Thanks for the shout-out! The Compact 2 is actually from 1987 and it was the first computer used in the Netherlands with tax rebate. People could 'buy' them with discount using their vacation days. Tens of thousands of computers were ordered and were picked up by people on 2 different locations in one weekend. Tulip was already ahead in many ways, but this defined the success and they became 4th biggest manufacturer of IBM PC-clones in Europe and second (and briefly first) in the Netherlands. There were more versions of the Compact II. There was a more expensive Compact 2 AT (with 80286 CPU) and even a very expensive Compact 2 SX (with 80386 CPU). Later versions didn't have the black fronts anymore, but were all white. And yes, a Compact 3 also exists. Also, that huge sticker on the side isn't by default on the machine. The previous owner put it there, we have boxed ones in the museum and they really don't have a sticker on the side. Only mentioning Tulip on front and back (and monitor, keyboard and mouse as well, but all manufacturers did that).
Based on the fact that the drive suddenly works when you hit it with a screwdriver it sounds like the head assembly is is getting gummed up, maybe on old dried up lubricant in the bearings. "Adrian's Digital Basement" has a video on fixing this issue if you're interested. You might be able to re-lubricate the head assembly bearings. You might have to open the dive up carefully to do it if the motor isn't accessible externally.
Bedankt! Eindelijk deze mooie Tulip echt op RUclips. We gebruikte ze veel op mijn technische school eind jaren 90. Ik haalde vandaag de mijne uit opslag, ook van een vriend gekregen maar bijna 10 jaar geleden en niet in één stuk maar hij werkt. Ook met de DGA (en MFM) kaart (de schijf was al weg) met dezelfde monitor. De db-9 naar die ronde monitor aansluiting moest ik alleen destijds zelf uitvogelen en maken. :)
Brought it back from the death, so much effort. I really like that you never give up on these old guys, no matter how bad things are. Amazing and great job. 👍
That's a fine piece of the 80s right there. Neat machine, it looks tidy inside. Looking forwards to part 2 so we can see it in more detail. :) I had forgotten about low-level formatting, cheers for the flashback. Really fun to see you getting that dead HD up again! Impressive. I'd probably have tossed it, not going to lie.. Oh, and what a treat - the original Windows 1, using the correct installation disks even! Haha, loved that.
Awesome. It has been a while since I saw the Tulip PC Compact 2. It was the very first PC my dad owned (and subsequently the very first PC I owned obviously) and many, many hours of fun and learning followed. It actually came with the EGA card that you could buy as an option, the Tulip Enhanced Video Adapter (TEVA). The PC has long since found its way elsewhere, but I kept the graphics card and recently I found it again, neatly packed in a box. I also kept the keyboard, and used it for years afterwards, until PS/2 came along. Tulip keyboards had a reputation of being virtually indestructible, and a well earned reputation it was.
@@RetroSpector78 Cool. Mine ultimately had 2 Covox Soundmaster II cards in it, providing me with stereo capability. The system was just powerful enough to play 4 channel MOD files.
@@RetroSpector78 I just remembered another neat thing about the TEVA2 card (I took it out of its box last weekend and it is a TEVA2 card, not a TEVA card): it also supports the 640x480x16 graphics mode (mode 12h). I never owned an EGA compatible RGBi monitor that supported this resolution, so I could never try it out. Hmm, maybe I'll dump the ROM once my EEPROM programmer has arrived.
I have never seen such an early version of Windows, fascinating. What an excellent computer. Thank you for bringing it back to life and looking forward to part 2. Cheers
Interesting video. Liked the historical walkthrough of the manufacturer and your clever troubleshooting of the HDD. Especially cool that you took the time to install and present some period correct software that would have been used with the machine. Thank you for your great content.
Very nice machine, have to love these clones. Sometime an old hard drive just needs a little persuasion to get going :) Looking forward to part 2 and getting a better look at the hardware.
Your videos are by far those of the most that I enjoy watching, I even I look forward to your videos, your patience, perseverance, and effort are fantastic values that you own, bringing back to life these amazing systems from years ago and showing it to the world! Thanks! Greetings from Costa Rica :D
I worked in a repair lab in the 80’s - a firm wack on the desk with the disk on it’s side fixed many drives - especially those that wouldn’t spin up because the heads get stuck
I've always loved a Tulip PC. I had a Tulip 286 back in the early 90s, with it's 20MB HD, 5.25 HD FD, 3.5 HD FD and VGA it was a massive upgrade from my Sanyo 8088 with CGA and one 360k FD. I recently picked up a Tulip 386, I might just have to do a video on it!
The funny thing about these Tulips are the floppy drive settings. They didn't use the floppy cable with a twist. So if you swapped a drive with a non Tulip machine you always had to jumper it again. Man I lost count of how many Tulips I have had. The fastest Tulip I still have is a Tulip AT 386/25 with a RAM extender to 8MB and a co-processor. And it has a little 1*16 character LCD screen in the front. Those were the days... Another Tulip I have is an Tulip AT compact III 286 which I use quite often with my TTL and memory tester to repair machines like PDP8 and PDP11...
I remember a similar trick with very old HDDs that either didn't work or were flaky after having been left alone for a long time. We used to remove the drive, place it side on against the desk and give it a sharp smack against the desk surface. Not enough to damage it but enough hopefully to free up any stuck heads and sometimes it actually worked but if it didn't, well the drive was useless anyway.
Also had few years a go a Miniscribe MFM, I noticed that the disk was not spinning, After carefully manualy rotate the disk it came loose. After poweron indeed the disk spins again but that was it. So open up the drive and the head was broken off. ON the disk clearly to see that the head was chemically been stuck to the platter. So thats the problem if you let it sit for a long time.
You were a LOT more patient with that HDD then I would have been. Admittedly I probably would have just plonked in an XTIDE from the get go. In saying that, having the original HDD is a nice thing to have.
A working 3.5 inch MFM in 2020 is unique enough to put some time and effort in it :) still learning about hard drives and trying to fix them properly. Every drive seems to be different and has different issues. Reason I kept at it is because I couldn’t find my xtide card :)
I am big on trying to use era-appropriate drives where possible. My Tandy 1000 RL-HD’s drive still works, which was a very pleasant surprise! Unfortunately, the HDD in my PS/2 model 30 286 fired up mostly OK the first time and over the next three boots or so, went straight down hill to where it’s completely unusable now. No worries though, I’m sure I can find a replacement ESDI drive on Amazon easily enough... 😒
@@MrLurchsThings There might be a market for an XTIDE with sound effects. One that makes the spindle motor sound when powered and seek noises whenever it's accessed. :)
the tulip pc compact II was first PC in 1990 at home (before i had and sinclair spectrum 48k) , with 3.5 and 5.25 fdd, vga card and color monitor, and the mfm 60Mb hdd. ufff nostalgic . i still have the keyboard, fully functional, but with din5 to ps2 adapter.
I had one of these a few years ago, but the front panel was slightly different. The cool thing about the graphics card was that, by using different combinations of the switch on the back and the setup utility, it could support native Hercules, native CGA, or CGA emulation on a Hercules display. I wish I hadn't sold it, but I didn't have the space to keep it any more.
My guess of what's going on when you hit the HDD on the side with a screwdriver is, I think you are dislodging old grease and grime from the motor bearings. I bet if you somehow cleaned the motor, it would work better.
An informative and enjoyable video. I would like to see a video that compares the different versions of Microsoft Windows prior to 3.0 (1.0, 2.03, 2.1/286); specifically, the versions that run with processors prior to 386. Alternatively, a brief video that compares the major environments of the time (e.g. IBM TopView, and others) with Microsoft Windows.
Some notes on the CGA emulation: Since the screen has 350 lines, and CGA uses 200, you will have to do something "clever" to map CGA on that screen, and there are multiple ways of doing this. That's why you see a difference between the GP in "hercules" mode (which isn't really hercules resolution, but a CGA emulation of its own), and GP using the DGA card in CGA emulation mode. With the card in Hercules mode, GP will simply take the CGA graphics and put a 320x200 resolution on the screen. Since that would make the picture quite small and stretched, it will not display all 200 lines directly on top of each other, but will use line skipping. This mean you will see tiny (well, not so tiny) black lines in the picture. The DGA card in CGA emulation does something similar, but instead of skipping lines on the display, it will duplicate lines. So, the first line is displayed twice, then the second one only once, and so on. In this case, you won't see black lines, but shapes become a bit rough on the edges because some lines are double the height.
ah nice :) I have one of those with a matching german keyboard so these were available in many countries apparently, unfortunately I do not have that lovely monitor
You can try spinrite on this diskdrive. The tool is somehow able to kinda repair some sectors or remap if they are really bad. Helped me a lot on old computers! Otherwise just get an XTIDE and put a CF or SD card in the system. Old computers which i use more than others get this treatment because i don't want to kill the old drives with daily usage.
If you listen really carefully to that fan bolted on the back, you can still hear the design engineer saying “I thought for sure it would be fine with passive cooling. Oh well, we can fit a fan in here somewhere. Uh..., hmm. Wait, I’ve got it!”
Very interesting to see it come with a QWERTY keyboard, I was expecting something more European. Awesome to see you're sharing this with your daughter too.
Most european counties inreed have there own keyboard layout. However in the Netherlands we mostly use (and still use) the US layout. Hardly ever you see a Dutch layout.
Low Level Format using SureStore (instead of calling controller's BIOS LLF function) would very likely fix the problem probably without destroying data. Also those ST-125, ST-157A drives are pretty much most reliable drives of the stepper motor era (because they are last of the drives released using this type of head mechanism) and your sounds pretty good.
Nice wat een gave dingen waren dat. De latere Tulips heb ik nog als Winframe clients ingezet met de Citrix DOS clients of te wel de eerste Citrix receivers met de jusite nic's was dat prima te doen :)
those old hard drives, most of them used stepper motors, that seemed to lock up when not used for a very long time, my WD model-x had that issue and it took forever to get the motor to work free, I had to use some pliers on the external shaft to give it a nudge after that it worked
Years ago I accidentally dropped a hard drive about an inch or two while it was running and it generated lots of slow spots in the drive and only a few bad sectors. So even with the bad sectors marked, the drive was terribly slow. A full check of the drive using spin rite still didn't mark those spots as bad, so I found a utility that would read the entire drive and generate a list of slow sectors. I took that list and for each slow spot, I also marked the one before it and the one after it as bad in my list. I then used a utility that manually updated the FAT with my user supplied bad sectors and the drive worked great once again.
My other favorite thing were the old AMI bios based motherboards that could automap a bad sector list during a format as well as do interleave testing to find the best possible interleave in a lowlevel format. I kept one of those around for the purpose of formatting used drives.
My first pc was a Tulip compact 386sx16 with color VGA 4 mb ram 40mb harddrive 51/4" and 3 1/2"floppy drive busmouse with logo, same box keyboard monitor housing with newer colors. the mainboard was all 286 just souped up with de 386 cpu.
That is a lovely XT clone, it is so well built compared to some of the junk PC's we had here during that time. OK I am going to go off-topic big time but can you still get parts for Batavus mopeds in Holland? I know they still make bicycles but parts for the old mopeds are kind of difficult to get here in USA.
I have a Tulip AT Compact 2. I turned it on once and then a capacitor exploded. And now it's gathering dust. It has a Dual Graphics Adapter and it's also connected to the motherboard with a little cable and I have no idea what this cable is for.
Apart systeem. Een High-Density floppy in een XT en ook nog met een bandkabel zonder twist. Neem aan dat de diskdrive dan de originele Shurgart standaard gebruikt? Blijkbaar kozen de meeste kloon bouwers voor IBM’s oplossing met uitzondering van Tulip en Commodore.
Latere Tulips modellen (de platte variant) hebben we nog gebruikt als station om Chello het huidige Ziggo te delen dmv Coyote Linux zodat de hele organisatie vrij voordelig internet had naast vaste verbindingen naar vestigingen wauw dat is lang geleden. Geweldig zeg.
Nice pc, I heard of them in the days but never saw them in stores. Love the way they got everything neatly in that case. Ah I saw that Atari pc4 again in the background. Can't wait until you get to that one! Still fond memories of the pc3 I had in the '80. Did you think about the Philips XT P3120 I really wanted to buy from you?
Have exact the same Tulip Compact 2. Bought new by a family member. ST-125 MFM, Didn't you notice the Harddrive LABEL? ON MFM and RLL drives there are factory known BAd sector list. Alway's type that first in. Than a LLF and a Format. With old drives try Norton Disk Doctor,Or Norton Utility's to install and check the drive for more problems. That program also physical check the sectors and if problems they are blocked out. By then you have a pretty reliable Hd. I always first try a HD with Norton to get it going. It save time for otherwise a complete reinstall.
Except for the hard drive, this computer is in pretty good shape. I wonder however if there aren't any SD Card adapters for 286 computers, so you could get rid of the failing HDD and transfer files easier.
My mind is BLOWN call 1-1-2, stop the presses! OMG I have to touch its :O that model is the very very very first computer I ever interacted with back on pré school. Tulip Compact 2. IT was that machine where I learned the basics of programming and networking and did things a 4 year old kid shouldn't know about, kinda like those kid app developers of todays society which me made an Senior network and system engineer nowadays!
great vid, but you turned off the maths coprocessor in the bios - shouldnt it have one? Also if it has one, could you find some software that makes use of it and demo that?
Remember this from when inwas young my dad had an ancient one of these sat in the living room worked until about 2007 then wouldnt boot and was put in the loft wouldnt mind getting it down trying to fix it some time but probably a bit beyond my knowledge
The keyboard you have is NOT a Dutch keyboard, it is a slightly weird US keyboard. Slightly weird because of the inverse L shaped Enter key, which is more typical of European keyboards, compared to typical US keyboards, and because of the weird Enter key shape, the key with the \ and | symbols was moved. Dutch keyboards are actually pretty rare, I know that you could get them in the past from IBM, and I think HP, but if you bought a PC in a high street store in the Netherlands, it would have a US keyboard. This is still the case today. In fact most Dutch people have never seen a Dutch keyboard layout.
Tulip also made them, but they were rarely used indeed. It's a so called US International keyboard. Dutch people tend to use that instead of the real Dutch keyboard ;)
@@HomeComputerMuseum It seems to depend on the manufacturer. But all of the US International keyboards I have, have the horizontal Enter key. But indeed they do exist with the inverse L shaped key. These days, a keyboard sold as US International normally has the Euro key on it, while true US keyboards normally don't. At least those shipped by major PC manufacturers (after market keyboards may be different). And this is from experience as I have lived in the US for many years.
Thanks for the shout-out! The Compact 2 is actually from 1987 and it was the first computer used in the Netherlands with tax rebate. People could 'buy' them with discount using their vacation days. Tens of thousands of computers were ordered and were picked up by people on 2 different locations in one weekend. Tulip was already ahead in many ways, but this defined the success and they became 4th biggest manufacturer of IBM PC-clones in Europe and second (and briefly first) in the Netherlands. There were more versions of the Compact II. There was a more expensive Compact 2 AT (with 80286 CPU) and even a very expensive Compact 2 SX (with 80386 CPU). Later versions didn't have the black fronts anymore, but were all white. And yes, a Compact 3 also exists. Also, that huge sticker on the side isn't by default on the machine. The previous owner put it there, we have boxed ones in the museum and they really don't have a sticker on the side. Only mentioning Tulip on front and back (and monitor, keyboard and mouse as well, but all manufacturers did that).
Based on the fact that the drive suddenly works when you hit it with a screwdriver it sounds like the head assembly is is getting gummed up, maybe on old dried up lubricant in the bearings. "Adrian's Digital Basement" has a video on fixing this issue if you're interested. You might be able to re-lubricate the head assembly bearings. You might have to open the dive up carefully to do it if the motor isn't accessible externally.
mooi na al die jaren weer eens een Tulip te zien :-)
As someone from the Netherlands this brings back memories, while at school we had a computer lab filled with the Tulip Compact 2 computers.
Could use one of those right now to help me debug the issue with the power supply :)
Bedankt! Eindelijk deze mooie Tulip echt op RUclips. We gebruikte ze veel op mijn technische school eind jaren 90. Ik haalde vandaag de mijne uit opslag, ook van een vriend gekregen maar bijna 10 jaar geleden en niet in één stuk maar hij werkt. Ook met de DGA (en MFM) kaart (de schijf was al weg) met dezelfde monitor. De db-9 naar die ronde monitor aansluiting moest ik alleen destijds zelf uitvogelen en maken. :)
Brought it back from the death, so much effort. I really like that you never give up on these old guys, no matter how bad things are. Amazing and great job. 👍
That's a fine piece of the 80s right there. Neat machine, it looks tidy inside. Looking forwards to part 2 so we can see it in more detail. :)
I had forgotten about low-level formatting, cheers for the flashback. Really fun to see you getting that dead HD up again! Impressive. I'd probably have tossed it, not going to lie..
Oh, and what a treat - the original Windows 1, using the correct installation disks even! Haha, loved that.
Awesome. It has been a while since I saw the Tulip PC Compact 2. It was the very first PC my dad owned (and subsequently the very first PC I owned obviously) and many, many hours of fun and learning followed. It actually came with the EGA card that you could buy as an option, the Tulip Enhanced Video Adapter (TEVA). The PC has long since found its way elsewhere, but I kept the graphics card and recently I found it again, neatly packed in a box.
I also kept the keyboard, and used it for years afterwards, until PS/2 came along. Tulip keyboards had a reputation of being virtually indestructible, and a well earned reputation it was.
Think the original owner will beef up the computer with en EGA card and a soundblaster.
@@RetroSpector78 Cool. Mine ultimately had 2 Covox Soundmaster II cards in it, providing me with stereo capability. The system was just powerful enough to play 4 channel MOD files.
@@RetroSpector78 I just remembered another neat thing about the TEVA2 card (I took it out of its box last weekend and it is a TEVA2 card, not a TEVA card): it also supports the 640x480x16 graphics mode (mode 12h). I never owned an EGA compatible RGBi monitor that supported this resolution, so I could never try it out. Hmm, maybe I'll dump the ROM once my EEPROM programmer has arrived.
I have never seen such an early version of Windows, fascinating. What an excellent computer. Thank you for bringing it back to life and looking forward to part 2. Cheers
Interesting video. Liked the historical walkthrough of the manufacturer and your clever troubleshooting of the HDD. Especially cool that you took the time to install and present some period correct software that would have been used with the machine. Thank you for your great content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very nice machine, have to love these clones.
Sometime an old hard drive just needs a little persuasion to get going :)
Looking forward to part 2 and getting a better look at the hardware.
Thanks ... guess there will be a part 3 also :)
Your videos are by far those of the most that I enjoy watching, I even I look forward to your videos, your patience, perseverance, and effort are fantastic values that you own, bringing back to life these amazing systems from years ago and showing it to the world! Thanks! Greetings from Costa Rica :D
Wow, thank you! Glad to have you onboard ... hope you'll stick around ... lots more stuff to come.
I still have 2 of those Tulip Compact 2's at my attic.
Dutch schools in the late 80's / early 90's had many of them.
Nice video! Happy you can keep making them in this pandemic thing.
More to come!
Our first home computer was the succesor to the PC Compact 2, the AT Compact 3... oh those were the days, i learned a lot from that beast :)
They also sold Tulip Computers in the UK for a short while too.
I've seen them in Western Australia also. No idea why.. but there was a few around and not from people that brought it over.
I thought I remembered seeing these here in the UK also.
thank you for posting. well done, as always. i admire your perseverance. take care & stay safe..
I worked in a repair lab in the 80’s - a firm wack on the desk with the disk on it’s side fixed many drives - especially those that wouldn’t spin up because the heads get stuck
Nice job btw, I love your video style and the old stuff you work on.
Appreciate it ! thx.
Nice saving of the hard drive there.
Glad you're back and making videos!
I've always loved a Tulip PC. I had a Tulip 286 back in the early 90s, with it's 20MB HD, 5.25 HD FD, 3.5 HD FD and VGA it was a massive upgrade from my Sanyo 8088 with CGA and one 360k FD. I recently picked up a Tulip 386, I might just have to do a video on it!
In Belgium this tulip brand was also common. Nice video !
I wopuld love to hear that hard drive in real life. Nostalgia overload :)
Your videos are so satisfying. Thank you!
The funny thing about these Tulips are the floppy drive settings. They didn't use the floppy cable with a twist. So if you swapped a drive with a non Tulip machine you always had to jumper it again. Man I lost count of how many Tulips I have had. The fastest Tulip I still have is a Tulip AT 386/25 with a RAM extender to 8MB and a co-processor. And it has a little 1*16 character LCD screen in the front. Those were the days... Another Tulip I have is an Tulip AT compact III 286 which I use quite often with my TTL and memory tester to repair machines like PDP8 and PDP11...
This is my favourite computer in my collection :) I've added a lot of stuff to it over the years and yes, there is a Tulip mouse.
I remember a similar trick with very old HDDs that either didn't work or were flaky after having been left alone for a long time. We used to remove the drive, place it side on against the desk and give it a sharp smack against the desk surface. Not enough to damage it but enough hopefully to free up any stuck heads and sometimes it actually worked but if it didn't, well the drive was useless anyway.
Lol - just posted the same thing - I worked at Olivetti and did this several times a week!
Also had few years a go a Miniscribe MFM, I noticed that the disk was not spinning, After carefully manualy rotate the disk it came loose. After poweron indeed the disk spins again but that was it. So open up the drive and the head was broken off. ON the disk clearly to see that the head was chemically been stuck to the platter.
So thats the problem if you let it sit for a long time.
Maurice H Miniscribe’s did that out of the
box new! Firm wack on the side and it was fixed - two hours of easy saturday morning overtime!
A friend of mine has a Tulip-PC too, a pentium 2 machine though, I didn't even know that brand existed before I saw it XD
You were a LOT more patient with that HDD then I would have been. Admittedly I probably would have just plonked in an XTIDE from the get go. In saying that, having the original HDD is a nice thing to have.
A working 3.5 inch MFM in 2020 is unique enough to put some time and effort in it :) still learning about hard drives and trying to fix them properly. Every drive seems to be different and has different issues. Reason I kept at it is because I couldn’t find my xtide card :)
RetroSpector78 I still have the original HDD in my Compaq Portable II purely because it makes the most magical sound.
I am big on trying to use era-appropriate drives where possible. My Tandy 1000 RL-HD’s drive still works, which was a very pleasant surprise! Unfortunately, the HDD in my PS/2 model 30 286 fired up mostly OK the first time and over the next three boots or so, went straight down hill to where it’s completely unusable now. No worries though, I’m sure I can find a replacement ESDI drive on Amazon easily enough... 😒
@@MrLurchsThings There might be a market for an XTIDE with sound effects. One that makes the spindle motor sound when powered and seek noises whenever it's accessed. :)
@@RetroSpector78 PS: Check/reply your email *shakes fist* #SepTandy
the tulip pc compact II was first PC in 1990 at home (before i had and sinclair spectrum 48k) , with 3.5 and 5.25 fdd, vga card and color monitor, and the mfm 60Mb hdd. ufff nostalgic . i still have the keyboard, fully functional, but with din5 to ps2 adapter.
Percussive maintenance for the win! ;-)
I had one of these a few years ago, but the front panel was slightly different. The cool thing about the graphics card was that, by using different combinations of the switch on the back and the setup utility, it could support native Hercules, native CGA, or CGA emulation on a Hercules display. I wish I hadn't sold it, but I didn't have the space to keep it any more.
I have worked for Tulip computers...Good old days...
Beautiful
A little father-daughter time with the multimeters 🥰
My guess of what's going on when you hit the HDD on the side with a screwdriver is, I think you are dislodging old grease and grime from the motor bearings. I bet if you somehow cleaned the motor, it would work better.
An informative and enjoyable video.
I would like to see a video that compares the different versions of Microsoft Windows prior to 3.0 (1.0, 2.03, 2.1/286); specifically, the versions that run with processors prior to 386. Alternatively, a brief video that compares the major environments of the time (e.g. IBM TopView, and others) with Microsoft Windows.
That was actually the first PC ny family had. Wow, the memories. Ours came with a 5.25 Floppy and a mouse.
Oh wow I had completely forgotten about the Tulip brand of PCs. They sold them here in Denmark too.
Some notes on the CGA emulation: Since the screen has 350 lines, and CGA uses 200, you will have to do something "clever" to map CGA on that screen, and there are multiple ways of doing this. That's why you see a difference between the GP in "hercules" mode (which isn't really hercules resolution, but a CGA emulation of its own), and GP using the DGA card in CGA emulation mode.
With the card in Hercules mode, GP will simply take the CGA graphics and put a 320x200 resolution on the screen. Since that would make the picture quite small and stretched, it will not display all 200 lines directly on top of each other, but will use line skipping. This mean you will see tiny (well, not so tiny) black lines in the picture.
The DGA card in CGA emulation does something similar, but instead of skipping lines on the display, it will duplicate lines. So, the first line is displayed twice, then the second one only once, and so on. In this case, you won't see black lines, but shapes become a bit rough on the edges because some lines are double the height.
ah nice :) I have one of those with a matching german keyboard so these were available in many countries apparently, unfortunately I do not have that lovely monitor
You can try spinrite on this diskdrive. The tool is somehow able to kinda repair some sectors or remap if they are really bad.
Helped me a lot on old computers!
Otherwise just get an XTIDE and put a CF or SD card in the system. Old computers which i use more than others get this treatment because i don't want to kill the old drives with daily usage.
Oil the head stepper motor?
Not likely to help
@@eliotmansfield maybe not, but the drive might be a bit happier.
If you listen really carefully to that fan bolted on the back, you can still hear the design engineer saying “I thought for sure it would be fine with passive cooling. Oh well, we can fit a fan in here somewhere. Uh..., hmm. Wait, I’ve got it!”
Very interesting to see it come with a QWERTY keyboard, I was expecting something more European. Awesome to see you're sharing this with your daughter too.
Most european counties inreed have there own keyboard layout. However in the Netherlands we mostly use (and still use) the US layout.
Hardly ever you see a Dutch layout.
I don't often have much in the way of problems with those particular hard disks. I have one in my PS/2 Model 25 which still works.
Low Level Format using SureStore (instead of calling controller's BIOS LLF function) would very likely fix the problem probably without destroying data. Also those ST-125, ST-157A drives are pretty much most reliable drives of the stepper motor era (because they are last of the drives released using this type of head mechanism) and your sounds pretty good.
Nice wat een gave dingen waren dat. De latere Tulips heb ik nog als Winframe clients ingezet met de Citrix DOS clients of te wel de eerste Citrix receivers met de jusite nic's was dat prima te doen :)
those old hard drives, most of them used stepper motors, that seemed to lock up when not used for a very long time, my WD model-x had that issue and it took forever to get the motor to work free, I had to use some pliers on the external shaft to give it a nudge after that it worked
Back in the 90's I remember me and a friend shoehorning a 486sx into a compact 2 chassis.. Nice case that.
Years ago I accidentally dropped a hard drive about an inch or two while it was running and it generated lots of slow spots in the drive and only a few bad sectors. So even with the bad sectors marked, the drive was terribly slow. A full check of the drive using spin rite still didn't mark those spots as bad, so I found a utility that would read the entire drive and generate a list of slow sectors. I took that list and for each slow spot, I also marked the one before it and the one after it as bad in my list. I then used a utility that manually updated the FAT with my user supplied bad sectors and the drive worked great once again.
My other favorite thing were the old AMI bios based motherboards that could automap a bad sector list during a format as well as do interleave testing to find the best possible interleave in a lowlevel format. I kept one of those around for the purpose of formatting used drives.
My first pc was a Tulip compact 386sx16 with color VGA 4 mb ram 40mb harddrive 51/4" and 3 1/2"floppy drive busmouse with logo, same box keyboard monitor housing with newer colors. the mainboard was all 286 just souped up with de 386 cpu.
That is a lovely XT clone, it is so well built compared to some of the junk PC's we had here during that time. OK I am going to go off-topic big time but can you still get parts for Batavus mopeds in Holland? I know they still make bicycles but parts for the old mopeds are kind of difficult to get here in USA.
Lekker om 'n BIOS te sien in 'n taal wat meer sin maak. Groete uit Suid Afrika.
Dat is super ! Bedankt en vele groeten uit België !
21:05 - You missed "AAAAAAAAAND, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT???? REVERSI!!!!" (quote from the old Ballmer's commercial for Windows 1.0 xD)
I have a Tulip AT Compact 2. I turned it on once and then a capacitor exploded. And now it's gathering dust.
It has a Dual Graphics Adapter and it's also connected to the motherboard with a little cable and I have no idea what this cable is for.
(In response to the second video) I just noticed it also has that mouse port and it's also missing the mouse chip on the motherboard.
I remember from old mid-90s PC magazines that they sold Tulips also here in Finland.
Apart systeem. Een High-Density floppy in een XT en ook nog met een bandkabel zonder twist. Neem aan dat de diskdrive dan de originele Shurgart standaard gebruikt? Blijkbaar kozen de meeste kloon bouwers voor IBM’s oplossing met uitzondering van Tulip en Commodore.
I dug out my old Compact 2, can you please upload the dos and win diskette images to archive org?
on my 286 pc i have windows 3.0 installed. and this with just 640k of RAM. and my 20 MB MFM HDD is 100% okay Thank you for this great video.
Latere Tulips modellen (de platte variant) hebben we nog gebruikt als station om Chello het huidige Ziggo te delen dmv Coyote Linux zodat de hele organisatie vrij voordelig internet had naast vaste verbindingen naar vestigingen wauw dat is lang geleden. Geweldig zeg.
Nice pc, I heard of them in the days but never saw them in stores. Love the way they got everything neatly in that case. Ah I saw that Atari pc4 again in the background. Can't wait until you get to that one! Still fond memories of the pc3 I had in the '80. Did you think about the Philips XT P3120 I really wanted to buy from you?
Leuke PC, ik was van plan ook een Tulip te kopen maar heb ik toch gekozen een 386 te kopen.
Misschien een andere keer hah.
I remember that we had one of these, but I do not recall this giant sticker on the side. Seems like a fanboy had put it there.
Stuck heads? Might want to consider a little oil in the stepper motor.
Tulip Computers.. brings back memories.. to bad my 486 series of them died on me when i dropped a screwdriver on the board :(
Could you please upload its diagnostics diskette image somewhere in a free time of you?
download.homecomputer.museum/ :)
Have exact the same Tulip Compact 2. Bought new by a family member. ST-125 MFM, Didn't you notice the Harddrive LABEL? ON MFM and RLL drives there are factory known BAd sector list. Alway's type that first in. Than a LLF and a Format. With old drives try Norton Disk Doctor,Or Norton Utility's to install and check the drive for more problems. That program also physical check the sectors and if problems they are blocked out. By then you have a pretty reliable Hd. I always first try a HD with Norton to get it going. It save time for otherwise a complete reinstall.
Again a Dutch computer!!! Cool😁
Tulip owned the Commodore non Amiga IP in the 1990s IIRC
Neat machine! Odd it came with two parallel ports instead of two serial ports.
But wait, does it come with (can you believe it?) reversi?
Are the floppies called Daisy's lol
Nice, I had 286 from Tulip
Ooooh ja die disk en low level format dit brengt je terug in de tijd haha
Except for the hard drive, this computer is in pretty good shape.
I wonder however if there aren't any SD Card adapters for 286 computers, so you could get rid of the failing HDD and transfer files easier.
My mind is BLOWN call 1-1-2, stop the presses! OMG I have to touch its :O that model is the very very very first computer I ever interacted with back on pré school. Tulip Compact 2. IT was that machine where I learned the basics of programming and networking and did things a 4 year old kid shouldn't know about, kinda like those kid app developers of todays society which me made an Senior network and system engineer nowadays!
5:00 speaking of the (rode)devil..
The hard drive should be fixable for a long term reliable future with a low level format and some lubricant.
AWESOME
great vid, but you turned off the maths coprocessor in the bios - shouldnt it have one?
Also if it has one, could you find some software that makes use of it and demo that?
Love it!
9.54MHz? Isn't that exactly twice as fast as a normal 8088? (4.77x2)
Hoi
Geod, how does it have only a 3.1/2 floppy for the time? I thought 5 1/4 were still going at the time
What a shame that you couldn't save the data on the HD, I was so curious about that sokoban folder
Sweet machine.
That woman had her shirt on backwards at 1:59????
Remember this from when inwas young my dad had an ancient one of these sat in the living room worked until about 2007 then wouldnt boot and was put in the loft wouldnt mind getting it down trying to fix it some time but probably a bit beyond my knowledge
Heel Mooi!
Bij ons op school hadden ze volgens mij paar tulip 286 386 en 486 modellen
Dutch pride ! :)
I hacked a 486 in that box with all bells and whistles back in the day!
Are you from the Netherlands?
Thats a lot of Ram. Much more than 32k.
So, now I know what PC came with that monitor I got from trash.
I would have run Spinrite on that drive.
The keyboard you have is NOT a Dutch keyboard, it is a slightly weird US keyboard. Slightly weird because of the inverse L shaped Enter key, which is more typical of European keyboards, compared to typical US keyboards, and because of the weird Enter key shape, the key with the \ and | symbols was moved.
Dutch keyboards are actually pretty rare, I know that you could get them in the past from IBM, and I think HP, but if you bought a PC in a high street store in the Netherlands, it would have a US keyboard. This is still the case today. In fact most Dutch people have never seen a Dutch keyboard layout.
Tulip also made them, but they were rarely used indeed. It's a so called US International keyboard. Dutch people tend to use that instead of the real Dutch keyboard ;)
@@HomeComputerMuseum It seems to depend on the manufacturer. But all of the US International keyboards I have, have the horizontal Enter key. But indeed they do exist with the inverse L shaped key.
These days, a keyboard sold as US International normally has the Euro key on it, while true US keyboards normally don't. At least those shipped by major PC manufacturers (after market keyboards may be different).
And this is from experience as I have lived in the US for many years.
@@RobertdeRooy Yes. You're describing the ANSI vs ISO keyboard layouts.
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My family used to own it but my dad gave it away...
Ha i have exact the same pc
computer uit Holland hehe En nederlandse trots hel ja jongen.
If you can find an apricot...