things, they tend to take the time to figure out what to do to keep DBD fresh. Honestly, we need a good asymm horror game every couple years to keep BHVR on their toes. Competition is good.
Voice chat requirement also basically kills it for streaming, so they really do need to do something about it. Overall the game was fun though, a lot more fun than I've had in DBD even with some of the more frustrating parts.
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It actually looks like a surprisingly good game. I don't see it overthrowing dbd, but it looks great and I can see it becoming popular.
Smash Mothers will be the DBD killer once it gets the Pixar licence.
I am pretty damn disappointed by the info you dropped about Cook... I watched Bahroo play for a bit yesterday, one of the games was cook. I'm pretty sure at that time everyone thought that Cook's spotting actually revealed survivors to your team, and he was kinda spam marking survivors to make sure people knew where they were. Hell a follow up game he was Leatherface and was saying that Cook must be AFK, at some point found him actually trying to mark people and said that he must just not be doing well.
It just makes no sense. To me Cook actually seemed the most fun, I like support playstyles and chases aside to me he seemed to have the most to do which I liked. But even having to use voice chat aside, nobody is going to know the map well enough yet to call spotted survivors?
I think a super easy way to make it work well would be for Cook's spotting to be shared based on Grandpa's level. Let's say Cook spots someone and they're revealed for 5 seconds, for each level Grandpa has up to 5, Cook's spotting is shared for 1 second. I do get why the info isn't just shared, which is I imagine it'd be OP especially in the early game to basically perma spot any survivors.
One last note on it all, I believe the game is supposed to have perks and such on release? If so I imagine that sharing the spotted survivors is going to be something Cook can unlock. Problem is that assuming you aren't forced to take that, it will 100% be meta I imagine, which imo is an issue on its own.
TCM needs crossplay on launch to last more than a few weeks. I feel like Evil Dead is all but forgotten. Honestly at this point only one thing can kill DBD: Behaviour.
Evil Dead just had waaay to much downtime for either side due to how massive the maps were and the time it took to get to the next area of interest. Spending 30 minutes a game is also not exactly appealing.
They're gonna need to add some contextual voiceline stuff for both family and victims for people who aren't on comms.
I truly hope this game makes competition for BHVR, so they might actually get their shit together
Evil dead really didn’t cut into dbd that much but I def see this being way more popular than evil dead. I don’t think it would kill it but I think it’s gonna not be the popular choice for a few months to a year
game seems fun looks better than evildead game excited
Now I need a PTB of “Smash Mother’s”! 🤣🤣🤣
I think these devs have done a great job creating slasher party games, I think if they wanted to add more longevity they could just keep adding IPs with their own modes, sort of like a horror Jackbox or Mario party. On it's own it's interesting and looks fun, but certainly seems like a flash in the pan
One for Michael Myers would be so sick. Having him just vanish out of thin air and jump scare people would be amazing
Easily the biggest problem is not being able to pick your killer, if this game lasts are we to expect future killers to be random chance whether or not you get them? It basically forces you to just no tplay who you want as is and it's longevity hurts as a result
That was only for the technical test. You can choose which killer and survivor you want in full release.
I don't think its just the license that'll make it not last too long, the gameplay loop relies heavily on the horror aspect of it from the gameplay I've seen, once everyone knows the optimal way to play everything, it feels like it'll lose that spark that's making it exciting to play now, whereas DBD, whilst not needing mechanical skill, has a lot of room to grow to get better at chases
ive seen this take everywhere but the game already has a better gameplay loop than dbd. this game AND f13 have multiple ways you can win which, from what ive seen and played over the years, is more than dbd's generators. plus f13 is still being played for those very reasons. theres more to do and you can escape in different ways every match. and the 3 killers makes this game MILES more intense than any dbd match ive played
Connie alone is reason enough to play this game
F13 had people playing it healthily up until they are about to lose the license. F13 made it 6 years and probably would have made it longer than that if it were not for the lawsuit/licensing issues that sprung up in the middle of its lifespan. F13 is also the most popular slasher franchise out there. Fans would have kept playing that game for a long time. I was and my favorite franchise is Halloween! Is it a DBD killer. There likely wont be, but like many people in the comments are saying lets just enjoy all asyms that are out right now. I enjoy variety! I have 2k hours in DBD and I am just not as enthralled with it as I was once. I enjoyed VHS before it announced its sunset, I like Last Year, I like predator hunting grounds, Ghostbusters Spirits Unleashed, Friday the 13th, TCM, Project Playtime, Depth, White Noise 2, Secret Neighbor, Vade Retro Exorcist, Hide or Die, Evil Dead. Plus we have Killer Klowns, Level Zero, and Carnival Hunt coming out. I enjoy each unique take on the genre as it makes it feel fresh and different. COME TOGETHER, NOT DIVIDE.
I've been describing this game to people as "the game dead by daylight thought it was seven years ago"
I just wanna add that if the TCM devs wanted to extend the game's lifespan, there's something they could do that DbDon't:
Adding new gamemodes.
i’m just hoping this game doesn’t completely die. yeah a lot of players left the f13 at some point before the lawsuit but it was still alive and had an ok amount of players but when that lawsuit hit it completely killed the game they couldn’t update it and the perks broke and stuff so it basically completely died because of that lawsuit. but with this game if theres no lawsuit i’m sure it’s going to stay as that little game that has a decent amount of players at all times until they decide to not update it anymore
This game runs surprisingly well too
It looks fun. I’ll play it. But I can’t see it lasting more than six months - even with perks etc coming in - because the gameplay is repetitive and certain tactics will be optimised and everyone will then tend to do the same thing to escape/kill. I don’t think they have the license for the sequel, is that true? So that cuts off a lot of skins and new characters, which even the Evil Dead game has done a decent job releasing more of because they can play with the whole franchise.
Review outlast trials next? Don't need to but would like some insight before playing the game myself. Feels like they are trying to do a bit more than this game as far as longevity and whatnot but idk. Would really love a review to get your perspective.
Oh friends... what are those? I remember having them once.
F13 never got to hit its peak because of the license bullshit. There were plenty more maps, characters, and killers (More Jason's, and even Pamela) that they could've done and probably would've. Most fun in a video game I've ever had. The only thing that was a stain when it was live was the damn hackers for me.
Don't like the animations from this game, but I do enjoy that it seems to have more dynamic gameplay. The stamina system sucks but I get why it's there.
Yeah, needing voice comms has never been a bad thing in these types of games lmao (looks at old object of obsession)
There's more than 4 blue doors in the basement. I believe there's 6
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Can't run over my own teammates in a car like Friday the 13th (yet).
One of the funniest things to do in F13 was to run over people during the cutscene where Tommy kills Jason. Never fails to make me laugh
I wish this game could stay longer than I think it will stay. Having more than one escape is so much more fun than Dbd, and being able to have teammates with discernible roles as killer is something I didn’t know I wanted.
typical DBD player analysis, teamwork = bad, killer had to do more than just hold w and left click = issue that needs to be reworked, left click being the main attack button = boring, not able for a single survivor to win against 3 killers = unfair unless they're the killer.