Engine Fogging for Long Term or Winter Storage (Outboard Boat) - Tips from Tom
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2016
- Before storing your boat, car or any engine for an extended period of time its a good idea to prep it in some way. You can consider turning the engine over occasionally or doing something like this. Here are the things I recommend for doing this.
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In this video I go over how to prepare your outboard for long term or winter storage. This is the process for a carbonated outboard engine. It is commonly called Fogging but is sometimes incorrectly called "Pickeling" (This term is usually used for a process used in restoring an engine that has been submerged)
The fogging process is quite simple for an engine like this. This is a carbonated engine and the process may differ for a fuel injected engine. To fog newer fuel injected engines they do make an additive you can put in some fuel and run through the system to do the same as this process.
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I've been a marine mechanic for years..he done a great job! The only thing I would do different is ,I wouldn't have pulled the plugs and sprayed the cylinders.. especially when you spin the engine with the plugs out you didn't have the water running..I know it didn't start but, it doesn't take more than 30 sec to start heating up an impeller..
One more thing ..store your fuel tanks full of gas..then there's no chance of condensation ....other than that good job..
David Jessee add stabil fuel along with a full tank?
Thanks
@@dc5131 yes
I seen a chart that showed worse impeller damage at 1500 rpm for 5 seconds than 600 rpm for 30 seconds. Actually much, much worse.
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Hey..
Thank you for the tips. I'm from Brazil
Ok, I think I've watched a half dozen of these videos trying to figure out how to winterize my outboard. Dude, best video instruction. Straight to the point.
Iv had 5 outboard and always just run em dry/empty that's it
I return to this video annually; you do an excellent job explaining the how and the why. Thanks!
Thanks Mark! I should actually watch my own video each year too! This year I fogged before I ran stabil into the lines... Had to redo it, lol.
So simply said. You are a great teacher. I'm not frightened to do this myself now! Thank you. :)
Awesome video. You just saved me $150 getting it done by the marina.
Great tip for any small engine Tom....snowmobiles especially. Noticed the sign leaning on the tree.....NICE TOUCH!!! lol
Excellent information and very helpful. Thank you for posting this video.
3:44 loss da boot. Every time I use mine it stays on my plug too. Just funny is all. I also like putting no seize on plug threads and dielectric grease in plug boots before storing. And if my motor has a fuel filter up under cowl, empty that as well. GREAT video.
Tom, I just bought a used Yamaha 9.9 two stroke (October) and I live in upstate NY. This is a great video to help me get it winterized. Thanks a bunch.
Thanks for the comment. Glad it helped you out!
25 horse Mercury outboard winterization
Where upstate?
Sorry for your loss.
2 strokes are trash 🚮
Great video! thanks for the info
thanks
Cleanest relic I've ever seen! Good work man!
Awesome hopefully you've returned and it works well....
Good video/process, well done.
Great vid, thanks
Thank you for a great step by step process,,,, You did a much better job than the ads or the channels for the manufacturers of these outboard motors thank you very much now I feel confident I can do this myself
You're welcome! Glad you found the video helpful. We also wrote an article about the process. Sometimes it helps to see it in writing as well. :) www.mortonsonthemove.com/fogging-boat-engine/
Great video, i need to learn all this to save a ton of money from storage at the marina
excellent video...thanks
Thanks Bud!!
Great video bud. Thanks
Many thanks.
Great, don't forget to grease ALL engine fittings and tilt tube ! ! Best to change lower gear oil before storage !
Great engine fogging video! And thank you for using STA-BIL Fogging oil! If anyone has any questions, let us know! We are happy to help.
Thanks for your video
excellent video! on explaining the whole entire winterizing a boat motor!+ Gas tank, best I've Sean!
Thank you so much!
@@MortonsontheMove I have a 2019 Yamaha AR210 jet boat got it out storage and one of the motors is running 5rpm and the other is 7rpm, we can go 50 plus mph and now we can can 38-40mph anyone kno why
Great video, well explained!
Thank you!
very nice
great video
Great video! Nice motor you have there!
Thanks, It has been a reliable engine!
I own a merc I’m all g and I also live in Australia so I use it every weekend but good vid
In the beginning, did you let run a fuel gallon completed
good info man
Cool , I just bought a 95 Whaler with a Yamaha pro 50 2 stroke. It will be stored for about 5 months in my garage.
👍thanks for the video,
Good to know. Many thanx!
Decent job... Definitely just sprayed the top of the pistons. Move the nozzle all over the place to ACTUALLY coat the cylinders
Good video, very informative and easy to follow.
Thanks!
@@MortonsontheMove Greetings from Argentina........Is that spray that you put directly on the carburettors wd40 style? Thank you
can I use fogging fluid on a PWC? I believe mine is fuel injected.
I did all the things you said two years ago on my 40hp motor on my pontoon boat and the next year it would not start, it clogged up the carburetors and I liked to never got it running again. I don’t know if I put too much fogging oil in it or what. Any suggestions?
So for a four store four wheeler that was fogged how long does it take for the smoke to go away ?
Some of theas electrical systems if u crank the engine with out the plug wires hooked up or grounded or on a spark checker u will be spending hundreds on. Trigers coils or what ever don't matter on a magneto ign system and y leave gas in the fuel bowls that's what plugs the jets stsbil is for gas in fuel tanks not in carb
At the beginning of the season do you just start it up and go or do you have to run it with the plugs off to get some of that oil off?
cyrusdavirus007 you can just start it up. It will smoke white like you saw in the video until it's all burned off, then your good to go!
so it seems you leave the lower unit gear oil in when you store it, do you also change the engine oil and filter and store it like that as well? What do you recommend if it's going to be stored for about 6 months, do you drain all oil and store it dry? Thanks, good video :)
Hi. Here in Brazil a lot of people usually store their gas tank empty.
4:01 why did you removing spark plugs when engine is hot?
We will see next spring how well this does...
it looks like those sparkplug holes have thread inserts.
I change my O/B's gear oil and motor oil too.
Well done mint.....
After applying the fogging oil, do you screw in the spark plugs as tight as usual or leave them a bit loose? I have read in some places they say to leave them kinda loose. Thanks
Hello Everyone screw them back in tight..that way when you go back to start it there already tight..but as much fogger he sprayed in to the cylinders . The plugs are probably oil fouled anyways..going to have to clean the plugs upon starting back motor..
Good job :) Only thing I'd do though. Is drain those carbs on it. . I myself always unhooked the gas. Ran it until the carbs are completely empty, Even choking it to make sure while fogging it. An empty fuel system is a clean one And you'll have no issues next spring :) No plugged jets etc from old gas ;)
I live where it can get -20 degrees below zero for couple months at a time. What about the water that circulates around the cylinders and impeller? How to treat this so there’s no water inside engine?
The engines are designed so that it will drain and leave only small amounts that wont cause damage, just leave it upright for a while to drain properly.
Here I am watching this and I don't even have a boat.
TK BUILT same haha
same but when we do we'll know this shit lol
Question so i did this for my Raider Out Board and now my engine doesnt start why? how long until i start my engine back up again? and is there anything i have to do?
It takes alot more turning over to burn off the wax, need to make sure the carbs have clean fuel too. It should ignight just fine, but will run rough and smoke for a while otherwise.
I used to use sea foam bout they always blew the vacuum valve after a couple months
Two questions. Does the fogging coat the spark plugs where they need to be replaced. If your looking for water in the outdrive, wouldn’t the water settle at the top and not the bottom?
You wont need to replace the plugs, it will burn off. No the water is heavier than the oil and will settle to the bottom.
DEFINE LONG TERM ? now until next june considerd long term ?
probably a gas oil (kerosene) cleaner was used. what is your idea ?
Dont spray too much in the cilinders or start the first time witout the sparkplugs, because of Hydrolock...
iam trying to winterize 2 outboard mercury 150 clx 2 stroke engines but it has 100 gallons of dirty gas.do i have to drain all the gas than putt new gas?
What do you mean by dirty gas? It really depends on the problem but if its old and not running well then probably. Stabilizers can only do so much. Its best to only leave a little gas in the tank anyway.
You should always leave as much gas as possible in the tank along with the stabilizer, since there will be no air left in the container that can turn in to water, just pure gas if filled to the top. :)
So... Here I am in October 2019. Did it ever fired up again? Any video?
It was fired up 2 years later and ran perfect, winterized again the same way! :)
The 2 holes on the back is it normal for smoke to come out of it
Yes
After fogging I disconnect the gas and use that gas for my snowblower. New gas in the spring.
When fogging motor do I leave water running thru motor.??
Only when it's running.
A lot of people don't realize it, but storing a boat in a green house type enclosure helps protect the boat better than storing in under an overhang. The greenhouse will keep the boat warmer in winter months often preventing freezing damage due to water in areas it isn't' supposed to be.
its all about changes in humidity. obviously freezing is bad because of expansion and contraction, but much worse is humidity. Ie. Florida is much worse for an engine than say Maine as its almost always humid salty air.
Yeah lemme pull my boat into my spare greenhouse 😂 kidding 😉
Wouldn't the water be sitting at the top of the lower unit??
Ps do your selves a fave and drain your carbs of all gas saves a carb cleaning. And another note just change your lower unit lube with some HPFPRO so your lower unit doesn't have a chance to crack.
would it work on a little one hire power outboard?
You can fog any size outboard. Even if it is a big 4 stroke EFI engine you should still fog it before long term storage.
Mortons on the Move awesome thanks!
great vid very good info ...i would grease the spark plug treads,,,but the fuel is useless after two years..its says 12 months on my bottle of stabil.
Hmm weird, mine says 24 months... Great idea about the spark plug threads. dont want em seizing.
If you can find it , use graphite grease or carbon grease- an just a small swipe, on the plug threads. Those greases are conductive and so wont hurt the plugs ground . Normal grease is not conductive. I also spray the outside of the engine in water dispersant spray , wipe down and then use a hand sprayed silicon wax ( one for car paint) on the outside of the engine. That keeps the engine looking new by keeping the bolts and fixtures from corroding. Also the engine leg goes onto a support stand once the boat is parked - a couple of milk crates or a small stack of lumbar pieces - it helps relieve the transom of the motor weight and means you can move the motor up and down if the tilt tube grease congeals in storage. That makes it easier to break the tilt system free when the boat comes out of storage.
Jason Taylor i
The number on your boat starts with MC, where is that?
SupaNami
Michigan
Tip #1 don't lose the straw off the can when spraying into the cylinders!!! It's best to hold onto it while you're spraying
Ahh, good call!
Been there done that. Great tip!
Ah, I once dropped the fuel stick into my airplane tank right before a flight, took half an hour and a mechanics flexi-grabber thing to get it out. (The fuel stick is a clear tube with gallon marks calibrated for your specific tank, more accurate than fuel gauges.)
Should you pull the spark plugs out on two stroke?
Leave em in once fogged.
Mortons on the Move thanks.
In colder climates, why would you leave water inside the area between the engine block and lower unit. I would think that area would freeze too.
It depends on your engine and the drain instructions. A little water is ok as long as it is not filling a cavity.
@@MortonsontheMove It gets REAL cold here in Kentucky, so, I run anti-freeze throughout the block. I prefer knowing its safe.
An outboard drains pretty well entirely once you shut it off and tilt it down. Inboards are the engines that have to have various valve drains opened, or filled with RV antifreeze.
Nice!
Where do you live btw?
engine price
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Tom, you said 2 things that conflict: "High Octane, Low Ethanol Gasoline". That's wrong but a VERY common mistake.
Forumla 1 Race Engines use extremely high compression.Their engines have changed over the years (6 cylinder, then 4), usually because engineers want to try something new (there have even been recent Electric Formula 1 Races).
Were it not for High Octane Fuel (100 or more), the Formula 1 Internal Combustion Engine would fire early due to the increased pressure in the cylinders. To compensate, High Octane Gasoline is used and, it's baclwards. The octane number increases as the ethanol increases because ethanol is less violatile than gasoline. Using pure gas in Formula 1 would cause detonation, a.k.a. knock or ping.
Many vehicles are very powerful yet have small engines due to the lessons learned in Formula 1. Because Honda, for instance, can get power from a 4 cylinder engine that was unheard of just 40 years ago, higher octane fuel became necessary for you and for me. Honda learned a lot from Formula 1, even won often. Detroit should have been watching sooner. Me? I think that once the government stop stocking lakes and streams with fish, people are going to notice that there's a problem and maybe just maybe, admit that man is the cause.
Your education in the subject is severely underdeveloped. The chemistry is just not that simple, a fine thread of truth is hidden in your statement but the whole of the statement is so grotesquely oversimplified and inaccurate that I must say you have no business giving any advice to anyone about fuel chemistry at any level. You can make 115octane and higher pure hydrocarbon fuels by using different blends of alkanes alkenes(both branched and linear), cycloalkenes and aromatics.
In the USA fuel was much higher quality in 1970 than it is today and contained no alcohol, many regular street cars with the performance engine option had 11:1 or higher compression ratios and that was without the aid of special computer designed combustion chambers and antiknock sensors to retard timing.
Specific blends of alcohol and gasoline(like 5 to 10% ethanol) can have some efficiency benefits for certain specific situations, while other blend ratios are rather undesirable for most uses. All alcohol-petroleum blends are very bad for storage.
Over the years formula 1 has used many different fuels depending of the changes in racing rules that benefited one fuel or another, they were using pure methanol for several years.
In drag racing they use pure methanol(not ethanol), pure nitro-methane, or gasoline depending on the category; some categories allow a choice of nitro-methane with no supercharging or gasoline with supercharging.
For aviation gasoline adding a small percent alcohol (to prevent water crystals in freezing temperatures) will actually lower the anti-knock rating of 100/130 rated fuel by about 2 points while it will slightly raise the rating for 80/87. (These are aviation anti-knock performance test results, not exactly correlated with automobile octane rating but both measure anti-knock performance.)
Hold on to the straw when spraying directly into the cylinders. Some folks have had the straw come off and go flying into the cylinder.
John Wish I’d seen your comment a few weeks ago. Fortunately able to fish the straw out of the cylinder with one of those telescoping finger tools....
What about the water in the engine when temperature falls sub zero? This could crack the cylinder heads. Don´t you need to rinse the engine with coolant antifreeze instead of water to make sure that no water stays in the motor-block. I'm looking forward to your comment. best regards from Germany!
It depend on the engine, A larger 4 stroke with an intercooler you may have to do that if there is no proper drain. For outboards they are designed to drain in the vertical position. There may be some left but should not be filled in any cavities, so no pressure when freezing. Also turning it over a few times without starting it will run the pump dry and you should be good to go. I have never used antifreeze and never had a problem, just remember to check the lower unit for water.
Buy a evinrude etec engine does it for you and u can buy Xd100 oil for 100 to 1 mix computer controlled it can be change to 50 to 1 I have 08 300 etec I run mine tc w3 setting that way always has extra oil in it jt
i deal with salt water boats and what i do is run the carbs on my good gas then i run them empty, then i fog the cylinders
Don’t forget to drain the carburetors if it’s not fuel injected.
There is two schools of though on that. Personally I never leave them dry. I would rather them be full of fuel then open to air and elements. I have never had a prob. Use ethanol free . as you always should anyways
Wrong!! That's why he put in ethanol free fuel and stabil
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Can.I use WD 40 ?working the same?
The fogging oil will work better as it dries thick with the wax, but can be hard to start. A thin oil like wd40 would be better than nothing tho, should start easier too.
I’m not sure if cracking your lower unit is really, really, bad. I would just say really really expensive
Just like was said on previous comments, fogging isnt necessary unless its going to sleep for longer than a year or 2. As an experiment, i left the cylinder head off an old 40 horse johnson (for parts had a scored cylinder) all winter in thick salt air. no fogging oil coating. next spring: not a hint of rust anywhere on the pistons or cylinders, and that was with the head OFF. For my 225 johnson, i put a mix of fresh 89 gas, 40:1 royal purple synthetic , and stabil. ran it for 10 minutes and im done. i think that fogging oil is actually bad for plug fouling, carbon buildup and possible detonation.
What about a motor that’s still in the crate. Brand new 1996 Johnson never been started. Should I fog it before starting it?
@@goch907 absolutely! what HP is it?Fogging oil from the factory (they used a slightly thicker special type) will not keep cylinders lubed forever.
@@ct1762 it’s a 80 jet drive.
does the water pee out even when the engine is not on?
I would never store a motor long-term with gas in the carbs. Drain them dry to prevent gummy residue from building up. Also, what's the use of filling gas tanks only to leave the gas to deteriorate over time? Drain the tanks (and hoses) dry. Also, get rid of as much water in the cooling system as you can (this is especially important in salt water motors) by first running fresh water through the motor for a few minutes and then using compressed air to clear the system of water. Dry motor, empty carbs. Done.
so would,nt you still have water inside your engine cooling ports,non toxic anti-freeze fed through a hose to your water muffs and through out the engine should make it good to go for cold weather. fogging is just one step just saying
By turning the engine over without running it (like in the video when we spray in the cylinders directly) this will run the pump dry and pump out any water. There may be a little moisture but if the engine is down they are designed to drain without any large amounts that could freeze and cause pressure buildup so it shoulden't be a problem. Just make sure to do that last step and turn the engine over a few times without fuel to get it out of the pump.
one comment I would make it I would not spray that pressurizing cold ( because of the com,pressed gas) into the cylinder walls. that'
s how you crack your engine. wait for it to cool down
Great video, Tom
One question, when you fog the cylinder of the engine, just unplug the 3 spark plugs, and turn the key?
Thanks
You need to remove the spark plugs so you can spray the fluid directly into the cylinders but yes, just turn the key. The engine is just a big air pump and with the spark plugs out it will just move the cylinders back and forth with no compression and coat the cylinder walls.
Thank you for your reply, Tom
I haven't done this before, just want to make sure I did it right. Do you need to unplug the fuel?
When I fog the cylinder? Anything else that I should pay attention? (Mine is Yamaha 2 stroke, outboard engine)
Thanks again
As long as your have stabilizer in the gas and engine it doesn't really matter whether you leave it connected or not. I disconnect mine as I don't store the gas in the boat.
Nothing else really, just the lower unit like in the video. If there are any exposed metal parts (like throttle linkages) It is sometimes good to spray them with a light oil to prevent corrosion.
Ya know I thought of another thing that I should have mentioned. Its a really good idea to lubricate your steering cable if your engine is connected to a steering wheel. There should be a grease zerk where the engine connects to the cable.
Thank you for your reply, Tom
I did fogging and change the gear oil yesterday, the boat is wrap up, ready for the winter, For lubricating the steering cable, I have to do it next year, Also,my wheel is off center already, I have to figure out how to fix it, and do it next year.
Thanks again
You should have checked the lower unit oil plug for any metal fragments trust me I know what in taking about I work on boats for a living
I'm about to winterize my 89 Merc 2 stroke 15hp. Besides what he showed, how do I check for metal and is there anything else i need to do? Never owned a boat before.
@@Dean403 if you change the lower unit oil i would check the drain plug and see if there is any metal fragments on it. You don't have to change the lower unit oil. But if you do check your plug. That video is a good video to use just follow that video and you'll be good 👍
Good fuckin video Tom. Thumbs up
I wonder if he’s taken it out of storage yet
Cant beat a yamaha!
Wouldn't it be better to just dissconect the fuel line, cover the connector to the outboard, and reconnected the fuel line with fresh fuel to start the season
Yes.
Do you have any evidence that it is a wax based product or is this a guess stated as fact? The problem with water in any machinery oil is not freeze cracking, it is formation of corrosive byproducts that greatly increase mechanical wear rates.
Y am I watching this ..i fish year round
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It's hard to fish year-round when the water is froze. With a boat.
@@eddiebunch5133 thats why you live in florida
its better, cheaper and safer to use 2-stroke oil when coating the cylinders. here in the uk we do things the old fashioned way. we don't buy in to company lies and so called life extenders products, because we know its all just to get you to buy buy buy.
Two stroke oil, like regular engine oil, drains away during long storage. These sprays are tacky(the few brands have tried) and do not drain away.
Stabil is only good for a year , better off just to fill the tank with ethanol free gas for longer than year storage
You didn’t ground your plug leads when winding the motor over after spraying the oil through the plug holes.....you risk major damage to your ecu if you don’t ground out the lead’s mate.
20 years, same motor, never fogged it
We dont fog unless it will sit for a few years.
What do you do for winter storage? Don't want to mess it up in Alberta winter.
@@MortonsontheMove I use mine from March till October, does not sit much
@@Dean403 Back yard on the trailer, double tarped
@@obageegee you don't winterize the motor?