why Stanford REJECTED me | a "star" student
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2022
- why Stanford REJECTED me | a "star" student
This video is a reflection of all the things I did during the college application process and in my own college application that I believe impacted my rejection from Stanford. While I obviously have no true knowledge of why I was rejected, I believe avoiding these mistakes could increase the chances of admission for anyone applying now. I wanted to share in case it might help anyone applying now. Also, definitely check out wAmy's video if you haven't already!
Also don't worry, I'm super at peace and incredibly happy with where I ended up going! This video was meant as a reflection to help other people applying and serve as a "what not to do" video of all my "mistakes" looking back - where I could have done better, and what I would tell someone to avoid if they came and asked for my advice, using my experience applying to Stanford as a specific example.
I’ve also received many comments saying that I would definitely have gotten in if I was a different race, or that colleges “only want a certain race these days,” and wanted to say a few things. I specifically never mentioned race in my video as I viewed this video as a “what not to do” video, and if I were to go back and redo this process, being Asian is not something I can or would ever want to control, change, or “not do.” I also firmly believe in the importance and absolute necessity of policies like affirmative action, and believe it to be separate from things like the effects of stereotyping and biases on Asians in education, ex. Harvard’s “personality scores.” As such, I find comments along the lines of “colleges only want a certain race these days”, and “you were the wrong race” to be offensive, unproductive, lacking in nuance, and targeting the wrong issues.
On a significantly less important note, relating to this video's title, I also want to make it clear that I never in my life have considered myself a "star," and in high school and while applying to college, was honestly depressed at times to the point I sincerely believed I had very very little worth, both as a student and a person. I hope it is obvious that I do not refer to myself or think of myself as a "star," and that I just meant it, somewhat sarcastically, as a generic description of having hit some benchmarks typically associated with high academic achievement in high school.
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I didn't go too much into my high school extracurriculars and leadership experiences but I talk about everything here:
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Stanford, and schools like it, deny more than 19 in 20 of their applicants. If you don't get into Stanford, and you are a perfectly qualified applicant (like Joy was), it is WAY more a reflection of the ridiculous level of selectivity of these schools than it is of your qualifications and "mistakes." The reason you were rejected, Joy, is quite simple.
They have a 4% acceptance rate.
I think she got rejected off the basis that they more than likely knew she was going to apply to a billion top schools and odds was, they could potentially get rejected if they made an offer.
Funny how schools can reject you if your stats are “too perfect”, especially if they have a feeling that they are a fallback school or second option.
Lol.
@@Joshua-cs6gj Interesting point, but I'd disagree. The strategy you are referring to is called "yield protection"- when schools deny applicants that they would typically accept because they believe the students will choose another college over them. This is usually done by schools that are well-respected, but not usually on the very top of a student's priority/ranking list. Tufts, University of Michigan, and Northeastern are frequently referenced examples. This strategy is often intended to increase the school's selectivity (if they know their accepted students will go to their school, they do not have to provide as many extra spots) and thus boost their rankings.
Stanford, a school that often competes with Harvard, Yale, and the like for the most prestigious and selective school in the country (even the entire world), does not need to worry about that. The signficiant majority of students (80%, in fact) who get into Stanford end up attending. In all likelihood, Joy just didn't blow the Stanford admissions officers socks off like the 4% who got in somehow did. That's usually what it takes to get into a school like Stanford--- you've got to completely blow their socks off!
Nope.
It's just that she's Asian, not B or "native american"
@@qud3913 That is a flawed explanation--- incomplete at best. Yes, universities consider race as a factor, since underrepresented minorities have historically been (and continue to be) disadvantaged within the United States' education system (that is a whole other discussion that, while very important, would cause us to stray from the conversation at hand).
Consider this. Asian-Americans take up around 7% of the U.S. population, but consist of more than a quarter (~26%) of Stanford's current student body. Meanwhile, Black citizens take up around 14% of the U.S. population, but only consist of 7% of Stanford's student body. Native Americans consist of around 2% of the population, but make up less than .3% (not even one-third of a percent) of Stanford's student body. I'm sure you will have similar findings with peer instutions.
Even if we overlooked all this, Stanford is an outlandishly selective instution. Gaining admission is a heroic feat, regardless of the race of the applicant. Affirmative action, in and of itself, does not come remotely close to guarantee admission for any applicant---especially a school like Stanford---no matter their qualifications.
@@isaiahdoble4182
I mean, you just explained with facts & statistics what I said was spot on for the most part.
It's the simpler & more obvious reason. The reason written on the wall.
Honestly,my son rejected from Stanford in 2018.He graduated from MIT 6 months ago in Mathematics and Computer Science (applied early action and 100 % scholarship) and now pursuing master degree in Computer Science.( 100% Scholarship from Gates Millennium Foundation).Good luck for future applicants. God Bless!
Congratulations to your son! Just goes to show it’s what you make of the school, not just what they make of you!
Thanks! You are absolutely correct!
My son also admitted to Harvard,Caltech and Princeton.
MIT > Stanford
I think my child has a chance to get into Stanford. At age 11, he got a score of 740/800 SAT math 1420/1600 overall for Duke tip and 35/36 ACT math for Johns Hopkins CTY.
9th grade, took calculus and Quantum physics, finished a few top 10 high school Olympiads, took 4 CS/Calculus colleges courses with all As,
10th grade, top 8 finishes at the IPPF debate at NYU, finished 253 out of 6000 in the collegiate Cybersecurity competition, top 10 in team competition, took another 4 CS/math college courses with all As, AP calculus B exam with a score of 5, AP Physics exams both mechanical and electrical with 5s.
11th grade, another 4 college courses CS 479 AI/pattern, upper college division classes, won the Kenyan Leadership trip to DC, IPPF , Cybersecurity in the spring, will take AP exams in CS, Statistics, and Economics.
12th grade - TBD
Thank you for making a video like this! Sometimes it’s way more discouraging to only hear the success stories because it feels like you’re the only one who “failed” when you don’t make the cut. I feel like people forget that schools with really small acceptance rates admit people nearly arbitrarily and you can be a perfectly qualified student and still not be accepted. It takes a lot of strength and self-awareness to break through the mindset that a lot of high-achieving students (like myself) have and recognize where you could’ve improved. I appreciate this vid and also hope that you got into a school that you’re finding much more success and happiness at!
In reality you probably tried to hard to get into Stanford by overstating your achievements in every area possible. Your application was literally incredible and Stanford cannot afford to sort through such applications that demand so much more attention than the average application.
you do realize that her application is an "average" application for Stanford, right?
this is so confusing tbh. like what? theyre too lazy to read the ones that have more effort put in? That makes no logical sense at fcking all lmao
Joy, if it's any consolation, your life journey is long so regardless of what school you go to, it'll be only a small portion of your life and in some ways not as important as you think. I went to University of Maryland but in the course of my career ended up working at the State Department with people all around me from ivy league schools. Good luck with your academic pursuits and enjoy the journey!
would be interested in hearing your thoughts on how you came to terms with the rejection in view of your going to Vandy. I got into a fine school but it was nowhere near my top choice and I've never really gotten over it. It undermines my academics even now, I think. I'll never get the validation I needed to get.
Keep your head up sister, everything happens for a reason and a real great student can shine everywhere. Like we learned in Ratatouille, not everyone can become a great artist. But a great artists can come from anywhere 🙏. Bless you 🙏 and so wish you the best luck wherever you go.
I really appreciate you taking responsibility.
I like how realistic you are in this video! There really is no one thing that we can pinpoint in the admissions process as applicants, so it really does come down to luck.
They needed to fill the quota for diverse students..
They don't want more Asians.
make more vanderbilt content!!! I'm attending in the fall and I want to know more about the school :)
@Thread WTF
Stanford thinks they don’t need Joy but it is Joy who doesn’t need Stanford 💪 You’re already one of the most competent people out there
Reality:
Stanford would rather give another person an opportunity than someone who probably applied to 40 different schools in one application cycle.
if she doesn't need Stanford , why apply?
I'm so curious what your mother's idea was for the short essay answer if you don't mind sharing :)
To be honest, would've been better to see you getting accepted , you were most deserving.
I mean your videos have helped me so much as a senior in their final year and your advice is so practical.
Just wanted to say thank you for the videos you make , they're awesome and practical.
Just know you an amazing person for sharing this with us
Hi!,can I Apply for an early action and a regular action at the same year?thanks in advance
I'm a recruiter at a top Fortune 500 company. The reality: like top universities, we get thousands of highly qualified applicants for only ONE position. Top universities, like Fortune 500 companies, have to turn down many qualified applicants simply because they have no space for all of them. You're a very smart young lady. Keep your head up. You're going to go far in life.
I wonder if your electives and coursework reflected the competitiveness of an EECS major, don’t know if did some math competition AIME/USAMO, CS competitions. Just based on your initial stats in your video, it seems you might have had a better chance as a liberal arts major.
Stanford lost an amazing human being and an intelligent student. It is their loss. Stanford's director must fire their admission staff.
Hey Joy, how are you doing ? I am a stanford applicant majoring in AE. What is your major in Vanderbuilt university and which state are you from?
I am from ny in class of 2023
What is the Demand for applying to Master's degree in Stanford?
Is it good and necessary to upload portfolio?
Don't worry you deserve something too better.
you're incredibly self aware wow, but this is scaring me lol...
I feel this. I had a similar experience applying to schools like Berekely and UCLA even though I had a 3.8 GPA and weighted 4.3 GPA
Did you get into either of them?
@@user-ld6is4ni3d Nope! I went to CSULB though! Graduated from there
Omg CONGRATULATIONS 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I am still 4-6 years to applying to college this really helped thank you so much
Legacy status and grandfathered in is still a big issue imo from all the friends I know who had family get into Stanford. I wish you the best of luck ❤️ in your future choices.
My stats were pretty similar and I got denied too, but I transfered into georgia tech so idk 🤷♂️
Feels like my son will be rejected at Stanford and MIT and end up at Carnegie Mellon or Georgia tech. He will finish 12 college Math/CS courses when he finishes 11th grade in 6 months. Currently taking CS 479 AI/pattern at university as an 11th grader. He is a calculus tutor in college and is a researcher assistant for a college CS PHD program.
He finished 253 out of 6,000 competitors in collegiate cybersecurity competition. 10th grade he got all 5s on AP calculus, AP physics mechanic and electricity. Top 8 finishes at the IPPF debate at NYU
He is 4.0 gpa, by the end of his high school, he will finish about 16 colleges with all As. He will be taking the SAT/ACT in the 2nd half of 2023.
Do your stats similar or better than my child!?? I know there are a lot of kids who are gifted.
My son was denied at Stanford. Went to Georgia Tech (for free). He will be graduating soon and is going to accept an offer from Stanford for his PhD (for free).
Can you confirm what you did for the arts portfolio?
Good advice 👍
Sorry you got rejected...My sister (also Asian 🙂) got accepted to Stanford plus just as yourself , her dream school ... Her stats & numbers were similar ... We think it was actually due to a few huge factors hardly anyone ever mentions is the reason why she was accepted
Sorry I didn't mention what they were on previous comment ...The factors that got her in were: Besides the obvious perquisites ...My parents hired a PHD Stanford Alumni(very expensive!!) to coach and mentor her once a week, she was accepted to Stanford's HS Summer program , kept a daily journal online, mastered a musical instrument(NOT Piano or Violin) , and founded her own charity organization in the area of her study and ran it and scaled it up successfully for 3 years straight during HS
How did her parents find a Ph.D. Stanford Alumni, how did they contact him?
Does anyone know what the percentage of a 3.98 GPA would be?
U are so cute)
Thanks for the advises I definitely sure it will help me a lot
No-kiss vוֹrgוֹn.
I applied to two graduate programs for Political Science: Brown and Stanford. I got both of them and graduated from Stanford. Talk about poor planning. I got lucky.
"burning pit of fiery shit" LMAO
My daughter visited Stanford years ago and could not stand the vibe of campus. Loved UC Berkeley, UCLA, Washington, and other schools. Came down to UC Berkeley and Washington. She chose Washington.
One of my friends goes to UCLA and my other friend goes to Stanford. My UCLA friend says the culture their is great and very friendly. My Stanford friend says it's extremely competitive and NOBODY helps each other.
Are you graduated from high school?
C'MON! We ALL know EXACTLY why you were "rejected"...and so do you.
I think you're an angel. My brother is a Professor of Medicine at Vanderbilt;
that's why I'm so upset for you.
?
what
Why’d she get rejected
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING 💯💯💯🗣🗣🗣🗣
Indeed. LOL at the people pretending they don't know EXACTLY what special brand of leftist racism caused this deserving candidate to be rejected. I'm a liberal Democrat but there really is only one explanation for this nonsense.
Here is me starting my application on the day it’s due
Well if it makes you happier, I thought at least one Stanford grad student say don’t go to Stanford for your undergraduate degree. Instead go to a small liberal arts college. The problem with big-name schools is you don’t get the professor with the Teaching assistant.
I wonder if a 1600 SAT would have gotten you in...
Where are you going now?
You didn’t share your financial situation. Schools are not blind to how much money your family could pay. In fact, some kids get admitted without even applying due to their family wealth.
It really is a crap shoot. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason why colleges reject students with off the chart stats, and accepts others with lower scores.
Joy 🤩 I could never reject you. You are the best. Also you can always go to Stanford or Harvard after Vanderbilt.
I wouldn't have done that to you. You're amazing ❤❤❤
~ Isaiah Kurtis Pilkington
☝️🇺🇲
Waiting to be rejected too, haha!
A star student is crazy
I’m also a star student that got rejected by Stanford my teacher gave a me a star sticker for not talking during silent reading in 1st grade
I also got rejected from Staford but i am so passionate about theoretical physics but still they rejected me . One day they will all thing ,, why we rejected you Anuj 😢😢😢😢😢 .... hi wait wait ,I'm gonna apply another schools i wanna so u my common app essay , if u want,
Hey could you help revise my college application essay you seem smart
Hi joy
Sorry you didn't get into your first choice, but it's their loss, not yours.
lmao it's alright. you don't have to think about it anymore.
Probably a big shock to get negged by Stanford when you're stacked like Joy. I don't know if this is the way admissions works, but if you're going to apply as 'the perfect' student, every little miscalculation will factor in negatively, because you're claiming to be what Stanford wants, a perfect student, and so and so did the application better. I remember being very strong in humanities and non-existent in math and science, when I transferred to Harvard. I didn't like Dartmouth. And. It turned out I didn't like Harvard, either. But. I WAS different. That was probably what helped me. Didn't need jokes or an 'insight' to BE different. You know? I didn't like elite school faculty or students, from a very early age, when I was a cashier at a Dartmouth Med School cafeteria. So. I knew a few things about elite schools from reading the student newspaper, that helped me decide to avoid people socially in the upper middle class, like that the STD percentages at elite schools were very high. And. Situation was kinda bad, because I wanted a solid place to learn, but disliked elite school people. And yet. I did well traveling, meeting people, frequenting businesses and getting to know staff, and even doing recreational drugs in the inner city. If you're a Chinese girl and you want to show how quirky you are with a 4.0 and 1600 SATs, you're going to make a fool of yourself.
Interesting
Not very "明星"， all your measurements are LOWER than my son, BUT he still didn't get into S
Hi Joy ,
I am Alex Wu. I recently got graduated from the Auburn University with Engineering Degree. I think that US has 2,832 colleges , and Auburn University is ranked as top 100 school in us out of 2,832 colleges. I think Auburn University is good college . I am going to get the professional engineering job and professional engineering license as mechanical engineer . I feel like to myself that I am a good person. How do you feel about my status?
U that desperate?
@@duckling4393 I am not sure what you are asking about??. Yeah maybe??
Isn't the only way to figure out the real answer is to look at the Stanford Admission process? Like how exactly they choose candidates. Without that, this video is just speculation.
I doubt you'll be happy with the real answer though... the decision probably boiled down to a 2 minute conversation and vote by some random people. For the younger folks before say your last year in high school, I suggest deeply thinking about why exactly you want to go to University. Most people go simply because everyone else is or they don't have direction or it's like an insurance policy.
Star ?
Joy, when I was applying to college the people who were well prepared were already interviewing in the summer. You hadn't even applied. They take a better look at a person if you are early. You put yourself in a position to compete at the last minute with a bunch of highly qualified people who were also somewhat late. You made life tougher on yourself.
I don't know what year you were applying to college but that's not the case anymore. Colleges don't look at applications as they come in. They only look at them after the deadline, and there's never interviews happening the summer of your senior year. Also, interviews are not weighed heavily in Stanford's admission process.
@@emmabookworm4971 Things may have changed. It has been a long time since then. However, Stanford used to not even be willing to consider people who did not come for interviews. I went to an elite New England prep school. There were people who got in everywhere else they applied easily. Anyone who did not go for an interview at Stanford did not get in. All you had to do was ask for an interview, especially if you were among the best of the best. It was a long 3000 miles to go though.
The harsh truth is that there's thousands of applications like you who apply to t10 schools. You are the top 0.1%, unfortunately so is everyone else who's on the bubble.
The other harsh truth is that affirmative action means that people who look like you and me are going to be hurt. Some people may try to rationalize that, but it's the truth no matter how you describe it.
Lol this video reminds me of what happens inside my brain if I get rejected from somewhere. The reasons you got rejected may have had absolutely nothing to do with any of the so-called "flaws" you identified in your application. Unless you actually spoke with the admissions committee and they told you these were the reasons you were rejected, I don't think you really need to be making this sort of video as advice for what not to do. Maybe the adcom actually liked those things that you list in your self-critique! The reality is that these big-name colleges inevitably have to reject a lot of stellar students for random or "other" reasons. Legacies get priority, or someone whose parent gave a big donation, someone who plays some sport that they need players for, for instance. And these students may not be nearly as stellar students as you, and not had much introspection in their essays. Also, as much as you may have dreamed of going to a certain university, it may also be that there is a certain "culture" on campus (that you may not even realize) that perhaps the adcom didn't think would be a good fit for you, not because there's anything wrong with your application or you, just personalities are personalities and it's important to be in a milieu where you fit in well, for your own happiness. But guys, please stop making videos like this as advice about why you didn't get in somewhere. What I saw in this video was merely brainstorming and self-critique of "where I could have gone wrong" and "how I could have made my application more perfect" from a fellow perfectionist like myself, and not necessarily truly the reasons you didn't get into Stanford.
Good
Yall in the comments are so mad even though you all still get into good schools and those schools are still primarily white or asian. Sorry that the brown skinned person was more interesting than you, lmao. (not directed at op)
early vs regular makes no difference to stanford
am curious, what's your reasoning behind this?
@@hahaoml2812 admissions officers admitted this during my visit
@@karenwang8663 I see, thank you. in other words it's a myth that acceptance rates are higher for rea applicants?
@@hahaoml2812 it’s actually harder to get in REA at times because the pool is usually a lot stronger (ie. students who have prepared since summer/earlier or who have focused more on the school).
Shes over here posting up stats like shes trying to get drafted by a sports team lmao
'Star'? Conceited much? Already know what 'type' you will be or already are.
So what? Don't even trip on it.
loll i got accepted. i’m not even a star student🤣
I think we know why she was rejected. Change her race and she would have been an automatic admission.
isnt she the perfect cosplay for Kaguya-sama?
KUZE!!!
No
Did you go go community college? Lol
Second :)
Seems to me that you could have gotten in if you had talked the Admissions Committee to death. You sure do talk a lot. A LOT.
You didn’t stand out
Being a Star student or 100% is not required to be a successful personality bruhhh JUSTIN BEIBER KYILE JENER , BTS don't have these but look where they are now
Fuck grades , scores STANFORD degree it can't make you happy & successful until you are satisfied by yourself
a “star student” is crazy 😂
Ah hell nah💀💀
nah you rejected stanford
Maybe you cared too much about what other people wanted, and they felt you were trying too hard to please, instead of coming from within your geniune inner self. But enough of the psycho babble, it’s all about the odds, which were low.
Probably bc it was Vapid
*Q.* Why?
*A.* Diversity -- _i.e.,_ the destruction of Edom ✊🏾
You should go to
SAN JOSE STATE UNIVERSITY!
Don’t blame yourself for not getting into a racist school. You just happen to be the wrong minority in their perspective.
Bro thinks she’s the main character
Haha, the comments blaming diversity as the cause. The reality is that within a 10-mile radius, you literally have hundreds of other star students at Gunn, Paly (Palo Alto), Los Altos HS, etc.
No. They're blaming the systematic turning of the U. S. into Liberia.
It's called reverse discrimination.
You definitely did not watch the video
@Jennyxchan I don't think you understand how affirmative action works.
LOL !
It has nothing to do with you as a person, they only can let in so many Asians, and your last name is too far down the alphabet
Skill issue 😂😂😂😂
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“Star”
The waffle house has found its new host
You needed to get a tan before applying.
Racism.
I also rejected you. Sorry.
Instagram pls