Most high level Korean mishima players do no more than 2 wavedash when applying pressure. Practice controlled wavedash meaning being able to cancel into electric, ws moves and ff moves. Practicing wavedash into block, side step, sidewalk and backdash is also very important.
kccnfm100 yeah with mishimas you want to hang around range 2, about 2 back dashes and a half away. 2 wavedashes is more than enough to close the distance. Don't forget to feel out you're opponent with wavedash. Watch how they react to it. From range 2 one wavedash than a quick side step usually puts you prime range to whiff punish with an electric if they press any buttons too keep you out.
@Kurt Rustle Because it won't be an actual electric if you don't press 2 the exact frame you input df. It's gonna be a normal wind god fist, a punishable one at that.
"My Street Fighter friend saw it as "forward hadouken forward hadouken" ...' OMG THANKS. I went from being mediocre with Mashimas to perfect wavedash execution in literally minutes. It was 20+ years of Street Fighter muscle memory that was fucking me up by thinking dragon punch instead of forward-fireball >
What helped me when learning wavedash initially was breaking it down in a different way; a wavedash is a crouch dash canceled with a forward dash into a crouch dash... ad infinitum. Taking the f~qcf explanation in the video it can be divided as follows: f~qcf in isolated directions: f, n, d, d/f, f, n, f, n, d, d/f, f same input broken down as cd~dash: (f, n, d, d/f), [f, n, (f], n, d, d/f),[f...etc Where parentheses indicates the crouch dash and square brackets indicate the forward dash. Notice how later crouch dash and forward dash commands overlap. This is what brought about the common misconception that wavedashing is a crouch dash repeatedly cancelled into the next crouch dash. Hope this helped some folks!
I decided to get back into Tekken and I wanted to learn the mishima’s and Jin. You didn’t even have to say anything. When I saw the inputs I just said “ so wave dash is really just forward into hadou? Awesome” I’ve been playing SF for 25 years and that made wave dashing easier! Thank you!
Your example compairing it to a hadoken made it click in my brain and im a total casual, nailed it and can chain a few quick ones in only 5 minutes. Thanks.
FINALLY....a while rising move FROM a wave dash. I know this exist but I don't know how and was trying to discover it by myself. I thought I found it but yours was more precise. Thanks MainMan.
I had to pause the video and thank you for solving one of the biggest mistery for me I had with kazuya. The "random" sidesteps he does after wavedash. I double tapped forward very often, because I was used to crouch cancel with other characters to make some combos easier for me. Stopping that already made me so much more consitent.
it really is amazing how seeing someones hand movement really helps. I tried mimicking your hand posture as I used to play 2d fighters and Tekken with 2 of my fingers locked in between the fightsticks rod and your way made my wavedash significantly faster than my old way. it really kills my hand in comparison tho.
Wish i could watch such video tutorials back in the Tekken3 days. All we had back then in my little community was Catlord FAQs with movelist and some info from console magazine. We practiced A LOT and mostly get habits that made us loose every fight in the more modern era when everyone can find good strategy on Zaibatsu or RUclips :)
Nawaf I feel you, I'm a pad player too... I play Paul, so I'm trying to see it as a "forward" into "deathfist" without pressing 2, but it's still difficult to do consistently
Use buffering instead,keep pressing one of the two buttons and then press the other. It will register both,this is the way I do Devil Jin 2+4 for example(after landing CD+4)
If you can do a Shoryuken in SF, you can wave dash in T7 and that's how i understood it perfectly. only difference is the very slight delay after pushing forward for neutral but other than that, same motion
Thanks for this guide, I'm switching in the next few days from pad to stick and this will definately speed up the learning curve as a Mishima main. And the other stuff...well...oh, my, you Scandinavians are so bluntly slinky...wink wink nudge nudge...cheers!
My neighbors love me and my stick. It is extra super noisy haha. You motivated me to buy a stick. I could not even make 3 ewgf in a row. No i mcan do 5. But I still suck heh. Nice tutorial by the way. Ok gotta go do EWGF :)
Hello TMM,thanks for the tutorial,it helps a lot.I love Kazuya and your tutorials helped me so much.I just have one question, I wasn't able to find an answer anywhere:How do to instant Tombstone Crusher(while crouching d\f 3+4).Hope you see this and thanks in advance !Keep up the good work :D
Good tutorial, but I have a little question : Do you wavedash so many times in your opponent's face to confuse them when you're gonna do a move? Or do you do that so many times to make it easier for your self to press an attack button at the right moment while wavedashing?
Both of those reasons you mentioned and one more are applied to wavedashing. The last one is getting people to the wall. Because if you wavedash in their face like that, and you've pretty much mentally conditioned them not to retaliate after seeing a wavedash you can push them closer to the wall and apply pressure, where push back from moves like EWGF or EWHF doesn't mean anything, and you can take advantage of those precious + frames to beat them down at the wall.
I think it's important for Mishima players to remember to tackle each task slowly, my kazuya is much better than he was at first, I'm at grandmaster rank and im so close to fighter rank
much easier on stick. The thumb simply can't move as fast as the wrist. Newcomers, don't be discouraged if you're using pad and your wave dash is coming out just a tad faster than TMM's "learning to wave dash example" speed he showed here when he was first learning. Wave dashing on a pad is much harder than on a stick and it will come out slower due to biology, nothing more. If you're using a hit box, expect maybe 6-7 wave dashes per second. Using a stick, 4-5 per second. Using a pad, 3-4 per second. That's about the average speed you'll attain once you master the technique in accordance to your controller of choice.
Literally my entire life I could only EWGF from the left side. Now in Tekken 7 I feel it more natural on the right side. Unfortunately can't wave dash on either side
I may have bought a cross up but I'll still practice traditional method for one must not limit them self to the same techniques but to keep a open mind (also so people don't bitch about me not being able to do it traditional and that i dont have skill but that's just me looking in to the future)
LwNickV I can’t do it on stick but on pad I can do it almost flawlessly on both sides. (I’m moving from pad to stick and am struggling with crouch dashes)
I just bought a fightstick. whats the standard tekken way of setting up the buttons? is it LP RP LK RK and then leave the other 4 buttons to whatever I choose?
For the fucking lord, I cant land EWGF I mean I know how to do it but i cant see the oportunity to land it on a match, in 80% of my games with Kaz i dont use the EWGF for nothing any tip?
add f+4 into your poke game. it gives enough pushback on block where if they respond with a jab or a generic df+1 mid or ws4 out of habit or anything short ranged LET THEM EAT A EWGF. and if you can do a EWGF from a sidestep, then that makes you even more dangerous. Observe your opponent for a round - run up to him and d nothing to see if he's the df+1 on panic or a launcher on panic type of person. if he likes df+1s on panic, ssLeft and blind EWGF. if he blocks he gets pushed back. if he likes to hopkick or df+2, rush him up, ssRight and blind EWGF. Cheers
So it's just a reverse version of the janky kbd? I do the backwash cancel without the quarter circles so it's slightly harder for me to do the qcf f then it would be d, df then cancel that with a forward but I don't seem to be standing up fast unless I do the qcf
I am not an expert in wavedashing but I have no real problems in wavedashing from the right side to the left side with the stick... Since I can't use the thumb,, do you know how can I wavedash, even slightly slower, from the left side to the right one with the stick? I just cannot do it... Thanks
Thats why i dont play Mishima characters.. i have a fightstick but its so hard for me to move.. im much better with a controller.. its just a practice issue, right?
Patryk Wolniewicz i dont think theres anything that cant be learnt. If you practice the thing youre having trouble with for an hour a day for a week i guarntee you'll have it mastered consistently. ( If you still dont get after 7 hours of practice idk what to tell you man, just give up tekken)
“Forward Hadoken”
I guess I’m done here.
Same, that tells every thing I need to know 😂😂
He made it easier when he said "Foward into Hadoken" Thanks a bunch for that. Good things I play a LOT of Street Fighter
Noob
Both of you are disrespectful lmao
@@jebaite525 Both?
Nevermind, I'm guessing someone deleted their comment
Does this really work
@@jebaite525 how?
Most high level Korean mishima players do no more than 2 wavedash when applying pressure. Practice controlled wavedash meaning being able to cancel into electric, ws moves and ff moves. Practicing wavedash into block, side step, sidewalk and backdash is also very important.
this
kccnfm100 yeah with mishimas you want to hang around range 2, about 2 back dashes and a half away. 2 wavedashes is more than enough to close the distance. Don't forget to feel out you're opponent with wavedash. Watch how they react to it. From range 2 one wavedash than a quick side step usually puts you prime range to whiff punish with an electric if they press any buttons too keep you out.
I mean cbm and qudans and jdcr and knee do more then 2 wavedashes
@Kurt Rustle Because it won't be an actual electric if you don't press 2 the exact frame you input df. It's gonna be a normal wind god fist, a punishable one at that.
Melee Fox wants to know your location
i've just watched your old wavedash video last night then waked up in the morning and saw this one. God bless you.
i had the same thing
Thank you TMMSWE, we're gonna have a tournament in the office and as a weak Kazuya player this is very helpful for me. Wish me luck.
Arvin Lee just asking how did it go?
He died.
Kyzer 😂😭😂
@@kyzertv8443 He lost the tournament and got thrown into a volcano.
@@fafafagat A true Kazuya player
"He's been doing this since tekken 2,The naughty bastard"
No bro he not said that he said mist step is from tekken 2
The best guide there is. Thanks. I just started learning wave dash this August 7, 2018. What you say are all true, no easy way to the wave dash.
lehman maynite i started a week ago when my stick came in the mail. This is going to be a process but i can see much more improvement compared to pad.
"My Street Fighter friend saw it as "forward hadouken forward hadouken" ...'
OMG THANKS. I went from being mediocre with Mashimas to perfect wavedash execution in literally minutes. It was 20+ years of Street Fighter muscle memory that was fucking me up by thinking dragon punch instead of forward-fireball >
What helped me when learning wavedash initially was breaking it down in a different way; a wavedash is a crouch dash canceled with a forward dash into a crouch dash... ad infinitum. Taking the f~qcf explanation in the video it can be divided as follows:
f~qcf in isolated directions:
f, n, d, d/f, f, n, f, n, d, d/f, f
same input broken down as cd~dash:
(f, n, d, d/f), [f, n, (f], n, d, d/f),[f...etc
Where parentheses indicates the crouch dash and square brackets indicate the forward dash. Notice how later crouch dash and forward dash commands overlap. This is what brought about the common misconception that wavedashing is a crouch dash repeatedly cancelled into the next crouch dash.
Hope this helped some folks!
You are wrong. Its F N D DF F N > D DF repeat
Thank you so much TMM! I am able to do it more consistently now than I used to. I didn't even think about the Hadoken input from SF.
You're pretty good at this. You should play kazuya
Lol kazuya is his main hahaha
That's the joke. :)
@@dwaynematthewtrinidad4461 r/woosh
Kazuya is his main fool
@@AhsanWasim dumbass
watching this again after mastering the wavedash how time flew :'D
quality content from TMM
I decided to get back into Tekken and I wanted to learn the mishima’s and Jin. You didn’t even have to say anything. When I saw the inputs I just said “ so wave dash is really just forward into hadou? Awesome” I’ve been playing SF for 25 years and that made wave dashing easier! Thank you!
Your example compairing it to a hadoken made it click in my brain and im a total casual, nailed it and can chain a few quick ones in only 5 minutes. Thanks.
FINALLY....a while rising move FROM a wave dash. I know this exist but I don't know how and was trying to discover it by myself. I thought I found it but yours was more precise. Thanks MainMan.
Man, you have covered like almost all secrets of Mishimas....i just appreciate that video :)
As a SF player, you just made this make so much sense to me. Appreciate the tutorial!
I had to pause the video and thank you for solving one of the biggest mistery for me I had with kazuya.
The "random" sidesteps he does after wavedash. I double tapped forward very often, because I was used to crouch cancel with other characters to make some combos easier for me. Stopping that already made me so much more consitent.
1:24 seconds in and I already know how to wavedash. Thank you so much.
Nice to see the remakes of the tutorials since 7's come out. Keep it up :0
10:30
Leverless controllers:Shalom!
it really is amazing how seeing someones hand movement really helps. I tried mimicking your hand posture as I used to play 2d fighters and Tekken with 2 of my fingers locked in between the fightsticks rod and your way made my wavedash significantly faster than my old way. it really kills my hand in comparison tho.
Wish i could watch such video tutorials back in the Tekken3 days. All we had back then in my little community was Catlord FAQs with movelist and some info from console magazine. We practiced A LOT and mostly get habits that made us loose every fight in the more modern era when everyone can find good strategy on Zaibatsu or RUclips :)
The moment he said forward and haduken......I knew what to do thanks a lot you helped me
Its a nightmare for pad players like me....
Nawaf I can do it but not fast just good for a pad player.
Just work hard at it.KingJae does it just as good ass stick players, so anyone can do it if they put in the work.
Nawaf I feel you, I'm a pad player too... I play Paul, so I'm trying to see it as a "forward" into "deathfist" without pressing 2, but it's still difficult to do consistently
Nawaf
I can do it
don't move your finger much
but crouch dash cancel is so hard
I can do it easily but not as fast as main man
Who is leaving dislikes on such good content? Thats what i want to know
Laughing hard at the first minute😂😂😂 thx for the tutorial it's super useful
I like the way you talk and explain in this video, great content
oh my god Ty! I was having trouble learning this with my ball top but now this make sense! your the best kazuya ever no matter what u say lol
I can't even press 1+4 for certain rage arts feels like rocket science
yancy garcia just map 1+4 to l2, 2+3 to r2. Easy peasy.
Use buffering instead,keep pressing one of the two buttons and then press the other.
It will register both,this is the way I do Devil Jin 2+4 for example(after landing CD+4)
*This was me learning to wavedash*
Starts going the speed im trying to obtain
That's why I love TMM, good gameplay and all jokes for our 90's childhood
Finger texterity here? lul, I love the way you talk and the knowledge you provide! Thank you Mishima sensei!!
Pretty accurate. Years of Street Fighter makes wave dashing and PEWGF (thanks to charge characters) way easier.
Kazuya Exactly 100% I am a hardcore SF fan (before they messed it up) when i came to TTT2 i saw the wavedashing so easy
Dude, I love you for this video
Great tutorial as always TMM keep it up.
Thank you TMM learned alot from you :D
wish you the best 👍
Thank you for making this video. I'm a pad player and this helped me out.
ty, learned how to wavedash during this video; perfect explenation!
LMAO, after hundreds of wavedash tutorial videos and hours and hours of trying to figure out, "forward Hadouken" was all we need..
That Street Fighter Concept Made it so much Easier Best Guide I've Seen I Can Actually do it Now....although I Use the Analog and the Pad
Great video MM!!
love these tutorials keep it up
Tmms this is an awesome guide, excellent !!! Thank you
If you can do a Shoryuken in SF, you can wave dash in T7 and that's how i understood it perfectly. only difference is the very slight delay after pushing forward for neutral but other than that, same motion
Did it first try, have also been playing since tekken 2, background skills i guess, thanks for the help
Damn forward hadoken makes a heck of a lot more sense than I thought! Attempting this on a pad is god awful for someone who has always played SF
Mainman you on Tik Tok love your content btw has helped me out alot
Thanks for this guide, I'm switching in the next few days from pad to stick and this will definately speed up the learning curve as a Mishima main. And the other stuff...well...oh, my, you Scandinavians are so bluntly slinky...wink wink nudge nudge...cheers!
Really detailed... and after this im get on practice :)
Thanks for your guide its very helpful man
oh my god i got it just by hearing that "Forward, qcb, Forward" Thanks TMM !
but of course i havent mastered it but i kind of got it
Can you do a wave dash tutorial for Kuma?
BigManWithCa$h I've been looking for this tutorial forever,finally someone asked👀👌
I’m starting to get the hang of it in practice
Literally learned it in 5 minutes.... I was shocked. I’m on pad too.
Wave dash practice improved my electrics markedly.
daddy is always helpful
My neighbors love me and my stick. It is extra super noisy haha. You motivated me to buy a stick. I could not even make 3 ewgf in a row. No i mcan do 5. But I still suck heh. Nice tutorial by the way. Ok gotta go do EWGF :)
I'm actually better on player 1 side lol.
Jonnie Callan - GodFist Same.
yup same here
same
Are you all right handed?
Possessed Gaming I am.
this helped me so much
Hello TMM,thanks for the tutorial,it helps a lot.I love Kazuya and your tutorials helped me so much.I just have one question, I wasn't able to find an answer anywhere:How do to instant Tombstone Crusher(while crouching d\f 3+4).Hope you see this and thanks in advance !Keep up the good work :D
definitely just helped me wave dash. 👌👍
yo that shit was way easier than i thought it was gonna be thx
I finally got a good wavedash, next KBD
Good tutorial, but I have a little question : Do you wavedash so many times in your opponent's face to confuse them when you're gonna do a move? Or do you do that so many times to make it easier for your self to press an attack button at the right moment while wavedashing?
Both of those reasons you mentioned and one more are applied to wavedashing. The last one is getting people to the wall. Because if you wavedash in their face like that, and you've pretty much mentally conditioned them not to retaliate after seeing a wavedash you can push them closer to the wall and apply pressure, where push back from moves like EWGF or EWHF doesn't mean anything, and you can take advantage of those precious + frames to beat them down at the wall.
@@bigbaddymike3101 its re aligns you with the opponent also
Thanks for the dash into df1-4 I can combo off of ss3 now
I think it's important for Mishima players to remember to tackle each task slowly, my kazuya is much better than he was at first, I'm at grandmaster rank and im so close to fighter rank
I can't use an arcade stick to save my life. But I do appreciate this tutorial. I use the d-pad on ps controller. I can do it, but not at this speed.
Michael Henderson Practice makes perfect my friend 😊
So basically shoryuken input. Got it.
mainman,
my combo guide since tekken 5 👍
(Bryan and Lee user) 😀
Tiger when i was playing t5 My mains were bryan and lee
0:54 best guide
I learned the wavedash on pad coz i can't buy the arcade stick but this video helps me
thanks main man
thanks again man
much easier on stick. The thumb simply can't move as fast as the wrist. Newcomers, don't be discouraged if you're using pad and your wave dash is coming out just a tad faster than TMM's "learning to wave dash example" speed he showed here when he was first learning. Wave dashing on a pad is much harder than on a stick and it will come out slower due to biology, nothing more.
If you're using a hit box, expect maybe 6-7 wave dashes per second. Using a stick, 4-5 per second. Using a pad, 3-4 per second. That's about the average speed you'll attain once you master the technique in accordance to your controller of choice.
Games'n' Guitar I can wavedash hella fast on pad bro, but yes I understand what you mean. It all depends on how hard you practice
I doubt Weird can wavedash fast on pad. But whatever
So Ronery wanna play me?
Literally my entire life I could only EWGF from the left side. Now in Tekken 7 I feel it more natural on the right side. Unfortunately can't wave dash on either side
its very helpful for me i only can do wavedash in P2 but now it looks very easy to me on P1.... Thanks....
TheMainManSWE
Nice! I still need to prefect mine still.
I may have bought a cross up but I'll still practice traditional method for one must not limit them self to the same techniques but to keep a open mind (also so people don't bitch about me not being able to do it traditional and that i dont have skill but that's just me looking in to the future)
This is way harder on pad than stick. But still possible with nice practice... Doing it nonstop is almost impossible though, max 2-3 times for me.
LwNickV I can’t do it on stick but on pad I can do it almost flawlessly on both sides. (I’m moving from pad to stick and am struggling with crouch dashes)
I just bought a fightstick. whats the standard tekken way of setting up the buttons? is it
LP RP
LK RK and then leave the other 4 buttons to whatever I choose?
HUMANOID TYPHOON Yeah I just have Rage Art and Ki charge as I do my
Dual inputs manually
For the fucking lord, I cant land EWGF I mean I know how to do it but i cant see the oportunity to land it on a match, in 80% of my games with Kaz i dont use the EWGF for nothing any tip?
add f+4 into your poke game. it gives enough pushback on block where if they respond with a jab or a generic df+1 mid or ws4 out of habit or anything short ranged LET THEM EAT A EWGF.
and if you can do a EWGF from a sidestep, then that makes you even more dangerous. Observe your opponent for a round - run up to him and d nothing to see if he's the df+1 on panic or a launcher on panic type of person. if he likes df+1s on panic, ssLeft and blind EWGF. if he blocks he gets pushed back. if he likes to hopkick or df+2, rush him up, ssRight and blind EWGF.
Cheers
Jim Kennex Anque Thanks men i will try to use more F+4 and sidesteps.
could you please show the same but from p1 side?
That's really helpful, thank you!
Cool Tutorial TMM in the future can you make a Bryan Taunt dash tutorial on stick I do it on pad but I'm not that fast
Exactly what I was looking for thx my Jewish brother
well I wish you did this guide on 1 player side. pretty obvious is you can only do it well on right side
LOVE YOU
Thank you!!! I've been trying to get this movement down for some time now lol I'm a nuby ish
I back dash the same way, is that ok as long as I'm not playing back sway characters?
Jonnie Callan - GodFist yep
Jonnie Callan - GodFist Yeah, just make sure you hold back longer to make the backdash safe👌
Thinking of it as a forward hadouken helped me with thr execution idk why
Is it normal if your wrist hurts while practicing wavedash? I don't use the ball of my thumb and I'm using the D-pad
also TMM is your joystick a octagonal gate or square gate
i've never cringed this hard at the beg of a tutorial....but thank you very much for this guide :)
So it's just a reverse version of the janky kbd? I do the backwash cancel without the quarter circles so it's slightly harder for me to do the qcf f then it would be d, df then cancel that with a forward but I don't seem to be standing up fast unless I do the qcf
When I learned how to do wavedash on P1 then my wavedash on P2 has fucked up.
I am not an expert in wavedashing but I have no real problems in wavedashing from the right side to the left side with the stick... Since I can't use the thumb,, do you know how can I wavedash, even slightly slower, from the left side to the right one with the stick? I just cannot do it... Thanks
Thats why i dont play Mishima characters.. i have a fightstick but its so hard for me to move.. im much better with a controller.. its just a practice issue, right?
Patryk Wolniewicz yes
Why Hello There i have hori real arcade pro 4
Why Hello There Practice*
I do think movement on small d pads is easier but button inputs are just much harder on pad; it's all preference though
Patryk Wolniewicz i dont think theres anything that cant be learnt. If you practice the thing youre having trouble with for an hour a day for a week i guarntee you'll have it mastered consistently. ( If you still dont get after 7 hours of practice idk what to tell you man, just give up tekken)
>"it looks badass"
It looks like he's having a fucking seizure lmao
Next time you might want to move the webcam away from where the inputs start to display
Why does Kazuya have the misstep? Why didn’t they patch it out or was it intentional for him to have it?
Khalif Rouf it makes the PEWGF possible