It doesn't matter who owned the club when it happened, the fact is Chelsea have profit from fraud. They have won things, built revenue & gained sponsors off the back of this and to suggest they get away with that is massively unfair. If 1 club gets away with a fine, then how can other clubs get deductions? How can City be given anything other than a fine?
Chelsea should be stripped of anything they won during the relevant times covered, that would mean that the present owners and fans now wouldn’t be punished but the historical ones. When steroid cheats are found in athletics they are stripped and financial doping should be the same.
Dear Simon, I do not know if you have been drinking bleach, been struck on the head by a heavy object, or are simply in denial. Or possibly have amnesia. I don't understand how you can categorically say that Chelsea has come forward with this information out of pure integrity.Could you please tell me when Manchester City's first charges were highlighted, and at what year the charges start from? Taking that into consideration, and knowing that the Premier League are probably going to be looking into more and more clubs' past history with regards to fair play, business dealings, etc., etc., wouldn't it be more prudent as a business owner to do exactly as you said, and expose the situation so as to come across as being honest to get a lesser penalty? Knowing the situation that City are currently in and the possibility of the charges being laid against them, being upheld, and the following proceedings that ensue?
Didn’t Everton loose their russian sponsor because off uk sanction? Just like Chelsea had to sell the club because off uk sanction. Everton loost income, that got them in the breach of ffp… or do I remember wrong?
They didn’t. Nobody would have known, as Jordan says. The accounts are scrutinised every year by the PL and UEFA and none of them spotted any irregularities at the time.
Once the premier league decided to dock teams points, when they have these situations, like Chelsea, the question will always be asked, "why are they not being docked points as well?". Chelsea made these payments off the books so that they didn't breach the FFP, so they should be treated as though they did breach the FFP
In that case. Why should Newcastles new ownership suffer from Mike Ashley's poor decision of not growing the revenue and not be able to use their own cash to buy players?
Surely then it makes sense to dock them points (for the violation by the club) and not fine the club (which is in effect a fine on the new owners?). Dock them 10 points, mitigating factors, reduce to 6.
So when new owners come in all staff are replaced. The club badge changed . Laws were broken unfortunately it’s the badge that gets the punishment not owners.
Like you wouldn’t deflect, get off your high horse. Im a Chelsea fan and I can’t defend this, fair play to the new owners for not hiding it unlike other clubs.
Can you believe this Chelsea were sanctioned because Boris Johnson !! Said so 😂 that pinnacle of integrity and truth 😂 the man who appointed a KGB officers son to the Lords the man who use to play tennis with Oligarchs wives for £100,000 a time you couldn’t make it up 😂
These money people have muddied the waters so much. Imo chelsea are absolutely cooking the books somehow, and i wasnt even factoring in this whatever it is. Im talking about everyone and their grannies are penny pinching left and right to stay with the rules and Chelsea running around without even a sponsor on their shirts spending nigh on a billion and weirdly selling their own assets to themselves and the like and no one bats an eye, like wasnt there something about flogging their own womens team to themselves for 200m ? Lmao, sounds to me like this has had to come out. If they could have buried it and it never come out they absolutely would have chosen that option imo. It just how these money people do things.
At the end of the day, you can't punish the new ownership if they've been set up to fail by sanctions. Stealing billions from Roman is punishment enough, is it not?
I kind of see if as people who go on trial and please guilty vs not guilty. Always get a lighter sentence if pleaded guilty. Chelsea could have said nothing then if found out later they were guilty the punishment would be worse. Things like this happen in all walks of life.
If they had tried to hide it sure. But they can’t be held accountable for actions that took place when they were nowhere near the club. What they are is being responsible for reporting something fishy and they fulfilled that.
@@811chelseafcThe club (legal entity which is Chelsea), broke the rules. Change of ownership and reporting is an argument against a harsher punishment, it doesn’t absolve the football club of all offences committed before the takeover.
And what type of benefits or compensation should Chelsea ask from this corrupt British government who chased the owner out of the country because he is Russian? These bs politics are a disgrace and no fans should or would deserve some muppets in Downing Street to put them at such disadvantage because they're xenophobic! The British government couldn't wait for the smallest reason to pick on a Russian...they were waiting and hoping all these years!
I can understand the argument of not punishing a new owner for decisions made by previous ownership. But that doesn't mean a fine is sufficient. That is just a starting point. There should be a points reduction applied to all impacted seasons and if that means titles move hands so be it. Same with cup competitions, if a club is stripped of them so be it. Points deductions and fines in a current season are annoying but mostly meaningless. Take away previous successes and then there is a real threat to get things right.
Full details of this have to be made public. If these off book dealings kept Chelsea under PSR threshold then MUST have points sanction determined by independent commission. Otherwise cartel protection allegations are proved to be true.
Wow, Simon has changed his tune. It was not that long ago he was saying "Everton Football Club have been found GUILTY, GUILTY and they should be punished for breaking the rules. Do i think its harsh? Yes but those are the rules, everyone else had to play by the rules". Not saying he is biased but sometimes he doesnt stand by what he says. So what if its different people, Dyche didn't spend all that money but he sure was left to clean up the mess after the punishments where handed down.
Forest and Everton to get 10 pt deductions in order to teach Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd a lesson!!! Weird with Everton, they broke the rules and as Simon said the rules are the rules. Chelsea break rules even now, with dodgy hotels etc. ahh that’s clever. 🤦♂️ Consistency is Simon strength
Geniune question, what exactly was forest and everton charged with, and what's the charges Chelsea up against? I may be wrong but didnt Forest and Everton get charged for over spending, and chelsea are being investigated for filling false reports? If the "crimes" are different the penalty shouldn't even be compared. Its like comparing shoplifting with B+E. You can't say that the guy that broke into that ladies house got 10 years so those kids that stole wine gums should also get 10 years or vice versa.
Chelsea were able to write off over a billion quid of losses, which they have then spent on a players over the past few years. That is grossly unfair, and they are still shyte.
Buyer remorse. If Chelsea didn’t do due diligence and didn’t know that’s their look out. If they did DD and flagged it they knew risk then it’s assumed it’s reflected in price paid and risk is theirs.
Simon makes no sense. Forget what team it is just deal with it on merit. If other clubs lose 5 points then it should be points. Even if you give four points for being open and honest so one point deduction. The difference is the consequences. A team at the bottom losing 5 points is very different to a team at the top losing one.
How can you give a financial punishment to discipline financial irregularities? The financial irregularities helped doped their sporting abilities. The only proper recourse should be a sporting sanction... first of all take away all silverware won under the previous ownership who cheated the system. And secondly a points deduction this season to reprimand the club in the here and now.
Keep looking through Abromovic by the time you check the current ownership of what they are doing now the club will have changed hands. Leave my club alone. Go investigate arsenal. There's a lot of rubbish there.
There were no financial rules when Roman bought the club and Chelsea won the league not because of money but they had good players who played as a team and a very cocky manager. The other teams only got upset because he spend his money on the club and he was a football fan and he did not mind losing money it was his passion. They changed the rules to stop financial over spending and they all had to adhere to it, its is very banal to think that the other teams were squeaky clean, they were all doing dodgy deals.
@@dennisstaines8005 Great fan fiction. Even though there were no current rules, there were still some rules in place. That's why secret payments to agents, their CEO. Other clubs in Europe. Read Guardian about this. These are things we know about. No doubt in my mind Russian money reached the right people in other ways, too.
No no no, please talksport stop with the random pictures and clips as people speak, makes video look like a cheap one from a million different creators and "experts" out there
I think there are 2 scenarios here: If Chelsea used off book payments to fund transfer fees & that resulted in other clubs not getting players, then I think a points deduction + fine is fair. It’s impacted other clubs negatively and potentially made them loose out on revenue. If they used off book payments to pay higher wages, then I think it’s a fine. Plenty of ways you can justify that sort of thing, lots of business use other companies to make payments. Would be an absolute nightmare for the PL to argue. It isn’t a million miles away from the accounting tricks with the hotel & womens team under current owners.
Does Jordon want Chelsea relegated ,oh ,no they are big six ,lets get Leicester relegated instead . The bloke is a joke .He always wants the Foxes relegated ,he should just own up he is biased .
Interesting that Willian had his medical at Tottenham then Chelsea came in last minute and he changed (or his team) his mind and went to Chelsea. Not saying that if Willian had signed for Tottenham would have made all the difference - but it might have. Just because the ownership has changed - the club still exists and should be punished accordingly. 3 points and a large fine and move on.
Arsenal fan Starmer stood up in Parliament and demanded the government sanction Abramovich, until then nothing was done because Zelensky supported Roman, who is half Ukrainian.
Stop waffling Jordan. Any club that breaches financial fair play should be stripped of titles, heavily fined and points deducted. If a club has cheated for 1 year, deduct points for 1 year. 2 years then deduct points for 2 seasons and so on. Doesn't matter who was in charge. It's the club that needs punishing or the game is finished
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Chelsea verdict just in, 4 point deduction and no more penalties for the rest of the season for Everton.
It doesn't matter who owned the club when it happened, the fact is Chelsea have profit from fraud. They have won things, built revenue & gained sponsors off the back of this and to suggest they get away with that is massively unfair. If 1 club gets away with a fine, then how can other clubs get deductions? How can City be given anything other than a fine?
Of course it does at least we dealing with it straight away unlike then oh and technically they didn't have tell the Premier league but did anyway
A Chelsea fan left you didn’t she?
City have the same owners you plum. They live rent free in your head 😂😂😂😂😂
You really wern't listening were you.
Nothings gonna happen to city. Saudi and Qatar and the uae are like 90 percent of the sponsorships worldwide they own football by default really.
All we want is a level playing field and this is not it.
Chelsea should be stripped of anything they won during the relevant times covered, that would mean that the present owners and fans now wouldn’t be punished but the historical ones. When steroid cheats are found in athletics they are stripped and financial doping should be the same.
Dear Simon, I do not know if you have been drinking bleach, been struck on the head by a heavy object, or are simply in denial. Or possibly have amnesia. I don't understand how you can categorically say that Chelsea has come forward with this information out of pure integrity.Could you please tell me when Manchester City's first charges were highlighted, and at what year the charges start from? Taking that into consideration, and knowing that the Premier League are probably going to be looking into more and more clubs' past history with regards to fair play, business dealings, etc., etc., wouldn't it be more prudent as a business owner to do exactly as you said, and expose the situation so as to come across as being honest to get a lesser penalty? Knowing the situation that City are currently in and the possibility of the charges being laid against them, being upheld, and the following proceedings that ensue?
You can see the people who came straight to the comments rather than listen to the context Simon provided.
Dolts.
Didn’t Everton loose their russian sponsor because off uk sanction? Just like Chelsea had to sell the club because off uk sanction.
Everton loost income, that got them in the breach of ffp… or do I remember wrong?
They had to disclose. Everyone and their dog looked at chelseas books when they were up for sale. Including the british government.
They didn’t. Nobody would have known, as Jordan says. The accounts are scrutinised every year by the PL and UEFA and none of them spotted any irregularities at the time.
Not true in the slightest. No one would've known about this had the new owners not brought it up
lol almost a handful of people looked at the book 😂
@robertlee6338 yes but didn't have to say anything
U do realise alot of transfer fees are undisclosed
Kick them out the league
Once the premier league decided to dock teams points, when they have these situations, like Chelsea, the question will always be asked, "why are they not being docked points as well?". Chelsea made these payments off the books so that they didn't breach the FFP, so they should be treated as though they did breach the FFP
It would have come out because of all the outside accountants
In that case. Why should Newcastles new ownership suffer from Mike Ashley's poor decision of not growing the revenue and not be able to use their own cash to buy players?
Surely then it makes sense to dock them points (for the violation by the club) and not fine the club (which is in effect a fine on the new owners?). Dock them 10 points, mitigating factors, reduce to 6.
So when new owners come in all staff are replaced. The club badge changed . Laws were broken unfortunately it’s the badge that gets the punishment not owners.
The business not the badge
@ it’s the same thing without the badge their is no business.
Man City is looking into transferring ownership to a holding company in order to avoid a points penalty, based on Simon's advice.
Just here to witness Chelsea fans try and deflect 🍿
In fairness, I'm certainly not a Chelsea fan but many football fans are like that. Moralising until it's their club being accused.
Like you wouldn’t deflect, get off your high horse.
Im a Chelsea fan and I can’t defend this, fair play to the new owners for not hiding it unlike other clubs.
Can you believe this Chelsea were sanctioned because Boris Johnson !! Said so 😂 that pinnacle of integrity and truth 😂 the man who appointed a KGB officers son to the Lords the man who use to play tennis with Oligarchs wives for £100,000 a time you couldn’t make it up 😂
These money people have muddied the waters so much. Imo chelsea are absolutely cooking the books somehow, and i wasnt even factoring in this whatever it is. Im talking about everyone and their grannies are penny pinching left and right to stay with the rules and Chelsea running around without even a sponsor on their shirts spending nigh on a billion and weirdly selling their own assets to themselves and the like and no one bats an eye, like wasnt there something about flogging their own womens team to themselves for 200m ? Lmao, sounds to me like this has had to come out. If they could have buried it and it never come out they absolutely would have chosen that option imo. It just how these money people do things.
of course this would have been found out this issue was about to break of this impropriety and the owners had no choice to reveal it
The truth of the matter is that Chelsea are one of the ‘septic six’ that Masters protects, so a harsh penalty is extremely unlikely.
And your the deluded septic one.
Forest & Everton also cooperated with the Premier League on the breaches of ffp 🤷♂️ they still got points deductions, so why arent chelsea?
At the end of the day, you can't punish the new ownership if they've been set up to fail by sanctions.
Stealing billions from Roman is punishment enough, is it not?
They love to steal.
Give back the trophies and wipe the record books. That's the only suitable punishment
@@hmq9052won’t happen as the premier league would be done, end of.
You can punish them, but you have to be more lenient due to them volunteering the information
@@hmq9052you so pathetic take back there trophies cry more that’s never happening ahhhh haha loser 😂 good day clown 🤡
We're in a title race though 😂
I kind of see if as people who go on trial and please guilty vs not guilty. Always get a lighter sentence if pleaded guilty. Chelsea could have said nothing then if found out later they were guilty the punishment would be worse. Things like this happen in all walks of life.
The ownership shouldn't matter. Chelsea has legal personality and anything done under Abramovich is legally on Clearlake.
If they had tried to hide it sure. But they can’t be held accountable for actions that took place when they were nowhere near the club. What they are is being responsible for reporting something fishy and they fulfilled that.
@@811chelseafcThe club (legal entity which is Chelsea), broke the rules. Change of ownership and reporting is an argument against a harsher punishment, it doesn’t absolve the football club of all offences committed before the takeover.
So if you buy a car, and when you get home, you find drugs stitched to the bottom of the seat should you go to jail for it?
The prem also went through Chelsea’s finances before the sale and said everything looked good they should have pulled it up not the new owners
And what type of benefits or compensation should Chelsea ask from this corrupt British government who chased the owner out of the country because he is Russian?
These bs politics are a disgrace and no fans should or would deserve some muppets in Downing Street to put them at such disadvantage because they're xenophobic!
The British government couldn't wait for the smallest reason to pick on a Russian...they were waiting and hoping all these years!
I can understand the argument of not punishing a new owner for decisions made by previous ownership. But that doesn't mean a fine is sufficient. That is just a starting point. There should be a points reduction applied to all impacted seasons and if that means titles move hands so be it. Same with cup competitions, if a club is stripped of them so be it.
Points deductions and fines in a current season are annoying but mostly meaningless. Take away previous successes and then there is a real threat to get things right.
Who shat in your cornflakes
And the titles will not go to your club unfortunately. You deserve a walk of shame 😅.
Full details of this have to be made public. If these off book dealings kept Chelsea under PSR threshold then MUST have points sanction determined by independent commission. Otherwise cartel protection allegations are proved to be true.
Wow, Simon has changed his tune.
It was not that long ago he was saying "Everton Football Club have been found GUILTY, GUILTY and they should be punished for breaking the rules. Do i think its harsh? Yes but those are the rules, everyone else had to play by the rules".
Not saying he is biased but sometimes he doesnt stand by what he says.
So what if its different people, Dyche didn't spend all that money but he sure was left to clean up the mess after the punishments where handed down.
Forest and Everton to get 10 pt deductions in order to teach Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd a lesson!!!
Weird with Everton, they broke the rules and as Simon said the rules are the rules.
Chelsea break rules even now, with dodgy hotels etc. ahh that’s clever. 🤦♂️ Consistency is Simon strength
Oops....sounds like Abramovic will get Chelsea back. Made to sell the team under duress, which might be illegal.
It's because of the 22 billion pounds black hole, well Starmer uses it as an excuse for all his shenanigans,so can Chelsea.
Amazing comparison. Well not really.
Still being held or stolen
It's like buying a house & finding a body in the back garden! 😂😂😂
All the top clubs in Europe are all at it
Geniune question, what exactly was forest and everton charged with, and what's the charges Chelsea up against?
I may be wrong but didnt Forest and Everton get charged for over spending, and chelsea are being investigated for filling false reports?
If the "crimes" are different the penalty shouldn't even be compared.
Its like comparing shoplifting with B+E.
You can't say that the guy that broke into that ladies house got 10 years so those kids that stole wine gums should also get 10 years or vice versa.
Chelsea were able to write off over a billion quid of losses, which they have then spent on a players over the past few years. That is grossly unfair, and they are still shyte.
Chelsea and Man City can now be the founders of a European Super League
but simple Simon won't say this as he loves CFC
Rather listen to Simon than that "financial expert" guy bum licking City all the time.
It's because Europe fined them for it so they expect the same punishment
Simon has been "sucking off "Bohely from day one don't take what he says seriously.
Buyer remorse. If Chelsea didn’t do due diligence and didn’t know that’s their look out. If they did DD and flagged it they knew risk then it’s assumed it’s reflected in price paid and risk is theirs.
Simon makes no sense. Forget what team it is just deal with it on merit. If other clubs lose 5 points then it should be points. Even if you give four points for being open and honest so one point deduction. The difference is the consequences. A team at the bottom losing 5 points is very different to a team at the top losing one.
The logic is mixed up. So if city just sell the club tomorrow they can escape punishment because they have new owners?
Most corrupt league in the world !!
The uk is the money laundering capital of the world. Football is just part of the washing up.
Don't talk wet.
@williamsmith9315 erm, uk is the money laundering capital of the world.
Chelsea openly put this to light ! What are you waffling about
And your the dumbest.
Reporting that you committed a crime doesn't absolve you of crimes
It does mitigate it which is what was said
The new owners didn’t commit any crimes.
@QuicknStraight yes but the club did and they inherited both the good snd the bad unfortunately
Actually it often does. They're called plea deals. If you willingly give up information, you can get reduced or no sentence.
@Sundance_kidd The Club doesn't do anything. It's not an independent organism
How can you give a financial punishment to discipline financial irregularities?
The financial irregularities helped doped their sporting abilities. The only proper recourse should be a sporting sanction... first of all take away all silverware won under the previous ownership who cheated the system. And secondly a points deduction this season to reprimand the club in the here and now.
You're just envious. It will not happen. Rest and snore 😮
@@johnboscotiberindwa9248 Envious of cheating? Don't think so.
Keep looking through Abromovic by the time you check the current ownership of what they are doing now the club will have changed hands. Leave my club alone. Go investigate arsenal. There's a lot of rubbish there.
of course he cheated at chelsea and the fans love him for it cause they would not care if the owner was a pdf-file if they won silverware.
There were no financial rules when Roman bought the club and Chelsea won the league not because of money but they had good players who played as a team and a very cocky manager. The other teams only got upset because he spend his money on the club and he was a football fan and he did not mind losing money it was his passion. They changed the rules to stop financial over spending and they all had to adhere to it, its is very banal to think that the other teams were squeaky clean, they were all doing dodgy deals.
@@dennisstaines8005 Great fan fiction. Even though there were no current rules, there were still some rules in place. That's why secret payments to agents, their CEO. Other clubs in Europe. Read Guardian about this. These are things we know about. No doubt in my mind Russian money reached the right people in other ways, too.
@@dennisstaines8005 "Not because of money" 🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆😆🤣🤣😆
@@dennisstaines8005”Chelsea won the league not because of money”. What planet are you on?
@@stdreadyet another infantile emoji using prat. Grow up
This is why white collar crime doesnt get prosecuted lets just pass the buck
Sir Lordship Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Simon Do you really need to refer to the owners as “the ownership model”?
Completely unnecessary language.
Jus british people avoiding to pay Abramovich
he wont pay you for the glaze.
No no no, please talksport stop with the random pictures and clips as people speak, makes video look like a cheap one from a million different creators and "experts" out there
Just PR. trying to make a break with the past.
Simon "i try to present a balanced argument" jordan. Might want to try harder buddy, its obvious which clubs you have an issue with
I think there are 2 scenarios here:
If Chelsea used off book payments to fund transfer fees & that resulted in other clubs not getting players, then I think a points deduction + fine is fair. It’s impacted other clubs negatively and potentially made them loose out on revenue.
If they used off book payments to pay higher wages, then I think it’s a fine. Plenty of ways you can justify that sort of thing, lots of business use other companies to make payments. Would be an absolute nightmare for the PL to argue. It isn’t a million miles away from the accounting tricks with the hotel & womens team under current owners.
Does Jordon want Chelsea relegated ,oh ,no they are big six ,lets get Leicester relegated instead . The bloke is a joke .He always wants the Foxes relegated ,he should just own up he is biased .
Ah yes I'm sure the current owners have never done anything dodgy before
These are make up stories for their cover up 😅🤷🏿♂️
Lmao not "allegedly" a putin sympathizer. He's Literally one of his oligarchs under his control 😂
Interesting that Willian had his medical at Tottenham then Chelsea came in last minute and he changed (or his team) his mind and went to Chelsea.
Not saying that if Willian had signed for Tottenham would have made all the difference - but it might have.
Just because the ownership has changed - the club still exists and should be punished accordingly.
3 points and a large fine and move on.
Oh yes the original cheat club
Arsenal fan Starmer stood up in Parliament and demanded the government sanction Abramovich, until then nothing was done because Zelensky supported Roman, who is half Ukrainian.
I think they shouldn’t be punished for this tbh. And I don’t think it’s cool Chelsea was force sold in the first place either. Roman was a good owner
Stop waffling Jordan. Any club that breaches financial fair play should be stripped of titles, heavily fined and points deducted. If a club has cheated for 1 year, deduct points for 1 year. 2 years then deduct points for 2 seasons and so on. Doesn't matter who was in charge. It's the club that needs punishing or the game is finished
Roman is a good honest man. This is a set up by jealous people.