Old Scarlet Monastery: Exploring the WoW Alpha (0.5.3)
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2023
- A look at the Old Scarlet Monastery, as found in the World of Warcraft Alpha from 2003. In this version of the game, the Scarlet Monsatery is one continuous dungeon, contrasting the four separate wings found in the World of Warcraft Vanilla/Classic version.
The 2nd part is a quick (and slightly chaotic) look at Andorhal, which has also undergone some extensive changes.
In this video series, we take a look at the oldest playable version of World of Warcraft Classic - the WoW Alpha Version 0.5.3. Big thanks to the folks over at the AlphaProject for getting this version up and running and sharing it with the world! I hope you enjoy this glimpse at what used to be, and perhaps together we will find some inspiration for what might lie in wait for Classic+, if Blizzard ever does decide to expand their original entry into the series!
AlphaProject Discord Link: / discord
Give some of my other videos a watch if you enjoyed this one:
• The Story Of Classic+
• Old Orgrimmar: Explori...
Shout out to Geo Frey and Willy Bear for suggesting I take a look at the Old Scarlet Monastery and Andorhal respecitvely! I hope you will enjoy this! :) 
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This is absolutely fascinating. To think these devs created absolutely everything and we still love it to this day. Insane longevity.
I absolutely agree! The game stands on the shoulders of giants ;)
Cause they’re LOOOONG!
And they’re STROOOONG!
And they’re down to get their WoW shit on!
Kind of insane seeing Scarlet Monastery Looking like an actual cathedral.
I know, right? Love the vibe in there
I believe it's designed after an actual cathedral from France.
this alpha content is so neat and your commentary is great! thanks for the videos.
Thank you so much :) glad you like it!
Even tho I started playing wow in 2009 and seen a thousands lore / datamine / theory videos or posts, this is the first time I actually have an entire video showcasing this version of SM, thank you.
Those alpha dungeons and zones have some strange vibe. A fragments of someones work lost in time.
Yeah its eerie, a bit like playing empty maps of source games nowadays haha. Someone made a video on that actually, it's quite interesting!
And you are welcome, glad you enjoyed it
this is so neat!! thank you for showing off all your discoveries!
You're very welcome! Thank you for watching :)
The older Herod looked more like a righteous paladin than the bold, reckless warrior that we ultimately had. He also wears the same outfit as the scarlet champion undead of the graveyard.
Whitemane was dressed with what would have later been known as Doan'robe and Doan's mantle
glad to see you’re back!!
Glad to see you around! Hope you'll swing by another stream at some point :)
I am a massive fan of your channel. I’ve shared it many times on my stream just because we love exploring so much.
Keep up the great work king
Thank you so much dude! I appreciate that so much :) There's more to come, I'm just a bit caught up with university these next few days. Stay tuned! I'll be sure to check out your stream as soon as I get the chance!:))
this is so dope, I actually like this SM better than the newer version in classic wow
You literally make me want to create a toon on classic wow now. The ambience the the vibe of this game 20 years later ages like a fine wine. Keep up the good work man!
Thank you so much! And if you have some time to spare, give it a try. Classic is great! Whether it be Classic Era or hardcore.
If you do get into it, give hardcore a try at some point. It actually brings back a lot of the "old school" feeling of Classic World of Warcraft in the sense that, at least for the moment, level 60s and epic gear are somewhat rare compared to normal Classic. And there is a whole new feeling of community with the amount of trust you have to put into your group mates when venturing into dungeons etc.
@@DArch706 Possibly at some point I will try hardcore classic, but for now will wait to see if classic+ is happening, if not will go on classic :)
Nice video, love the alpha content, would love to see more explorations
Thanks, there's more to come ! :)
I love this scarlet monastery way more than the one we are use to... Great video, ty!
Thank you ! Glad you liked it :)
Thank you for showing Andorhol!
You are very welcome! :)
Great video, it's always interesting to see what wow used to look like in beta
Thank you :)
this is really cool and interesting. good content
Thanks ! Glad you like it :)
I think at the beginning there, when you teleport you are actually teleporting INTO the instance, but the teleport point is behind the portal for some reason. That's why there's nothing back there. When you went up the stairs, you're exiting the dungeon, just from the back of the portal.
I'll re-watch the vid and check ingame if that's the case. Will get back to you! :)
Imagine for Classic+ they go for a scarlet crusade expansion with a massive scarlet dungeon and raid.
There's soooo much cool stuff they should do! But more scarlet crusades surely never hurts :D
I really dig this vibe and lighting over the game as we know it.
Me too! I think they had to downgrade due to hardware constraints, which is why the game we got sometimes looks a bit bland compared to the Alpha. And even so, my PC in 2005 still couldn't handle 40 man raids haha. I also noticed that for example objects such as chests etc seem to have a higher resolution on the Alpha than they do in Vanilla WoW.
@@DArch706I distinctly remember the login screen having way more contrast and detail in 2005. I remember seeing smoke blow past the horse flag on the orc login screen and it was one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. I haven’t ever seen that detail in the login screen again since then
nice video, another thing I noticed on this version is that Zul Farrak is spawned outdoors, it was not intended to be a dungeon in the first place
Might be worth checking out as well, yeah!
Similar to Jintha'Alor in the Hinterlands, considered an "open world dungeon" like MMO's before WoW introduced instanced dungeons.
Hardcore WoW fan guide:
Step #1: explore vanilla WoW.
Step #2: explore WoW Alpha.
Step #3: explore WoW source code.
the lightning has something like a taste to it, I just want to play it, idk why
Does have a different feel to it than what we are used to. :)
I think i like this layout far more than what we have now.. Both in classic as we know it and retail.
Same here!
That looks amazing. I wish it was like that in the game. I feels more real and big.
Yeah the lighting and everything comes together real nicely!
I think it was the right decision to split it. A Brd'ish dungeon on level thirty is a bit hard. Also the splittet parts are genius byy looking at the alpha.
@@holobolo454 Dunno, i feel like 4 was too much. Sometimes It feels too short and "small" each dungeon. Specially when u only do 1 wing. Maybe Gy+Library and Arms+Cath could have been an option.
I really like that version of Andorhal. Interesting seing some buildings still intact and it felt a little larger or more lived in and fought over.
Yeah, same here! It's super different. Makes sense they changed it though - people were complaining about it being impossible to navigate solo, and with it being so prominently in the center of the zone, they decided to at least open it up by removing the walls.
Yeah. I can see those walls and some buildings being a problem if you are on your own and surrounded by undead.
:D I kind of like the ruined fortifications and do have a bias for those original worn down human/undead buildings so it's cool to see them. They have a creepy vibe I like. xD If they did go with that layout I probably would've got killed multiple times exploring/admiring the place. lol
I never understood what was the idea behind the undeads living just next to the crusaders in the graveyard
Yeah hahahah it is genuinely so strange! And I'm pretty sure there's almost no lore on that either? Like the only quest associated with GY is the one that you get from the tortured forsaken in the first room, and I don't think he really explains what the deal with the Bloodmage etc. is.
@@DArch706 exactly, no lore at all. I tried to make my research a while ago but it seems that it wasn't explored any further not even in the next expansions. Even Bloodmage Thalnos it's only assumed that he was an high elf because he is a bloodmage. In 5.0.4 he was renamed into Thalnos the Soulrender but all the info we have about him is that he was a sadistic torturer and extremist and then he got the plague and now he setted his domain inside the graveyard, thats it basically. We don't know if the crusaders are his allied, but there isn't any evidence of this, and also how can they be his allies lore-wise? It wouldn't make much sense, he should've made the end of Fairbanks. And yet, the scarlet members in the torture chambers are chilling just some meters away from his undeads, without even a barricade or gate to separate them xD
From what i know all npc locations are held server side so how do they know the placement of the mobs? Are the just matched to what we know from classic with the models from the beta or is there more to it?
Hey, thanks for your comment! Really appreciate it :)
I actually talked to the server owner about that in the past, and he stated that they use old WDB files which they obtained from players who played back in the day on official alpha/beta servers, wrote tools to extract said cached data, which contained info on items, npcs, quests. They extracted all data from the archived allakhazam website, thottbot, etc as well as old screenshots and videos. They also used captured network packets from players who played on the original servers. From what I understand, the AlphaProject only adds what they know is 100% genuine, and if there is no "proof" of something existing/being a certain way in 0.5.3., it will not be added.
Edit: It's been asked a couple times so I just copy-pasted my reply to another comment, fyi :) wasnt really expecting this to get the views that it does have, if I were I would have done a better job at explaining the server etc. My bad!
Andorhal looks more like the WC3 mission.
cool video 👍
Thank you!:)
Man, they could have done SOOOOO much with the SC and instead they screw them, and keep doing it! I mean, Blizz created the 'necessary villain' that none openly wants BUT hope to be there, fighting, doing what the "noble warriors" cant, and failed to this day to exploid the fully potentials of this faction, for a more diversity in the game.
I think the day Blizzard killed off the Scarlet Crusade in the Wrath DK starting zone was pretty much the moment the game started going downhill lore-wise. And it was done so cheaply, too. One of the most iconic factions fed for the sake of a tutorial 😅 wcyd
@@DArch706 Well, personally i dont mind, that much what they did in DK zone BUT what they kept doing afterwards! SC was, ironically, infiltrated thus corrupted by a Dreadlord, so we cannot fully blame them for their ideas! Also, initially the Order was founded by survivors of Lordaeron, with what ever this means for their way of thinking, according to their sufferings, and lets NOT forget that they keep fighting the undead, all kinds of them, making HUGE sacrifices! So, i strongly believe that Blizz SHOULD have redeem them, on a certain level, by removing the stigma of "crazy lunatics", and keep them as a faction that works on the edge, yes, BUT in NO WAY being the lunatics we see them ingame!
Its somehow like how Batman works... Not a scout, like Superman, BUT NOT evil either... Something in between! Now THATS how you make a story interesting and keep ppl ingame! Also, as a Role Player, this would have been the ultimate dream and RP boost for tons of players out there! Trust me, i know!!
@@primarchxi6639 I agree with what you are saying, but I think part of it is also how society has changed in general since World of Warcraft first came out. Not to make this too philosophical/political, but I do think the way the SC went down was a necessary thing in terms of storytelling from the perspective of Blizzard. The increasing commercialisation of a product such as WoW kind of makes it necessary to get rid of moral grey areas. The more a game moves into the main-stream, the more it has to streamline it's storytelling and get rid of morally ambiguous characters, so as to prevent criticism from arising. One might argue that the whole "being taken over by a dreadlord" excuse was a cheap cop-out in the first place - it's the primary reason given these days as to why the Scarlet Crusade had forsaken it's ideals, when really it might as well come down to the circumstances they found themselves in that led to radicalization. And I do think that was reflected in the storytelling of Scarlet Crusade areas. So narratively speaking, I would agree with you that this aspect of the Scarlet Crusade got lost over the years, and they were literally being written off into the "cookie-cutter villain faction", which at the end of the day, is a shame - but not entirely unexpected given the series' trajectory.
@@DArch706 " The more a game moves into the main-stream, the more it has to streamline it's storytelling and get rid of morally ambiguous characters, so as to prevent criticism from arising"
I understand what you mean BUT if this is or was the case for Bizz then they should change lots of things lorewise, not just what they did with SC. Call me an idiot but i refuse to believe that this was the reason for what they did with SC cause this will eventually kill the game, lorewise...I wanna believe that it was just an extremely poor-idiotic choice.
Afterall, look at other games like 40k... There is no pure good or evil there...Every faction is kinda right, from their point of view, and see what the Imperium does in order to survive... horrible things!
There are hints that SC will return but, though im happy about it, i also wonder how much they will screw them this time...☹
in retail they are back in the undead heritage quests
i always wondered why the dungeon quest excludes arcanist doan but includes the houndmaster despite him being much less significant, i assume the quest was developed before and the kill credits were just never changed
Yea, super lazy job haha! That was also the first thing I was baffled by when I saw the old version, the quest finally made some sense.
The herod Boss room looks amazing. But yeah, only eyecandy.
Think they should have kept the wall around Anderhal and i love the way that SM just kinda flows in this version. Also of note is that in the video its spelled anderhol but in vanilla/classic its anderhal. Lastly the named abomination is a Rare.
Good call, I made a note to mention the name but totally forgot to as I was recording it. Thank you for pointing it out! Its especially interesting since the town is called Andorhal in the WC3 Human campaign, so that may just have been a lazy typo in the Alpha possibly?
Agree about the walls and SM, would have been neat to see a fleshed out version of that dungeon all in one!
The wall was live for the first few patches before being removed
Theres a book on alpha world of warcraft stuff I highly highly recc checking out. Sooo much amazing knowledge and info in there from the dev team and content that was removed to very very first screenshot of the game in the book.
I just looked it up! Great find! Thank you so so much :) I will give it a read, might even be worth a whole video on it's own.
OG lightforge helm :D
Hey, keep in mind that all the NPCs are added after the fact with the emulation, not necessarily that they actually were positioned originally like they are in the emulator you are playing.
I'm just thinking about your comment regarding Thalnos being out of place - which could just be the team developing the emulator taking some creative freedom.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and that all the NPC locations are actually able to be datamined, but I doubt that is the case.
Hey, thanks for your comment! Really appreciate it :)
I actually talked to the server owner about that in the past, and he stated that they use old WDB files which they obtained from players who played back in the day on official alpha/beta servers, wrote tools to extract said cached data, which contained info on items, npcs, quests. They extracted all data from the archived allakhazam website, thottbot, etc as well as old screenshots and videos. They also used captured network packets from players who played on the original servers. From what I understand, the AlphaProject only adds what they know is 100% genuine, and if there is no "proof" of something existing/being a certain way in 0.5.3., it will not be added.
@@DArch706Ah, interesting! That's a very nifty way to replicate it 1:1. Thanks for the insight!
I gotta say, very lovely videos you got here :)
thats historic and changed the way I am.
There are so many locations that looked better in the alpha than they did after release. Andorhal definitely looks better imo.
Truuuuu! Your profile pic reminds me of the fact I stumbled upon Led Zeppelin when I googled the Houses of the Holy quest for Strath at like 11 years old lmao, small fun fact. Good stuff!
Are there any guides to get this build up and running?
There is a discord link to the alphaproject in the description. Should have info on how to set it up & launch it. Otherwise I am sure people there would help you out if you asked, they're generally very nice. Helped me out a ton also :)
It is interesting what they changed😊
I think so too :)
Are there any private servers that use these old alpha versions?
Yes, but I only know of one. The AlphaProject discord link is in the description: they are trying to recreate the Alpha as faithfully as possible by using screenshot archives, old trailers etc. Sadly the max level for the friends & family Alpha, which the server uses, was level 25. So that's also the max level for the Alpha Server.
If you are curious about how it might look, Ive shown the gameplay in a couple of other videos on my channel. :)
cool video
Thanks! :)
I have always thought that Andorhal would have made a really awesome late game dungeon. But then again i also really like the idea of Stratholme being a 10 man raid like UBRS. I beleive Scholo was originally 10 man as well, that one could go either way.
Strath I believe was originally 15 man even - at least you could anyways enter with up to 40 people, and the meta settled around 10-15. I was really young at the time so I don't remember, but I could swear I was in there with 3 groups at some point haha. And ye I agree :) Most dungeons were originally intended to be outside areas (non-instanced), so the old Andorhal design would kind of fit into that philosophy also.
This seem to fit the idea that Scarlet Monastery was a raid initially, and Blizzard is going to bring this back on Classic + hopefully
Yea, hopefully! I think with Season of Discovery, this will 100% turn into a "endgame" raid at level 40, as they are doing with BFD. I'd still like to see some fresh 60 Scarlet Crusade raid though, that's for sure!
I really, but really dig this old Scarlet dungeon. Maybe just a little more refine options for the Thalnos Room and add the Arcanist Doan and this dungeon would have been really fun to do as is. Oh well, we had good memories of the current SM but personally I think this one should have been implanted instead.
Maybe 4 wings was too many. They feel too.. separated. Maybe 2 would have been better too.
Considering how often Library, Armory and Cathedral are done together by a lot of groups, 2 wings might make sense! But Graveyard is anyway one of my least favorite dungeons I think, very meh. But I agree that the Alpha version needs Doan, just need complete without him :D
@@DArch706I think there is something about fighting humans, makes this one and Deadmines very enjoyable. Maybe its just me 😅
0.5.3? Isn't that the very first version that got leaked back then? Like you can't go further back than this.
Yeah it is! And sadly you can't go back further than this from what I know - though I'd be real curious to see even older versions of WoW :)
"idk why its called old scarlet".... Cause its a alpha / pre-alpha build of the dungeon before it got changed into 4 old dungeons. It was a massive dungeon
It would be sick to see blizz polish this up and put it in Clasic+ as a 60 raid.
That's the dream! Let's hope for the best hehe
Old Sm > Live Sm
Word!
It looks way nicer with the light there.
I visit most churches I find in life and I never do it during the night as it just doesn't fit the theme imo.
Unless it's one of those old, gothic churches maybe? :D spooky stuff! I know what you mean though. The lighting fits the vibe a lot more here
The lighting reminds me of the WC3 cinematic lighting. Warm and kind of dreamlike.@@DArch706
I wish the original development team could go back and finish their vision for the game instead of going down the path of meeting the massive demand that took up their time after release.
Once they started making a lot of money this early vision was changed.
Yep, that's absolutely true! Would be a sight to see :) I like DesignerDave's channel on youtube, he worked on WoW in the development stages and sometimes has podcasts with other ex blizzard devs. Cool to hear their opinion on what happened to WoW, maybe worth checking out for you
Can you make a video showcasing the original ogre models? Few people even know they exist and there is barely any footage of them
You should be able to see them in parts of my alpha hardcore series as well as briefly in the duskwood video, but I will definitely showcase them again! I think the ogre models are quite interesting actually :)
@@DArch706 Yea, I remember fighting them very well in the ogre area in Loch Modan when I was very young.
For one it was my first encounter with an area of elites which made them badass.
But more than that me and a friend thought they were hilarious since their fat bellies bounced when they walked and that area had that badass drum-like music that is in some horde and boss areas. Their bellies was animated to almost bounce in perfect sync with that music 🤣
@@warhammerguy hahaha well guess there's something else I ought to test: whether or not the ogre belly flop really does sync with the horde music there!
And yeah Im pretty sure that corner of Loch Modan does just use the generic horde theme. Makes you wonder whats up with that, considering there is also a group of named Horde Runners (the elites) pathing from the ogre area all the way to the Badlands border. Maybe just a coincidence tho ;)
am I crazy if I just prefer the old lighting?
Then we're all crazy!
SM is my favorite dungeon
I can see why! Thematically I agree, I always liked the scarlet crusade as a faction. But I think mine would still have to be BRD, it's just such an iconic dungeon crawl :)
Scarlet Crusade is the coolest and most misunderstood faction. They must to be redeemed in the story.
I was soooo sad when they were killed off in Wrath. Done so cheaply, too! totally agree
Yeah its lazy and really typically liberal. hurr durrr fAsCistS wHitE supRemAciSts
I hold little hope for the SC with this current dev team. Will probably get killed off in favour of the stupid undead.@@DArch706
wow this games alpha looks so good, can't wait for whatever this is gonna be to come out! What is it's name though? like...I get that you are really wowd by this alpha, it looks great but if you wanna do eary access game reviews you should put the name of the game in the title.
Haha, fair enough. I started doing intros with some background info on the next couple of videos though, wasn't really expecting this to blow up the way it did :p If I could go back and redo it, I would. Regarding your question: the game is called World of Warcraft, it came out in 2004, and you may or may not have heard of it. :D
I am so thankful to witness the pinnacle of gaming during the 90's and the early 2000's ...when gaming used to surprise you every month and was able to tell a great story in addition to love for details in the environment and gameplay ... the games nowadays are nothing innovative and boring with a small list of exceptions...om glad I've never had to deal with sh*t like micro transactions and overpriced DLC stuff.. the games were just complete at the very beginning 🙏.
Well said! This year I played Fallout 2 for the first time ever, as well as BG1 and BG2 (not completed yet) and I can safely say it is not just nostalgia that makes these games shine. It's the commitment to storytelling. the particular depth these have is I think in large part due to the reliance on "conventional" means of storytelling by literary exposition - even though Baldurs Gate 3 is a great game, the hollywoodification of gaming by means of complex cutscenes, close-ups of characters and everything being fully voiced makes games in 2023 feel a bit more like pulp than art a lot of the time. Maybe that's something I'd like to explore in a future video. But first I have to get better at making videos 😁
@@DArch706 thanks, and thank you for the small nostalgic trip, back to vanilla and even further :D keep up the good work mate.
i really love this alpha SM
i mean the light in my opinion looks way better then in the released version
the "mega dungeon" would also feel better to walk through then a dungeon with just 1-2 bosses.
they should have made the graveyard instead of this courtyard and another way which leads into the library right next to the entrance to the cathedral.
with these 2 changes an maybe a few more trash mobs it would have been an insane dungeon!
Those changes really would tie it all together, good point! I believe they changed the lighting/graphics cause it was just asking too much of hardware at the time sadly
Yes a catedral full of holy (but misguided) paladins and clergy would perferd great illumination in ther dwelling.
Dumb question but aren't all NPCs server entities? We don't know what the NPCs did, or what they dropped back in Alpha because the databases and the server are all community projects
Heyhey, sorry for the late reply - I actually asked the server developer so I wouldn't go about spreading half truths haha. He said they are mainly getting the important infos they need from WDB files (cache files accumulated while playing the game). They obtained those files from players who played the official alpha/beta servers back in the day. There's also Thottbot and Allakhazam which they have extracted data from, as well as all the old screenshots and videos (I think I linked the screenshot db in one of my video descriptions, if you are curious to check it out). So as far as I am aware, everything that is there is as faithful as possible to the original, and I do remember discussions on the discord about including something and them refraining from doing so as the source was not 100% certified. So I think if they are not absolutely positive about the way something worked, it's not being included. In that sense I'd say the AlphaProject is a pretty faithful recreation of what used to be, which is also why I am quite fascinated by it. Anyhow, sorry for the long reply, and thank you for the excellent question!
@@DArch706 that’s actually very impressive that they were able to get cache files from players all the way back to the alpha version. Super stocked about this project now, and can’t wait to see more content!
What we did for the monastery was to transfer the spawns room by room from 1.2. We also know which monsters are part of 0.5.3 and we have all kinds of tools to explore game data (old forums, screenshots, old db, wdb files, client db...). I can say this from a reliable source since I am the author of all the modifications to the monastery for version 0.5.3@@Hect0rx
whats that sword?
Teebu's Blazing Longsword :) it's the oldest epic in the game as far as I know
@@DArch706 its much more flamy than on release
Yeah flame effects underwent some changes as a whole it seems like. Also light sources seem to actually light up the environment properly :) they planned a survival profession which would have likely revolved around torches etc. to see better in dark places. Kind of how nightvision was important in Everquest, which WoW was influenced by
@@DArch706 laugh of EQ skeletons still haunt me to this day...
SM, with maybe the exception of graveyard, seems like it was a better design in Alpha, at least from a player perspective. Breaking up the place into four dungeons (yes, I know they shared a lockout/reset) just seemed like a net negative decision. Spreading the level range out whilst having a quest that requires you kill all four bosses was also an odd choice. Just seemed like the classic wow mentality of "let's make a large part of this game traveling on foot" LOL.
Yeah definitely feels like a bit of a weird solution to spread out the level ranges so much. I guess it meant that there was a bit more dungeon-variety while leveling, but it feels kinda lame. Really wonder what made them change it!
this video looks the same way the South Park episode made it look
haha kinda true actually, wtf
Why did they changed Andorhal so much? Back then it looked so cool especially connected to the story of Wc3
It was actually changed sometime during Vanilla Classic's lifecycle as the area was deemed to hard to navigate and a lot of people lost their lives trying to get through it. They opened it up more to make it a bit more player-friendly
@@DArch706 Oh ok that makes sense
In a perfect world Scarlet Monastery would have been a 10 boss raid.
In a perfect world, we get both Scarlet Monastery and Scarlet Citadel - as bosses for the raid take the guys from the statues in Herod's room, for example. I think Turtle WoW has done something similiar actually :) Atleast they do have a Scarlet Citadel raid
@@DArch706 just a huge missed opportunity for blizzard to capitalize on that story line.
@@Rameus Absolutely! It's genuinely a shame ... the Scarlet Crusade was my favorite faction up until WOTLK (when they were killed off super cheaply imo)
textures were better in the alpha version imo, not sure why they were changed.
Yeah agree, you can also see it on interactable stuff like chests for example. They look a lot crisper. If you haven't seen the Ironforge video: the burn effect was way more advanced than what we got. I run into a brazier accidentally in that one at some point haha.
I guess it's due to hardware limitations and making sure as many people as possible could run the game. I remember Molten Core would always crash my PC, there was just no way for me to run it back then, and that's even with the scuffed textures.
Wouldn't this be a wonderful raid in Season of Discovery? I wonder how difficult this would be to do on Blizzard's side..
Actually good question. I'd imagine it's more work than redesigning BFD a little bit, but surely doable. Not sure if it will be a raid though, I'd suspect the level 45 dungeon is gonna be Scarlet Monastery, and I doubt they will put out 2 scarlet raids for SoD.
@@DArch706 Well, if it doesn't come to light (an attached SM all wings raid would be amazing) then at least I find comfort in knowing there's alpha to explore :) thank you for the content and reply.
Thank YOU for the comment and for watching :) I'm hoping to put out a Stonetalon Alpha Exploration before the New Year, so stay tuned for that@@theduskwoodsnuffer2569
Wait
Is this playable for anyone?
Looks liiit
Yeah it is basically playable for anyone, you'd have to check on their discord for how exactly to connect to their server. Currently it's only open for people either working on or otherwise supporting the project, but I'd expect them to make it openly available at some point? Not affiliated with the AlphaProject so I can't speak on what their plans are, that's just my speculation.
You can however always download your own 0.5.3. client and set up your own private server through their github. Link should also be in the AlphaProject discord. I leveled a "hardcore" character a couple months back and made it to level 20 or something iirc, it was very clunky, but as a giga WoW nerd, it was an absolutely surreal experience to play this early version. :D
Edit: Forgot to mention I linked to their discord in the description :)
@@DArch706 Thank you for the answer!
Yesh i joined their disc.
Sounds very interesting for sure
Even tho many things might be off or not working I'd love to play it
man imagine Boosting mages trying this only SM dungeon with 1 pull
That would be so broken :D
old SM its better than the definitive one,
I feel like if they added a bit more of the graveyard, as well as the library part with the Arcanist, it would be soooo good! Somehow having all these guys in the same dungeon just works out so well. Lots of variety as opposed to the focused "mini-dungeons" we got in the game. Armory is basically just 3 different types of melee mobs for 20 minutes, where's the excitement in that?
So sm was too big and had to be split up, but brd was cushty. Got it.
Technically BRD also got split up - at first it was part of Molten Core, or vice versa for that matter 😁 Just imagine the 12h glorious dungeon crawl that would have entailed, haha
@@DArch706Makes sense since u could run 40 man dungeons in early patches
When you started metnioning the survival system that they promised us, it made me start to remember why I had so much beef with WoW fir the first decade. I was really excited for WoW and all of the features they promised us when they were getting us hyped for the game. I was really REALLY upset when I found out I quit much better MMOs for a game I put a lot of time into only to find out 80% of the content they promised us never saw the light of day. The game didn't deliver a single thing I was hoping for and wound up being the worst MMO of all time in my eyes because of it.
Happy they didn't implement this tbh, looks like a much worse dungeon. Fact is that SM is pretty close to perfection today the only thing that needs better looking at imo is maybe making library a bit shorter or less grindy and adding something to SM graveyard or better yet, just combine those 2 dungeons.
Yeah someone else also mentioned that it would be cool to turn SM into either a 2 or 3 dungeon layout, with GY+lib being combined and perhaps even Cath+Armory. For classic standards, both dungeons are kinda shortish, so could be doable. :)
I agree that SM is probably one of the best classic dungeons, so we really can't complain too much about the version we got!
like to video but ur movements give me motion sickness
Quiet your movement.
You keep scrolling your mouse back and forth rapidly and it makes for a bad viewing experience.
Check out the Orgrimmar video, it's already fixed there
They ruined wow's graphics
Kinda yea, but the hardware back then was super limited, and the game was already quite demanding with the stripped down graphics we ended up getting. Only raid I could do on my old PC back in 2005 was ZG, 40 man raids would just crash my game haha
Wtf version is this?
This is the World of Warcraft Alpha Version 0.5.3 :) Check out the orgrimmar video on my channel for more info, at the start of the vid I go into a bit more detail on it
rouges are gay
Couldn't watch for more than a few mins. You spin and jut your camera so much, man. Gave me a headache.
Sorry to hear that! Alpha camera is really annoying to work with, it always resets itself constantly (no setting to change that) and in general the mouse acceleration just feels very very odd. I'll still try to do better next time :)
as always, not the true alpha build, but an attempt at a recreation of it, which is never reflected in the titles of such videos nor in the content itself
How so?
Dense comment
your dwarf is wearing sandals lol
Typical tourist .. ;)
how do i play this and how can i get to lvl 100 etc
There is a link to the AlphaProject itself in the description, everything you need to know as to how to play should be found on the discord. Alternatively you can set up your own Alpha Server which requires a bit of work and won't have any mobs in it, just the geometry itself.
Level 100 is achieved by console commands. If you end up playing on the alpha server you can type .help in chat to figure out all the console commands, or alternatively you can also just google World of Warcraft GM commands. :)
The AlphaProject has one server with GM commands enabled, and one to be played "normally", which allows you to progress up to level 25 (the limit for the 0.5.3 Alpha test).
Why is this video stuttering so bad? Are you running this on a pentium 4?
It's the Alpha Client, camera is very stuttery
@@DArch706 I didn't know it was that unoptimized. I remember the beta but not the alpha
I have a vanilla 1.12 server that has many of the alpha maps, skills, and abilities implemented into the game. Perhaps you'd be interested in checking it out? @digital archaeologist
Sorry for the late reply! I would absolutely be interested in taking a look, thanks for offering :)
Can I contact you on discord maybe?
Yes of course, my tag is "wallcraft_official"@@DArch706
Wall :O