Trouble at Canterbury! Dogs continue roster cleanout as they chase success | NRL 360 | Fox League
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2023
- There has been drama at the Bulldogs with the performance of the players during a lacklustre season.
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I have been a dogs supporter my whole life. I love the dogs. I can’t see that passion in any player currently on our roster.
That’s what happens when you buy half your roster instead of developing juniors, you can’t buy culture
Because they’re self entitled
Kikau got his medals s now on Island time. Doggies there for da chics brah not training hard like us Panthers.
Burton plays with passion day in and day out. Stop it
Mahoney, King, Preston have busted their guts all year. I think Burton's been playing under a lot of pressure.
Never thought the Dogs would be challenging for the Top 8 this year, but the success of Webster at the Warriors is a comparison that is hard to ignore!
Look at the size of their pack. We've got no forwards. And they've had a real halfback all year. It's that simple.
@@jvvoid Apart from AFB Warriors pack is not big at all in fact most clubs have bigger packs.Warriors recruitment of good experienced but not great players has worked with the coach getting the best out of them all.The only player to go sideways/backwards under Webster is Vailea who has been "let go" to the Cows the rest are all playing their best footie in years if not ever which is what coaches strife for.
Dogs recruitment of top / "elite" players who have already had a lot of success simply ain't working.
Let's be real going on 2023 Warriors got the best coach out of Penrith.
@@jvvoidthe dogs just don’t seem to give a rats arse as well so I’m sure that’s a big factor
When you compare them to the Knights who hit a stride late, to the Dolphins who had basically 1 year to put together a team and the Warriors the Bulldogs are a laughing stock that sit with the Tigers and Dragons.
@@johnlocke4715 To be fair even though not winning Tigers and Dragons have at least put in some effort late in the season but yea you have a point.
Dolphins as a new club just lacked depth when injuries/suspensions hit but that will slowly come right.
I mean Andrew webster in his 1st season has made top 4. Craig fitzgibbion made top 2 in his 1st season, last the cows went from bottom 4 to top 4 last season, even cleary went from 10th in 2019 to grand final in 2020 so clubs can turn it around quickly but things like a good pre season, coaching staff, recruitment that's huge as well now im not saying bulldogs are not guaranteed to do that but if you get all those things right things will turn pretty quickly
Totally agree. I saw the passion and heart under Dean pay and under mick potter. All this talk about taking time is bullshit. If your coaching style is to burn the players out then your gonna lose the players respect. It's always the young cop that tries to throw his power around. But the experienced older cop keeps his cool and is flexible. Same with coaches. Make the players want to play for you. Be firm to get the respect but be flexible when required then they will unite and want to win for you. In all fairness no one really knows what goes on behind closed doors but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out they don't want to play for you. And that is figured out by how we defend.... we just don't defend
Those were much better rosters... obviously.
those sides have very different rosters
More to the point we had worst rosters under potter and pay but played better
Great point. Ciraldo is possibly not as good.
the main thing our side lacks is leadership in the playing group, especially in the middle. the fact they have been forced to elevate mahoney and burton to captains way b4 there time is pretty telling. until they get some leadership around the playing group, especially the middle, there going to be inconsistent, and on the weekend they looked like they were done with the season. im expecting a big effort this weekend
I’m a panthers supporter but I thought it would have been worth you guys trying to get JWH for next year!
@@lauifisaufoisamoa yeh fr we are getting takeaho (forgive spelling) and someone like jwh would be awesome for us i reckon
Saying that the coach doesn't have the right players is a massive cop out, webster 1st year head coach with a team that was 2nd last in 2022 and really didn't have any say of who was coming to his team, no big signing players, he just believed in the players he was given and bought out the best in them. Its human nature to want to do your best when others believe in you, I think Ciraldo needs to start there, believe in your players.
warriors have a 250 game legend in the halves and one of the best most experienced packs in the comp its really chalk n cheese between the 2 rosters in terms of nrl experiance especially in the spine and the forward pack so you cant really compare the two. you can compare this bulldog side to the broncos a couple years ago
@paulywalnutz5855 But we had the same team last year, except a few that we had already bought before we got webby, and a couple we got in trades. Very comparable. They bought a bunch of panthers and a couple of others plus the most wanted coach at the time. 😂
the injury toll this year was order of magnitude worse you cant compare the two years, plus we had our captain last year @@adamwilson5427
@@paulywalnutz5855That 250 game legend you referring to was let go in 2021 by his previous club. He went back to his former club, the Warriors who realised his worth because good 7s are rare in the NRL. Bulldogs could have made an offer. Ditto Adam Reynolds, also 250 plus game legend who was also off contract at that time and undermined by Souths. Two marquee 7s on offer and bulldogs spend heaps of money on Pangai😅😅😅. Look at where the Broncos and Warriors are now..Need I say more
But the problem you cleaned out Jake Averillo who looked the goods last year and has moments this year
Reed doesn’t look himself and that needs to be addressed
Bulldogs fans have some hope though I think Crichton is a huge signing and as much as I hate panthers getting Crichton is a huge gain I believe he will push the standards at training and seems like a 1st class professional
The Bulldogs desperately need a playmaker. Burton is the main problem. When he was at Penrith he was scoring a lot of tries. In that backline I could have almost scored the same amount of tries. But Burton wanted to be the main man. He is not a creative player - he is a finisher. Most sets the Bulldogs avoid using him, he gets the ball on the fifth and roosts it pointlessly down the field. No thought process just a big bot. He should be playing NFL as a punter.
Nahhh you are nowhere near the athlete of Burton. 6’3 100kg.
I can see the same problem with Crichton going to fullback, he's a centre not a fullback.
Your an idiot
Fox is the only player that’s been playing good footy from a top club
Gus has signed close to 20 players. The players aren’t the issue. It’s the culture and culture starts from the top
This should be done in most clubs at the moment. Bulldogs are not the only club to come under scrutiny. Back in the day when bulldogs and even manly were raining strong, the players were not in it for the money because compared to today there was no money. Money changes everything. Players getting paid top dollar and doing nothing for it. It’s a far cry from the 70’s and 80’s. Back in them times the players were half the size of the players today and lasted a lot longer on the field than these big muscle players of today. Todays players are either lazy, injured, suspended or their contract is being torn up for off field behaviour. Always some crap going down. I have never known an error where the players performances cost a coach their job so much. Perfectly good coaches getting shown the door because the player won’t have a dig.
It's so obvious that need a proper fullback to organise their defence. Any winger could have done what addo-car did this year for the dogs. GET A FULLBACK
He made Faitala Marina the club captain then gave him the ass the same season. The bloke doesn’t know what he wants 😂
One thing that the Broncos and Canterbury had in common? TPJ.
When they bought players like Burton, Addo-Carr, Mahoney and the like, I was optimistic. Slowly, though, the skill and talent those guys brought with them has disappeared.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs lol
we need a ruthless offseason i wanna see players quit the game coz its so hard and the ones left will be the ones we move forward with
We wouldn’t be able to get a team out each week
That’s what happened in Broncos and look at where they are now; minor premiership winners.
Looks like that’s what’s gonna happen with some of those players complaining trainings too hard. Ofc it’s gonna be hard when you suck like that with a team of great buys.
Should've given the job to potter for 12 months. Its as if Ciraldo is trying to coach them out of a manual. Get a couple of hard-nosed forwards, kikau and pangai can be a couple of pretty boys out there sometimes, some good edge defensive players and a dominant half who isnt afraid to pull up reed mahoney with this brain snaps. work from there.
Gordy is like our shaq from nba on tnt. I’m here for it
Burton, The Fox, Kikao, Mahoney, Averillo and Josh Reynolds and they finish 15th with the worst for and against in the comp by far. One of the worst underperforming rosters in the history of NRL. They need stronger forwards, a good captain and coach, some serious strategy reform and a massive improvement defensively. They need to put their heart into the game, not just show up each week for the pay check. They'll get Cricton next year who is an absolute beast. But it is so sad seeing such talent performing so terrible. I could coach the team better than anyone who has been there in the last 5 years, im sure 80% of NRL fans could.
Canterbury-Bankstown have been buying every Tom, Dick and Harry over the last two year and have been linked with any off-contract player yet they are still the same.
Ciraldo is a myth.
And if they turn it around next year? Is he still a myth? Anyone can run their mouth. You’ve never met him
They'll go backwards next year mate. Straight to spoonville. @@clutch7548
Canterbury have recruited well no doubt.. however the players they’ve bought in, were never ‘the’ guys at their previous clubs but it seems they’ve brought them to be ‘the’ guys at Canterbury and they just can’t do it.
Well it did one thing right, it exposed all those former panthers as a bunch of no ones. Only looked good because of the team.
Exactly, Burtons a good player but he looked phenomenal bc of the guys he was surrounded with. Most players would look twice as good playing in a team with that lineup.
The fact that Addo-Carr only puts in on attack and not defending is a red flag for the Dogs!
Bulldogs Really Needs A Halfback #7 Cause They Have All The Players
No they don't?! Half the side are from NSW CUP!
@@DBASSDAN Yes They Do U 🤡
They have a good team on paper
If we sort our defence we will do miles better next season hopefully! 🏴
They gave up. One thing you wouldn't see josh Jackson do.
Josh Addo-carr looks burnt out an unhappy at the doggies.
It's been a hard season for Bulldogs but they're rebuilding though I think when Stephen Crichton joins them next year 2024 season it could be the ingredient that Canterbury needs so hopefully it works out for the best.
I look forward to in 14 years time, and the bulldogs turn it around, Gould can finally chirp up and say he was responsible.
As he did at Penrith.
@@bman23Qjust didn’t hang around long enough to reep the benefits 😂
Ivan Cleary was the beneficiary of Gus’s work out at Penrith.
I just pre ordered their New Iluvium Jersey but I’ve had enough of NRL, im at the point I’ve had enough of entertainment, im waiting for A-League to start back up.
Yea Illuvium! Are you playing the game at all? I’m obsessed
When Chrichton comes next year, you'd have to pair him with Burton in the centres
According to Anasta and Tallis it is all the players fault but it is up to the head coach to provide the right environment etc to have happy players playing well.
There are now a couple of stories emerging about how Ciraldo treats players that are disturbing.
Yeah imagine being on 800k a year and being asked to do an 8hr day 😆😆😆
What's he been doing that's disturbing ?
@@yehbuddy1005he gives the players silly names 🤣
@@jackthelab6755 I would've been happy with 80
@@yehbuddy1005 Making players "wrestle" up to 12 opponents as a punishment apparently for being late.If you ever been in hard wrestling you know that is crazy and can be dangerous.A couple of players walked out on these "sessions" and are looking elsewhere.
Just look at the players body language especially ones that come from well performing clubs you can tell they ain't happy campers.
Obviously some of the blame is on players but Ciraldo seems to dodge ANY criticism with his buddies like Anasta etc.
When you sign players just for their attack and they leak points
Weed out the Slackers!
It's all on Ciraldo. He's been given his chance and obviously doesn't have the ability to get the best out of players. There is a decent squad there, and it looks like they don't want to play for him.
Jackson made the right call to retire 😂. He was the only doggies player playing with passion , everytime he wore the jersey 😂
It seems every club Gus is at, they don't do well...
If get hammered in the off season and players shut up and get on with it we would improve
Difference between Dogs & Dragons/Tigers is an experienced halfback
You can have tough training but if you dont have the right culture, you may as well cal it a day! From what I can see there is a definite culture issue. You can buy top players and spend all your cap getting key players but if Ciro cant get the best out of them then its clear Ciro is out of his depth.
Hopefully when Stephen plays for them next year. He can give them that spark they surely need. 🤞🏽 the doggies don't ruin his career 😬
Hope he stays at centre nd Blake Taffe goes to full back! Start of the year Campbell Graham was ahead of Critta but I reckon Critta is ahead of him now
They didn’t build a team around 1 player at least build a good pearing in back line then in forward line
You can only blame the coaching staff so much - the players look like they don’t really care that much that they’re losing whereas the tigers are wooden spoons and fight harder than they do. Ofc trainings going to be hard if you’re performing as badly as they are.
They have talent in the side just can’t seem to do anything with it. Not sure why they are so bad
we have great players but its the coach's responsibility to utelise them and find his players strengths and weakness and give them a solution in order make them better
If blokes on $500k or more don't want to be around training from 8am to 5.30pm on weekdays then the whinging blokes are the problem, not the coach.
The solution is to move on the the whingers, don't matter how big a name, if they aren't there for the team then see ya later.
@@SlaintheMhath could be that too
Ahh Braith Anasta and constantly interrupting people to spout bullshit, a classic combo
Gus should be the first person who needs the boot
I agree . The fifty year plans are bs.
What a joke 😂😂 look at what he did to the panthers he's the smartest bloke in the nrl
@@snmnmidld6203 ah ye coz the dogs have looked so good since he’s taken over😂😂😂 couldn’t manage a root in a brothel let alone an NRL teams cap space😂😂
@@snmnmidld6203 your right , the panthers started winning when he left.
It takes time to build a team, the panthers system took years and Ivan is enjoying the benefits.
Talent is starting to get a bit thin now, too many have been poached by player managers looking to increase their own income at the games expense.
The bulldogs are finding out the hard way you can't just by a premiership, it takes hard work and discipline, both of which the players are sadly lacking.
Madge showed at Souths with the right environment you thrive but then at the Tigers nat. In hindsight flogging the players didnt have any effect as he hadnt connected with the group properly. He walked in expecting the respect immediately. The biggest mistake you can make as a coach is going flatout then looking behind you and noone is there. Connection is key when you're down the bottom... you need to be engaging these guys and interested in them. Thats where the Barretts.. Mcguires coaching career went south - they didnt have the mindset of starting from zero. As in they're the dumbest person in the building (even the worst player has more information than you do before you start). If you really understand the winning culture you'll understand that you're job is to take pressure off players. Has Ciraldo in one interview said its fault? Does he have a big enough persona to take the hits for the players? If the theme in pressers are the players arent good enough.. hey guess what, they're going to start not caring about your club. Gus telling everyone hes a top coach before he started, now Ciraldo would find this a bit humiliating that things are clicking and thats where it gets very challenging. Barrett found it too much.. Griffin.. even Ivan Cleary. Perhaps not being there on game day is his way of not putting pressure on Ciraldo but that already says something about the relationship.
Gould needs to be put on notice, your our head of football or a channel nine commentator. If you want to commentate then no job for you at the bulldogs. He just wants the income from 2nd job but Bulldogs deserve to have his full attention.
@@clevelandwilliams5922I couldn't have said it any better.
I believe the problem is Gus. Whenever you see somebody high up at the club continually in the media - like the Tigers CEO - to me that causes problems
Gus seems to have an opinion about everything else in the game except when it’s anything to do with the Dogs 👀
Addo Carr should have stayed with the Storm.
4 blokes sitting around a table that dont know whats going on at the bulldogs, talking about whats going on at the bulldogs..
I dislike the bulldogs when they are good but they have been decimated all year with injuries.
All the money being thrown at these ‘superstars’ that in my eyes are just mercenaries with no accountability. All the behind the scenes politics aside, on a match day their best players this year have all been the ones not on big contracts etc. If they point the finger and ditch Ciraldo, they’ll have the same issues next year without doubt as soon as a few results don’t go their way.
I have Not seen one player that is at best 10% of Josh Jackson.
Josh and Dean Pays old team were tough as nails.
And knew how to defend and tackle.
Current roster needs to toughen up buttercup
I think its the coaching thats the main issue
And Ciro puts Perham back at Fullback? he doesn't have the speed
Its been another tough season for the Dogs, next year it will turn around an
Nothing more jarring than watching a program where blokes talk over the top of each other. So annoying.
Doubt roster changes are going to fix anything anytime soon
Seems like a mentality thing. If some players don’t want to work hard and put in the hours to get out of the bottom then what’s the point in keeping them? It’s not like they have any player that’s winning the games
Need better Front rowers
Haven’t signed the right players? They signed a whole bunch of great players but ever since they went to the dogs they’ve done nothing
Yer they got some players.
Bulldogs have improved with Gus being involved. They have a culture and history. Let them grow so you can shut up
It's not just the 9 to 5 workforce that has to put up with useless gen z eh.
The Dogs of the 80s were great to watch this team don't know how to tackle and don't know how to play for each other. The supporters deserves better then this with the roster they have.
i felt like we should of got the spoon anyway the tigers and dragons show heart but not the dogs just pathetic
Kikau needs to go. His missed tackle count is unacceptable
Where's biondi Odo?
If addo-car put as much effort into his game as he does flapping his arms at the reff things might be different. With 105meter try the other week he probably could have caught him but Josh was to busy complaining to the ref instead of playing to the whistle
Give thanks to video ref
Crawley is a clown still goin after Antony Griffin 😂😂😂
Its the coach, not players.
Worst defence
Hahahaha ado Carr, what a pretender!
These players aren’t superstars ,, ,, that’s the problem
Anasta is becoming so whingy and hard to watch.
I keep saying and will continue to say pay them less cut all this 1mill contract stuff put em all on 500k and let em play for the pride of the club and the jersey , but pay someone millions over certain amount of years then why would you even need a work ethic or even try , training is to hard but spending that contract money is easy I bet
Get rid of Gus...he can never not be the alpha...impossible to coach under someone like that.
Alphas are leaders
I told bulldog supporters that we were happy they took reed he interferes with the attack always trying to be the boss he was kept in his place at the eels.
Bulldogs save money for talented players, not rusty Gus because he doesn't no about talent...
How did the Warriors have such a successful season?
because they have a coach that understands his players and finds options and advice to make them better
the bulldogs coach just say "you guys won a grand final in your old clubs, so do it in my club and hurry the @$#% up we only got 5 years" lol
Not full of flogs and just put their head down and play.
@@peter-josephlamusitele6296 Ciraldo kinda reminds me of Barret
They got the better assistant coach 😂
My Warriors have over achieved given our roster but if you ever get the chance to listen to Webster in person you will know why.
He is very much in the Bennett mold of being a man manager / players coach who like Slater with QL leaves no leave unturned in preparation etc.
There is only one player who has got worse under Webster (Vailea who is off to Cows).The rest including those in reserve grade are playing their best footie for years if not of their careers which is down to the head coach.
Only lazy, arrogant and entitled players complain about hard work especially when they are struggling. It’s on the group not the coach
Maybe they should stop getting rid of our star juniors over the last 10 years there's a football list of great juniors they have let go
Wow Kikau and Burton were good buys weren’t they. Throw in Ado Carr Mahoney. I’m Penrith and glad you took our leftovers. Hahahaha. Penrith still going strong. Guess Ciraldo ain’t that gooo. Maybe he had good players.
You cannot buy club culture you can only breed it. Scrap the cap because this is what you get. Those that left Penrith to go to the Dogs did it because of the cap. We see this all the time. It isn’t Penriths fault they raised so many good players. That is what the ARL want! Breed them in your own back yard, foster your local area, then what…you need to cull because you have done what we ask! How utterly stupid. If it creates dominance then fine. A message to the other clubs - Do better and adapt or die. Get better with juniors and talent.
Nsw cup team goes harder then the first grade
lazy dogs !!
When is Paul Kent coming back ? Gordon is too quiet.
he was sacrificed to the gods of wokeness
@@chichfm5108what ? Didn’t he have a domestic or something ?
@@fuckthis101 yes and in 2023 that is the same as committing mass genocide, especially when they're trying to promote the NRLW at every opportunity non-stop
Tallis doesn't speak as much as Kent, but he always says something on point. All Kent ever said was "look at me".
Bulldogs so god damn disappointing again
What superstars bunch of players from leading clubs chasing money.
The dogs have no soul and motivation even if Munster and Clearly are in the team I don’t think the Dogs will be anywhere near top 8 let’s be honest.
The club have deeper problems after Hasler left it’s all down to management and ownership.
Cute man 62
I dont blame the coach for taking a stand against players who arnt interested in turning atleast on time for training let alone winning games. Your getting paid be dollars, like everyother job you will get punished when you dont meet standards. Then theres the whinging mentality that this new generation is using to get out taking responsibility for their actions or blame someone else. As the saying goes cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. You in a wins driven industry and without wins, your fans are going to critise you ( reed mahaney) and they have every right to do so cause without us fans your out of a job simple as that. Its not always the coaches fault and before you say well ceraldo isnt a good coach .... yes i agree but if you as a player see on game day differently to how the coach is teaching you and play it how you see it. But obviously your not a good player to begin with
Gus Gould is OVERRATED!!
Couldnt agree more with the panel's opinion. Honourable mentions as well to Adam Elliott and Hetherington doing the Lord's work on the Knights this year.
But its not the whole team doing poorly. Wadell, King and Kiraz have been playing with heart. I hoped for more synergy between Burton + Addo Carr this year. We need to send Addo to the same rehab as Ponga and Papanhouzen to get him back to 100%, coz atm he looks constantly injured and playing at 85, with the ability to hit 100 only sporadically like he did in origin game 3. Preston and Sexton are white and blue to the core too 💙 🤍
Dean pay was heaps better with no stars
They are rubbish
If I are a footy player and want to ruin youre career
Join bulldogs or tigers
Dogs are a basketcase
And yes criticism is racist when it is made up or other races do the same thing and are not criticised its sly racism. They call it out All the time in America we are worse because if anyone calls it out there attacked. But people see it everone nos it race based commentary in the Australian media and people are sick of it the racist shift 😂😂😂😂😂.
Give one example of that happening.
@@Jp-do9ny hmm there are plenty look a Tedesco played bad all year not attacked turbo didn't play well not attacked I'll have examples I'm going out and don't have time but you make it easy the sly racism and lies in media it's so easy to point out.😂😂😂😂🤣 When I get back I'll show you examples it's been happening for years KKK
@@Jp-do9ny ok watch games a player of colour makes a mistake they go over and over it they don't do that to other platers. It happens all time to coloured boys look a luai he played well in first origin and Clearly played terrible but you attack luai 🤣🤣ok here we go Cleary missed tackle before Nicko Hynes in origin but Yous attack Nicko Hynes hmmmm high Hitler mate this is easy work easy money Little biy .Racism exist in the Australian Media which cases mental health problem genocide in media and social media is a silent killer. You make it so easy you people don't have a leg to stand on because everything is racially motivated in media.
@@kellyedwards9450 lol tedesco has been attacked more than any player in the comp.. they literally have like 5 segments on his form, what are you even talking about? he is one of the most hated players in the game even though he's not a massive grub like latrell. Turbo hasn't even played this year lmao. Also both of those guys are extremely hard working, even when down on form they put effort in. Latrell is getting criticism for being a grub and lazy, not because he's down on form lol. You literally proved my point, you literally had to use something which is completely not related to make up your victim stance haha. If anything non white players like sualii and Schuster get credit for doing literally nothing while white players have to build their reputation on the field
@@Jp-do9ny no Tedesco wasn't always attacked it was ow he is not in form but he is the Australian captain we must respect him but there no respect for latrell it open racist slatter. Bunnies lose it all latrell fault in media with there Commentary 🤣🤣🤣 yes ok then you are really blind KKK . Latrell not a Grub he is a good man do you no him personally do you. That is a race based comment right there high Hitler mate the racism is strong in you my son what about the rest of my comment or is there no comment 😂😂🤣💪
players are training too hard wtf
think he meant - they tanning too hard [ while workin on they dating profiles ]
Disgraceful.
Glad it’s going well for good old gus😂 on a side note this is very disheartening to here considering I support an English club and we’ve just signed 2 bulldogs players Franklin Pele and Jayden okunbor
We can Okunbor “knock-onbor”. Enjoy that!
@@TheEggOfTheKing take it he’s not very good😂 ngl I watch nrl but don’t really watch the bulldogs for obvious reasons
Weird signings man, Okunbor started as a winger then is now in the back row and is slower than ever, Pele is 125kgs and gets tired after 10 minutes