@@Dontbestupidlittleboythe word gay did not exist so it was never stated it. states he loves Patroclus yes. They have a very deep romantic looking bond do you need two characters to say the exact words “we’re dating” to be a couple context clues the words are not stated but it’s very much implied and greeks had no issue with gays apollo has several male lovers and even zeus has a male lover.
@@nickkoss9384 ever read sappho? or considered the idea that gay = wrong only existed once christianity existed and that people before that werent so scared of things that werent in such strict rules? we know that the romans were maybe not as gay as the greeks but at the very least also bi (julius caesar was known to have male lovers, as were many other emperors). and since romans based a fuckload of their culture off the greeks it isnt a stretch to imagine that.
@@nickkoss9384ive read the illiad. In no historical book recounting achilles and patroclus does it flat out say they were gay because thats a matter of opinion and there isnt any solid proof. However, its kinda obvious in the illiad that achilles was gay.
I read ''Song of Achilles'' It's also just a novel so it's not historically accurate. But it fucking broke my heart, Never read it unless you want to cry for weeks
@@lalalalala7779 I've been reading through the Iliad and I'm on book 12. There is no mention of them being romantically involved in fact there is evidence of the opposite. Read book 1 before replying.
Y’all realize that Ancient Greece have a different way of looking at sexuality then us right? Like it was much closer to being pan or bi were as long as you had children they didn’t care who your actual relationship was with, so no he wasn’t “gay” in the way that we think of it but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have a romantic and/or sexual relationship with Patroclus
You do realize though that people who were attracted exclusively to one gender still existed right? Just because they didn't have a word for it nor did they think of sexuality that way doesn't mean it wasn't like that at all. Not everyone was actually bi, a lot of it was cultural/situational.
Not just ancient Greece but even in India before Britishers they had the same view . Because they weren't influenced by abrahmic religion before that . Egypt and China and even persia were same
@@Animalisticmonkeysame in norther europe and with in native american groups. The idea that atraction can only be between oposite sex is a pretty new one. Not as new as sex though. Thats even newer
@@nickkoss9384 the Iliad the original source other people have already explained every moment in that book that could suggest them being more than friends so if you care read their comments
By Zeus how is this still being debated, man was in love with patroculus, honestly we even got a part two with Alexander and Hephaistion, how are there still hold outs on this
His specific sexuality is of no real importance especially given the context that sexuality, especially male sexuality, was much more fluid in Ancient Greece. However, Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. Patroclus, who was in no way a warrior and really had no business following Achilles, followed him when he left for the Trojan War as they couldn’t bear behind parted. Patroclus had even put on Achilles’ armor and went into battle pretending to be him knowing he had no skills, just for Achilles. When Patroclus subsequently died, Achilles went into a blind rage intending for that battle to be his last because he couldn’t stand living without Patroclus but wanted to take out as many Trojans as he could first as some sort of revenge for Patroclus
@@Euro.Patriot after doing some research, I found out that Patroclus was in fact a warrior. However he wasn’t a skilled one and didn’t really have a passion for battle. But everything else is basically the truth tho
@@samcarmen Why do you think he came with Achilles? Are you forgetting at the time of his death the siege had been going on for a decade? He was there the entire time. Having a close friend of the same gender ≠ homo Achilles had two confirmed lovers and they were both women, the first gave him two sons and one of those fought in the siege after Achilles died. The second was the reason he stopped fighting. 😐
@@Euro.Patriot 1. Homosexuality/same sex relations were rampant in Ancient Greece 2. It’s a story, stop acting like it’s historical fact. There is no verifiable proof that Achilles was an actual warrior, jeez
He was at most bisexual. Because he has slept with women in the Iliad. In fact he was refused to participate in battle, because the king stole a young maiden, he won as a prize for his battles. so he was at most bisexual but he definitely wasn’t gay.
it is explained that when the maiden was stolen, achilles's honor was stolen as well cause she was his war trophy, a prize he won for being a great warrior. When they took her away, they belittled his achievements and his role in that war
I’m reading the Iliad (granted I’m only on book four but still) he never mentions how he loved or even liked her, he was mad because his HONOR was stolen. When she was taken they took his prize, and his pride. THAT’S what made him angry. Not the fact it was her lol
@@damnthisisalongname_4764One of Agamemnon's rewards to Achilles in order to get him back to battle was an oath saying that Agamemnon has never got to the couch of Bryseis as a man and woman would. Don't get me wrong,it is very much plausible that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers,but Achilles had multiple relationships with women,a son,and Bryseis even says that Patroclus had promised her to convince Achilles to marry Bryseis. So,Achilles was at best bi-sexual.
@@soumyadeepchatterjee1262 I've read papers on this lmao So Achilles didn’t care about Briseis because she cared for her; she cared for Briseis because it was a prize given to him by the army as an acknowledgement of his ability on the battlefield. Agamemnon stating that he didn't lay with Briseis would be the equivalent of saying "yes, I took your underwear, but I didn’t use it" You have to understand that for Achilles and Agamemnon women were nothing more than things to use. Achilles even says that he wishes that Briseis had died so nothing would’ve happened to Patroclus. Now, Patroclus promising Briseis to marry her to Achilles was a lie, because 1. Achilles, a prince, obviously wasn't going to marry a slave, and 2. Achilles wasn't going to return from the war anyway. And you have to remember that back then a woman couldn't live on their own, they needed to have support either from their family, or from their husband. So Patroclus telling to Briseis that she was going to marry Achilles, was basically him saying that she was going to get her freedom and her social status back. It wasn't because there existed any love between Briseis and Achilles. And you also have to remember that back then having a kid wasn't a matter of love, it was something that people HAD to do. So even if Achilles only liked men, he'd still had kids because it was expected of him.
Song Of Achilles was written in the 21st century, it's a gay fanfiction. Achilles had a son named Neoptolemus with a princess who Patroclus wanted named Deidamia and may have had a second named Oneiros. Achilles stopped fighting because his woman, Briseis was taken away. This is so well known it was even in the Troy movie. You'd know this if you actually read the sources instead of mindlessly portray everyone as the worst sexuality. Gay lovers be like yeah that guy known to be promiscuous with women and who has multiple children is super gay because he has a close relationship with a man, it's pathetic. Achilles wasn't gay or even close to it, the gayest thing he did was dress up like a woman so he wouldn't have to go to Troy and he got found out by Odysseus.
"Let them all perish, all the Trojans, and yes all the Achaens too, except we two." Yeah you're right, wearing a dress is gayer. The argument is that Alexander was gay for Patroclus not that he was gay I'm general, he was probably bi. Even Plato thought they were gay and he lived much closer to their time and shared the culture of the writers of the iliad. There's at the very least a very good argument to be made, it's certainly not something modern gay people just pulled out of nowhere.
@@Alexander-tu3iv Archaic and Ancient Greece are completely seperate. There was no Alexander in the Iliad. He was no bisexual, Achilles was straight. I literally finished book 21 today and so far haven't read anything about them being romantically involved at all.
The novel “Song of Achilles” is not a history book, nor was it written by a historian. It is a fiction fantasy gay novel written 10 years ago by an American fiction writer. In the text of actual illiad Achilles and Patroclus are described as having female partners and were presented as straight. Achilles was even described as having a son Neoptolemus by consort Deidamia.
This Is wild speculation at best lol all this because Plato read the illiad 300 years after it was written and thought "he cried at his friend's death, he must be gay". Completely ignoring that other Greek historians from that time like xenaphon disagreed with Plato on that take. Also a main reason why this is in collective thought to this day is because a lady wrote a book that had a gay storyline for Achilles because of what she read from Plato. The best answer is... we don't know, like at all.
Pretty sure he was bi, he showed interest in multiple woman and might’ve r*ped two. Deidamia is r*ped (in some versions) because “he couldn’t hold back his urges” bullshit. Also, in multiple versions he did get married with Deidamia but had to go to war. Depending on how you interpret his relationship with Briseis, that could be r*pe. I personally do not the r*pe versions, and his interest in women are still present. Like, do people forget bisexuals are a thing? It irks me as a bisexual. Achilles seems like he was bi in my opinion.
I believe it is Hermes (or Apollo) who comment that Achilles grief goes beyond that of a man who lost a father, brother or son. Patroclus is the closest person to Achilles, the one he loves the most, the only one whose death could literally make him stop wanting to live. He goes to his death, not for glory, but to avenge Patroclus, knowing that, if Hector falls, Achilles will soon follow. Did they have sex? Maybe, who cares. They loved each other, just about as much as two people can love each other.
Coping my other comment: Ah yes, Achilles liked Brises so much, he even said that he didn’t care if Agamemnon "laid with her" "All the other prizes of honor he gave the great men and the princes are held fast by them, but from me alone of all the Achaians he has taken and keeps the bride of my heart. Let him lie beside her and be happy." (Lattimore's translation of the Iliad) And he also said that he wished Briseis had died: "I wish Artemis had killed her beside the ships with an arrow on that day when I destroyed Lyrnessos and took her." In fact, Achilles liked her so much, and Patroclus and him were the straightest friends ever, that later Achilles can't sleep, thinking of Patroclus' "manhood": "only Achilleus wept still as he remembered his beloved companion, nor did sleep who subdues all come over him, but he tossed from one side to the other in longing for Patroklos, for his manhood and his great strength" And even Achilles' mom had to remind him that being with a woman is good actually: "My child, how long will you go on eating your heart out in sorrowand lamentation, and remember neither your food nor going to bed? It is a good thing even to lie with a woman in love." Very straight of him Source: the Iliad :p
bro patroclcus was his cousin/ best friend and did you forget bersies the trojan slave girl he fell in love with bro he is not gay and focusing on war doesnt mean you dont like women like what the heck
@@story.reborn that may be... there really is no evidence that he went for guys in a romantic manner. Maybe he was asexual, or only saw women as a distraction, or was so vain he saw no woman worthy of him.... I find it funny that if a guy goes for women, he is automatically a grape-ist... but if he just has no interest because he chooses to focus his energy on personal pursuits he is automatically gay... what does it really matter what flavor his palette sought? That has to be the least interesting thing about any person in this world.
@@Triksterpuckavalon Achilles had 2 sons and 3 women known to be his consorts. Having a close male friend doesn't change your sexuality. You'd know this if you were smart like me and actually read the source material.
@@Euro.Patriotpeople are bi, in fact most queer people are bi. Even in classical greece Achilles and Patroclus being lovers wasn't an uncommon opinion.
@@Alexander-tu3iv It was a wrong opinion. Achilles had 3 known lovers all of which were female and 2 sons. He stopped fighting because he lost the 3rd. He is not into men, having a close relationship with one male doesn't prove anything.
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Achilles: I want my ashes mixed with Patroclus’s
*Yup, straight as a line*
😂hh , can't complain 😂😂
How is that gay
I love the fact that scholars and historians have been wondering for centuries if Achilles wanted the D or not.
Where does it say achilles is gay in the Iliad?
@@Dontbestupidlittleboythe word gay did not exist so it was never stated it. states he loves Patroclus yes. They have a very deep romantic looking bond do you need two characters to say the exact words “we’re dating” to be a couple context clues the words are not stated but it’s very much implied and greeks had no issue with gays apollo has several male lovers and even zeus has a male lover.
“Might be gay” honey, every man in ancient Greece was at the very least bi.
Every man in the real world is bi to some extent, being completely straight is biologically impossible.
And how do you know honey? You didn't exist back then. Or maybe you read Homer's Illiad, oh wait, does not include any "Achilles was gay" part.
@@nickkoss9384 ever read sappho? or considered the idea that gay = wrong only existed once christianity existed and that people before that werent so scared of things that werent in such strict rules? we know that the romans were maybe not as gay as the greeks but at the very least also bi (julius caesar was known to have male lovers, as were many other emperors). and since romans based a fuckload of their culture off the greeks it isnt a stretch to imagine that.
@@nickkoss9384ive read the illiad. In no historical book recounting achilles and patroclus does it flat out say they were gay because thats a matter of opinion and there isnt any solid proof. However, its kinda obvious in the illiad that achilles was gay.
@@Serpahix enlighten me, because Im able to read Homer's Illiad in ancient Greek, I'm Greek. Where does it point out the gayness of a Achilles?
"And they were roomates"
“Oh my god they were roommates”
I read ''Song of Achilles'' It's also just a novel so it's not historically accurate. But it fucking broke my heart, Never read it unless you want to cry for weeks
Where can I read it ?????
Tell me????
@@gojo-sv8fu Buy it online or in a book store, if u cant find a physical copy just search for it online. Internet pretty much has everything afterall.
I read it in google once
I think you can do it too@@gojo-sv8fu
@@gojo-sv8fuI read like half of it, boring as hell. Fell asleep multiple times trying to finish a single chapter.
He literally called Patroclus “most beloved” (can’t remember the Greek word lol)
Philtatos ❤
Philatos, I think?
So?
@@Euro.Patriot the word has a very heavy romantic essence
@@lalalalala7779 I've been reading through the Iliad and I'm on book 12. There is no mention of them being romantically involved in fact there is evidence of the opposite. Read book 1 before replying.
Y’all realize that Ancient Greece have a different way of looking at sexuality then us right? Like it was much closer to being pan or bi were as long as you had children they didn’t care who your actual relationship was with, so no he wasn’t “gay” in the way that we think of it but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have a romantic and/or sexual relationship with Patroclus
You do realize though that people who were attracted exclusively to one gender still existed right? Just because they didn't have a word for it nor did they think of sexuality that way doesn't mean it wasn't like that at all.
Not everyone was actually bi, a lot of it was cultural/situational.
Not just ancient Greece but even in India before Britishers they had the same view . Because they weren't influenced by abrahmic religion before that . Egypt and China and even persia were same
@@Animalisticmonkey basically everything was free to love someone unless the abrahamic cult attacked
@@Animalisticmonkeysame in norther europe and with in native american groups.
The idea that atraction can only be between oposite sex is a pretty new one. Not as new as sex though. Thats even newer
Kinda?.... KINDA?
*inner song of Achilles fan and historian side screaming*
Same 😭
Same 😭😭😭😭
Oh honey, they WERE lovers. Absolutely. No one can convince me otherwise.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 no they weren't and nobody can convince me otherwise.
@@nickkoss9384read the book they say they love eachother. Also people can believe what they want about the fictional characters
@@doodledudes3171 which book?
@@nickkoss9384 the Iliad the original source other people have already explained every moment in that book that could suggest them being more than friends so if you care read their comments
@@nickkoss9384the statue of them 🧍♀️
By Zeus how is this still being debated, man was in love with patroculus, honestly we even got a part two with Alexander and Hephaistion, how are there still hold outs on this
Wtf are you talking about? Achilles had 2 sons and 2 consorts both of which were female. Have you even read just the Iliad?
@@Euro.Patriot son of a king, ever heard of a precautionary heir
@@Triksterpuckavalon Your point?
His specific sexuality is of no real importance especially given the context that sexuality, especially male sexuality, was much more fluid in Ancient Greece. However, Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. Patroclus, who was in no way a warrior and really had no business following Achilles, followed him when he left for the Trojan War as they couldn’t bear behind parted. Patroclus had even put on Achilles’ armor and went into battle pretending to be him knowing he had no skills, just for Achilles. When Patroclus subsequently died, Achilles went into a blind rage intending for that battle to be his last because he couldn’t stand living without Patroclus but wanted to take out as many Trojans as he could first as some sort of revenge for Patroclus
You are incorrect.
@@Euro.Patriot after doing some research, I found out that Patroclus was in fact a warrior. However he wasn’t a skilled one and didn’t really have a passion for battle. But everything else is basically the truth tho
@@samcarmen Why do you think he came with Achilles? Are you forgetting at the time of his death the siege had been going on for a decade? He was there the entire time.
Having a close friend of the same gender ≠ homo
Achilles had two confirmed lovers and they were both women, the first gave him two sons and one of those fought in the siege after Achilles died. The second was the reason he stopped fighting. 😐
@@Euro.Patriot 1. Homosexuality/same sex relations were rampant in Ancient Greece 2. It’s a story, stop acting like it’s historical fact. There is no verifiable proof that Achilles was an actual warrior, jeez
@@Euro.Patriot so who’s to say? Maybe you’re right, maybe I’m right. Doesn’t matter, it’s a myth
I heard the 300 Spartans were gay as well. You would fight harder for your lover than a brother in arms
Not mentioned in ancient sources, so it’s more of an internet conspiracy theory.
Nah but they were defeated by a bunch of gay warriors
Not true. Gay sex is okay to them but they still had wives
@meatpilot5077 also it's usually depicted as a mature guy with a young man without beard. It sound more like pedophilia to me
@meatpilot5077 what sources even mention the first 2 sentences?🤣🤣 and the sacred band of lovers wasn’t Spartan but I believe belonged to Thebes
He was at most bisexual. Because he has slept with women in the Iliad. In fact he was refused to participate in battle, because the king stole a young maiden, he won as a prize for his battles. so he was at most bisexual but he definitely wasn’t gay.
it is explained that when the maiden was stolen, achilles's honor was stolen as well cause she was his war trophy, a prize he won for being a great warrior. When they took her away, they belittled his achievements and his role in that war
I’m reading the Iliad (granted I’m only on book four but still) he never mentions how he loved or even liked her, he was mad because his HONOR was stolen. When she was taken they took his prize, and his pride. THAT’S what made him angry. Not the fact it was her lol
@@damnthisisalongname_4764One of Agamemnon's rewards to Achilles in order to get him back to battle was an oath saying that Agamemnon has never got to the couch of Bryseis as a man and woman would. Don't get me wrong,it is very much plausible that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers,but Achilles had multiple relationships with women,a son,and Bryseis even says that Patroclus had promised her to convince Achilles to marry Bryseis. So,Achilles was at best bi-sexual.
@@soumyadeepchatterjee1262
I've read papers on this lmao
So Achilles didn’t care about Briseis because she cared for her; she cared for Briseis because it was a prize given to him by the army as an acknowledgement of his ability on the battlefield.
Agamemnon stating that he didn't lay with Briseis would be the equivalent of saying "yes, I took your underwear, but I didn’t use it"
You have to understand that for Achilles and Agamemnon women were nothing more than things to use. Achilles even says that he wishes that Briseis had died so nothing would’ve happened to Patroclus.
Now, Patroclus promising Briseis to marry her to Achilles was a lie, because 1. Achilles, a prince, obviously wasn't going to marry a slave, and 2. Achilles wasn't going to return from the war anyway.
And you have to remember that back then a woman couldn't live on their own, they needed to have support either from their family, or from their husband. So Patroclus telling to Briseis that she was going to marry Achilles, was basically him saying that she was going to get her freedom and her social status back. It wasn't because there existed any love between Briseis and Achilles.
And you also have to remember that back then having a kid wasn't a matter of love, it was something that people HAD to do. So even if Achilles only liked men, he'd still had kids because it was expected of him.
Males are very territorial, she was a slave to him .
Like almost every Greek was bi guys!! They did not have words like gay or bl it was so common!! Like they were actually encouraged to be gay>>
so homosexuality is a choose then
so homosexuality was a choice then
And what evidence do you have for this horrendous proclaim?
I read ''Song of Achilles'' It's just a novel. Also it broke my heart, I'm still broken. Never read it please
Song Of Achilles was written in the 21st century, it's a gay fanfiction. Achilles had a son named Neoptolemus with a princess who Patroclus wanted named Deidamia and may have had a second named Oneiros. Achilles stopped fighting because his woman, Briseis was taken away. This is so well known it was even in the Troy movie. You'd know this if you actually read the sources instead of mindlessly portray everyone as the worst sexuality.
Gay lovers be like yeah that guy known to be promiscuous with women and who has multiple children is super gay because he has a close relationship with a man, it's pathetic. Achilles wasn't gay or even close to it, the gayest thing he did was dress up like a woman so he wouldn't have to go to Troy and he got found out by Odysseus.
"Let them all perish, all the Trojans, and yes all the Achaens too, except we two."
Yeah you're right, wearing a dress is gayer.
The argument is that Alexander was gay for Patroclus not that he was gay I'm general, he was probably bi.
Even Plato thought they were gay and he lived much closer to their time and shared the culture of the writers of the iliad. There's at the very least a very good argument to be made, it's certainly not something modern gay people just pulled out of nowhere.
@@Alexander-tu3iv Archaic and Ancient Greece are completely seperate. There was no Alexander in the Iliad. He was no bisexual, Achilles was straight. I literally finished book 21 today and so far haven't read anything about them being romantically involved at all.
@Euro.Patriot there's zero mention of it in the text. This is a case of modern people projecting their own morals onto history.
yeaahh them gays can fight boy
People now: achilles was totaly gay. How do i know that? He was sad when his best freind died.
Who said they were best friends?
@@anantrawat2311 the original text
Achilles literally worshipped Patroclus's thighs
@@ClairDeLume as one should...
@@ClairDeLume source?
nah he just shared a bed with patroclus’ corpse cause they were the best platonic bros
Search up prochillies and Solangelo and look at the similarities
The novel “Song of Achilles” is not a history book, nor was it written by a historian. It is a fiction fantasy gay novel written 10 years ago by an American fiction writer.
In the text of actual illiad Achilles and Patroclus are described as having female partners and were presented as straight. Achilles was even described as having a son Neoptolemus by consort Deidamia.
Also why do use anime-style androgynous images to portray masculine warriors?
You don't know what anime is do you...and "trans-like"?....yikess
@@mecruz have you ever seen Greek art?
Just accept that ancient greek r gay
@@takitako679 ask your grandma, she knows.
This Is wild speculation at best lol all this because Plato read the illiad 300 years after it was written and thought "he cried at his friend's death, he must be gay". Completely ignoring that other Greek historians from that time like xenaphon disagreed with Plato on that take. Also a main reason why this is in collective thought to this day is because a lady wrote a book that had a gay storyline for Achilles because of what she read from Plato. The best answer is... we don't know, like at all.
Some of you have never had close friends or self control and it shows
Pretty sure he was bi, he showed interest in multiple woman and might’ve r*ped two. Deidamia is r*ped (in some versions) because “he couldn’t hold back his urges” bullshit. Also, in multiple versions he did get married with Deidamia but had to go to war. Depending on how you interpret his relationship with Briseis, that could be r*pe. I personally do not the r*pe versions, and his interest in women are still present. Like, do people forget bisexuals are a thing? It irks me as a bisexual. Achilles seems like he was bi in my opinion.
He doesn't seem bisexual if he showed sexual intentions for only women.
At this point I headcannon the relationship as gay. Idc about the Iliad I’m headcanoning them as gay
I believe it is Hermes (or Apollo) who comment that Achilles grief goes beyond that of a man who lost a father, brother or son. Patroclus is the closest person to Achilles, the one he loves the most, the only one whose death could literally make him stop wanting to live.
He goes to his death, not for glory, but to avenge Patroclus, knowing that, if Hector falls, Achilles will soon follow.
Did they have sex? Maybe, who cares. They loved each other, just about as much as two people can love each other.
I assume you've read TSOA?
I FINISHED TSOA TODAY CANT STOP CRYING
I just finished it too…. Great book but depressing ending 😭
It's a great book! Thats what inspired this video actually
sure he was DEFINITELY gay. Patroclus and Achilles were LOVERSSSS
"friends"
Sad times when a man can't even put his purpose and hold women to a higher standard for his time or love his best friend without being called gay smh
Coping my other comment:
Ah yes, Achilles liked Brises so much, he even said that he didn’t care if Agamemnon "laid with her"
"All the other prizes of honor he gave the great men and the princes are held fast by them, but from me alone of all the Achaians he has taken and keeps the bride of my heart. Let him lie beside her
and be happy." (Lattimore's translation of the Iliad)
And he also said that he wished Briseis had died:
"I wish Artemis had killed her beside the ships with an arrow on that day when I destroyed Lyrnessos and took her."
In fact, Achilles liked her so much, and Patroclus and him were the straightest friends ever, that later Achilles can't sleep, thinking of Patroclus' "manhood":
"only Achilleus wept still as he remembered his beloved companion, nor did sleep who subdues all come over him, but he tossed from one side to the other in longing for Patroklos, for his manhood and his great strength"
And even Achilles' mom had to remind him that being with a woman is good actually:
"My child, how long will you go on eating your heart out in sorrowand lamentation, and remember neither your food nor going to bed? It is a good thing even to lie with a woman in love."
Very straight of him
Source: the Iliad :p
That one statue of them🧍♀️
Achilles: some boy does not determine my sexuality!
Patroclus: hey Achilles-
Achilles(thoughts): gaygaygaygaygaygay
“Might be gay” have u ever even heard of the song of Achilles
I have read it end to end. But it's fiction so we really dont know haha
Deidamia and Briseis.
He kinda had to...
@@dontmindme55What?
Achilles had a whole son out here lol
Queer people through history were more or less forced into straight relationships. And he was a prince, an heir was needed
@@arandomlanguagenerd1869he was not forced to be straight. Rather he was forced to pretend to be a woman
@@isaklal518 he was also forced to have sex with a woman though? How do you think be got the son lol
@@arandomlanguagenerd1869 he wasn't gay or abcdefg+, he was normal, straight man and had a lot of female partners, according to Homer's Illiad.
@@arandomlanguagenerd1869 he wasn't gay or abcdefg+, he was normal, straight man and had a lot of female partners, according to Homer's Illiad.
Yes
Literally the gayest man ever
Historians: it is possible they were gay but iddkkkkk probably not they were probably just besties
Not Gay but Bisexual.
I think bi. (Like everyone is ancient Greece)
bro patroclcus was his cousin/ best friend and did you forget bersies the trojan slave girl he fell in love with bro he is not gay and focusing on war doesnt mean you dont like women like what the heck
They can't even read.
WHO ARE THE ARTISTS
history hates lovers
Might?!
😅
HE WAS GAY
Absolutely not. No such evidence whatsoever!! Read your sources well!
No evidence also as well that he isnt
@@story.reborn Come on !
Might have been? 😂😅
Love of brothers
that's some "improvise adapt overcome" maybe, because, war and stuff
He had access to women though, especially those that widowed war wives. Maybe not just really his cup of tea 😅
@@story.reborn ah right
@@story.reborn according to Homer's Illiad he wasn't gay neither was bi or abcdefg+ .
What if he was the first recorded mg+0w?
So his own way was pursuing men insetad? haha
@@story.reborn that may be... there really is no evidence that he went for guys in a romantic manner. Maybe he was asexual, or only saw women as a distraction, or was so vain he saw no woman worthy of him.... I find it funny that if a guy goes for women, he is automatically a grape-ist... but if he just has no interest because he chooses to focus his energy on personal pursuits he is automatically gay... what does it really matter what flavor his palette sought? That has to be the least interesting thing about any person in this world.
@@story.reborn you're wrong, totally.
What is this push for everything to be gay nowadays
It was gay when homer wrote it you fool, this is simply a return to the original
Becuase history hates lovers
@@Triksterpuckavalon Achilles had 2 sons and 3 women known to be his consorts. Having a close male friend doesn't change your sexuality. You'd know this if you were smart like me and actually read the source material.
@@Euro.Patriotpeople are bi, in fact most queer people are bi.
Even in classical greece Achilles and Patroclus being lovers wasn't an uncommon opinion.
@@Alexander-tu3iv It was a wrong opinion. Achilles had 3 known lovers all of which were female and 2 sons. He stopped fighting because he lost the 3rd. He is not into men, having a close relationship with one male doesn't prove anything.
Sources? Gay professors trying to make everything look gay.
Bruh
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