electronicsNmore you gave a theory of how you think in fan actually worksput the device you suspected is inside the original inside yours and see if it worksotherwise your theory remains a theory
electronicsNmore you aren't willing to insert the device you mentioned in the fan? you haven't proven this is a scam then you only presented a theory about how it works
electronicsNmore I have experimented with neo magnets and felt there is potential to create very useful mechanisms. For instance contact free transfer. I have a video posted way back where I constructed a basic contact free energy transfer demonstration. Based off the design of A/C generators and motors I would like to further research ideas for the potential to create a system that could create free energy from strong magnets. I feel there is likely a way to do this. Currently we use magnets to create electricity from an external power source. If further research is done I believe we can utilize magnet fields to do this with no drive source.
This is really a very simple situation. NOTHING like this can EVER work no matter how you arrange things. This is just a fact. Lots of people try this sort of thing but it never works, it can't. Any video showing something like this working is a fake. RUclips needs more people like yourself who tell the truth. You're doing a good job. Well done and thank you.
I'm nearing the completion of my Electrical Engineering degree, and it's frustrating to me when I come across people who think I'm part of the anti-free energy conspiracy. Thanks for putting out these videos, it's nice to see someone who has the patience to respectfully approach the situation and put together these devices to show how they (don't) work.
Thanks For Watching. I'm very open minded to ideas/new things, but some things just don't work. Lets be realistic, if this really worked, the person would be patenting the idea, and making millions. People are way too trusting of many RUclips videos. If this does work, then I expect someone to come forward with all the design specifics so it can easily be duplicated by others. Good luck with that.
Emmanuel Delahaye energy can not be destroyed or created only converted this is the law of the conservation of energy so the "free" would mean creation of erergy without an input source
@Rahat Ibn Nabi Based on the testing I have done, which is more extensive than what is shown in this video, I can say you WILL NOT get a single magnet to push a case fan into smooth spinning operation. Not going to happen. If you doubt it, then try it! Very simple to prove to yourself.
Pablo Garcia Don't waste my time. Either PROVE this works by making a video and testing it out for yourself, or stop carrying on. I'm seriously considering creating a new channel just for making free energy scam videos since so many people believe in them.
Pablo Garcia More like how gullible. Find me one computer case fan that you can buy online that spins freely using one magnet as shown in this video, or multiple magnets(NO WIND), and produces endless power. LOL. Please do so and post the link here for all the viewers to see. Clearly people would be duplicating this device like crazy and making lots of money selling them online. Show us. I would like to buy one. The Chinese would have already duplicated and mass produced this device for sale.
Pablo Garcia Also, you can see many different people who can saw a woman in half and put her back together. You can clearly see that she is in two pieces, so it must be real. I tried it and killed the woman next door. Maybe I should try it with a sharper saw.
Pablo Garcia Bloggers have credibility?? That's a new one. Pablo, yes, magnets repel when their like poles face one another. But they repel in BOTH directions. The next magnet on the circle can't get into proper position because it gets pushed backwards. The fan is being forced to turn in two directions at the same time. The net result is it doesn't move at all. Perhaps you should do what thousands before you have done. Try it yourself.
***** The cogging effect is very hard to overcome. Is it possible? Anything is possible, but highly unlikely as the uploader showed. Remember, the individual stated that all he did was glue magnets to each fan blade then use another magnet to push it into smooth operation. Based on that, it is not going to happen.
Unfortunately, I do not believe this type of free energy device will ever work; not even with monopoles. The problem is that for every south pole this is an opposite and equal north pole, or the south pole has to be brought closer to the stationary magnet before it can repel away. Cogging should not be a big deal with enough rotational inertia. If you draw out the field lines for all the magnets, you will see a few that will counteract the desired force. Every design I have found thus far has that problem.
Thank you for showing that this is bogus. My son saw one of the fake videos and has tried and tried to make it work for his science fair project. It wouldn't work, he got the same results as you. I was able to show him your video and let him know it was not his fault. Unfortunately he spent a week and a half of his time trying to get it to work before I stepped in, and now he is disappointed with what he has to turn in at school. It is truly sad what people will do to get a few views online.
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I wish more viewers were smart enough to try this themselves before posting comments on my video how I did certain things incorrectly, or rating it a thumbs down. Thanks For Watching!
electronicsNmore I find this concept very interesting. Noticing with these fans that there is magnetic resistance within the motor itself while static, attributing more resistance to the cogging effect. I was able to get a disc that was levitating on a 52gauss neodymium field held with a brass tube in the center to spin with this fan concept since there was no interference from the fan motor... Though, of course there is no way to then generate or harness the energy and utilize it. but still interesting to watch static objects create motion.
john sims cogging can be a problem in a device like this but there are ways to solve cogging problems it's not an automatic death knell so if this is fake is John Christies magnetic motor also fake? google it
this is in no way close to a magnetic motor. This fan has a battery in it with a switch that is connected when magnetized. Use your brain not your eyes.
Finally a video who shows this device in a objective way, I really needed this video for my students because they insist endlessly that this device can work, that the physics laws are wrong, that we are brainwashed etc. I have tried several Free energy scams before for my students, none works ofc. I was so tired to find so many fakes all over the internet, Thank you for posting this video, you saved me time and money.
It's because your disc magnets are axially magnetized. Try disc magnets that are magnetized diametrically through thickness. Thanks for sharing this, and your diagrams on how your poles are placed. That was a huge help!
Yes you are right, I got the terms switched huh? Good catch, but the diagram I believe is the incorrect magnet type? Not saying it'll work when switched but I'm gonna try it. Got them in the mail already.
*****wenn ich jetzt ein paar radial magnetisierte magnete nehme funktioniert das dann genauso wie wenn ich einen langen runden radial magneten nehme? (hurricane balls meine ich bzw searl)
I'm surprised that a smart man such as yourself would even have to try this to know it cannot work, lets say this is to show other people that it will not work to save them the frustration of failure. It looks like it should work but really can't, ever work. Keep up the good work on your other videos.
Lets just say that I more or less figured it would not work. but I wanted to put the video out there to inform others and save them the time/trouble of trying it out themselves.
dose a fan like that even make any power when you spin it i know its a motor but these fans have control circuitry that could stop any power form going back out of the fan
Many of those case fans do not produce any power when you spin them, but I have come across a few that did produce power when you spin them. Thanks For Watching!
These videos are great. I thought of a similar design, which wouldn't work of course, but I wasn't sure exactly why. Thanks for explaining and debunking these.
You need to add a soda straw to your setup. Blow through the straw, aimed at the fan, as you bring the magnet close. It will spin! :) (BTW: It spins best if the outer magnet isn't a magnet at all...)
Seriously, every single one of you who thinks this guy is wrong, have you EVER been to school and how the fuck did you pass physics? Dude, I really think you're dealing with some kids here who lack basic knowledge on how the world works.
In a few days I will be uploading a very good video showing how the hoax was and could have been pulled off. All the thumbs down people will look stupid. Many videos on RUclips showing "Free Energy" devices are nothing more than illusions and trickery. Thanks For Watching!
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Thank you . I watched the fake video first with my son and daughter, and then happened to see yours. I am grateful you took the time to post this, as we were pretty impressed with the fakers work. As disappointed as we were, and as much as we didn't want yours to be convincing, we really are thankful for learning more about magnetic forces, but also how to apply a little common sense and critical thinking when listening and viewing research. Kindest regards and with respect, jm
Thanks For Watching JM. Common sense can go a long way. If motors did not require electricity to power them, then you would see these magnet motors being made and sold by people just like me. Even if others tried to suppress the idea, the device would still be leaked and sold online to you and I. Be sure to rate Thumbs Up, and share.
HAHA ! I love these videos ! Not the set-up itself, any reasonably competent school kid could make it, but reading all the comments, divided between “This can’t work - it’s scientifically impossible!” and “It DOES work! I have tried it!”. They are lying of course. If anyone is wondering WHY it doesn’t work, you don’t need to go into conservation of energy or that the magnets are ‘storing’ energy (they don’t). It’s just that you can’t make a motor out of just fixed permanent magnets - no matter how you arrange them, the thing will simply not turn. True, the magnet in your hand is pushing one magnet on the fan ‘forwards’, but it is also pushing the magnet behind it ‘backwards’ and the fan will just move into a position where those forces are equal and the thing never goes any further…
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The guy who made the free energy video you mention is using a light bulb from a magic store. It is the same type light bulb used by Uncle Fester in the Adams family TV show/movies. It has batteries in the base, and the base is plastic and fake looking. (It's made to stick in your mouth after all.) The on switch is on the base, where he touches the wire. His fan is most likely moving due to a blast of air directed at the fan.
what if u used the same idea but put a horizontal axis on a vertical wheel with multiple magnets facing the same way, place the wheel over the fan, and set it spinning, just an educated guess as to what would overcome the "cogging" effect... both the fan and the wheel could potentially spin indefinately... OR use monopole magnets on the fan blades so the opposite magnetic fields are not affected, i dont have the cash right now for the experiment but i will definately try it out... also is it possible even for this fan to produce electricity instead of acting as a load... you might try setting it spinning with a dremel tool with a load attatched to the wires from the fan, i really appreciate what you are doing here :)
Since all magnets would be moving, the odds of getting the fan to spin would be much higher, but you will likely experience problems maintaining a smooth spinning fan.
Set it up so the fan also turns a little crank attached to a rod with lobes on it like a cam shaft. This will avoid cogging and will simulate turning a magnet on and off
i dont know much about magnetic fields but could you try having the magnets on the fan facing south. then, have another fan facing magnetic north and place them next to each other, that way the magnets keep landing within the same levels? just play around with the fields lol
Hi, I'm just trying to put this thing to work myself, the only BIG problem in all this magnetic stuff is actually the magnetic field itself... in other words: Unless the field lines of every magnet in the cogging zone are parallel (sure they aren't at all) this will NOT work. The diverging lines at both sides of magnets will always cause to the fan blades to "oscillate" around an ideal point where soon they will stabilize, that means also that when you try to get past of that point, the small magnets glued on the blades will be attracted back to that point, no matter how you put the big magnet on them, it will be always the same, the closer it is, the stronger the effect, you can actually feel it while trying to keep it steady over the fan when you give it a spin, it seems like a "vibration". In my opinion, it's just impossible. Have a nice day
Hey Deimos. Glad you tried this out, I wish others would do the same before posting stupid comments on my video, or rating it a thumbs down. If this did work, it would be great because I could really put a device like this to work! Unfortunately this will never work as shown in the original uploaded video. Thanks For Watching!
I can Conclude that it is fake. I cannot help but notice, how the fan is kind of jiggling when it spins. Its not spinning very fluently/balance. What I can say though is that the fan is indeed genuinely spinning using the magnets stuck to the fan blade reacting to the magnet he is holding. But why does the fan jiggle? I believe that he dismantled the fan and took out what was inside of the middle of it (the PCB, wiring, etc. This then will allow the fan to spin easily using the magnets because of less friction.) And then : With the amount of space he created after cleaning out what was inside the middle of the fan (that large circular in the middle of the fan that usually houses the electronics that causes the fan to spin if connected to power). The amount of space is then FILLED with "circular Batteries", enough batteries to power the LED Bulb he is using. The Circular Batteries are basically housed inside the middle of the fan and those batteries are connected to the red and black wires. So that when he connects the bulb to the wires it lights up. Basically even if he doesnt do that magnet spinning fan Gimmick, by Simply connecting the black and red wires to the bulb it will still light up even without having to spin the fans. Because the red and black wire is actually hook up to the circular battery housed inside the middle of the fan. In the video 1> He saids if he stops spinning the fan using magnets, the bulb don't light up... Why? Thats because he also pulls out the Black Wire as soon as he stops spinning the Fan using the Magnet. ^But actually even if he doesn't make the fan spin using the magnet, the bulb will stay light up because it is actually powered by circular batteries found in the middle of the fan. Those batteries are then connected to the red and black wire he is using which are originally connected to the original fan electronics. 2> He tested the Bulb and it lit up using a Double AA battery. Okay thats legit. But He didn't test the fan if it works if he plugs it on a PC Power supply. ^Thats because he gutted out the middle electronics of the fan and replaced the electronics with circular batteries. so even if he connected the fan into a Power Supply Molex power connector, it Won't spin.
electronicsNmore ah ye my bad, wanted to make sure we were on the same page and that you are referring to that particular video. But I am pretty sure thats how he did it. Its just the fact that he tested the bulb works with a power source i.e. the battery but he didn't test if the fans work if connected to a Power supply. then when he showed how the bulb starts when he spins the fans and it stops when he doesn't let the fan spins. it wasn't about the fan spinning that makes the bulb light up at all. But it was because of him pulling out the black wire supplying the power. I am pretty sure even if he keeps the fan not spinning, the bulb will still light up just by connecting the black and red wire to the bulb. I have seen quite alot of 120mm PC case fan "free energy" videos, and I can see most of them utilizes the same gimmick using low power LED bulb and circular batteries placed in the middle of the fan/hub.
I noticed that in the faker's video the claimant always keeps the stationary magnet part way out of the view of the camera. The magnet also appears to have a small hole drilled in it. There is probably an air pump located outside the camera's view and a hose going to the unseen side of the stationary magnet (which may not be a magnet at all). This blows a jet of air toward the fan causing it to spin. The motor inside the fan then acts like a generator to light the bulb. The outside power source is whatever is running the air pump.
You put the poles wrong. It should be n-n-s-n-s-n-s. start rotating at the double n magnet. Use low energy magnets on the blades. Then it works. Please make a new video to inform the people.
I agree with you 100%.. its pretty obvious that it is not possible to get a blade spinning in both directions at once.. If you have a S magnet followed by another S magnet attached and you put another S magnet between them you are going to get the magnets repelling in different directions.. In order for a blade to spin you would need a S to be pushed on the blade followed by a N on another blade to pull it towards the stationary magnet.. Problem is that the S magnet following that N magnet will once again want to repel in the opposite direction while the N magnet tries to become stationary.. Either way you are only going to achieve some minor rocking, eventually finding the blade achieving a lock point.. Common sense says that this video is correct. How anyone could argue the opposite is beyond me..
you need MONO pole magnets on the fan, or you need a cct to swap feilds at the right time, or something that "spins a interference feild at the right time... thats the tricky part. try this and see what i mean, .. spin your interference magnet with your hand but on an axis near or in the "sweet spot" you have to find it, but not hard.. you will get a few actual spins to prove concept..... but not a working motor .. yet.
The chance of this working isn't slim, or next to nil. It's nil. It's vaguely interesting that you tried this over and over, but it's like trying to prove that socks don't fly. You don't need to throw socks up in the air over and over to show that no matter what you do, they just won't fly. Permanent magnets are seductive because they seem to make a free force. But it's the same as gravity - there's a force there, but as soon as you exhaust the potential energy, you have to restore the potential, to make it work again. The magnets that are driven away from the stationary magnet going one way, are attracted to it after they circle around. Consider: if you decided to call it an attraction motor instead of a repulsion motor, you wouldn't need to reconfigure it because it's attracting and repelling at the same time. The motor works conceptually by neglecting one side of the system. And of course, people will try this same thing with gravity. If only you could get the potential out of the wheel on one side, without having to restore it, on the other side. For some reason, it's a little more obviously impossible with gravity, but the nature of the devices and the reasons why they won't work are identical. You're not 'making energy' you're using potential, or stored energy. A hydroelectric dam makes 'free energy' this way, but something has to truck all that water back up to the reservoir. The magnets can 'fall' together and make energy. But then that same amount of energy is required to pull them apart and restore them to their original distances, or potentials. There's never "just enough left over to make free energy out of a conceptual error".
The problem doesn't have a damned thing to do with what size magnets go on the blades or the pushing magnet, blah blah blah, as long as you can get a big external magnet to push the blade magnets then that part is fine. THE PROBLEM is the fan that is being used! Almost all modern cheap fan motors like that aren't capable of making electricity. You have to find an older model fan THAT HAS MAGNETS INSIDE of the case that is part of the original design. There is NOTHING fancy or magical here, the principal is the same as a wind generator. Go look at how a wind generator is made and you will see both wire coils and magnets, the wind turns the blades passing the magnets and coils over each other to make electricity. The ONLY thing different here, as long as you have a fan with magnets and there isn't any blocking diodes or crap like that inside that needs removed, is that you are using the glued on magnets and a big external magnet to REPLACE THE WIND to spin the fan. If you can't hold the little fan up to a big fan and have the little one making electricity (checked with a volt meter) then putting magnets on the blades isn't going to do a damned thing!! Soooo... You need a fan with internal magnets and it can't have circuitry that is blocking current flow from your test meter. Pretty damned simple.
What does your comment have to do with the video being a scam? Which it is? Your correct that some case fans can produce a voltage when placed in the the wind to allow the blades to spin, but many others do not as a result of the internal circuitry. The purpose of this video was to show that you will not have a free spinning case fan using only magnets. If you doubt this, then I suggest you purchase a case fan and magnets. I assure you that you will be HIGHLY disappointed with the results. Thanks For Watching.
Absolutely not. That is not the purpose of this video. The purpose of this video was to demonstrate that the device WILL NOT work exactly as shown in the other video. It is not my job to "TRY" and get this to work. If you believe in these types of videos, then it is your job to spend money, and time trying to make this work. I have much more important things to do with my time and money. Thanks For Watching.
Well, you said you'd like to see it work, I just thought it might be a way it might could work. I won't have any spending money probably until Jan, so I thought I'd ask your thoughts.
Of course I would love to see a device that has the ability to create "Free Energy" work, but in reality it won't happen. You don't create electricity from nothing.
yea, no one is meant to be able to 'create' free energy are they? i thought it was meant to be converting, one form to another, heat into electricity, friction into etc... the idea being you dont create it, you just manipulate your space around you to modify the flow of energy all around you... the specifics being the specifics of the method, electric engine, wind turbine, atom splitting etc... I am going to go somewhere tomorrow where i might be able to dig up what i need to try this out and get the experience i mentioned earlier, after reading a few of your comments thats become obvious, i cant open my mouth anymore with out trying myself so thanks for the thought provoking material and the crash course in my favorite subject... "Things i Don't Know!"
the outer magnets would need to spin to continuously attract the magnets attached to the fan blades, but they would only spin until friction slows them to stopping, it's a very tricky near impossible task to make the motor work without applying power to the system, which would make it pointless. but it is still worth exploring different options.
Clearly you have not read all my other comments here. The video is a FAKE. If you would like, waste your time, and your money, then post a video. Thanks For Watching
Don't waste my time with your multiple posts nonsense. I try very hard not to block trolls, so you are getting VERY close. If you believe in this SCAM, post your video with ALL information so others can duplicate it. Enough of the posts.
Even if this does work (not saying it doesn't) it is not perpetual motion for 2 reasons 1. magnets do lose their magnetic ability 2. It is technically not perpetual motion because perpetual motion is motion not affected by force of any kind Perpetual motion is impossible no matter how you look at it if you find soothing that is perpetual than pls let me know because it is not possible. they say I you throw a ball in space it goes for ever so if you spin something in space it would go forever. FALSE because it would eventually stop because of dark matter even dark matter has friction it may take a million or so years but it will eventually stop true perpetual motion means an action that is repetitive over and over again for ever as long as no outside force acts upon it the closest thing to perpetual motion we have is an electrical circuit so think about it even the universe will lose its energy may be way past any persons lifetime that will ever read this comment but it will end it is not something I hate to think about but it will happen.
What if you use dipole magnets glued on the fan and again two monoploar magnets (on a non symmetric position towards the centre point, to go pass the cogging point) to make it spin?
All except you only have 1/2 the puzzle. You are missing the 4 magnets in the corners. 1 of those 4 is different. Sure it doesn't make a difference, it will never work, but at least you will be replicating it correctly next time.
Looking at the video in question, He went small dot magnets. The ones you used were high power. Try minimum magnets on the fan blades. I will be watching for that.
+Bob Anderson Hello. You watched the wrong video. The magnets were not dots. The device is a scam, you need to accept that fact. Even better, watch Part 2. All questions will come to an end. Thanks For Watching
Try alternating the poles of the magnets that are on the blade. For example, make a pattern: north, south, north, south. The magnet will attract to one of the magnets of the same poles but will also be repelled at the same time.
thank you for saving me $thousands of dollars. I have always thought about this and wanted to build a prototype on a larger scale. I have a drawing I would like to send you to see what you think. .....thanks again .
Sorry for asking a question you have surely answered many times, probably. I could not find it though. So, have you found that any of these free energy magnet videos actually work.? Are they all (these magnet videos) just a scam?
I don't say that things will work, but what he doing on this video it will never work, because he didn't put north to north. And what he try to do by this video? To kill some interest of people? Ball sh...
Absolutely right! Impossible to make the fan spin with a magnet in a fixed position at the side. You can only make it spin, by circular movement of your hand holdin a magnet.
A fixed magnet will not get a case fan to instantly spin into smooth operation as shown in the scam videos. Never going to happen. What will work, are movable magnets to push the fan into motion. Thanks For Watching! Please be sure to share my channel, and rate Thumbs Up.
Jeremy Cook Try it out, if you get it to work upload a video with all the details to duplicate it. Remember, the purpose of this video was to show that this will not work as the uploader showed. Adding more magnets (which I tried) is not what the other individual did in his video. He used 8 magnets in total.
Hey , just a thought of mine. To help shed some light on the magnetic fields that seemed to show implausible free power fan motors. Maybe if you take a magnet from a computer hard drive and apply it to the fan blades you can get it to work. They have only one magnetic field on one side . The other side has some sort of magnetic block . I guess to keep the field from magnetism from destroying the computer.
What about putting the magnets on different poles, one South and the following north all the way around the fan on the fins, won't that stop the clogging??
How do these type of fans normally work (brushless)? Like...what is on the little circuit board that is inside of it? I have seen that there is a circuit board inside from some of the videos that I've seen.
+John Kerley it is a coil inside a cylindrically shaped magnet so why you let current through the wire it creates a magnetic field around it which will cause an opposing forced to the permanent magnet surrounding it so it will push it hence spin the fan. if you reverse the set up meaning if you spin a magnet sound a coil it will generate an electric field which cause voltage that can drive current. in general a moving current creates a magnetic field and a changing magnetic filed creates electric field" this is called Faradays Law in physics. hope it help
+zesowl I know about what you are saying, but, it's the brushless part of it that I was specifically talking about. I think that maybe the fan does use a reed switch and some sort of transistor circuit to turn off and on and switch polarity of the DC current to cause a spinning motion,...because spinning motion can only be obtained with unipolarity DC current in a Homopolar type motor, wich draws too much current to be efficient for practical use.
I am trying the exact same thing. I to am having problems with it spinning. The video that shows it spinning looked like he used refrigerator magnets not sure what kind he had in his hand. You make a good point.
Also check out the Searl Effect John E Searl I believe. And you need to Angle the magnets and have stationairy magnets and equal amount of magnets on the fan blades
A small question. With the same fan and magnets, If you do turn one fan with an electrical current. How many (fan stacked with the same magnets) does it take to have the same voltage and amperage for a greater output than input?
Pierre Mignault Hello Pierre. I do not understand your question. You want to supply DC power to a case fan with magnets on its blades like shown in this video, then do what next?
Sorry, I'm French ...;) Yes. Powered only one case fan with magnets glued on the palm and ( "X" number of fan and same magnets) thats acts like a generator. "The Multiplicity Principle" How a single motor can drive several generator. Use magnets as drives and as axis
Pierre Mignault The question is. How many case fan acting as a generator (collecting energy) will equal the energy of the supply DC power to a single case fan ??? If a motion is past with no friction (using magnets) = 0 resistance or close to 0. A case fun running on "X" volts, "X" ampere and runs at "X" RPM. If the generator case fan runs at the same RPM and will give the same voltage, but the resistance to create energy (drag and friction) will reduce the amperage of how much?Why these case fan have 3, 5, 7 or 9 blades/palm? Odd number or impossible to balance.Thank youPierre
say you had a motor like that, but instead of a few wings with magnets on you had I dunno, a hell of a lot. Your magnet is pushing it, but not pushing it enough to repeat the process on the following wing. I have magnets that when i set them to repel after i force them into close proximity, it sends the other magnet away with a considerable push. If the magnet was strong enough to push the magnet on the wing enough to get the previous wing in front to repeat the process again, then surely wouldn't this work?
+Matthew “AceWolf” Denton Nothing will work. :-). Watch Part 2 to see how the scam was likely pulled off. Trust me, if this worked, everyone would be making and using these simple devices.
Hi Sam. I would expect the cogging to be worse when the magnets are spaced further apart. Thanks For Watching, and be sure to check out my other videos/exposed scams, and share.
I do respect your research. I meant to disprove your comments but life is testing my life. I would love for you to be patient and let me get back on my feet. I would be the first to admit I'm wrong if I am wrong.
You are wrong. You might s well admit it now. Perhaps the reason WHY your life is so bad right now is because you are a fool who has no science background.
Hi, If you want the object to work, the magnets needs to be recessed into a none Ferris metal like Aluminum or any plastic or Teflon so that the sides of the magnets are not showing and just the south pole of the magnet is only. By doing this you are insulating the hole magnets and you are having just the south pole of the magnet showing only. Then your magnet motor will then work.
Disrupting the magnetic field would... disrupt the magnetic field. Shrouding the magnet would prevent it from working IF you could effectively shroud it. That said, NON-FERROUS metal doesn't dampen magnets so much as not interact with the field on an appreciable level.
How about if you were to use a brass or copper tube and have the neodymium magnet glued inside of the Brass or copper, would that act as the proper shielding to prevent the Togging effect?
Nothing conductive should be able to prevent a magnetic field unless it also has a magnetic field, if I remember correctly. I don't remember how Faraday cages work, or if copper alone emulates its effect.
regarding cogging and obviously and expectedly cogging to cause a resistance to spinning that seems impossible to be real. if there is any chance for it to spin, have you tried gluing the odd numbered individual fan with opposing/alternating polarity?
Four years later and it still does not work. But one thing I did notice in one of the videos was that the electronic guts of the fan had been removed. The internal cogging of one of these fans is also great so overcoming it is next to impossible. Now putting two of the fans together such that the internal cogging was canceled out by each other you might get one to spin with external magnets.
Quick question: What if you took a magnet that has a stronger polarity on one side and not as much on the other, and used it instead of the small neodymium magnets on the fan blade? I mean the magnets that have a stronger magnetic field by they have a tighter magnetic field. If it works like I think it does, it might fix cogging.
I noticed that you do not have anything connected to the leads. There is another magnet in the motor an of the fan as well as the field windings (potential electromagnets). I wonder if there is anything in putting a load against this that might overcome the cogging
Clearly I would not have anything connected to the leads because the idea of one stationary magnet causing a case fan to spin smoothly(or at all) will never work to begin with. If it did, then I would have connected a load to show power output. It amazes me how many people believe in these scam videos. You can bet if this did work, the Chinese would have already duplucated it like they do with everything else to make a profit. The video was PURE bullshit.
THANK YOU! The cogging explains so much. But one hypothetical question... what if you reduced the amount of cogging as much as possible with multiple fans all connected to a single shaft? Say 5 fans all offset from each other by 20° to reduce the size of the cogging space to as little as possible. Then using 5 reversed magnets for each fan so there is not enough space for the cogging to have a major effect. So to sum up my question... Would reducing the cogging as much as possible make the fans spin?
I have unsuccesfull tested this experiment... this is just waste of time and money, thanks for share with others, the honesty in this days is rare, rare then rare earth magnets (neodymium) All best regards from Romania :)
Domuta Marcel Thank you Domuta. Yes, as you also confirmed, it is fake. Unfortunately there are a large # of people that believe in these RUclips scam videos. Check out part 2 showing how the scam is done: ruclips.net/video/M6QV0AfDF2k/видео.html Also check out my 40W homemade crank generator and other videos. ruclips.net/video/n8mzi0u-rd8/видео.html Thanks!
put two external magnets on a long pendulum, timed so one is always getting close and pulling magnet forward, then pulled away before it can lock, by which time a magnet on the opposite side is pulling it again. Heres the trick: Don't the the 2 dynamic magnets at the bottom of the pendulum, but nert the top with limiters. That way a long pendulum motion which will last, can spin a small wheel to generate power, using gravity and magnetism!
it's true, i've tried it several times, but instead of using magnet, try to put it infront of a fan,. and.. don't forget to remove any electronic parts on the back of the coil,. this may affect the current, you can put wires directly on the coil end.
could it be that you have to alternate the magnetic fields on the fan because the video doesn't say the magnetic positioning. I've seen other videos that seem to work with magnets. I noticed that while one magnet is repelling the other is ready to attract in your demo.
I might be wrong but you used 1 to 3 outside magnets ... Right?? The guy used 4 inside Magnets on the rotor and 4 outside magnets on the case that attract... so in theory shouldn't it spin until you remove 1 magnet. Wouldn't it be more powerful on a larger Scale???
electronicsNmore That might very well be a different Video ... the rotor the other guy used had 4 blades only with no angles with 4 magnets inside a round plastic housing with 4 magnets placed equally apart that ATTRACT not REPEL!! The rotor began to Spin all on it's own until he removed 1 magnet to break the cycle then it stopped ... when he put the magnet back it completed the cycle and it started to spin again ... NO electricity needed to activate... if it was a Hoax then it was a Damn good one that might be worthy of a try to find out ... I don't have expertise in this field, but in theory it makes sense it SHOULD work ... if you have the expertise then try it to debunk it! ... Good Luck!!
***** OKAY ... I don't know much about the laws of physics but I am just trying to figure out a Theory that Might Work? What if you used 5 magnets outside the 4 magnet rotor with opposite poles to attract spaced at slightly different Distances wouldn't the rotor keep spinning until one Magnet was Removed??
If you used 5 bar- 2 pole magnets alternating between north and south wouldn't that attract then repel causing continuous Spinning???? In this video he uses a fan with more than 5 round magnets with no copper wire coils on a 4 point Rotor like in the other video. There were no wires attached indicating any kind of power source.
Hi, just watched the video and had an idea that what if you fixed 1 neodymium magnet each on 4 corners each proceeding one side of the fan housing so that the magnets that are on the blades have a constant magnetic push behind them and aren't just relying on 1 magnet to push the whole lot. In my head that would work, but I don't fully understand cogging.
Thanks For Watching, but I have much more important things to do. If you decide to try it, and it works(good luck), I will be glad to post a link to your video. Some DC motors when rotated by hand, you can feel the shaft "locking in" at certain locations of the 360 degrees. That is cogging.
It is probably possible I mean to spin the fan blades with the help of magnet no matter if it produces any current. The motor itself has a magnet within. N probably that is interfering the fan from rotating . Try removing it ( I know if we remove the motor magnet we won't get any current but try n c if the fan rotates by this method) and see if the fan spins if that didn't work try sticking the magnets in every alternate blades and see if that works. This fan can definitely produce a small amount of voltage when spun. Please try these methods and let us know if it works.
You are correct, there is a magnet located in the center of the plastic fan, but you also have to realize that the individual who uploaded the video, never said he removed any internal magnets. He stated that all he did was glue magnets onto the blades, and push the fan into smooth operation using one other magnet. Unfortunately, it will not happen that way. Experiment yourself, and you will see. A scam. :-)
I just tested the fan in the video. Applying 24V the fan spins perfectly at a set rpm. If you spin the fan equally as fast, you DO NOT get any real measurable change in voltage. Maybe .05 volts DC. That is due to the way the case fan was designed(The internal circuitry). I have another case fan which will produce voltage when you spin it fast.
+Merlito Torreon If you like to waste your time trying to get a scam device to work, then great. I have much better things to do. I HIGHLY suggest you watch part 2. That video may wake you up.
Check out PART 2 of this video which uses very thin neodymium disc magnets:
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electronicsNmore you gave a theory of how you think in fan actually worksput the device you suspected is inside the original inside yours and see if it worksotherwise your theory remains a theory
Same flickering output. Stop believing all the scams!
electronicsNmore
you aren't willing to insert the device you mentioned in the fan?
you haven't proven this is a scam then
you only presented a theory about how it works
STOP wasting my time.
electronicsNmore I have experimented with neo magnets and felt there is potential to create very useful mechanisms. For instance contact free transfer. I have a video posted way back where I constructed a basic contact free energy transfer demonstration. Based off the design of A/C generators and motors I would like to further research ideas for the potential to create a system that could create free energy from strong magnets. I feel there is likely a way to do this. Currently we use magnets to create electricity from an external power source. If further research is done I believe we can utilize magnet fields to do this with no drive source.
This is really a very simple situation. NOTHING like this can EVER work no matter how you arrange things. This is just a fact. Lots of people try this sort of thing but it never works, it can't. Any video showing something like this working is a fake. RUclips needs more people like yourself who tell the truth. You're doing a good job. Well done and thank you.
Thanks for the kind words.
I'm nearing the completion of my Electrical Engineering degree, and it's frustrating to me when I come across people who think I'm part of the anti-free energy conspiracy.
Thanks for putting out these videos, it's nice to see someone who has the patience to respectfully approach the situation and put together these devices to show how they (don't) work.
Thanks For Watching. I'm very open minded to ideas/new things, but some things just don't work. Lets be realistic, if this really worked, the person would be patenting the idea, and making millions. People are way too trusting of many RUclips videos. If this does work, then I expect someone to come forward with all the design specifics so it can easily be duplicated by others. Good luck with that.
electronicsNmore well said
many people misuse / misunderstand the word "free" in free energy
free energy doesn't mean energy you don't pay for
rzan8 And what does it mean exactly ?
Emmanuel Delahaye
energy can not be destroyed or created only converted
this is the law of the conservation of energy
so the "free" would mean creation of erergy without an input source
Thank you so much for this video. I was having trouble convincing my kids the video was fake. Good job!
The video is true. You are just scams in the comment section trying to convince people it's fake so they pay your companies....
@@anassdakki5790
So, you can make this work?
I tried this and it won't work.
Could you show me what I'm doing wrong?
@@anassdakki5790 Shut up, and take your schizophrenia medication.
The only positive thing those fake energy vids achieve is to get people to think. Good job on your investigative vid.
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@Rahat Ibn Nabi
Based on the testing I have done, which is more extensive than what is shown in this video, I can say you WILL NOT get a single magnet to push a case fan into smooth spinning operation. Not going to happen. If you doubt it, then try it! Very simple to prove to yourself.
Clearly it is very easy to fake videos if you are good at video editing. Don't be so trusting.
Pablo Garcia
Don't waste my time. Either PROVE this works by making a video and testing it out for yourself, or stop carrying on. I'm seriously considering creating a new channel just for making free energy scam videos since so many people believe in them.
Pablo Garcia
More like how gullible. Find me one computer case fan that you can buy online that spins freely using one magnet as shown in this video, or multiple magnets(NO WIND), and produces endless power. LOL. Please do so and post the link here for all the viewers to see. Clearly people would be duplicating this device like crazy and making lots of money selling them online. Show us. I would like to buy one. The Chinese would have already duplicated and mass produced this device for sale.
Pablo Garcia Also, you can see many different people who can saw a woman in half and put her back together. You can clearly see that she is in two pieces, so it must be real. I tried it and killed the woman next door. Maybe I should try it with a sharper saw.
Pablo Garcia Bloggers have credibility?? That's a new one. Pablo, yes, magnets repel when their like poles face one another. But they repel in BOTH directions. The next magnet on the circle can't get into proper position because it gets pushed backwards. The fan is being forced to turn in two directions at the same time. The net result is it doesn't move at all.
Perhaps you should do what thousands before you have done. Try it yourself.
Notice how NONE of the people who gave a thumbs down, offered to show any proof that this works. Typical trolls.
*****
The cogging effect is very hard to overcome. Is it possible? Anything is possible, but highly unlikely as the uploader showed. Remember, the individual stated that all he did was glue magnets to each fan blade then use another magnet to push it into smooth operation. Based on that, it is not going to happen.
Unfortunately, I do not believe this type of free energy device will ever work; not even with monopoles. The problem is that for every south pole this is an opposite and equal north pole, or the south pole has to be brought closer to the stationary magnet before it can repel away. Cogging should not be a big deal with enough rotational inertia. If you draw out the field lines for all the magnets, you will see a few that will counteract the desired force. Every design I have found thus far has that problem.
See my videos Magneti Motor BS and Magnetic Motor BS2 for a simple explanation why this is not possible. Good Video BTW.
Power Max
Where can I obtain bagnets, and just how do they work?
Power Max Monopoles are theoretical. They do not exist in our reality.
Thank you for showing that this is bogus. My son saw one of the fake videos and has tried and tried to make it work for his science fair project. It wouldn't work, he got the same results as you. I was able to show him your video and let him know it was not his fault. Unfortunately he spent a week and a half of his time trying to get it to work before I stepped in, and now he is disappointed with what he has to turn in at school. It is truly sad what people will do to get a few views online.
same, I'm doing this for my science fair and I have no other way but to hand in this stupid design
ur son has learned much of his future lifes..
Finally an honest youtube channel. I wonder why people post garbage and claim to have built a perpetual motion generator. It pisses me off.
:-) Glad you enjoyed my video. Be sure to check out my video playlists, rate thumbs up, and share. I have another "Free Energy" scam video coming out soon. Thank You!
Thank you !
I am tired of these so-called free energy devices.
i hate scams. You will never find one on this channel.
I hate the phrase free energy. That phrase has closed people's minds to experimentation. Scams like this also make me angry.
Very well said. Tried this myself, and debunked.
I wish more viewers were smart enough to try this themselves before posting comments on my video how I did certain things incorrectly, or rating it a thumbs down.
Thanks For Watching!
electronicsNmore
I find this concept very interesting. Noticing with these fans that there is magnetic resistance within the motor itself while static, attributing more resistance to the cogging effect. I was able to get a disc that was levitating on a 52gauss neodymium field held with a brass tube in the center to spin with this fan concept since there was no interference from the fan motor... Though, of course there is no way to then generate or harness the energy and utilize it. but still interesting to watch static objects create motion.
If you have a stationery magnet that created free energy you wouldn't need RUclips likes. You'd create perpetual energy and be a multi-millionaire.
+john sims it doesn't create energyit converts magnetic power to kinetic energy
You are bad at physics. Research "cogging" and understand why this is a scam.
john sims
cogging can be a problem in a device like this but there are ways to solve cogging problems
it's not an automatic death knell
so if this is fake is John Christies magnetic motor also fake?
google it
this is in no way close to a magnetic motor. This fan has a battery in it with a switch that is connected when magnetized. Use your brain not your eyes.
john sims
so you are saying some of the magnetic motors do work?
Finally a video who shows this device in a objective way, I really needed this video for my students because they insist endlessly that this device can work, that the physics laws are wrong, that we are brainwashed etc. I have tried several Free energy scams before for my students, none works ofc.
I was so tired to find so many fakes all over the internet, Thank you for posting this video, you saved me time and money.
The one thing you didn't do was rig up a switch to turn the fan on when you put the magnet close. I'm sure that's how it was done.
It's because your disc magnets are axially magnetized. Try disc magnets that are magnetized diametrically through thickness. Thanks for sharing this, and your diagrams on how your poles are placed. That was a huge help!
I know about the other magnets, but the individual used magnets that were magnetized axially.
Thanks For Watching!
Yes you are right, I got the terms switched huh? Good catch, but the diagram I believe is the incorrect magnet type? Not saying it'll work when switched but I'm gonna try it. Got them in the mail already.
Kudos to you for being skeptical!
Great explanation. It SEEMS like there should be a way to do this with magnets, which is why people are drawn to this sort of thing.
Unfortunately some people have no clue how much damage they do with fake clips about free-energy.
EXACTLY. Those morons make people think that every other device is also fake.
*****wenn ich jetzt ein paar radial magnetisierte magnete nehme funktioniert das dann genauso wie wenn ich einen langen runden radial magneten nehme? (hurricane balls meine ich bzw searl)
I guess you did not watch the full video. This person made people waste their time AND money trying to replicate this scam. That is the damage.
They know. They don't care. Because the page views make THEM money.
FuckYouGooglePlus Money will be worthless soon. They'll realize this mistake when it's too late.
I'm surprised that a smart man such as yourself would even have to try this to know it cannot work, lets say this is to show other people that it will not work to save them the frustration of failure. It looks like it should work but really can't, ever work. Keep up the good work on your other videos.
Lets just say that I more or less figured it would not work. but I wanted to put the video out there to inform others and save them the time/trouble of trying it out themselves.
The Three Laws Of Thermodynamics:
1) You can't win
2) You can't even break even
3) You can't escape laws 1 and 2
Harry Andruschak the laws of thermodynamics are laws created by Humans who have no understanding of the universe and try to make meaning of chaos.
@@MrPepsicola123 you said it...
dose a fan like that even make any power when you spin it i know its a motor but these fans have control circuitry that could stop any power form going back out of the fan
Many of those case fans do not produce any power when you spin them, but I have come across a few that did produce power when you spin them.
Thanks For Watching!
These videos are great. I thought of a similar design, which wouldn't work of course, but I wasn't sure exactly why. Thanks for explaining and debunking these.
Thanks. U
You need to add a soda straw to your setup.
Blow through the straw, aimed at the fan, as you bring the magnet close.
It will spin! :) (BTW: It spins best if the outer magnet isn't a magnet at all...)
Seriously, every single one of you who thinks this guy is wrong, have you EVER been to school and how the fuck did you pass physics? Dude, I really think you're dealing with some kids here who lack basic knowledge on how the world works.
In a few days I will be uploading a very good video showing how the hoax was and could have been pulled off. All the thumbs down people will look stupid. Many videos on RUclips showing "Free Energy" devices are nothing more than illusions and trickery.
Thanks For Watching!
glad someone took it on to educate the people on the internet, you should throw in some physics rules in it too
Едуард Георгиев the capitalist government paid @electronicsNmore to fool people
and forget free energy of tesla.. lol
Sure they are. LOL. You make yourself look very dumb by posting comments like that.
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Thank you . I watched the fake video first with my son and daughter, and then happened to see yours. I am grateful you took the time to post this, as we were pretty impressed with the fakers work. As disappointed as we were, and as much as we didn't want yours to be convincing, we really are thankful for learning more about magnetic forces, but also how to apply a little common sense and critical thinking when listening and viewing research.
Kindest regards and with respect, jm
Thanks For Watching JM. Common sense can go a long way. If motors did not require electricity to power them, then you would see these magnet motors being made and sold by people just like me. Even if others tried to suppress the idea, the device would still be leaked and sold online to you and I.
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I'm curious, what if you had equal amounts of magnets, opposite poles - say two fans placed on top?
Or maybe you need one solid magnet north, and a larger one, south to prevent the cogging? To have no spaces between the magnets...
Hello, Please watch Part 2, all questions will come to an end. Thanks
can we connect an motor to it ,,and supply the generated voltage to the same motor is that possible??
Please watch Part 2. :-)
something like this should be on mythbuster on Discovery channel as well.
that should be lots of fun.
+Min-Bau Liao great ideai'll send it in
mythbuster is financed by big corporations. They will never let the little people not pay for energy.
HAHA ! I love these videos ! Not the set-up itself, any reasonably competent school kid could make it, but reading all the comments, divided between “This can’t work - it’s scientifically impossible!” and “It DOES work! I have tried it!”. They are lying of course.
If anyone is wondering WHY it doesn’t work, you don’t need to go into conservation of energy or that the magnets are ‘storing’ energy (they don’t). It’s just that you can’t make a motor out of just fixed permanent magnets - no matter how you arrange them, the thing will simply not turn. True, the magnet in your hand is pushing one magnet on the fan ‘forwards’, but it is also pushing the magnet behind it ‘backwards’ and the fan will just move into a position where those forces are equal and the thing never goes any further…
Thank you for Explorer exposing all the Liars on RUclips. It makes sense what you say. There should be more honest people like yourself.
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The guy who made the free energy video you mention is using a light bulb from a magic store. It is the same type light bulb used by Uncle Fester in the Adams family TV show/movies. It has batteries in the base, and the base is plastic and fake looking. (It's made to stick in your mouth after all.) The on switch is on the base, where he touches the wire. His fan is most likely moving due to a blast of air directed at the fan.
what if u used the same idea but put a horizontal axis on a vertical wheel with multiple magnets facing the same way, place the wheel over the fan, and set it spinning, just an educated guess as to what would overcome the "cogging" effect... both the fan and the wheel could potentially spin indefinately... OR use monopole magnets on the fan blades so the opposite magnetic fields are not affected, i dont have the cash right now for the experiment but i will definately try it out... also is it possible even for this fan to produce electricity instead of acting as a load... you might try setting it spinning with a dremel tool with a load attatched to the wires from the fan, i really appreciate what you are doing here :)
I think this is a great idea and tommy is right and he is a very smart man I respect him greatly
Since all magnets would be moving, the odds of getting the fan to spin would be much higher, but you will likely experience problems maintaining a smooth spinning fan.
Set it up so the fan also turns a little crank attached to a rod with lobes on it like a cam shaft. This will avoid cogging and will simulate turning a magnet on and off
i dont know much about magnetic fields but could you try having the magnets on the fan facing south. then, have another fan facing magnetic north and place them next to each other, that way the magnets keep landing within the same levels? just play around with the fields lol
Angle of blades on fan. You want less cfm, less resistance. And position the magnets close to the tip of each blade. IT WORKED!
put coils of wire next to the sides and let the wind turn the fan.
Nice vid. Do these scammers suffer any legal consequences on YT?
No, they do it to make money. It draws in gullible viewers so they can make money through ads placed on their videos. Thanks for watching!
You could always try alternating the magnets so that it wouldn't create that stickiness problem
He tried it, nothing worked.
Hi, I'm just trying to put this thing to work myself, the only BIG problem in all this magnetic stuff is actually the magnetic field itself... in other words: Unless the field lines of every magnet in the cogging zone are parallel (sure they aren't at all) this will NOT work. The diverging lines at both sides of magnets will always cause to the fan blades to "oscillate" around an ideal point where soon they will stabilize, that means also that when you try to get past of that point, the small magnets glued on the blades will be attracted back to that point, no matter how you put the big magnet on them, it will be always the same, the closer it is, the stronger the effect, you can actually feel it while trying to keep it steady over the fan when you give it a spin, it seems like a "vibration". In my opinion, it's just impossible. Have a nice day
Hey Deimos. Glad you tried this out, I wish others would do the same before posting stupid comments on my video, or rating it a thumbs down. If this did work, it would be great because I could really put a device like this to work! Unfortunately this will never work as shown in the original uploaded video.
Thanks For Watching!
I can Conclude that it is fake.
I cannot help but notice, how the fan is kind of jiggling when it spins. Its not spinning very fluently/balance.
What I can say though is that the fan is indeed genuinely spinning using the magnets stuck to the fan blade reacting to the magnet he is holding.
But why does the fan jiggle? I believe that he dismantled the fan and took out what was inside of the middle of it (the PCB, wiring, etc. This then will allow the fan to spin easily using the magnets because of less friction.)
And then :
With the amount of space he created after cleaning out what was inside the middle of the fan (that large circular in the middle of the fan that usually houses the electronics that causes the fan to spin if connected to power).
The amount of space is then FILLED with "circular Batteries", enough batteries to power the LED Bulb he is using. The Circular Batteries are basically housed inside the middle of the fan and those batteries are connected to the red and black wires. So that when he connects the bulb to the wires it lights up.
Basically even if he doesnt do that magnet spinning fan Gimmick, by Simply connecting the black and red wires to the bulb it will still light up even without having to spin the fans. Because the red and black wire is actually hook up to the circular battery housed inside the middle of the fan.
In the video
1> He saids if he stops spinning the fan using magnets, the bulb don't light up... Why? Thats because he also pulls out the Black Wire as soon as he stops spinning the Fan using the Magnet.
^But actually even if he doesn't make the fan spin using the magnet, the bulb will stay light up because it is actually powered by circular batteries found in the middle of the fan. Those batteries are then connected to the red and black wire he is using which are originally connected to the original fan electronics.
2> He tested the Bulb and it lit up using a Double AA battery. Okay thats legit. But He didn't test the fan if it works if he plugs it on a PC Power supply.
^Thats because he gutted out the middle electronics of the fan and replaced the electronics with circular batteries. so even if he connected the fan into a Power Supply Molex power connector, it Won't spin.
I agree, but why send more viewers his way to make more money from the scam video? I would remove the link from your post.
electronicsNmore ah ye my bad, wanted to make sure we were on the same page and that you are referring to that particular video.
But I am pretty sure thats how he did it.
Its just the fact that he tested the bulb works with a power source i.e. the battery but he didn't test if the fans work if connected to a Power supply.
then when he showed how the bulb starts when he spins the fans and it stops when he doesn't let the fan spins.
it wasn't about the fan spinning that makes the bulb light up at all. But it was because of him pulling out the black wire supplying the power.
I am pretty sure even if he keeps the fan not spinning, the bulb will still light up just by connecting the black and red wire to the bulb.
I have seen quite alot of 120mm PC case fan "free energy" videos, and I can see most of them utilizes the same gimmick using low power LED bulb and circular batteries placed in the middle of the fan/hub.
I noticed that in the faker's video the claimant always keeps the stationary magnet part way out of the view of the camera. The magnet also appears to have a small hole drilled in it. There is probably an air pump located outside the camera's view and a hose going to the unseen side of the stationary magnet (which may not be a magnet at all). This blows a jet of air toward the fan causing it to spin. The motor inside the fan then acts like a generator to light the bulb. The outside power source is whatever is running the air pump.
A classic aphorism comes to mind: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Came to the comments to see all the people proposing their one of a kind ideas to overcome this issue.
You put the poles wrong. It should be n-n-s-n-s-n-s. start rotating at the double n magnet. Use low energy magnets on the blades. Then it works. Please make a new video to inform the people.
I agree with you 100%.. its pretty obvious that it is not possible to get a blade spinning in both directions at once.. If you have a S magnet followed by another S magnet attached and you put another S magnet between them you are going to get the magnets repelling in different directions.. In order for a blade to spin you would need a S to be pushed on the blade followed by a N on another blade to pull it towards the stationary magnet.. Problem is that the S magnet following that N magnet will once again want to repel in the opposite direction while the N magnet tries to become stationary.. Either way you are only going to achieve some minor rocking, eventually finding the blade achieving a lock point.. Common sense says that this video is correct. How anyone could argue the opposite is beyond me..
you need MONO pole magnets on the fan, or you need a cct to swap feilds at the right time, or something that "spins a interference feild at the right time... thats the tricky part.
try this and see what i mean, .. spin your interference magnet with your hand but on an axis near or in the "sweet spot" you have to find it, but not hard.. you will get a few actual spins to prove concept..... but not a working motor .. yet.
The chance of this working isn't slim, or next to nil. It's nil. It's vaguely interesting that you tried this over and over, but it's like trying to prove that socks don't fly. You don't need to throw socks up in the air over and over to show that no matter what you do, they just won't fly. Permanent magnets are seductive because they seem to make a free force. But it's the same as gravity - there's a force there, but as soon as you exhaust the potential energy, you have to restore the potential, to make it work again. The magnets that are driven away from the stationary magnet going one way, are attracted to it after they circle around. Consider: if you decided to call it an attraction motor instead of a repulsion motor, you wouldn't need to reconfigure it because it's attracting and repelling at the same time. The motor works conceptually by neglecting one side of the system.
And of course, people will try this same thing with gravity. If only you could get the potential out of the wheel on one side, without having to restore it, on the other side. For some reason, it's a little more obviously impossible with gravity, but the nature of the devices and the reasons why they won't work are identical. You're not 'making energy' you're using potential, or stored energy. A hydroelectric dam makes 'free energy' this way, but something has to truck all that water back up to the reservoir. The magnets can 'fall' together and make energy. But then that same amount of energy is required to pull them apart and restore them to their original distances, or potentials. There's never "just enough left over to make free energy out of a conceptual error".
The problem doesn't have a damned thing to do with what size magnets go on the blades or the pushing magnet, blah blah blah, as long as you can get a big external magnet to push the blade magnets then that part is fine.
THE PROBLEM is the fan that is being used! Almost all modern cheap fan motors like that aren't capable of making electricity. You have to find an older model fan THAT HAS MAGNETS INSIDE of the case that is part of the original design. There is NOTHING fancy or magical here, the principal is the same as a wind generator. Go look at how a wind generator is made and you will see both wire coils and magnets, the wind turns the blades passing the magnets and coils over each other to make electricity.
The ONLY thing different here, as long as you have a fan with magnets and there isn't any blocking diodes or crap like that inside that needs removed, is that you are using the glued on magnets and a big external magnet to REPLACE THE WIND to spin the fan.
If you can't hold the little fan up to a big fan and have the little one making electricity (checked with a volt meter) then putting magnets on the blades isn't going to do a damned thing!!
Soooo... You need a fan with internal magnets and it can't have circuitry that is blocking current flow from your test meter. Pretty damned simple.
What does your comment have to do with the video being a scam? Which it is? Your correct that some case fans can produce a voltage when placed in the the wind to allow the blades to spin, but many others do not as a result of the internal circuitry. The purpose of this video was to show that you will not have a free spinning case fan using only magnets. If you doubt this, then I suggest you purchase a case fan and magnets. I assure you that you will be HIGHLY disappointed with the results.
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Have you considered trying to put a magnetic strip around the fan? A strip should prevent cogging, right?
Absolutely not. That is not the purpose of this video. The purpose of this video was to demonstrate that the device WILL NOT work exactly as shown in the other video. It is not my job to "TRY" and get this to work. If you believe in these types of videos, then it is your job to spend money, and time trying to make this work. I have much more important things to do with my time and money.
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Well, you said you'd like to see it work, I just thought it might be a way it might could work. I won't have any spending money probably until Jan, so I thought I'd ask your thoughts.
Of course I would love to see a device that has the ability to create "Free Energy" work, but in reality it won't happen. You don't create electricity from nothing.
I recant my doubt of it being by Tesla, it was patented in 1913. >_
yea, no one is meant to be able to 'create' free energy are they? i thought it was meant to be converting, one form to another, heat into electricity, friction into etc... the idea being you dont create it, you just manipulate your space around you to modify the flow of energy all around you... the specifics being the specifics of the method, electric engine, wind turbine, atom splitting etc...
I am going to go somewhere tomorrow where i might be able to dig up what i need to try this out and get the experience i mentioned earlier, after reading a few of your comments thats become obvious, i cant open my mouth anymore with out trying myself so thanks for the thought provoking material and the crash course in my favorite subject... "Things i Don't Know!"
Easy! You need to use monopole magnets. ;)
When you find them, send me a couple. LOL
That was a good one !
the outer magnets would need to spin to continuously attract the magnets attached to the fan blades, but they would only spin until friction slows them to stopping, it's a very tricky near impossible task to make the motor work without applying power to the system, which would make it pointless. but it is still worth exploring different options.
maybe it would work if you added a battery
Sean Mann ruclips.net/video/M6QV0AfDF2k/видео.html
Thank for posting, you have saved me hours trying.
You're welcome!
Dude have you tried getting rid of some magnets at the fan? that may reduce the cogging... maybe
Clearly you have not read all my other comments here. The video is a FAKE. If you would like, waste your time, and your money, then post a video.
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Don't waste my time with your multiple posts nonsense. I try very hard not to block trolls, so you are getting VERY close. If you believe in this SCAM, post your video with ALL information so others can duplicate it. Enough of the posts.
Oh. OK. I apologize. :-)
Thanks a lot, man. Now I can give my little brother all my magnets, he's been begging for days =))
Your welcome. Save your time and money trying to replicate this.
Even if this does work (not saying it doesn't) it is not perpetual motion for 2 reasons
1. magnets do lose their magnetic ability
2. It is technically not perpetual motion because perpetual motion is motion not affected by force of any kind
Perpetual motion is impossible no matter how you look at it if you find soothing that is perpetual than pls let me know because it is not possible. they say I you throw a ball in space it goes for ever so if you spin something in space it would go forever. FALSE because it would eventually stop because of dark matter even dark matter has friction it may take a million or so years but it will eventually stop true perpetual motion means an action that is repetitive over and over again for ever as long as no outside force acts upon it the closest thing to perpetual motion we have is an electrical circuit so think about it even the universe will lose its energy may be way past any persons lifetime that will ever read this comment but it will end it is not something I hate to think about but it will happen.
What if you use dipole magnets glued on the fan and again two monoploar magnets (on a non symmetric position towards the centre point, to go pass the cogging point) to make it spin?
Watch Part 2!
Your right dude i been trying to do it on my own and use different types of magnets but no LUCK at all..
I have seen it and concluded that it is a fake, also!
All except you only have 1/2 the puzzle. You are missing the 4 magnets in the corners. 1 of those 4 is different. Sure it doesn't make a difference, it will never work, but at least you will be replicating it correctly next time.
cmon man, wrong fan wrong angel .........im convinced you work for the power company's.....
Stop talking stupid. Watch Part 2, you may actually learn something. :-)
Looking at the video in question, He went small dot magnets. The ones you used were high power. Try minimum magnets on the fan blades. I will be watching for that.
+Bob Anderson
Hello. You watched the wrong video. The magnets were not dots. The device is a scam, you need to accept that fact. Even better, watch Part 2. All questions will come to an end.
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I subscribed because your not a liar thanks for being a good person
Thanks Mike. I only upload REAL videos. :-)
How did u get past the cogging issue? My build is seizing about every tenth spin.
Never did get past it.
Try alternating the poles of the magnets that are on the blade. For example, make a pattern: north, south, north, south. The magnet will attract to one of the magnets of the same poles but will also be repelled at the same time.
Victor Zarate Refer to my other video to see how it was done.
ruclips.net/video/M6QV0AfDF2k/видео.html
Thank You
thank you for saving me $thousands of dollars. I have always thought about this and wanted to build a prototype on a larger scale. I have a drawing I would like to send you to see what you think. .....thanks again .
+Cuku Kenivel
Hey there. Unfortunately these devices will not work. BTW, you look exactly like a friend of mine from my college years.
uhhhhh.....where did you go to college ? that pic was when I was in college.
I thought the thinner magnets did work .... what am I missing ?
+Cuku Kenivel
In Florida. Check out Part 2 in the video description area. I use very thin magnets. :-)
i still want to send you this drawing ...
Florida ??? Well your friend must be one handsome SOB.... cause I am too. LOL !!!!
Sorry for asking a question you have surely answered many times, probably. I could not find it though. So, have you found that any of these free energy magnet videos actually work.? Are they all (these magnet videos) just a scam?
I don't say that things will work, but what he doing on this video it will never work, because he didn't put north to north. And what he try to do by this video? To kill some interest of people?
Ball sh...
That is so true
Absolutely right! Impossible to make the fan spin with a magnet in a fixed position at the side. You can only make it spin, by circular movement of your hand holdin a magnet.
A fixed magnet will not get a case fan to instantly spin into smooth operation as shown in the scam videos. Never going to happen. What will work, are movable magnets to push the fan into motion.
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Haha, I just made this video as well.
Great video btw (enough of those fake videos!)
Wait, I think this free energy method would actually work.... You just need a few more magnets ;) #Thermodynamics
Jeremy Cook
Try it out, if you get it to work upload a video with all the details to duplicate it. Remember, the purpose of this video was to show that this will not work as the uploader showed. Adding more magnets (which I tried) is not what the other individual did in his video. He used 8 magnets in total.
Jeremy Cook Save your superglue, it does not work ;)
Matt Heilman I'm sure - was kidding!
Hey , just a thought of mine. To help shed some light on the magnetic fields that seemed to show implausible free power fan motors. Maybe if you take a magnet from a computer hard drive and apply it to the fan blades you can get it to work. They have only one magnetic field on one side . The other side has some sort of magnetic block . I guess to keep the field from magnetism from destroying the computer.
+Sweetz H
Please watch Part 2. Thanks
Of course it is fake, if it works they would be sold everywhere.
if its sold everywhere , you'd be dead
What about putting the magnets on different poles, one South and the following north all the way around the fan on the fins, won't that stop the clogging??
Tried it all. :-). I did a lot more testing outside of this video.
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How do these type of fans normally work (brushless)? Like...what is on the little circuit board that is inside of it? I have seen that there is a circuit board inside from some of the videos that I've seen.
+John Kerley it is a coil inside a cylindrically shaped magnet so why you let current through the wire it creates a magnetic field around it which will cause an opposing forced to the permanent magnet surrounding it so it will push it hence spin the fan. if you reverse the set up meaning if you spin a magnet sound a coil it will generate an electric field which cause voltage that can drive current. in general a moving current creates a magnetic field and a changing magnetic filed creates electric field" this is called Faradays Law in physics. hope it help
+zesowl I know about what you are saying, but, it's the brushless part of it that I was specifically talking about. I think that maybe the fan does use a reed switch and some sort of transistor circuit to turn off and on and switch polarity of the DC current to cause a spinning motion,...because spinning motion can only be obtained with unipolarity DC current in a Homopolar type motor, wich draws too much current to be efficient for practical use.
I am trying the exact same thing. I to am having problems with it spinning. The video that shows it spinning looked like he used refrigerator magnets not sure what kind he had in his hand. You make a good point.
Also check out the Searl Effect John E Searl I believe. And you need to Angle the magnets and have stationairy magnets and equal amount of magnets on the fan blades
A small question.
With the same fan and magnets, If you do turn one fan with an electrical current.
How many (fan stacked with the same magnets) does it take to have the same voltage and amperage for a greater output than input?
Pierre Mignault Hello Pierre. I do not understand your question. You want to supply DC power to a case fan with magnets on its blades like shown in this video, then do what next?
Sorry, I'm French ...;)
Yes. Powered only one case fan with magnets glued on the palm and ( "X" number of fan and same magnets) thats acts like a generator.
"The Multiplicity Principle"
How a single motor can drive several generator. Use magnets as drives and as axis
Pierre Mignault The question is. How many case fan acting as a generator (collecting energy) will equal the energy of the supply DC power to a single case fan ???
If a motion is past with no friction (using magnets) = 0 resistance or close to 0. A case fun running on "X" volts, "X" ampere and runs at "X" RPM.
If the generator case fan runs at the same RPM and will give the same voltage, but the resistance to create energy (drag and friction) will reduce the amperage of how much?Why these case fan have 3, 5, 7 or 9 blades/palm? Odd number or impossible to balance.Thank youPierre
say you had a motor like that, but instead of a few wings with magnets on you had I dunno, a hell of a lot. Your magnet is pushing it, but not pushing it enough to repeat the process on the following wing. I have magnets that when i set them to repel after i force them into close proximity, it sends the other magnet away with a considerable push. If the magnet was strong enough to push the magnet on the wing enough to get the previous wing in front to repeat the process again, then surely wouldn't this work?
+Matthew “AceWolf” Denton
Nothing will work. :-). Watch Part 2 to see how the scam was likely pulled off. Trust me, if this worked, everyone would be making and using these simple devices.
what if the the blades are further apart would that weaken the cogging effect?
Hi Sam. I would expect the cogging to be worse when the magnets are spaced further apart.
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Shit like this would be viable only if we had magnetic monopoles, lol.
I do respect your research. I meant to disprove your comments but life is testing my life.
I would love for you to be patient and let me get back on my feet. I would be the first to admit I'm wrong if I am wrong.
You are wrong. You might s well admit it now.
Perhaps the reason WHY your life is so bad right now is because you are a fool who has no science background.
Hi, If you want the object to work, the magnets needs to be recessed into a none Ferris metal like Aluminum or any plastic or Teflon so that the sides of the magnets are not showing and just the south pole of the magnet is only. By doing this you are insulating the hole magnets and you are having just the south pole of the magnet showing only. Then your magnet motor will then work.
+1
Disrupting the magnetic field would... disrupt the magnetic field. Shrouding the magnet would prevent it from working IF you could effectively shroud it. That said, NON-FERROUS metal doesn't dampen magnets so much as not interact with the field on an appreciable level.
How about if you were to use a brass or copper tube and have the neodymium magnet glued inside of the Brass or copper, would that act as the proper shielding to prevent the Togging effect?
Nothing conductive should be able to prevent a magnetic field unless it also has a magnetic field, if I remember correctly. I don't remember how Faraday cages work, or if copper alone emulates its effect.
O key! And thank You for your input, I do appreciate it.
regarding cogging and obviously and expectedly cogging to cause a resistance to spinning that seems impossible to be real. if there is any chance for it to spin, have you tried gluing the odd numbered individual fan with opposing/alternating polarity?
+dcracing1
Hello. Many other ways were tested. 100% scam. Please watch Part 2.
Thank you!
First law of thermodynamics applauds you.
Good to hear. :-)
Four years later and it still does not work. But one thing I did notice in one of the videos was that the electronic guts of the fan had been removed. The internal cogging of one of these fans is also great so overcoming it is next to impossible. Now putting two of the fans together such that the internal cogging was canceled out by each other you might get one to spin with external magnets.
Quick question: What if you took a magnet that has a stronger polarity on one side and not as much on the other, and used it instead of the small neodymium magnets on the fan blade? I mean the magnets that have a stronger magnetic field by they have a tighter magnetic field. If it works like I think it does, it might fix cogging.
You need to watch PART 2! :-)
I noticed that you do not have anything connected to the leads. There is another magnet in the motor an of the fan as well as the field windings (potential electromagnets). I wonder if there is anything in putting a load against this that might overcome the cogging
Clearly I would not have anything connected to the leads because the idea of one stationary magnet causing a case fan to spin smoothly(or at all) will never work to begin with. If it did, then I would have connected a load to show power output. It amazes me how many people believe in these scam videos. You can bet if this did work, the Chinese would have already duplucated it like they do with everything else to make a profit. The video was PURE bullshit.
THANK YOU! The cogging explains so much. But one hypothetical question... what if you reduced the amount of cogging as much as possible with multiple fans all connected to a single shaft? Say 5 fans all offset from each other by 20° to reduce the size of the cogging space to as little as possible. Then using 5 reversed magnets for each fan so there is not enough space for the cogging to have a major effect.
So to sum up my question... Would reducing the cogging as much as possible make the fans spin?
I have unsuccesfull tested this experiment... this is just waste of time and money, thanks for share with others, the honesty in this days is rare, rare then rare earth magnets (neodymium)
All best regards from Romania :)
Domuta Marcel Thank you Domuta. Yes, as you also confirmed, it is fake. Unfortunately there are a large # of people that believe in these RUclips scam videos.
Check out part 2 showing how the scam is done:
ruclips.net/video/M6QV0AfDF2k/видео.html
Also check out my 40W homemade crank generator and other videos.
ruclips.net/video/n8mzi0u-rd8/видео.html
Thanks!
素晴らしい解説だった。実際、私はいくつかの同様なビデオを上げているチューバーに尋ねたが回答は無かった。
そもそも、概略図や電圧や電流の測定、磁場の強度などが示されていない。
わたしが考えるのは【磁場の引き摺り効果】【マグネットやコイルから発せられる磁界曲線】があると思っている。
このビデオでは、磁場の引き摺り効果が連続していない為、マグネットの中間時点で磁界が励起しないのだろうと考えた。
では何故、回転しないのか❓ そこにはコイルが関係していると思われる。
コイルには多重性があると考えた。『インダクタンス』と『抵抗(レジスタンス)』と『リアクタンス』と『インピーダンス』である。
これらが変化することによって磁界が変化するのではないかと考えた。
これによって【磁界振動】【磁場の引き摺り、磁場流動】が発生するのではないか❓
途方もない考えである。
put two external magnets on a long pendulum, timed so one is always getting close and pulling magnet forward, then pulled away before it can lock, by which time a magnet on the opposite side is pulling it again. Heres the trick: Don't the the 2 dynamic magnets at the bottom of the pendulum, but nert the top with limiters. That way a long pendulum motion which will last, can spin a small wheel to generate power, using gravity and magnetism!
Watch Part 2. :-)
it's true, i've tried it several times, but instead of using magnet, try to put it infront of a fan,. and.. don't forget to remove any electronic parts on the back of the coil,. this may affect the current, you can put wires directly on the coil end.
ronel janeo A fan?! An electric fan?! 😂
could it be that you have to alternate the magnetic fields on the fan because the video doesn't say the magnetic positioning. I've seen other videos that seem to work with magnets. I noticed that while one magnet is repelling the other is ready to attract in your demo.
I might be wrong but you used 1 to 3 outside magnets ... Right?? The guy used 4 inside Magnets on the rotor and 4 outside magnets on the case that attract... so in theory shouldn't it spin until you remove 1 magnet. Wouldn't it be more powerful on a larger Scale???
You watched a different video.
electronicsNmore That might very well be a different Video ... the rotor the other guy used had 4 blades only with no angles with 4 magnets inside a round plastic housing with 4 magnets placed equally apart that ATTRACT not REPEL!! The rotor began to Spin all on it's own until he removed 1 magnet to break the cycle then it stopped ... when he put the magnet back it completed the cycle and it started to spin again ... NO electricity needed to activate... if it was a Hoax then it was a Damn good one that might be worthy of a try to find out ... I don't have expertise in this field, but in theory it makes sense it SHOULD work ... if you have the expertise then try it to debunk it! ... Good Luck!!
***** OKAY ... I don't know much about the laws of physics but I am just trying to figure out a Theory that Might Work? What if you used 5 magnets outside the 4 magnet rotor with opposite poles to attract spaced at slightly different Distances wouldn't the rotor keep spinning until one Magnet was Removed??
If you used 5 bar- 2 pole magnets alternating between north and south wouldn't that attract then repel causing continuous Spinning???? In this video he uses a fan with more than 5 round magnets with no copper wire coils on a 4 point Rotor like in the other video. There were no wires attached indicating any kind of power source.
***** Magnets always have two poles? No. Not these days.
how do we actually make something spin with magnets? what is the actual way to do so?
What size are the magnets on the fan blades?
12mm x 3mm. If you watched my newer video on this subject, You will see 12mm x .85mm N48 Neodymiums.
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Hi, just watched the video and had an idea that what if you fixed 1 neodymium magnet each on 4 corners each proceeding one side of the fan housing so that the magnets that are on the blades have a constant magnetic push behind them and aren't just relying on 1 magnet to push the whole lot. In my head that would work, but I don't fully understand cogging.
Thanks For Watching, but I have much more important things to do. If you decide to try it, and it works(good luck), I will be glad to post a link to your video. Some DC motors when rotated by hand, you can feel the shaft "locking in" at certain locations of the 360 degrees. That is cogging.
It is probably possible I mean to spin the fan blades with the help of magnet no matter if it produces any current. The motor itself has a magnet within. N probably that is interfering the fan from rotating . Try removing it ( I know if we remove the motor magnet we won't get any current but try n c if the fan rotates by this method) and see if the fan spins if that didn't work try sticking the magnets in every alternate blades and see if that works. This fan can definitely produce a small amount of voltage when spun. Please try these methods and let us know if it works.
You are correct, there is a magnet located in the center of the plastic fan, but you also have to realize that the individual who uploaded the video, never said he removed any internal magnets. He stated that all he did was glue magnets onto the blades, and push the fan into smooth operation using one other magnet. Unfortunately, it will not happen that way. Experiment yourself, and you will see. A scam. :-)
I just tested the fan in the video. Applying 24V the fan spins perfectly at a set rpm. If you spin the fan equally as fast, you DO NOT get any real measurable change in voltage. Maybe .05 volts DC. That is due to the way the case fan was designed(The internal circuitry). I have another case fan which will produce voltage when you spin it fast.
The magnet inside the motor is affecting it and cogging?
Makes ZERO difference if there's a magnet inside the motor.
what if you use a low south magnet to repelled another south manget so it will not interfere with the other south magnet
Fake or not the important is you tried it. Trying and never give up is a quality of being a inventor/scientist. Keep trying bro.
+Merlito Torreon
If you like to waste your time trying to get a scam device to work, then great. I have much better things to do. I HIGHLY suggest you watch part 2. That video may wake you up.