@@lemmyxpro The original song works in an RPG, but in a fighting game the use of multiple instruments can be distracting at times. So Sakurai wanted to simplify the song, so that the player can maintain focus when fighting.
Well teeeeeechnically the whole song is in F# minor. But I guess the reason this works so well is mostly due to how SpongeBob changes the key when the key of the song actually changes to G minor.
@@duskthegamer4129 as great as the main cast of 3 is, I'd prefer matthew. Hand to hand combat and BEAAAAAAANS! optionally A just to see what they have the announcer do for that one.
I'm really hoping they won't miss for the Moebius theme (and hopefully they'll use the version from the OST that mixes both the regular and the interlink versions)
Honestly i really like both of them but i feel like the reason people don't like the remix is because counterattack was so good in the original that people hsd high expectations for the smash remix but still good song
Problem was why remix it and not also put in the original song too. If Smash had both the original and the remix I don’t think people would be as mad. It’s not like they had to worry about IP ownership with Pyra and Mythra compared to the rest of the dlc
@@regulusking4299especially when songs that are actually a bit out of place in smash due to being a bit slow and somber, like lost in thoughts all alone, which got TWO remixes because of that, is STILL in the game (both in English and Japanese). I even like that song but no reason to keep a slow, unfitting original version in, and then not give us the orignal counterattack when it fits perfectly fine.
@@beastmodeslupdog1380 Except the thing is most of those remixes are actually substantial changes to the original that make it feel like a different version, rather than a similar but inferior version. Because most songs they remix could ACTUALLY use a remix because they are either old and a modern version would be fun (e.g. gangplank galleon) or are too slow for smash so a more upbeat remix is warranted (e.g. beneath the mask.) and those two factors give them something to change for the remix to make it justified (Gangplank galleon they added in many new parts and gave the instrumentation a modern sound, beneath the mask they made it in the style of upbeat persona songs like last surprise) but that isn’t the case with counterattack. It fits perfectly fine in smash, and the devs seemingly agreed at one point because engage the enemy (its XC1 equivalent) is in the game as its original. It’s an intense rock song, maybe a bit slower tempo but that doesn’t automatically discount it from a fighting game. Especially when we have stuff ranging from the roost to ring a ding in the game lmao (which I’m all for btw I love the variety.) a remix was not needed for counterattack, and by trying to do one at basically the same tempo and style of the original (which the original was basically already perfect at those metrics) there was nowhere to go but down. At the very least if they wanted to try to make a smash remix of it they could’ve done something similar to beneath the mask and made it reminiscent of the upbeat xenoblade battle themes instead of its slower more dramatic cutscene music, but they didn’t, they just made it sound like the cutscene music but bad… well not really bad, it still sounds alright, it’s still counterattack at the end of the day, just a version of counterattack that’s leagues worse than the original while adding nothing worthwhile if it’s own.
@@beastmodeslupdog1380idk if it’s just me but I find most of the time the smash remix just doesn’t add anything even in the context of a fighting game. Sometimes the original is even more hype and fits way more. Oh well
@@neo-didact9285 ??? Very unnecessary attack on music majors. (which I am not by the way. You don’t need to major in music to feel passionate about it.)
I love both the meme AND the actual scene from the episode. Funny as hell that SpongeBob knows more about music when Squidward dedicates more time to it than his painting😅
As someone who got into xenoblade thanks to smash, I fkin HATE the counterattack remix. I like the idea of making the guitar playing the main theme, but where did all the background go? In the original there are multiple violins, a piano, an electric guitar and many more, in the remix there's barely drums, it's so stupid honestly. But even then, it was partially thanks to that remix that I discovered my favourite series of all time so I can't really complain
Do you mean that the definitive edition version is worse than the original? Or are you saying the smash version is worse (the smash version is from the original on the Wii) I’m just confused
Tbh it’s honestly just all due to Kenji Hiramatsu’s and the sound team at monolith’s mastering techniques. They’re good at getting REALLY crisp and punchy sounds to come through the mix that add a lot of energy
In Ultimate, the violin is definitely an electric one while in XC2 it's a regular one. Ultimate sounds like the strings are getting scratched up, XC2 it sounds silky smooth.
I remember I was pleasantly surprised when I learned Counterattack was in the game. Didn‘t expect that since it‘s a cutscene exclusive song in the main game. Was a bit disappointed afterwards, because in my opinion, it doesn‘t sound as good as the original, which is one of my favorite tracks from XC2. But still happy Counterattack got in nonetheless.
yea all those ost where modifies in smash. all titles have note differences. valedictory elegy from baten kaitos and dragon quests themes have note differences from originals
@@redgerran The original song works in an RPG, but in a fighting game the use of multiple instruments can be distracting at times. So Sakurai wanted to simplify the song, so that the player can maintain focus when fighting.
For every Snake Man or Destroyed Skyworld, remixes arguably better than their original, we get Counterattack or Reshiram/Zekrom: remixes that are cool, but not quite as good as their original.
Yeah no, the smash is bad, and here is why: they restrainted the instrumental volume to reduce the contrast, meaning less highs and lows, and they removed the drums and guitars.
I noticed the difference right away when hearing the smash version and I strongly prefer the original and wish they put it in the game. The original has more orchestra. Like a symphony of rising to a climax. The smash version's electric guitar overshadows the strings in my opinion and turns it into a more generic rock song. It's fine, but the original just can't be beat.
I do prefer Xenoblade 2 but smash just made it simpler. This is not as big of a problem like 'You will know our names' or vs Zekrom/Reshiram is. Smash's 'You will know our names' hurt me mentally especially when smash claims that it is not a remix.
In the Smash Ultimate version, the guitar just copies the violin section, whereas in the original version, it provides a rhythmic chord progression. Not to mention in the original, the drums are much more apparent, the bass has more freedom, and the overall audio quality is more crisp and less compressed.
It's subtle. In the Smash version, the guitar just plays the same thing as the violin, whereas in the original, the guitar plays a rhythm, the bass has more freedom, and I believe the drums have more variety too.
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Any form of Counterattack is a good form of Counterattack, it’s just that the original is the best cause of how much more layered it is
I think it’s mostly the mix, the mix is well done in the original
Kinda, but MAN, did they flop with the Smash remix.
more layers is the perfect way to describe xenoblade music
@@lemmyxpro The original song works in an RPG, but in a fighting game the use of multiple instruments can be distracting at times.
So Sakurai wanted to simplify the song, so that the player can maintain focus when fighting.
More so balance. The original doesn't have one instrument play over the others while in ultimate its like the violin is the only thing you hear
Can not unhear the difference now
Did... Did you not hear the difference before it was pointed out? I thought it was fairly obvious
It’s really funny because I remember hearing that it’s already in the key of a minor
Well teeeeeechnically the whole song is in F# minor. But I guess the reason this works so well is mostly due to how SpongeBob changes the key when the key of the song actually changes to G minor.
@@sanders_billyF# minorrr
@@burntdraggeddragon yeaaaaah that's what I meant
The fact that I instantly got chills when the real counterattack started playing
Nintendo, don't miss for The Weight of Life in the next smash or else i will find your address
Facts! And if they even so much as touch anything from Keves Battle Theme, we riot!
I just hope we get either 2 characters or a pyra/mythra style ouroboros character
@@duskthegamer4129 My guess is we get Noah and Mio and you swap between them with Ouroboros, with the same animation from 3.
@@duskthegamer4129 as great as the main cast of 3 is, I'd prefer matthew. Hand to hand combat and BEAAAAAAANS!
optionally A just to see what they have the announcer do for that one.
I'm really hoping they won't miss for the Moebius theme (and hopefully they'll use the version from the OST that mixes both the regular and the interlink versions)
I heard the smash version, and thought "hey, that's pretty good!" Then I heard the original and thought "Woah!"
Edit: thanks for 100 likes!
Honestly i really like both of them but i feel like the reason people don't like the remix is because counterattack was so good in the original that people hsd high expectations for the smash remix but still good song
Problem was why remix it and not also put in the original song too. If Smash had both the original and the remix I don’t think people would be as mad. It’s not like they had to worry about IP ownership with Pyra and Mythra compared to the rest of the dlc
@@regulusking4299 They usually remix as much songs as they can, i don't know why.
@@regulusking4299especially when songs that are actually a bit out of place in smash due to being a bit slow and somber, like lost in thoughts all alone, which got TWO remixes because of that, is STILL in the game (both in English and Japanese). I even like that song but no reason to keep a slow, unfitting original version in, and then not give us the orignal counterattack when it fits perfectly fine.
@@kaz7886hmmm all this takes place in the mind of master hand 🤔 maybe this is how Master hand hears it…you get what I’m saying?
The entire reason i don't like the remix is because they didn't add the original
I literally couldn't hear a difference when playing smash, but hearing them side by side just makes me upset that they didnt just use the original 😢
Or just included it and had a remix taped to the side 😂 like with most Stuff
Ngl, counterattack is very nostalgic to me, reminds me when I got my switch back in 2017
God, that was 7 years ago
Underrated Music meme
Squidward’s seen some Sheet
I see what you did there
He seen an entire opera in one single little boy with just one little paper, who product a banger 😆👍
So true, they butchered Counterattack in Smash Bros.
They didn't butcher it. Just like with every other smash remix, they played it in a way that fit smash bros.
@@beastmodeslupdog1380 Except the thing is most of those remixes are actually substantial changes to the original that make it feel like a different version, rather than a similar but inferior version. Because most songs they remix could ACTUALLY use a remix because they are either old and a modern version would be fun (e.g. gangplank galleon) or are too slow for smash so a more upbeat remix is warranted (e.g. beneath the mask.) and those two factors give them something to change for the remix to make it justified (Gangplank galleon they added in many new parts and gave the instrumentation a modern sound, beneath the mask they made it in the style of upbeat persona songs like last surprise) but that isn’t the case with counterattack. It fits perfectly fine in smash, and the devs seemingly agreed at one point because engage the enemy (its XC1 equivalent) is in the game as its original. It’s an intense rock song, maybe a bit slower tempo but that doesn’t automatically discount it from a fighting game. Especially when we have stuff ranging from the roost to ring a ding in the game lmao (which I’m all for btw I love the variety.) a remix was not needed for counterattack, and by trying to do one at basically the same tempo and style of the original (which the original was basically already perfect at those metrics) there was nowhere to go but down. At the very least if they wanted to try to make a smash remix of it they could’ve done something similar to beneath the mask and made it reminiscent of the upbeat xenoblade battle themes instead of its slower more dramatic cutscene music, but they didn’t, they just made it sound like the cutscene music but bad… well not really bad, it still sounds alright, it’s still counterattack at the end of the day, just a version of counterattack that’s leagues worse than the original while adding nothing worthwhile if it’s own.
@@beastmodeslupdog1380idk if it’s just me but I find most of the time the smash remix just doesn’t add anything even in the context of a fighting game. Sometimes the original is even more hype and fits way more. Oh well
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi "Look at me, everyone! I majored in music in college and I'm trying to cope with the garbage degree I got and the debt I'm in!"
@@neo-didact9285 ??? Very unnecessary attack on music majors. (which I am not by the way. You don’t need to major in music to feel passionate about it.)
Altered or not, I never lose to this song
The power of Mitsuda
It's not Mitsuda tho...
The CC was funny as hell
I love both the meme AND the actual scene from the episode. Funny as hell that SpongeBob knows more about music when Squidward dedicates more time to it than his painting😅
SO THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT! I always felt something was off and thought it was just my dumb brain acting up again
The Captions though 💀💀💀
Never played Xeno 2, but I agree the Og Counterattack sounds way better than the Smash version. Feels like the theme doesn't hit as hard
you have to play Xenoblade, its so good
As someone who got into xenoblade thanks to smash, I fkin HATE the counterattack remix. I like the idea of making the guitar playing the main theme, but where did all the background go? In the original there are multiple violins, a piano, an electric guitar and many more, in the remix there's barely drums, it's so stupid honestly. But even then, it was partially thanks to that remix that I discovered my favourite series of all time so I can't really complain
They done a thing similar with wngage the enemy
Do you mean that the definitive edition version is worse than the original? Or are you saying the smash version is worse (the smash version is from the original on the Wii) I’m just confused
Spongebob dancing to it at the end is synced so well
Tbh it’s honestly just all due to Kenji Hiramatsu’s and the sound team at monolith’s mastering techniques. They’re good at getting REALLY crisp and punchy sounds to come through the mix that add a lot of energy
A MINNNNOOORR.
Drake is partial to that as well huh 🤣
I have no idea how they fumbled this hard on this remix lol
You just made me want to play this masterpiece again
I miss the days Spongebob was a savage
Of all the tracks that didn't need a Smash remix...
I’m sorry but counterattack just reminds me that every time that song plays pyra just ascends casually 🤣
Counterattack is my second favorite of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 first one being Roaming the wastes
Smash also messed with engage the enemy
Spongebob is a shonen protagonist
Come on they both sound awesome!
Smash is 1-2 on the monolith music remixes cuz let’s be honest valedictory elegy is top 50 songs in the game
the latter sponge version of it is the best version
LMAO, this is so perfect.
A classic case of the OG song just being too damn good for a remix to ever top it.
It is in key but missing the other instruments .. can't make a song with out a beat /tempo. Heck I'm not even a music major . It just feels different
The difference the rythm guitar makes is astounding
We all know that they will know our names is the best xenoblade song ever produced.
Weight of life, redeem the future and After Despair and Hope say hello
Captions go hard
bro I loved this shit as a hater of the ult counterattack remix
gold
Thank you for the accurate representation of my thought. :)
Literally the only part of xenoblade 2 I like
In Ultimate, the violin is definitely an electric one while in XC2 it's a regular one. Ultimate sounds like the strings are getting scratched up, XC2 it sounds silky smooth.
So i am not crazy thinking this the first time i heard the smash bros
I love this.
I noticed that smash seems to be missing a lot of depth and complexity from certain tracks weird huh?
They had to make it worse so people can focus on actually playing the game
The soundtrack is alright
A lot of Smash Bros remixes are either really good or worse than the original
If we want to talk about questionable songs in smash, Almalthus the acting God.
the music fits fine, but the title on the other hand...
You use the final part of the song to continue the joke, smart move
I remember I was pleasantly surprised when I learned Counterattack was in the game. Didn‘t expect that since it‘s a cutscene exclusive song in the main game.
Was a bit disappointed afterwards, because in my opinion, it doesn‘t sound as good as the original, which is one of my favorite tracks from XC2.
But still happy Counterattack got in nonetheless.
yea all those ost where modifies in smash. all titles have note differences. valedictory elegy from baten kaitos and dragon quests themes have note differences from originals
I love this so much😂😂😂
This is perfect
Yeah was so disappointed when the ssbu version came out as the original wasn't looped
😂😂😂 good stuff
Not the wrong notes just a guitar playing the same notes in a different octave
Exactly my thoughts idk why they remixed this but didn't keep the original 😢
Isn't it cool how you could splice this with Engage The Enemy?
smash ones are pretty good but the originals are unmatched
It wasn't even a wrong note, it is the remix sound that is different
What's the OST being used here?
Never realized how the smash version sounded lame compared to the original
I'm pretty sure spongebob went to g minor instead of a minor.
This is so true!!
What's the song again?
Whats the song name in 9:39
What is the songs name?
Song?
YESSS
Damn
He def need e miner, can also add some g and a
If only the musical alphabet expanded to "i" and "s" 😭
@@redgerran I don’t think we are on the same instrument…
@@redgerran because my teacher literally just teach me a song that uses Em, A, and G
@@redgerran The original song works in an RPG, but in a fighting game the use of multiple instruments can be distracting at times.
So Sakurai wanted to simplify the song, so that the player can maintain focus when fighting.
For every Snake Man or Destroyed Skyworld, remixes arguably better than their original, we get Counterattack or Reshiram/Zekrom: remixes that are cool, but not quite as good as their original.
Smash bros always makes remix tracks, why is this any different?
TRUE
I like the comments
it makes me sad hearing what smash fans almost had
Yeah no, the smash is bad, and here is why: they restrainted the instrumental volume to reduce the contrast, meaning less highs and lows, and they removed the drums and guitars.
As much as i love Smash remixes, this one specifically was a bit botched. Original is still absolute masterclass.
Lol it's true
I noticed the difference right away when hearing the smash version and I strongly prefer the original and wish they put it in the game.
The original has more orchestra. Like a symphony of rising to a climax. The smash version's electric guitar overshadows the strings in my opinion and turns it into a more generic rock song.
It's fine, but the original just can't be beat.
I do prefer Xenoblade 2 but smash just made it simpler. This is not as big of a problem like 'You will know our names' or vs Zekrom/Reshiram is. Smash's 'You will know our names' hurt me mentally especially when smash claims that it is not a remix.
turn on subtitles on the video, it is so funny
budget saved for Kazuya and Sora I guess
Wich song is it
Counterattack
The name pls
As A big xenoblade fan i was extremely Disgusted of how smash handled this remix
I need the name of this song.
Counterattack 👍
@@redgerran thanks
smash is more e guitar and xc2 more like string
Xenoblade 2 is more actionable and smash kinda actionable
It isssss to say the least not the as hardhitting as the ost
I dislike 2 but the music is great
T as des goûts de chiotte
I may be a xenoblade 2 hater, but i love the music
So it's louder and this makes it better?
In the Smash Ultimate version, the guitar just copies the violin section, whereas in the original version, it provides a rhythmic chord progression. Not to mention in the original, the drums are much more apparent, the bass has more freedom, and the overall audio quality is more crisp and less compressed.
@@redgerran ok
Ouch... I feel sorry for you bud.
@@LeoTheYuty imagine being this deaf 💀
@@TimothyGod Seconded this! Everyone who said its okay or prefer smash version definitely tone deaf, end discussion.
I hear no difference
It's subtle. In the Smash version, the guitar just plays the same thing as the violin, whereas in the original, the guitar plays a rhythm, the bass has more freedom, and I believe the drums have more variety too.
Isn't it just the same but just because of different instrument